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| locusf | morning | 06:27 |
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| stephg | it's FRIDAY | 06:33 |
| locusf | yes and its my VACATION | 06:34 |
| locusf | although got a job interview today | 06:35 |
| stephg | ooo | 06:36 |
| stephg | good luck | 06:36 |
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| locusf | thanks :) | 06:40 |
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| carepack | morning. locusf: good lock!! let's rock ;) | 07:38 |
| carepack | s/lock/luck | 07:39 |
| carepack | sledges: moin. any news about cellular? | 07:40 |
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| locusf | carepack thanks | 08:03 |
| nh1402 | locusf: good luck, mine went well last week and got the job, now it's your turn. | 08:08 |
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| locusf | nh1402 thanks | 08:34 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi locusf | 08:38 |
| locusf | hey | 08:38 |
| locusf | whats up | 08:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i'm feeling better | 08:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | now i'm trying to compile a fresh cm11 for lg g3 | 08:40 |
| locusf | cool hope it works | 08:40 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | if not i sell device | 08:52 |
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| nh1402 | dr_gogeta86: out of curiosity if you do end up selling it what will you replace it with? | 09:08 |
| dr_gogeta86 | lg g3 isn't my daily driver | 09:09 |
| dr_gogeta86 | buyed just for porting fun | 09:09 |
| nh1402 | ah right | 09:11 |
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| krnlyng | sledges: oh nice, thanks for the hint | 09:35 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: hows your input code progressing? i am fetching the android source currently and i am gonna build the emulator target | 09:36 |
| nh1402 | haven't changed it, don't know what to change it to, and currently at work (well working from home). | 09:37 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: change it to reading from /dev/input/event* :P, well then have a nice work-day :) | 09:38 |
| nh1402 | do you still need to build the emulator target, there is a snapshot here https://android.googlesource.com/platform/sdk/+/android-5.1.1_r4/emulator/snapshot/ | 09:39 |
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| nh1402 | krnlyng:^ | 09:51 |
| mal- | spiiroin: a question related to my device which has a separate device for keyboard switch, how to determine which type a device has like EVDEV_KEYBOARD etc? | 09:51 |
| mal- | I'm looking into solving the availability issue | 09:52 |
| mal- | ah, found the code that determines those | 09:54 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: hm yeah i could use that, but i need the source tree anyways because there are most likely things which need to be patched | 09:54 |
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| mal- | spiiroin: what do you think of this kind of idea http://pastebin.com/1qiNMWKD the code is completely untested, just to show the idea | 10:02 |
| mal- | looks like a small mistake on line 34 | 10:02 |
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| mal- | fixed that http://pastebin.com/vErExYN5 | 10:03 |
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| nh1402 | krnlyng: would input just work with it being in a chroot environment, seeing as it's an emulator and it gets the input from the host. Or would patches be needed? | 10:10 |
| spiiroin | mal-: I'll take a peek | 10:11 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: the graphical application should have touch input which gets sent to the chroot environment | 10:11 |
| krnlyng | maybe it needs patching though, because it expects a mouse | 10:12 |
| nh1402 | I have a touchscreen laptop, I believe it worked with the emulator. | 10:12 |
| krnlyng | then it might work at least for X11 targets, on wayland idk | 10:13 |
| krnlyng | thats why i want to start with the n9 | 10:13 |
| krnlyng | but it won't power on unfortunately.. trying since 3 days now | 10:14 |
| spiiroin | mal-: 1st comment: the pointer arithmetic looks really suspicious; using struct for user_data would be clearer | 10:18 |
| spiiroin | mal-: I'll check the surrounding bits too to actually grok what it does ... | 10:19 |
| nh1402 | krnlyng: you think the battery is finished?, or the power button is broken? | 10:20 |
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| krnlyng | nh1402: battery is dead, and flasher won't revive it | 10:20 |
| locusf | give it time | 10:21 |
| locusf | it should wake up | 10:21 |
| krnlyng | locusf: flasher stops after a few minutes with: "ERROR: Unable to get SU_PARAM_BATTERY_LEVEL" and stops... i could do a bash loop :D | 10:22 |
| krnlyng | the highest it got so far was 2% | 10:22 |
| locusf | ah ok | 10:22 |
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| spiiroin | mal-: from logic point of view, I suspect it would work to some extent | 10:24 |
| spiiroin | the problem is that it would effectively control all keyboards; the slider we want to control + bt/usb keyboards we would not like to disable | 10:25 |
| spiiroin | mal-: can you pastebin "evdev_trace -i" somewhere? (is there already a bug for this? we need bug ref for merging a fix) | 10:27 |
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| krnlyng | lol now it went from 3% to 2%... | 10:35 |
| mal- | spiiroin: no bug yet, I'll create one, here's the evdev_trace -i output http://pastebin.com/24J68egs | 10:35 |
| nh1402 | set SU_PARAM_BATTERY_LEVEL to 100% manually :P | 10:38 |
| spiiroin | mal-: the idea I had long time ago was: create link from "pm8xxx-keypad" to "gpio-slider" via config, make that mean: while inspecting keypad device, get slider state from the gpio device | 10:39 |
| mal- | spiiroin: where would that config be and what parts would be modified? | 10:40 |
| spiiroin | mal-: roughly: an ini file, when applicable the same where SW_LID mapping already is; parsed in evdev probe; used in the iterator function you patched too | 10:43 |
| spiiroin | and some structure changes to allow the link to be stored/checked | 10:43 |
| sledges | carepack: no news yet, got some more ideas to try | 10:43 |
| sledges | morning all:) | 10:44 |
| mal- | spiiroin: ok, I can think about how to do that | 10:44 |
| sledges | a song for friday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfmAeijj5cM | 10:44 |
| sledges | locusf: good luck at the interview!;) | 10:44 |
| locusf | sledges: thx :) | 10:45 |
| sledges | nh1402: cool, so you'll be working for southwest company;) | 10:45 |
| sledges | krnlyng: so with LC_ALL now works for you from ssh on jolla phone? hammerhead still segfaults.. | 10:45 |
| mal- | spiiroin: I think that should not be very difficult to make, I'll try this weekend | 10:46 |
| nh1402 | there was just a business meeting there, I'll be working in the south east. | 10:46 |
| nh1402 | sledges: any known X11 server app for Sailfish?, or one that could work on an arm device? | 10:47 |
| spiiroin | mal-: I have an hour or so now, I'll take a closer peek too | 10:48 |
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| sledges | nh1402: javispedro worked for one, but looks like you're coming closer to onion architecture:) | 10:51 |
| sledges | *on one | 10:51 |
| nh1402 | sledges: just want to use it as a proof of concept for the emulator, then we can look at replacing the X11 stuff with wayland | 10:54 |
| nh1402 | krnlyng: https://together.jolla.com/question/36877/how-do-you-run-an-x-application-remotely-or-locally/ | 10:54 |
| sledges | alright:) | 11:00 |
| nh1402 | krnlyng: I would give it a stab on my n5, but don't actually know how to chroot | 11:05 |
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| nh1402 | I know the command is something like "chroot [chroot folder/image] [initialisation script] but don't know how one would boot into it, or get it drawing. | 11:10 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: "chroot android-path /init" | 11:13 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: oh xwayland nice, might give that a try on the jolla | 11:14 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: yes petals redux works with LC_ALL=C | 11:20 |
| krnlyng | the n9, it lives :D | 11:20 |
| krnlyng | and it has the doodlejump version which works with apkenv still on it yeah :D | 11:23 |
| krnlyng | aaand it died... | 11:24 |
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| mal- | spiiroin: I added the bug report https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 | 11:26 |
| merbot | Mer bug 1100 in mce "Correctly report the availability of hardware keyboards with separate switch device" [Normal,New] | 11:26 |
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| spiiroin | mal-: had to reboot, and forgot to start irc again | 11:27 |
| spiiroin | mal-: totally untested (I do not have any kbd devices at hand right now), but something like this: https://github.com/spiiroin/mce/tree/keypad_slide_mal | 11:28 |
| mal- | spiiroin: ok, I'll try to compile that on obs, since I don't have my own environment with me | 11:31 |
| nh1402 | krnlyng: at least its progress, kind of. | 11:31 |
| krnlyng | brb | 11:31 |
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| mal- | spiiroin: the code works | 12:07 |
| mal- | spiiroin: thanks! | 12:08 |
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| nh1402 | krnlyng: any luck? | 13:01 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: doodlejump starts up but it displays wrongly... input seems to work though | 13:02 |
| nh1402 | on apkenv? | 13:02 |
| nh1402 | or via chroot | 13:04 |
| nh1402 | krnlyng: a contrast to "booting" into Cyanogenmod from Sailfish provides the opposite result. Displays correctly, but no input. | 13:11 |
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| spiiroin | mal-: Nice to know. I found a bt keyboard from box of odd stuff, so I can do some testing myself too and then prep a pr out of it | 13:14 |
| alin | sledges: what is spotify? | 13:15 |
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| * sledges sighs.. | 13:19 | |
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| tathhu | :D:D | 13:19 |
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| sledges | alin: i don't use spotify, but everyone around seems to:) | 13:25 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: apkenv | 13:33 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: as for android, have not had time yet | 13:34 |
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| krnlyng | nh1402: thats cool :), are you able to switch bach from android ui to sailfish ui? | 13:34 |
| nh1402 | krnlyng: I'll have some time in 2 hours when I get off work, I'll try and chroot into the snapshot image then. You could just close surfaceflinger and restart lipstick and all would be well, but I can't remember if that was still the case once I finally managed to get past the bootscreen. | 13:37 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: chrooting into the snapshot will probably work and all, but you won't see anything without the renderer.. i am gonna try and build that later today | 13:38 |
| nh1402 | I'll wait until you can get the renderer going then. I wouldn't be able to do anything without it anyway. | 13:40 |
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| krnlyng | well you could still chroot into it and see if something goes wrong which needs fixing | 13:42 |
| nh1402 | I still wouldn't know what to do with the snapshot.img | 13:45 |
| nh1402 | I'm guessing I would have to mount it first (which I don't know how to do either) | 13:47 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: i think it is yaffs iirc | 13:49 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8663891/how-to-mount-the-android-img-file-under-linux | 13:50 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: or this http://askubuntu.com/questions/234258/how-to-mount-a-yaffs2-filesystem | 13:51 |
| krnlyng | depending on what fs type it is | 13:51 |
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| ahjolinna | is there any good progress with Sony Xperia Z -series phones? I just pre-orderd z3+ but I was thinking of ordering an other xperia phone to try port sailfish to it, maybe z1 compact or M4 aqua (just for fun) | 14:30 |
| nh1402 | ahkolinna: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 14:33 |
| nh1402 | ahjolinna | 14:33 |
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| ahjolinna | nh1402: yeah I know that one, but how up2date is that? (at least on sony part) | 14:38 |
| sledges | ahjolinna: the original yuga is in much better shape than when jolla first ported it before MWC 2014 | 14:39 |
| sledges | last porter to have done things: oleid: but he's busy with studies, here's his heritage to anyone else: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_yuga | 14:41 |
| nh1402 | ahjolinna: Are you aware that the Z3+ has a smaller battery than the Z2 and Z3? and some reports of overheating problems due to the Snapdragon 810. | 14:41 |
| sledges | ahjolinna: xperia pro is also being worked on. good idea to look into newer models too | 14:42 |
| nh1402 | sledges: the Z3+ has a 64bit arm SoC, wouldn't that cause some issues, along with it coming with Android 5.1 | 14:42 |
| sledges | dr_gogeta86: your problems with lg are most probably due to cm11 44S tag already being too old | 14:43 |
| sledges | an update+rebase to newest cm11 would be in order | 14:43 |
| ahjolinna | nh1402: little bit smaller, and about the overheating...well its been mostly with heavy usage and z3+ has v2.1 of the 810 that should have improved thermal management compared to the orginal/first one | 14:45 |
| nh1402 | it's the first in the Z series to drop below 3000mah (not really a big deal, since the OS can be fiddled and changed outright I tend to focus more on the specifications). | 14:46 |
| nh1402 | rather than all the software optimisations that the OEMs do to match the previous flagship. I hate it when they do that, increase the battery size or keep it the same with improved efficiency or don't do anything at all. | 14:47 |
| nh1402 | I would have rather had them keep the battery of the Z2, with the Z3/Z3+ screen with the S810 and ddr4 ram | 14:51 |
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| ahjolinna | nh1402: if the battery change doesn't affect overall daily usage...I don't care, okay U maybe want a bulky/thicker phone if that means u get bigger battery, but you are minority | 14:57 |
| ahjolinna | I dont think the phone should be thinner & thinner, but every manufacturer is trying to find the middle ground...and I think z3+ is about there | 14:59 |
| nh1402 | There are 2 problems with manufacturers, thickness competition, and disgusting phone body to battery capacity ratio. Although Sony are pretty good on that front. The Z2 has the same battery size as the Note 3 | 15:02 |
| ahjolinna | 810 is a 8 core (4+4) so it should be more energy efficient, so from sonys point of view there is no need to have that huge battery if smaller can give also the "2 days of battery life" | 15:06 |
| ahjolinna | about the overheating thing..well we have to see (i think it can be fixed with an software update) http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/06/08/sony-using-snapdragon-810-v2-1-for-the-xperia-z3-and-z4-tablet-heat-issues-still-prevalent/ | 15:07 |
| nh1402 | one of the reasons why Qualcomm were better than the other ARM SoC manufacturers was due to their custom ARM SoC's being better (faster and more efficient) than the competition, while the others all used standard ARM CPU's. Now that the 810 uses standard ARM CPU's the optimisations and speed improvements are thrown out the window. | 15:09 |
| nh1402 | the software update would thermal throttle the phone and as a result slow it down. | 15:09 |
| nh1402 | whether or not its a noticeable difference is another thing. | 15:10 |
| ahjolinna | also I wonder how much is android 5 affecting this, because after the update my uncles phone is way hotter, oh and memory management issue has been resolved yet | 15:10 |
| ahjolinna | damn typos | 15:10 |
| ahjolinna | *hasn't | 15:10 |
| nh1402 | if you think the Android M update is going to improve battery life on Sony phones then you've got another thing coming. The new "Doze" thing is basically the Sony power saving mode. | 15:11 |
| ahjolinna | I never did | 15:11 |
| nh1402 | I was just stating it, for anyone who thought it. | 15:12 |
| ahjolinna | but the android 5 has a lot of weird bugs | 15:12 |
| ahjolinna | I hope Android M will be more stable | 15:12 |
| nh1402 | rant over | 15:17 |
| ahjolinna | nh1402: well I have been using the jolla phone as my main one for ...over 2y? well from the start, and I had enough of the horrible screen and below average hardware..so now when the Z3+ arrived I thought why not | 15:19 |
| locusf | so you want better hw but sfos | 15:22 |
| ahjolinna | well I also need a normal android phone now...but yes | 15:23 |
| locusf | cool | 15:23 |
| nh1402 | well if krnlyng emulator idea come to fruition then we could be looking at running android in sailfish. | 15:27 |
| ahjolinna | well when the jolla phone 2 arrives I will OC buy it...why stop now I already have the phone and waiting for the 64gb tablet | 15:27 |
| ahjolinna | smart watch with sailfishOS would be really nice also | 15:28 |
| locusf | there wont be jolla 2 as is | 15:28 |
| krnlyng | will there actually be a second phone directly from jolla or will jolla target android devices from other manufacturers? | 15:28 |
| locusf | it somme other mf with sfos | 15:28 |
| krnlyng | ah :D | 15:29 |
| nh1402 | ahjolinna well there's nothing stopping someone from porting sailfish to android wear devices. | 15:29 |
| locusf | gogeta tried dory | 15:29 |
| locusf | which is a watch | 15:31 |
| locusf | but it diidnt work | 15:31 |
| nh1402 | locked bootloader? | 15:32 |
| locusf | nope | 15:32 |
| nh1402 | 3.10 kernel? | 15:32 |
| locusf | something else dont remember now | 15:32 |
| ahjolinna | btw. do guys now what kernel version will the tablet use? ...is it the same old 3.4.x? | 15:33 |
| nh1402 | that's a good question. | 15:33 |
| ahjolinna | I heard something that the tablet wont use btrfs but ext4 with lvm...is this true | 15:35 |
| vgrade | that you heard somthing? | 15:35 |
| ahjolinna | :) the one who told me, said that he wasnt 100% if this was true... I like to know if u guys have heard anything about this | 15:37 |
| locusf | 3.10 | 15:38 |
| locusf | said in fosdem | 15:38 |
| ahjolinna | hmmm...3.12-> is recommended for btrfs | 15:39 |
| ahjolinna | I really dont understand what is the point of using so old kernel at least when sailfishOS gets monthly updates (well almost) | 15:42 |
| ahjolinna | 3.18 would be nice, I would somewhat understand having 3.14 | 15:43 |
| locusf | vendors | 15:45 |
| locusf | odms | 15:45 |
| ahjolinna | tablet is intel based, so kernel version shouldn't be a problem, I understand the phone using 3.4 | 15:46 |
| vgrade | ahjolinna: hopefully they will be ne Jolla imposed impediments to you installing any other kernel version | 15:46 |
| ahjolinna | btw. it seems jolla is avoiding updating some apps that have changed their licence to GPLv3 | 15:46 |
| vgrade | ahjolinna: more a mer/nemo decision | 15:47 |
| ahjolinna | I wonder what Jolla will do with Qt5 when its using gplv3, or are they going to stay with 5.2 | 15:48 |
| spiiroin | review/testing appreciated MER#1100 | 15:58 |
| spiiroin | https://github.com/nemomobile/mce/pull/290 | 15:58 |
| spiiroin | ^ mal- ? | 15:58 |
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| nh1402 | just wondering has anyone tested 802.11ac on Sailfish with the Nexus 5? | 17:41 |
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| sledges | nh1402: "Sorry. Could not connect so selected network" | 18:15 |
| sledges | the stack is open, should be easy to debug (pretty sure error is in software) | 18:15 |
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| nh1402 | I'm quite sure the reasons my internet connection cuts off now and then is due to wireless interference, as part of the fibre connection I'll be getting in two weeks time, is a dual band router which arrived today, and was planning to test it out. | 18:30 |
| nh1402 | reasons why it fails to load a page is probably because 5 people are sharing a 0.5 MBps connection. | 18:31 |
| sledges | nh1402: i answered you, check backlog | 18:53 |
| nh1402 | software error then. | 18:56 |
| mal- | sledges: since I found a way to add a custom boot logo on my device, I was thinking that is it allowed to use the Sailfish logo as part of the boot logo? | 19:20 |
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| sledges | mal-: i'm sure hadk licence encompasses all logos that are used within sailfish os | 19:46 |
| sledges | so if you add it to boot logo, is the same thing | 19:46 |
| mal- | ok | 19:49 |
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| nh1402 | locusf: how did the interview go? | 20:50 |
| Nokius_ | o/ | 20:53 |
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| nh1402 | \o | 21:00 |
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| sledges | n!n | 21:06 |
| Nokius | sledges: night | 21:06 |
| nh1402 | night | 21:07 |
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| Nokius | gn8 | 21:26 |
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