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BB_ | Hola hombres | 01:05 |
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BB_ | zhxt_afk: hello | 01:06 |
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carepack | morning | 08:00 |
sledges | morning carepack | 08:03 |
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Nokius | morning | 08:15 |
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carepack | moin moin | 08:37 |
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bbxtr | Hola Hombres | 09:57 |
sledges | ahoy | 09:58 |
bbxtr | Sailfishin' on Nexus 5, anyone knows how to help with the poor battery perf? I am on Alpha 11. | 09:59 |
sledges | bbxtr: change cpu governor | 09:59 |
bbxtr | Also Nexus 5 being much better specs performs almost same speed as Jolla, is there some hidden bottleneck? | 10:00 |
bbxtr | Sledges: is there a package to install? | 10:00 |
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sledges | bbxtr: for i in `seq 0 3`; do echo interactive > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu$i/cpufreq/scaling_governor; done | 10:05 |
sledges | run on every boot | 10:05 |
bbxtr | sledges: does it work on Sailfish OS or only on Android/CM? | 10:06 |
sledges | bbxtr: you just asked about sailfish battery life | 10:06 |
bbxtr | sledges: yes on Sailfish Alpha 11 | 10:07 |
sledges | so i gave you an answer | 10:07 |
bbxtr | sledges: Thank You. | 10:08 |
sledges | also worth experimenting with other power saving options: https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/sailfish-os-for-oneplus-one.279537/page-50#post-10806266 | 10:08 |
bbxtr | Thank You, will give it a try. | 10:08 |
sledges | (it's for sailfish on oneplus one, but can be applied to nexus5 too) | 10:08 |
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bbxtr | sledges: Thank You again for pointing me to the solution. Amazing. | 10:22 |
sledges | bbxtr: can you already tell it helped? | 10:22 |
bbxtr | I will be able to tell after I have the Nexus 5 runfor some time, but the link contains some exciting infos | 10:23 |
bbxtr | sledges: is there a way to make it run at everyboot permanently? | 10:24 |
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sledges | bbxtr: create a set of files like this (rename where appropriate): https://github.com/mer-hybris/droid-hal-device/commit/9981f70933c6c3d61bbd15ddfeb612e5a69af369 | 10:27 |
sledges | and put everything into the .sh | 10:27 |
bbxtr | sledges: thank You .. i just wish I came here sooner without spending 3 days trying to find the hooks ... | 10:29 |
sledges | you're welcome | 10:30 |
sledges | im sure you learned about the system particulars nevertheless:) | 10:30 |
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sledges | if you notice improvement and no side-effects, please contribute those files back | 10:30 |
bbxtr | sledges: definitely. I was tempted to try the cm12.1 and the sailfish alpha11 but then went to cm11 to install it ... I wish I had more time to spend on it ... gotta make myself more time for the tinkering | 10:35 |
sledges | multirom supports any primary rom, and side-flashed cm11+sfos | 10:35 |
bbxtr | sledges: somehow itchy to be android free *8))) | 10:36 |
sledges | sure | 10:37 |
sledges | then what did you expect from cm12.1 as a bse? | 10:37 |
bbxtr | sledges: yeah i do prefer adb sideloading | 10:37 |
sledges | *base | 10:37 |
sledges | adb sideloading has nothing to do with what i said above:) | 10:37 |
bbxtr | If I had to use the Nexus 5 w Android I would prefer more granular sec settings | 10:38 |
sledges | what do you mean? | 10:38 |
bbxtr | CM 12.1 has the control afaik | 10:40 |
sledges | sailfish reuses only low levels of cm | 10:40 |
sledges | co on nexus5 cm11 base is as good as cm12 | 10:40 |
sledges | *so | 10:40 |
bbxtr | I heard with earlier Alphas there were BT/Wifi issues | 10:41 |
sledges | yes, but they are not due to underlying cm | 10:41 |
sledges | what works on booted cm, should be made work on sfos | 10:41 |
bbxtr | I thought that was the reason somehow | 10:41 |
sledges | only of cm itself introduces new hardware improvements in 12, then it's worth porting base over from 11 | 10:42 |
sledges | (i think in the past we had some modem firmware improvements in other devices, so it was worth the switch) | 10:43 |
bbxtr | certainly so. | 10:43 |
sledges | yet nexus6 leaves us no choice | 10:44 |
sledges | but make an effort to port hybris-12 branch | 10:44 |
sledges | and other new handsets | 10:44 |
bbxtr | sledges: has anoyne got a chance to check out the SFOS 2.0 already? I saw the SFOS 2.0 on You Tube and it seemed - at least the UI - was performing so much faster | 10:44 |
sledges | for me they are both fluid | 10:45 |
sledges | sfos1 and 2 | 10:45 |
sledges | but probably im biased :D | 10:45 |
bbxtr | wel I am still positive the big brother will release a new Nexus 5 | 10:47 |
bbxtr | held the N6, but it's just tooo big | 10:47 |
bbxtr | well there are "new" swipes and a new screen with all the relevant updates/infos ... sorta like originally intented with MeeGo | 10:48 |
bbxtr | if I may what's your view of the performance N5 v JollaPhone? | 10:49 |
sledges | bbxtr: app launch time and performance nearly twice as fast | 10:51 |
sledges | i haven't used browser extensively though | 10:51 |
bbxtr | sledges: my main concern it the browser ... \ | 10:52 |
sledges | it's opensource - welcome to run profiling and optimise:) | 10:52 |
bbxtr | It is indeed. Luckily for us | 10:53 |
bbxtr | I wonder how long will it take for me to be as comfortable in SFOS as I am in Maemo 5 | 10:54 |
bbxtr | Couldn't not bear to wait for the Neo900 materialising, so made the jump to N5. | 10:54 |
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Stskeeps | bbxtr: quite short | 10:55 |
bbxtr | Stskeeps: I'd wish that. | 10:57 |
Stskeeps | did you know sfos's chief designer was behind maemo 5 ui? | 10:57 |
bbxtr | I had no idea, but I am not surprised if it is so. | 10:58 |
bbxtr | Just played with the idea ... Apple bought back NeXT and shined, what if Nokia joined forces & resources with Jolla? would we finally have the long deserved and dreamed about open source HW and OS? | 11:01 |
bbxtr | sledges: so you did use the SFOS 2.0 already? | 11:02 |
Stskeeps | Nokia is a very different companys | 11:06 |
Stskeeps | today | 11:06 |
bbxtr | that's why it could work, the ms team's gone | 11:06 |
bbxtr | so are some of the old *arts | 11:08 |
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elfio | Hello porters! How difficult would be to make a port to a moto g / falcon without any experience in this matters? I'm a linux user for about 8 years but I've never touched thigs related to android and so. Also the moto g is my only device and I don't know if it would be too much risk try a port. | 11:18 |
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sledges | bbxtr: i used yes, at MWC | 11:32 |
sledges | elfio: read the guide and stick around, ask twice if unsure you'd brick anything :) | 11:32 |
sledges | vgrade and others had some falcon genesis already | 11:33 |
tathhu | <3 | 11:57 |
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bbxtr | sledges: enjoyed our talk, thanks | 12:15 |
sledges | bbxtr: anytime! | 12:16 |
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elfio | sledges: I gave a quick read a few days ago and it didn't look hard to do, but there is a drawback and it's that HADK ask for CM10 for the port but there is only CM11, CM12 and so on for falcon. It's is doable? | 12:25 |
sledges | elfio: sure, just subsitute hybris-10.1 with hybris-11.0 on repo init | 12:25 |
elfio | sledges: Oh and I would like to know how much time in terms of dedications needs a port and if I need a powerful pc :) | 12:25 |
sledges | elfio: requirements are also on pdf ;) 64bit as minimum:) | 12:26 |
sledges | ram-wise you can get by | 12:26 |
sledges | as only small subset of android is made | 12:26 |
elfio | wow | 12:27 |
elfio | my tiny ssd is running out of space | 12:27 |
elfio | I'd have to clean out | 12:28 |
elfio | sledges: what's this genesis from vgrade and others you talked before | 12:28 |
elfio | ? | 12:29 |
elfio | first steps? | 12:29 |
sledges | elfio: first steps won't differ from any other device | 12:35 |
sledges | so go bravely ahead | 12:35 |
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sledges | ^ 64bit cpu as minimum hw part required, i meant (not that we have 128bit cpus already :D) | 12:36 |
elfio | sledges: I have arch 64bits so that should work | 12:36 |
sledges | yup | 12:37 |
carepack | how big is your ssd? Had to change for the vms etc. after some time to external hard disk | 12:52 |
elfio | carepack: 128gb | 12:54 |
carepack | uhh. I had 256gb and space went out. Maybe a hintful tip -> use lvm in the vm. Advantage is you can resize the virtual hd | 12:55 |
carepack | had to do this mutliple times | 12:56 |
elfio | carepack: well I'm not aware for now of what I'll need :p | 12:57 |
elfio | carepack: thank you for the tip | 12:57 |
carepack | I was doin something on the port and then -> oh no have first to reconfigure my system. That was bugging me | 12:59 |
elfio | virtualbox for vm is ok, right? | 13:03 |
carepack | yep | 13:03 |
elfio | Well I wiped 20gb from my ssd and making some space in my external hdd. That should be enough because I have no more space xD | 13:04 |
elfio | Something else to checkout besides hadk? | 13:05 |
carepack | to start? no. Doin the steps in the pdf should be enough | 13:08 |
elfio | ok. Another question: in your experience the power management is better, worse or aprox equal between android and sailfish? | 13:09 |
carepack | defintely in sailfish in my opinion. But it's subjective | 13:10 |
elfio | I had 7 sot in the last cicle with android kk | 13:11 |
carepack | if you lay down you device once with android an once with sailfish there is a huge difference. I don't know if screen on time the point in this. sailfish uses so less energy when it's in idle mode. Here is the advantage about android. About screen on time I can't say | 13:12 |
carepack | is the point | 13:13 |
carepack | my mako can lay around multiple weeks without usin it. This wasn't possible with android | 13:13 |
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elfio | wow that's great | 13:18 |
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elfio | Could I use the binary device drivers from stock rom instead of cm? | 13:22 |
carepack | cm shoukd use the binary blobs whit shipped with the device | 13:26 |
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carepack | no other choices. device drivers aren't opensource | 13:27 |
elfio | ok | 13:28 |
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elfio | As I see here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#tl.3Bdr I can run the sdk on a vm or my own linux installation. Should I build a vm so I won't mess up my SO? | 13:36 |
elfio | OS* | 13:36 |
sledges | elfio: ignore that link to vm, it's mean for ui development | 13:38 |
elfio | ok | 13:38 |
sledges | if you want to run thing in vm - just create one | 13:38 |
sledges | and then do all hadk installation within | 13:39 |
elfio | sledges: but I'm in the right wiki, right? | 13:39 |
sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#tl.3Bdr is just 10 lines of code, don't go below that | 13:39 |
elfio | I'm absolutly noob on this | 13:39 |
elfio | ok | 13:39 |
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elfio | After the last command '$ sdk' I suppose I'm in chroot, right? How do I quit chroot? | 14:03 |
elfio | I mean from there | 14:03 |
elfio | Oh ok, it's just in that shell | 14:04 |
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Nokius | sledges: is it a good idea to add "libsailfishapp" to this pattern? https://github.com/Nokius/droid-hal-device/blob/hybris-11.0/patterns/find5/jolla-configuration-sfe.yaml | 14:39 |
piggz_ | has there been any changes to the low level libhybris/gralloc etc lately that might fix my crashing problem on msm8255? | 14:50 |
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sledges | elfio: ctrl+d | 15:00 |
sledges | Nokius: not really, all you need is to run zypper ref | 15:00 |
sledges | with connectivity on | 15:00 |
sledges | but if adding that to pattern works for you, can't see what could go wrong | 15:01 |
sledges | only one way to find out:) | 15:01 |
Nokius | :D | 15:01 |
sledges | piggz_: libhybris fetched upstream state a month ago, depends when you last tried | 15:02 |
piggz_ | sledges: what android version do you test on, 11, 12 or 12.1? | 15:03 |
Nokius | sledges: okay for some reason UI way is not installing running zypper is (have jolla-devicelock-plugin-encsfa) | 15:03 |
piggz_ | there has been a bunch of commits for htc ace android for 12.1 | 15:03 |
sledges | piggz_: 11 | 15:04 |
sledges | 12 not been rebased to | 15:04 |
sledges | Nokius: not installing what? | 15:04 |
sledges | zypper resolves deps | 15:04 |
Nokius | sledges: one of my ambiances e.g. | 15:05 |
sledges | Nokius: you have to run zypper ref | 15:05 |
sledges | for UI to work | 15:05 |
sledges | (once) | 15:06 |
piggz_ | im fancying a new phone ... want something 'unlike' others ... pref sfos, but ubuntu has more devices...jolla needs some more hw partners | 15:07 |
Nokius | sledges: :-/ mh refeshed zypper but still no ambiance | 15:11 |
Nokius | there is not the install wheel in the application view | 15:12 |
Nokius | pkcon local and zypper installing it via cli | 15:16 |
sledges | piggz_: when is ubuntu's meizu available in europe? | 15:36 |
sledges | Nokius: follow journalctl for errors, when installing from ui | 15:36 |
piggz_ | sledges: not sure ... apparently some android mx4's have boot loader locked so unflashable | 15:37 |
sledges | unsurprisingly | 15:37 |
Nokius | sledges: information is soon (what ever soon is haha) | 15:39 |
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Nokius | sledges: looks like store-client is stopping the install | 15:44 |
Nokius | https://gist.github.com/Nokius/146339a330ce516648e3 | 15:45 |
sledges | Nokius: looks like you're out of luck because you can't add jolla account | 15:57 |
tathhu | Isn't it possible from cli? | 15:58 |
tathhu | :-( | 15:58 |
Nokius | sledges: :,( | 16:02 |
Nokius | sledges: my IMEI is not allowed | 16:02 |
Nokius | check it | 16:02 |
sledges | tathhu: 18:16 < Nokius> pkcon local and zypper installing it via cli | 16:02 |
sledges | Nokius: your device is not allowed | 16:03 |
Nokius | sledges: oky so work a round is cli ... | 16:03 |
sledges | yes | 16:05 |
sledges | or warehouse | 16:05 |
sledges | as usual | 16:05 |
tathhu | Ahh | 16:05 |
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Nokius | sledges: yes this is working so I have to "hack" the .ks | 16:06 |
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sledges | Nokius: with tablet comes the store support for other devices | 16:15 |
Nokius | sledges: :) okay good to know I can't wait to touch it (btw. also a few ofans from meetup order one) | 16:16 |
sledges | well done on bringing yourself all the way to frankfurt! | 16:17 |
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Nokius | :) | 16:20 |
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locusf | sledges: \o/ | 16:44 |
sledges | ;) locusf , subscribing to bugs is one good way staying on top of things :) | 16:47 |
locusf | sledges: yup I really should :) | 16:48 |
Nokius | lets see if "hack" is doing what I will | 17:01 |
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Nokius | mal-: my "great" idea to remove sensorfw to improve the boot was not the best :P | 17:16 |
Nokius | sledges: do u know if there is a fix for the alphabetic password lock? | 17:24 |
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tathhu | (that would be cool with tohkbd :D) | 17:25 |
Nokius | \o/ YEAH!! | 17:27 |
Nokius | alpha-II with warehouse :D | 17:28 |
sledges | Nokius: not that i know of | 17:29 |
sledges | \o/ | 17:29 |
Nokius | sledges: okay hope to see it on tablet wondering if coderus has a patch for this he asked me ones to test it :-/ did break iirc | 17:30 |
sledges | devicelock is a sensitive area | 17:31 |
Nokius | sledges: yes it is thats why I was reporting the bug asap | 17:32 |
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Nokius | mh looks like I should try to put it into the pattern (manuell refresh is not so great for the user experience) | 17:57 |
sledges | go for it | 18:03 |
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Nokius | ah this time it was libsailfishapp-launcher I all ready was wonderig how warehouse is working without libsailfishapp | 18:05 |
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Nokius | hope to get a R7 the N9 like display (nice round display edge) will make a great experience | 18:32 |
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Nokius | good try but refresh is needed anyway | 18:59 |
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sledges | Nokius: for warehouse to work? | 19:10 |
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Nokius | sledges: I tried to install gpodder it fails cos the python dependinces zypper ref solved the issue warehouse is only updating the openrepos repos not the others | 19:11 |
sledges | good catch | 19:12 |
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Nokius | sledges: I won't open a issue again there (basil is a good guy) but this issue is a "porter" issue | 19:16 |
Nokius | so 1.1.6 will fix the fingerterm and I have no problem :D | 19:17 |
Nokius | so we have a bit alpha feeling | 19:17 |
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sledges | Nokius: without working store account, there is no automatic way to refresh repos | 19:29 |
sledges | alaso | 19:29 |
sledges | even on devices with working jolla store (nexus4/5) | 19:29 |
sledges | downloading from warehouse won't work, until a user downloads at least one app from store | 19:30 |
sledges | (during which happens the refresh) | 19:30 |
sledges | i'm pondering on how to address this problem | 19:30 |
sledges | s/at least one app from store/at least one app from jolla store/ | 19:30 |
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Nokius | sledges: I added a hint to my forum post | 19:33 |
sledges | sure | 19:33 |
Nokius | FYI http://www.oppoforums.com/threads/rom-sailfishos-find5.26801/ | 19:41 |
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sledges | \o/ | 19:46 |
sledges | Nokius: you forgot to write the pkcon refresh bit | 19:48 |
Nokius | sledges: thanks | 19:48 |
sledges | Nokius: you can always recompile your own fingerterm | 19:49 |
sledges | and bundle it in | 19:49 |
sledges | (it's time for you to have find5 added to obs, and plug yourself into the backports repo) | 19:50 |
sledges | so you need to compile way less locally | 19:50 |
Nokius | sledges: It's on my list to push find5 to obs but I a bit scared about this step | 19:51 |
Nokius | sledges: the finger term is fix in 1.1.6. iirc u sad this a few weeks back so I can wait but yeap may I should do it | 19:52 |
Nokius | mh may the thread is messy | 19:54 |
sledges | Nokius: nothing costs to try, you'll have your present dev env untouched | 19:57 |
Nokius | sledges: I will check the hammerhead repo and will try my best then :) I can learn any way even I will fail | 19:59 |
sledges | this is what you'll have to do: clone hammerhead repo | 20:04 |
sledges | osc copypack comes in handy | 20:04 |
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Nokius | sledges: okay I will have a look promised | 20:10 |
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Nokius | sledges: git has 1.2.2 device is on 1.1.13 | 20:21 |
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sledges | why do i have to know this? :p | 20:24 |
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tathhu | :D | 20:28 |
Nokius | sledges: U don't have to it was just my interested and just underline that u are right may I should build it :D | 20:29 |
sledges | well git version should be the last thing on your mind :) | 20:31 |
Nokius | ? | 20:33 |
sledges | 23:21 < Nokius> sledges: git has 1.2.2 device is on 1.1.13 | 20:34 |
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Nokius | sledges: Okay I will rolle a new Alpha :D looks great btw. | 20:50 |
sledges | Nokius: the fingerterm? | 20:57 |
Nokius | sledges: yeap just build it local and installed it is working and looks okay (okay diffrent and may I will miss the old one ) | 20:59 |
* Nokius just found a death pixel on the jolla | 21:01 | |
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sledges | Nokius: no idea what changed in fingerterm | 21:01 |
sledges | no changes since march https://github.com/nemomobile/fingerterm/tree/master | 21:02 |
Nokius | sledges: keyboard is mallit now, ui is diffrent | 21:02 |
Nokius | sledges: I build this branch https://github.com/nemomobile/fingerterm/tree/silica | 21:03 |
sledges | you mean that master doesn't work? | 21:04 |
sledges | yes, then that's some other issue | 21:04 |
sledges | i hope your /var/lib/environment/compositor/droid-hal-device.conf doesn't have HYBRIS_.. bug EGL_.. instead | 21:05 |
sledges | because that's the reason master fingerterm failing | 21:05 |
sledges | apologies since hadk pdf has wrong info | 21:06 |
sledges | in 14.4.2 | 21:06 |
Nokius | sledges: I did new master I build silica branch | 21:07 |
sledges | i know what you did | 21:07 |
sledges | but it's all caused by compositor file | 21:07 |
Nokius | o.o | 21:07 |
sledges | building silica is workaroudn | 21:07 |
sledges | do proper fix in .conf file and you'll have your master fingerterm back | 21:07 |
sledges | i wish i asked you for more info on that bug earlier | 21:08 |
Nokius | sledges: I have HYBRIS_EGLPLATFORM=hwcomposer | 21:10 |
Nokius | sledges: no probs | 21:10 |
sledges | it's wrong | 21:11 |
sledges | it needs to be changed to EGL_PLATFORM | 21:11 |
Nokius | sledges: let's see device is rebooting | 21:12 |
sledges | ;) | 21:12 |
Nokius | if it works may we can add it to the pp | 21:13 |
sledges | indeed | 21:14 |
sledges | it's on my todo list, but not on pp :) pls do | 21:14 |
Nokius | woo | 21:15 |
Nokius | :D | 21:15 |
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Nokius | sledges: done | 21:22 |
sledges | thanks! | 21:22 |
Nokius | welcome | 21:23 |
Nokius | lbt screenshot application is only in harbour :( | 21:27 |
sledges | Nokius: https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:lbt:sailfishos/screenshot :) | 21:28 |
sledges | bundle up! :) | 21:28 |
tathhu | isn't screentapshot on openrepos? ;) | 21:28 |
Nokius | sledges: last time I ceck it was a old version | 21:31 |
Nokius | tathhu: only the version from coderus last time i tried it lipstick gave up | 21:31 |
sledges | Nokius: you're right.. | 21:33 |
Nokius | sledges: 0.6-1 is in harbour | 21:34 |
Nokius | obs has 0.2 | 21:34 |
tathhu | Nokius: daamn | 21:35 |
Nokius | night night cu tomorrow | 21:42 |
sledges | n!n | 21:43 |
Nokius | tathhu: screentapshot works there is a u12/u13 update | 21:46 |
Nokius | :( | 21:47 |
Nokius | lipstick gone time for bed | 21:47 |
tathhu | Nokius: ? | 21:49 |
Nokius | tathhu: first try all went good secound breaks | 21:50 |
tathhu | damn | 21:50 |
Nokius | tathhu: :) | 21:53 |
sledges | Nokius: zypper in lipstick-qt5-tools-ui | 21:55 |
elfio | Hi I'm getting some issues while preparing all sdk and so. There is a step in the HADK where I have to execute a command like ' $ breakfast $DEVICE', where the device is in my case falcon. It found the repo but get an error that seems related to openssl missing. Any idea what's happening here? My OS has openssl installed. | 21:57 |
sledges | elfio: use pastebin for full error pls | 21:58 |
Nokius | sledges: nope crashs after start | 21:58 |
sledges | Nokius: zypper in lipstick-qt5-tools | 21:59 |
sledges | too ;) | 21:59 |
sledges | you'll then have ~5seconds to navigate when you want to screenshot | 22:00 |
sledges | then you'll see notification that screenshot has been saved to ... | 22:00 |
Nokius | sledges: :D | 22:00 |
Nokius | thx | 22:00 |
sledges | yw:) | 22:00 |
elfio | Here you have the pastebin http://pastebin.com/8DC08ZaZ :) | 22:02 |
sledges | elfio: you need to go throught chapter 14 | 22:03 |
sledges | section 14.3.1 is missing in this case | 22:03 |
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Nokius | o/ | 22:07 |
elfio | sledges: ok thank you :) | 22:12 |
sledges | np:) | 22:12 |
elfio | I get 'fatal: duplicate path hardware/ti/wlan in /home/pablo/Proyectos/sailfishport/mer/android/droid/.repo/manifest.xml' but in that file there is no ti/wlan duplicated | 22:29 |
elfio | there is a ti/wpan, but it's different! | 22:29 |
elfio | I get this error when I try '$ repo sync' | 22:30 |
elfio | after writing my own manifest.xml | 22:30 |
elfio | I got it, I have to look common pitfalls | 22:33 |
elfio | Well common pitfalls doesn't solve my issue | 22:35 |
elfio | :-/ | 22:35 |
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elfio | Well I commented two lines: the one of external/wpa_supplicant_8 and the one of hardware/ti/wlan. Then it syncs | 22:56 |
elfio | It doesn't finish the sync. I got this http://pastebin.com/sVTUc82n | 22:59 |
elfio | I don't know if this two lines are important or not, but without comment them it doesn't even start to sync | 23:00 |
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