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| sledges | mal-: alin_: i tried to play with OBS to make users switch automagically from old geoclue provider hybris to the split one: https://github.com/sledges/geoclue-provider-hybris-community/commits/master | 00:02 |
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| sledges | but zypper dup wouldn't budge | 00:02 |
| sledges | still says 'Nothing to do' there | 00:03 |
| sledges | even though we have this lot here: https://build.merproject.org/project/show/nemo:devel:hw:lge:hammerhead | 00:03 |
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| alin | sledges: identical version | 03:56 |
| alin | sledges: the version is the issue | 04:10 |
| alin | sledges: the community has lower version | 04:11 |
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| blueslee | mal, sledges: hi. there is a bug stopping gps, one has to kill geoclue-master and geoclue-hybris from command line, deactivation from app or settings is.not possible | 07:30 |
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| locusf | morning | 07:32 |
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| krnlyng | hi, i am trying to use "repo init" in the mer sdk, but it fails because gpg is not installed (and i cannot find a package for it), so i tried upgrading as described here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK but that fails because sdk-upgrade is missing, what do i do? | 07:37 |
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| alin | krnlyng: is gnupg | 07:54 |
| alin | krnlyng: the name of the package had the same thing | 07:54 |
| krnlyng | alin: https://bpaste.net/show/a6c88c8e65d5 | 07:56 |
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| alin | krnlyng: provides gpg2 | 08:00 |
| alin | krnlyng: http://paste.opensuse.org/1595924 | 08:01 |
| krnlyng | alin: gpg2 is there | 08:01 |
| alin | krnlyng: anyhow I can bet the issue is from somewhere else | 08:04 |
| krnlyng | i deleted ~/.repoconfig and now it runs (gave me a warning about missing gpg) | 08:08 |
| mal- | sledges: maybe I would add a new version tag to community version? | 08:14 |
| mal- | *should | 08:14 |
| mal- | sledges: maybe the xda post should be changed to reflect the new package name | 08:17 |
| sledges | alin: community has .1 at the end, so it's greater version | 08:26 |
| sledges | mal-: we can always do that | 08:27 |
| sledges | news from #opensuse-buildservice: | 08:28 |
| sledges | 03:20 < sledges> i'd like to have geoclue-provider-hybris-community to replace currently installed geoclue-provider-hybris-0.12.99.5, but zypper dup still says "Nothing to do". repo is here: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/hw:/lge:/hammerhead/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/ ; the magic sauce i use is here: | 08:28 |
| sledges | https://github.com/ledges/geoclue-provider-hybris-community/commit/49d395b25ehe8a952ab13c8af79e7978f0cfed8e9 | 08:28 |
| sledges | 03:20 < sledges> i have a feeling i'm not doing it the right way 'round | 08:29 |
| sledges | 03:25 < darix> you probably just want to zypper in geoclue-provider-hybris-community | 08:29 |
| sledges | 03:25 < darix> if your geoclue-provider-hybris-community conflicts with geoclue-provider-hybris | 08:29 |
| sledges | 03:25 < darix> it will ask you to uninstall the geoclue-provider-hybris-0.12.99.5 | 08:29 |
| sledges | looks like there is no automagic way to get a new package superseding an old one.. | 08:29 |
| sledges | but i'd prefer digging a bit more | 08:29 |
| * sledges needs to pop out for a bit | 08:29 | |
| sledges | since i'm fairly sure it's doable in some way ^^ | 08:31 |
| mal- | sledges: how about obsoletes with a specific version number? | 08:32 |
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| mal- | sledges: what is the version number of the jolla version? | 08:32 |
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| carepack | morning | 08:40 |
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| alin | sledges: why did you break gst-droid? | 09:11 |
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| sledges | mal-: I've done that: https://github.com/sledges/geoclue-provider-hybris-community/commit/49d395b25ee8a952ab13c8af79e7978f0cfed8e9#diff-0b2ec0022952f29c8b874571565725eeR21 | 11:13 |
| sledges | mal-: 0.0.28 | 11:13 |
| sledges | alin: from #mer channel: | 11:14 |
| sledges | 19:23 < sledges> lbt: webhook seems to've stopped working: https://build.merproject.org/package/show/nemo:devel:hw:lge:hammerhead/gst-droid | 11:14 |
| sledges | 19:24 < sledges> forgets tar_git | 11:14 |
| sledges | i re-triggered webhook - it broke itself | 11:14 |
| sledges | i nuked the whole package and created new webhook -- the same | 11:14 |
| mal- | sledges: does that obsoletes work or not? | 11:14 |
| sledges | work? | 11:15 |
| sledges | ah | 11:15 |
| sledges | no | 11:15 |
| sledges | :D | 11:15 |
| sledges | i think zypper is unaware about new provide somehow | 11:15 |
| sledges | we should do something explicit to geoclue-provider-hybris to obsolete itself | 11:15 |
| sledges | it's just a small training on how we should gracefully handle package superseeding | 11:16 |
| sledges | i'll ask obs experts | 11:16 |
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| mal- | sledges: you were too quick to push the package to public :) | 11:21 |
| alin | sledges: ok I see... it was not you | 11:23 |
| sledges | mal-: 11:31 < sledges> since i'm fairly sure it's doable in some way ^^ | 11:23 |
| sledges | we've done that many times in jolla | 11:24 |
| sledges | the whole provides obsoletes are meant for such use cases | 11:24 |
| mal- | it should yes | 11:29 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | sledges, just see firefox rpm specs | 12:29 |
| dr_gogeta86 | in fedora | 12:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | or epel | 12:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is superseeding not upgrade | 12:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/RPM_Guide/ch-advanced-packaging.html | 12:31 |
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| lbt | sledges: looking at it the webhook it appears not to end in ".git" ... not sure if this is a problem | 12:52 |
| lbt | did it used to work ? | 12:52 |
| sledges | lbt: yes, when i used to follow instructions :D retrying with .git now ;P | 12:56 |
| sledges | alin: it's not you, it's me :"D | 12:57 |
| sledges | lbt: thanks, working:) | 12:57 |
| sledges | with .git :P | 12:57 |
| sledges | dr_gogeta86: ok will have a look, thanks! | 12:58 |
| mal- | sledges: if you find a way to fix the dependency problem please send a PR | 12:59 |
| sledges | mal-: sure will | 13:01 |
| lbt | sledges: cool - I was just tweaking it too | 13:09 |
| sledges | lbt: i never ever used .git for urls, just saying ;) | 13:13 |
| sledges | because some git web services wouldn't even work with .git in URLs | 13:13 |
| sledges | so i stopped appending those altogether | 13:13 |
| lbt | *nod* | 13:16 |
| * lbt goes afk - I think today is a write-off :D | 13:16 | |
| sledges | lbt: i hope you're not talking about the car (yn) | 13:18 |
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| mal- | I think it's time to start my summer holiday | 13:21 |
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| sledges | mal-: planned anything nice? | 13:26 |
| mal- | going back to Finland | 13:27 |
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| sledges | no place like home:) | 14:29 |
| alin | sledges: ok so you got into the 3 mantra I see | 14:29 |
| sledges | alin: out of time, i'll probably get that payg 4g next week | 14:30 |
| sledges | got a dormant sim, will use that | 14:30 |
| sledges | won't even have to call around their centres | 14:30 |
| alin | sledges: cool | 14:31 |
| alin | sledges: I got a filemanager shall I push it to common? | 14:31 |
| alin | sledges: so we have it by default in next image? | 14:31 |
| sledges | alin: cool, from author? | 14:31 |
| alin | sledges: github | 14:31 |
| sledges | alin: so it seems we're to now maintain a list of frequently used apps, and ship it with the alpha image flavour | 14:33 |
| * sledges has a flashback of amount of linux desktop distro flavours ^_^ | 14:34 | |
| locusf | heheh | 14:34 |
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| Umeaboy | Hi! | 14:40 |
| stephg | aftern00n! | 14:40 |
| sledges | fr0yday! | 14:40 |
| Umeaboy | I was just wondering...... why do you need to build and install both Android and Cyanogenmod to build and install Sailfish OS if it's not using the same lib? | 14:40 |
| stephg | sledges: it is! | 14:41 |
| Umeaboy | I mean...... Android doesn't use libhybris. | 14:41 |
| Umeaboy | I don't think Cyanogenmod does it as well. | 14:41 |
| Umeaboy | Just curious. | 14:42 |
| sledges | it's friday aftern00n quiz time! who's gonna answer to Umeaboy ? :)) | 14:45 |
| krnlyng | because libhybris requires some parts of android? | 14:47 |
| sledges | correct! one point to krnlyng's team | 14:47 |
| krnlyng | :D | 14:47 |
| stephg | hehe | 14:48 |
| sledges | next question please! :) | 14:48 |
| Umeaboy | Yes, but if Jolla wants to be different by making Sailfish OS an alternative to Android and IOS, shouldn't they avoid using stuff already used in other systems? | 14:55 |
| Umeaboy | "we are unlike" is their motto. | 14:55 |
| Umeaboy | Unlike to 99% yes. | 14:55 |
| vrutkovs | Cyanogenmod _is_ Android | 14:56 |
| stephg | Umeaboy: it's a necessary evil | 14:56 |
| Umeaboy | But can you find anything totally/completley | 14:56 |
| vrutkovs | and android is 'unlike' in terms of a usual linux distro | 14:57 |
| Umeaboy | vrutkovs: Yes. That's not being different. | 14:57 |
| vrutkovs | as they use bionic, not glibc | 14:57 |
| Umeaboy | It's like saying...... Hey, I made a new car that runs on this and that when cars themselves have existed a long time. | 14:57 |
| vrutkovs | this is why libhybris was born - translate bionic calls to glibc | 14:58 |
| Umeaboy | I hope you get my point. | 14:58 |
| vrutkovs | its oranges and apples - doesn't really matter which one comes first or generally better | 14:58 |
| vrutkovs | libhybris closes the gap, but android doesn't need it - bionic is obligatory there | 14:59 |
| Umeaboy | I'm not mad. Just wondering why Sailfish OS doesn't have plans to make something entirely different from what's made now. | 14:59 |
| sledges | question is still unanswered ;) | 14:59 |
| Umeaboy | Yeah. | 14:59 |
| vrutkovs | in order to use hw properly AND qt | 15:00 |
| krnlyng | Umeaboy: if you want SailfishOS without android parts buy a n9 and flash it | 15:00 |
| Umeaboy | Does Sailfish OS have the ability to run Java? | 15:00 |
| Umeaboy | As most desktop-systems do. | 15:00 |
| locusf | essentially pure adaptations are quite difficult to make, it requires hardware support (drivers and kernel), which i turn would require vendors to do that | 15:01 |
| Umeaboy | OK. | 15:01 |
| krnlyng | Java as in android apps or Java as in desktop java? | 15:02 |
| locusf | I was asked once why we won't use thigs like freedreno and just then use normal Linux with Mesa | 15:02 |
| vrutkovs | freedreno requires 3.10 kernel for a proper rendering | 15:03 |
| vrutkovs | tried freedreno on 3.4 - and it was a major pain | 15:03 |
| locusf | well if qualcomm (or whoever makes Adreno GPU's) was that nice to support it, we really wouldn't have to | 15:03 |
| sledges | find me an affordable ODM who has non-android pure-linux BSP (board support package), i'll go with that | 15:03 |
| locusf | exactly | 15:03 |
| locusf | on both sledges and vrutkovs | 15:04 |
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| vrutkovs | sledges: ifc6410 (or ask guys on #freedreno) | 15:04 |
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| vrutkovs | yeah, we're generally stuck on qualcomm | 15:04 |
| vrutkovs | jolla's hardware is a3xxx, right? | 15:04 |
| vrutkovs | at least we got a chance | 15:05 |
| sledges | msm | 15:05 |
| sledges | or you referred t Adreno | 15:05 |
| vrutkovs | adreno 305 | 15:05 |
| locusf | yup | 15:06 |
| vrutkovs | the chances are qualcomm will release 3.10 kernel, afaik they did that for nexus 6 and 9, right? | 15:06 |
| krnlyng | vrutkovs: but you got freedreno to work? | 15:06 |
| krnlyng | on the jolla? | 15:06 |
| locusf | we are still stuck with rest of the hw | 15:06 |
| vrutkovs | krnlyng: on nexus 7 flo via kgsl, but yes | 15:06 |
| vrutkovs | technically its possible on jolla too | 15:07 |
| locusf | freedreno is just graphics | 15:07 |
| krnlyng | ah nice | 15:07 |
| sledges | last linux bsp was by TI - hence the reference to go and install on Nokia N9 | 15:08 |
| sledges | hmm but what about Freescale i.MX (e.g 6, if not newer) ? | 15:09 |
| locusf | hmm not a really mobile platform afaik :) | 15:09 |
| locusf | but still they should have decent linux support | 15:10 |
| locusf | iirc | 15:10 |
| sledges | they had ltib (fun times), and now yocto | 15:12 |
| sledges | nvidia has gone into gaming and IVI world.. | 15:12 |
| tbr | look at automotive SoCs. But there you might get the interesting BSPs only after a pile of NDA | 15:12 |
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| Umeaboy | I was thinking about running SAilfish OS on the Neo Freerunner. | 15:16 |
| Umeaboy | It's not modern, but still open source design. | 15:16 |
| sledges | no go, it's armv4 | 15:18 |
| mal- | and too little ram | 15:18 |
| sledges | i have two dusting in my drawer here.. | 15:19 |
| sledges | how's neo900.org doing? | 15:19 |
| sledges | wow pre-orders! | 15:19 |
| Umeaboy | But it's not even guaranteed that the 900 will ever be sold. | 15:30 |
| Umeaboy | And there's no complete phone to pre-order. | 15:30 |
| locusf | and its likely to run Replicant | 15:31 |
| * Umeaboy googles Replicant | 15:32 | |
| Umeaboy | http://www.replicant.us/ ? | 15:32 |
| Umeaboy | Looks like a custom rom for Android. | 15:33 |
| locusf | yup | 15:35 |
| krnlyng | on the comparison page it says debian | 15:35 |
| locusf | I tested its capabilities to run as a base system for sfos/nemo, but the graphics stack won't work because of the missing hw acceleration | 15:35 |
| Umeaboy | What about the Xiaomi Mi Note Pro? | 15:41 |
| Umeaboy | Pretty nice specs. | 15:41 |
| Umeaboy | 4721 SEK :) | 15:42 |
| Umeaboy | Cheaper than the SG SIII when I bought it. | 15:43 |
| Umeaboy | And still better. | 15:43 |
| Umeaboy | Dual SIM-cards. | 15:43 |
| Umeaboy | :) | 15:43 |
| mal- | but no cm currently | 15:43 |
| Umeaboy | For previous models they made it does exist. | 15:46 |
| Umeaboy | https://www.google.se/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Xiaomi+ClockworkMod | 15:46 |
| Umeaboy | So it shouldn't be THAT hard to make one for the Note Pro. | 15:46 |
| sledges | locusf: neo900 likely to run android!? | 15:58 |
| sledges | :D | 15:58 |
| sledges | that defeats its purpose:) | 15:59 |
| Umeaboy | sledges: Do you know the phone maker called Vega? | 16:01 |
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| locusf | sledges: ah ok, must have imagined then :) | 16:10 |
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| sledges | Umeaboy: nope | 16:16 |
| locusf | arr yeah it was gta04 | 16:18 |
| locusf | which had replicant | 16:18 |
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| alin | sledges: on ubuntu phone... unclocked bootloader... | 16:39 |
| alin | sledges: and they use some android 4.4.2 | 16:40 |
| alin | # Use hybris to control WiFi in urfkill | 16:41 |
| Umeaboy | Unclocked? | 16:41 |
| Umeaboy | Unlocked you mean. | 16:41 |
| Umeaboy | HTC and Sony offers users to unlock the bootloader. | 16:42 |
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| Umeaboy | Gotta go. | 17:02 |
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| sledges | locusf: i think neo900 considering many options for OS | 17:17 |
| sledges | yet mainly they'll refurbish fremantle | 17:18 |
| sledges | alin: woo | 17:19 |
| alin | sledges: woo | 17:19 |
| sledges | exciting! | 17:19 |
| alin | sledges: yes... so except adb shell is broken now... | 17:19 |
| sledges | brake things to make things | 17:19 |
| alin | sledges: hope nobody hears us... looks like more or less the same we do | 17:19 |
| alin | sledges: yes this is what I want to see how to reflash it and crap like this | 17:20 |
| sledges | needs to have good brakes | 17:20 |
| alin | sledges: got a chance to look in mount more or less the same | 17:20 |
| alin | sledges: with nice indications where the android crap is | 17:21 |
| alin | sledges: plus I think they have releases a public kernel | 17:21 |
| alin | sledges: anyhow more curious about the gps not working on the n5 | 17:24 |
| alin | sledges: https://github.com/meizuosc/m75 | 17:25 |
| alin | sledges: fixed one more | 17:26 |
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| blueslee | hey alin, i was not able to get a gps fix | 17:43 |
| alin | blueslee: with test_gps? | 17:44 |
| alin | blueslee: so the same as me.. | 17:44 |
| alin | I need to go now... | 17:44 |
| blueslee | alin: no with gpsinfo | 17:44 |
| alin | blueslee: ok the same for me then | 17:45 |
| alin | blueslee: but testgps is fine? | 17:45 |
| blueslee | alin: best weather here but no fix | 17:45 |
| alin | ok... I will need to go | 17:45 |
| alin | see you later | 17:45 |
| blueslee | alin: did not checked it yet, ok bye | 17:45 |
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| mal- | quite odd that some poeple don't get a gps lock | 18:30 |
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| chachigo | hi everybody :) | 19:27 |
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| AlexCzar | Hi all, I've got an old battered nokia n900 with package inconsistencies, dead repositories, etc. Want to try and install sailfishos on it. Is there a way to do that? Where can I get the necessary info? | 20:52 |
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| sledges | at least vakkov tried n900 port | 20:59 |
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| alin | sledges: good news... tizen tethering has absolutely not issue with 3 paranoia on tethering | 21:05 |
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| alin | phdeswer: I think this is your chapter | 21:09 |
| AlexCzar | sledges, are there any published results? I can't seem to find any. | 21:10 |
| phdeswer | alin: : what's 3 paranoia? And what exactly are we talking about? | 21:10 |
| alin | phdeswer: 3 kills the internet if they detect tethering | 21:10 |
| alin | phdeswer: sledges and I were wondering... if will work on sailfish | 21:11 |
| alin | phdeswer: I got tested a tizen phone and works... usb tethering. | 21:11 |
| phdeswer | alin: Ah ok.... well do you have any more info on how tizen does the tethering? Is it a modem or NAT as in jolla. | 21:12 |
| alin | phdeswer: I do not have more info... but next week I will get the phone back and we can debug if needed | 21:12 |
| alin | phdeswer: we still need to see if sailfish works | 21:12 |
| alin | phdeswer: thought you may already know how is done in tizen | 21:13 |
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| phdeswer | alin: No idea. | 21:13 |
| alin | sledges: phdeswer "bad" news usb tethering in ubuntu touch is a joke... | 21:13 |
| phdeswer | alin: as in, it does not work? | 21:14 |
| alin | practically once connected via usb for tethering I cannot call | 21:14 |
| alin | phdeswer: works but not the phone calling | 21:14 |
| phdeswer | Ah ok... :) | 21:14 |
| alin | the sooner we put sailfish on it... the sooner we liberate that hardware | 21:14 |
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| phdeswer | Well I guess in the USB tethering case they turn the phone in a modem, which might be why you cannot make phonecalls | 21:17 |
| sledges | alin: no slating and mudslinging pls; also circumventing operator's tethering checks is illegal | 21:25 |
| alin | phdeswer: it may be... as you need to do some enable rndis | 21:35 |
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| alin | sledges: illegal is a point of view... | 21:43 |
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| sledges | from offtopic's point of view:) | 21:48 |
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