Thursday, 2015-08-06

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alinis there any reason why there is only micky mouse support for proxy?07:33
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locusfgrr damn libc x8608:24
alinlocusf: what did you do?08:24
locusfld: warning: shared library text segment is not shareable08:24
locusfalin: compiling bionic libc08:24
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locusfI've tried to add the --no-warn-shared-textrel but to no avail08:25
alinlocusf: strange08:25
locusfalso -fPIC08:25
alinlocusf: did not see anything like that08:25
locusfalin: have you tried X86 stuff yet?08:25
alinlocusf: ... that was the bit I missed08:25
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alinsledges: any way to get a system wide proxy?08:27
sledgesalin: nope :(
sledges(sounds like you wrote the question;))08:32
alinsledges: found that things...08:34
alinsledges: the problem is why? is there some ideological reason? to prevent people connecting to merdre corporate networks?08:35
sledgesalin: don't ask me, ask the system :)08:35
sledgesi.e. i'm surprised there is no follow-up answer from jolla after enabling browser proxy08:35
alinalso I wonder why eduroam is not supported... thought in finland they like school...08:35
sledgesprobably not heavily-enough voted tjc feature08:36
sledges(in both cases)08:36
alinand do not even start me about keeping passwords in clear text in conman08:36
sledgesconnman? i thought they're kept clear everywhere :p08:37
alinsledges: bloody hell... if progress would be some democratic process.. I guarantee we will still be in a cave and eat fruits08:37
sledgesok, let's get it started08:38
alinsledges: blimey... you are right... but then the phone will pass no security audit08:44
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sledgesalin: right about what?08:51
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alinsledges: I am not using pidgin08:54
sledgesalin: you are missing the point08:54
sledgesor just pulling my leg :DD :P08:54
alinsledges: nope... the fact that they put a list of anonymous software.. some of it even dead... is not an argument of keeping the passwords in clear text08:56
sledgesgive your arguments after reading the whole article08:58
alinsledges: only fouls and horses will argue about the normality of storing passwords in cleartext08:59
alin"We're 100% fine with people having false perceptions of how insecurely Pidgin handles your passwords. We are not, however, fine with sacrificing actual security for false security." wtf... they were storing the passwords in clear text...09:03
sledgesalin: they have to become clear text on their way to server anyway, so if there's a lock, there's a key09:07
alinsledges: as far as I remember not for xmpp09:10
alinsledges: and not for services over https09:11
alinsledges: anyhow I hope you do not start to argue about printing the passwords on t-shirts cause anyhow some stupid services want the password in clear09:11
sledgesalin: what is sent over xmpp, and most importantly https?09:16
sledgesin first case some hash?09:16
sledgeshttps is just ssl encapsulated http09:16
alinsledges: a cryptographic hash...09:19
sledgesdoes it ever need to be rehashed when key changes?09:21
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alinsledges: no idea about these...09:45
alinsledges: but in fairness the conman configs are root only readable09:46
tbrsledges: please remind people to always include a .ks file with their uploads to idf.09:48
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sledgesPSA: STORE IS BACK!!! (for nexus5 , checking nexus4 atm...)10:05
sledgesmal-: pls add your .ks file to (thanks tbr) it's ok if it points to local repos, as long as it's there10:06
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mal-sledges: ok10:07
mal-sledges: why does it have to be there?10:07
sledgesmal-: so it's at least semi-reproducible10:07
sledgesor others can get better ideass10:07
tbrpoor mans manifest10:09
tbrmany directories contain a .ks. Should be ofc kept up to date10:10
sledges.ks belong to a release, neither can be updated10:11
sledgesexcept by a newer release10:11
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tbralso by looking at a ks it should be obvious if there are things in the image which are problematic10:12
mal-sledges: tbr it's there now10:13
sledgesnexus4 store doesn't works :{10:14
sledgesaccount keeps asking to be updated, re-sign-in10:14
locusfdo pure adaptation stores work btw?10:15
locusfie. n9, rpi2?10:15
sledgeslocusf: ?10:15
sledgeslocusf: store has no awareness of underlying ha10:15
locusfsledges: oh good10:16
locusfha make V=1 -d libc10:21
locusfthis might take a while10:21
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nh1402alin: the thing with encrypting stored passwords is that you then have the same problem with storing the encryption key10:32
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sledgesahoy ikozzz ! long time no c :)10:47
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ikozzzyeah i missed you guys)10:56
ikozzzdo you have something to test or help?10:57
alinikozzz: there is α1310:59
alinikozzz: a lot of things work10:59
alinikozzz: gps crashes the majority of times...11:00
alinikozzz: sensors eat the batery11:00
alinikozzz: plus the usual bugs... minus few we  fixed11:00
ikozzzalin: can you please give me the latest build?11:01
nh1402sledges: have you seen this? now if only all the devices would get linux kernel 4.011:01
nh1402although for the moment it's only working for x8611:03
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ikozzznh1402: there is 4.1 with some Athom support11:03
ikozzzalin: thanks, i will do my best)11:04
Mister_MagisterHi everybody! Can somebody help me please? I have nexus 7 2nd gen (flo) with sailfishos and i cannot allov untrusted software and install apps from store11:08
nh1402has anyone tried comparing mainline kernel with android kernel on the jolla phone, and used a benchmarking app such as (antutu benchmark for android)to see if there's the performance/battery life difference if any?11:11
sledgesMister_Magister: zypper in jolla-devicelock-plugin-encsfe11:11
sledgesMister_Magister: store won't work yet, but we are one step closer. user warehouse for openrepos instead for now11:11
Mister_Magisterslefges but i cannot install warehouse becasuse i cannot install untrusted software11:12
sledges14:11 < sledges> Mister_Magister: zypper in jolla-devicelock-plugin-encsfe11:14
nh1402run that command in fingerterm, or via ssh11:16
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sledgesMister_Magister: you will need to become root for that, use devel-su11:26
Mister_Magistersledges many thanks but i forgot password so i have to reflash xd11:28
sledgesMister_Magister: you never set it, create it in Settings->System->Developer mode11:30
ikozzzthanks for SailorGram, i will continue participate in translation!11:36
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Mister_Magisterbut i cannot enable developer mode :v Porting sailfish to my device can damage it?11:40
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ikozzzMister_Magister should be enabled by default. Only thing you need to do is to change root password if you want11:48
ikozzzMister_Magister goto Settings/System/Developer Mode11:49
Mister_Magisteri know i know but i disabled it and i cannot reenable11:49
ikozzzoh) me too11:51
ikozzzthen easyiest way too reflash i think) lol11:51
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ikozzz*sorry, i think you get what i wrote)11:53
sledgesMister_Magister: yes, that's a known bug sadly11:53
sledgesMister_Magister: however11:53
sledgesyou can telnet11:53
sledgesMister_Magister: telnet 232311:54
sledgesfrom your host PC11:54
sledgesit won't have password, and from there you can reset nemo password via `passwd nemo`11:54
Mister_Magistermany many bugs xD11:54
sledgeswhich will teach you not to disable developer modes on platforms with bugs ;)11:55
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nh1402not sure if it's just for testing or not but it allows you to change the password to one character.11:56
Mister_Magisteri have bugs everywhere :D I cannot set screen lock11:56
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Mister_Magisterand telnet failed12:00
sledgesMister_Magister: how did it fail? can you ping?12:02
Mister_Magistertelnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out12:02
sledgesMister_Magister: ping
Mister_Magisterping failed too12:12
sledgesMister_Magister: try
sledgesyou might have old build where IPs were not all .1512:13
Mister_Magisterturn off wifi network (i have 192.168.1.x ip)12:13
sledgesMister_Magister: no need12:15
Mister_MagisterPING ( 56(84) bytes of data. From icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable12:16
Mister_Magisteri'm sorry12:16
Mister_Magister2.1 xD12:16
Mister_Magister2.1 also not work12:16
sledgesMister_Magister: ifconfig usb012:17
sledges(all still on your host)12:17
Mister_Magister0.20 :v12:17
sledgesMister_Magister: ifconfig usb0
sledgesand try again, but i have a hunch that disabling developer mode surely locked you out for good12:18
sledgesyet let's try still12:18
Mister_Magisterwith sudo?12:18
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Mister_Magisterwith sudo this command show nothinh12:19
Mister_Magistersudo ifconfig usb0  usb0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 42:49:6b:e7:a3:87             inet addr:  Bcast:  Mask:
Mister_Magistertelnet 232312:20
Mister_Magistertelnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused12:20
sledges.20 is your host's12:21
sledges.15 is your tablet's12:21
sledgesping .1512:21
Mister_MagisterFrom icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable12:23
sledgesMister_Magister: ping
Mister_Magisteri have similar problem with installing when i could not telnet :v12:25
Mister_Magister2.1 works12:25
Mister_Magisterso what now?12:26
sledgestelnet 232312:26
Mister_Magisteri said it works12:27
Mister_Magisteri can think :v12:28
Mister_Magisterand i typed passwd nemo12:28
Mister_Magisterand set password12:28
sledgeswell done12:28
sledgesyou still have fingerterm even when you disabled dev mode?12:29
Mister_Magisteri had but now its gone12:30
sledgesprobably it was still left ope12:30
Mister_Magisterso what now?12:31
sledgesnow you can ssh into device12:32
sledgesssh nemo@
sledgeswith set password12:32
Mister_Magisterssh: connect to host port 22: Connection refused :v12:34
Mister_Magistermy device is funny xD12:34
sledgesok means ssh is not back since no dev mode12:34
sledgesMister_Magister: then just use telnet12:34
sledgesas you have root already there12:34
sledgesjust type12:34
sledges zypper in jolla-devicelock-plugin-encsfe12:34
Mister_Magisterlag :v12:35
sledgesit's refreshing repos12:35
Mister_Magisteranyway i wanna port sailfish to motorola moto g 2nd gen. It will be hard?12:36
sledgeshere written the required experience:
Mister_Magisteri know i reading it :v12:37
Mister_Magisterbut it will be hard? it can damage my device?12:37
sledgesin hadk pdf there's a disclaimer about hair loss ;)12:38
Mister_Magisteri know it :v12:38
sledgesif you are talking about Motorola Moto G 2014 ("titan")12:38
sledgesor its LTE counterpart12:38
sledgesthey have only lollipop support12:38
sledgeswhich is being done for sailfish as we speak, not yet ready12:38
Mister_Magisterit will be simple for me (never develop any rom) or i will break everything?12:39
Mister_Magisteri talking about titan12:39
sledgesit will be tough for you then12:40
Mister_MagisterNo provider of 'jolla-devicelock-plugin-encsfe' found.12:40
sledgesoh pardon12:41
sledges(package is still using the old naming..)12:41
Mister_Magisteri will try port anyway (maybe you will be able to see me again :v)12:42
sledgesbut keep checking back and asking when hybris-12.1 branch becomes available, in the meantime do some prep work as per pdf12:43
sledges(you will not be able to go beyond first repo init because of that ^^)12:44
Mister_Magisterok :v12:44
Mister_Magisteri downloaded12:45
Mister_Magisterwhat now?12:45
sledgesMister_Magister: if you mean jolla-devicelock-plugin-encsfe12:47
sledgesuntrusted software now works12:47
Mister_Magisteryes i mean this :v12:47
Mister_Magisteryes it works thanks :v12:48
Mister_Magisterbut what about developer mode? i need terminal for warehouse12:48
sledgeszypper in fingerterm12:48
sledgeszypper in -t pattern jolla-developer-mode12:49
sledgesshould bring it back12:49
mal-Mister_Magister: for porting you can look for the information needed in 14.3.1 and 14.3.2, it's good to have the needed info ready when actually doing it12:49
Mister_Magisteri found thanks12:52
Mister_Magisterthanks people jolla have awesome comunity <312:53
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sledgesthanks for showing some <3 :) welcome aboard!12:55
Mister_Magistersledges can you help me with warehouse? :)12:56
sledgesMister_Magister: question #412:56
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Mister_Magisteryummy it works thanks sledges13:07
Mister_Magisternow i can play with sailfish :313:11
sledgesPSA: how to bring store to your device: do `ssu s`, Device ID should show a unique ID (IMEI or MAC for non-cellular devices, note - your GSM modem should provide a valid IMEI even without SIM!) - find another port/phone and prove that unique ID there is different than yours, and that all of them persist across reboots, then ping me to enable store for you13:16
sledgesnexus4 works too!! ping carepack13:19
sledges(oh carepack is afk for few days)13:19
Mister_Magistersledges how to install android support? Store not working and i cannot find it in warehouse13:24
sledgesMister_Magister: no android support for non-jolla devices13:24
sledgessee FAQ #213:24
Mister_Magisteroh :(13:24
sledgescommunity is working on their own layer, many approaches taken13:25
sledgeslast one is working where you can play some classic android games13:25
sledgesask krnlyng and nh1402 on that13:25
locusfjoin #shashlik13:26
mal-oh1jty: ping, could you check the IMEI of your Xperia Pro sailfish as sledges described above and give it to me in private so I can check that's it's unique13:26
nh1402Mister_Magister: looking at porting/forking shashlik over to sailfish, might start it today13:26
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Mister_Magisternh1402 what? I dont understand :(13:28
nh1402shashlik is a project to get android app support working on 'real' linux, the main focus being on desktop linux distributions.13:29
Mister_Magisterok :v13:30
nh1402it makes use of the linux kernel, and only uses necessary android framework files to get it working, so will save on space.13:30
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locusf+ already runs on wayland compositor13:30
locusfweston but I'm confident it could run on lipstick as well13:31
nh1402ah yes, that too. The other thing is that its using x86, but swapping the x86 stuff for ARM shouldn't be too much of a problem13:31
Mister_Magisterso i cannot run android apps on sailfis port?13:32
mal-not yet13:33
nh1402although you can run a few games via apkenv13:33
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nh1402hi ernesti14:06
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mal-oh1jty: jolla store is now working on xperia pro14:56
Mister_Magisteris possible to turn off 5 sec wait before acton for example remove something?15:00
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stephgthere are hacks to tweak the remorse timer15:00
stephgbut they're hacks, no way via the UX15:00
Mister_Magistercan you give me link or something please?15:01
sledgesMister_Magister: do you remove things that often that you want to disable a killer feature which gets rid of confirmation boxes? ;)15:02
sledgesand reduces number of taps15:02
stephgMister_Magister: use at your own risk :)
Mister_Magisterstephg What do you mean "use at your own risk"? :D15:03
sledgesi think it's been superseeded:
stephgquite probably, was just the first google link15:04
Mister_Magistersledges yes i do i very often now. it slowing me :C15:04
stephgMister_Magister: a) you can just ignore it, the UX is useable whilst the timer is ticking down15:04
sledgesMister_Magister: lol, what's that you do? just swipe app away/close it and remorse timer will assume positive decision15:04
stephgas to the danger of patches, they mess with UX files on the system, they can break things in a UX breaking way15:05
sledgesand as in danger to delete precious files/photos ;)15:05
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BluesLee_sledges, alin: store works again:-) bye15:06
sledgesBluesLee_: old news15:06
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Mister_Magisterok i will try live with that :V15:06
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sledgesnh1402, alin: could you check modRana works for you from store?15:15
sledgesalin_: ^15:15
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nh1402sledges: which rom, alpha 12 or 13?15:16
nh1402i'll check both15:18
sledgesnh1402: whichever has gps working15:20
alin_sledges: nope gps crashes for both modrana and poormaps15:22
alin_sledges: by the way poormaps is more of a decent app15:22
sledgesalin_: question is does modrana even start for you?15:22
mal-sledges: at least on my port with 1.1.6 modrana works15:25
alin_sledges: the one from my repo yes15:25
alin_sledges: the image shall have poormaps directly installed15:25
sledgesalin_: im asking from store15:26
sledgesis what the rest of world has15:26
alin_sledges: I do not have internet...15:27
alin_sledges: since we do not stupport fancy corporate merdre networks...15:27
sledgesPSA: nexus5 and 4 just got enriched set of apps - refresh your stores!15:27
sledges(as opposed to initial generic set only)15:27
alin_sledges: or university ones...15:28
sledgesmal-: xperia pro as well ^^15:28
sledgesalin_: tjc15:28
alin_sledges: there are no proxies15:29
alin_sledges: I can write configs by hand till cows come home15:29
alin_sledges: will not connect15:29
sledgesalin_: wrong channel to talk about this ..15:30
GodGinraialin_: So your cows made it home safely?15:30
nh1402sledges: it doesn't get my location on either, but the app at least loads on both15:32
nh1402then again, I am indoors, and can't find any satellites.15:33
sledgescool, it didn't load on my crippled n5 on aosp15:36
sledgesso all good to the rest it means :thumbsup: thanks nh140215:36
nh1402no problem15:37
alin_sledges: not having internet.. is a porting issue... you cannot port without it15:41
sledgesalin_: lol but people who can fix this are not on this channel15:42
alin_sledges: I can fix it.. but I will be fired and probably put in jail if I disable the proxy of a national lab15:43
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Ford_Prefectsledges: awesome that the store works, will try to back up my setup and flash again over the weekend or early next week16:18
Ford_PrefectShould probably just set up multirom16:18
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sledgesFord_Prefect: yep:)16:23
locusfsledges: rt'd16:24
sledgeslocusf: ta16:25
Just486hai all16:25
Just486just saw the announcements about sailfish (and the tablet), and got excited16:26
Ford_Prefectooc, does the Jolla tablet a ground up enablement, or is it Android-based like the community ports?16:26
sledgesalso fellows don't forget to let google know too ;) share share!
sledgesJust486: hi, welcome aboard then :)16:27
sledgesFord_Prefect: a bit of both ;)16:27
Ford_Prefectsledges: interesting. Do you know which it is for audio?16:28
sledgesFord_Prefect: i know nothing ;P16:28
Just486also took a look on the libhybris adaptation chart, looks promising for hammerhead16:28
sledgestime will reveal16:28
Ford_PrefectAh :)16:28
Just486only green, capital Y-s16:29
sledgesJust486: yes just polishing annoying rough edges at the moment for n516:29
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Just486yeah, I heard some stuff about wireless stuff, that they don't really work as they should under the hood16:31
sledgescan you be more specific? is not nexus5 related i guess16:32
Just486for example, is this bugzilla entry still relevant? [hammerhead] find more elegant solution to the current bluetooth hack16:32
sledgesJust486: if it's open, 95% it is relevant16:32
sledgeswe just went through them all recently16:32
Just486got it16:34
Just486each day, i'm getting closer to install (and acutally use) sailfish. I don't really like Google's OS16:35
sledgeswe're here to bring that day closer;)16:36
Just486this is why I so thankful to this community. So once I have installed Sailfish again (probably around the release of 2.0 or so) i would love to help you. (only as a semi-advanced user, as I don't know anything about programmimg16:39
sledgesJust486: you can have it already now via multirom16:41
Just486you mean Sailfish 2.0?16:42
sledges2.0 is not yet out16:43
sledgesbut it will be just an upgrade away16:43
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Just486the release of 2.0 is the point when i'm going to join. Unfortunately, with the release of Android 5, you have to wipe userdata in order to gain root access (and install multirom)16:47
Just486And ereasing userdata is really holding me back from just installing multirom when im in the mood16:48
sledgesyet you'll have to backup userdata16:48
sledgesat some point anyway16:49
sledgesnandroid can do that for you16:49
Just486I never restore full backups, i consider they can cause a lot of problems16:50
Just486only taking the most important bits and pieces, and backup them. (photos, contacts (if not on google), saved game data, etc)16:51
sledgesfair play16:51
sledgesi used full backups, and they seem to restore byte-to-byte16:51
sledgesbut that was long time ago16:51
sledgeswhen i used android phones:))16:51
sledges(htc wildfire:))16:51
Just486haha, my neighbour has a wildfire.. OMG that phone...16:52
sledgesputting sailfish would breathe 2nd life to it:))16:52
mal-sledges: you think there is new enough cm for that?16:54
Just486anyways, I never tried full backups on Android. This behaviour comes from older Symbian phones, and the N9, where I always had major issues after restoring old backups. (mixed and glitched contact and sms details, unusable homescreen, etc). But i don't think Android could do better16:54
sledgesmal-: i don't :P but we had a port of nexusone;)16:56
sledgesmaybe that other repo collection could help that i always keep forgetting the name16:57
sledgesJust486: well they just do a dd backup from images and back16:57
Just486sledges I don't trust technology! :) I trust the work of my own hand :)16:58
Just486sledges also, why would I bakup data, that I don't need17:04
sledgesJust486: to be able to install multirom and carry on as before;)17:04
situsledges: Wasn't store working before on ported devices ?17:05
Just486sledges I will, I will, I promise :)17:08
sledgessitu: long long time ago ;)17:12
sledgesafter it broke until now17:12
sledgeswe had a critical bug about it17:12
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sledgesone hella discussion started17:50
sledgessome bug reports for nexus4 (cc carepack)17:51
sledgesbut i just wrote up quick remedies - those might be it17:55
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nh1402hi lanodan18:13
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lanodanhi nh140218:16
lanodanI was wondering how it’s going for GSM Voice support of the OnePlus One18:17
nh1402I believe beidl has taken the reigns of that, as of yesterday18:21
lanodanOk, I’ll wait for updates on this channel18:22
iKozzzsledges: can i add a new language to SailfishOS?18:25
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Mister_MagisterHi its again me. Its possible to run flashplayer or watch video in browser in ported sailfish?18:28
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nh1402you can watch html5 videos , not sure about flash18:32
nh1402sledges: You now have "300 thanks" on xda :D18:37
iKozzzwait for it.... 301 lol18:44
Mister_Magisterthanks on what? :v18:45
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nh1402Mister_Magister: People acknowledging his work towards getting Sailfish working on android devices.18:51
Mister_Magisteri'm talking about link but ok :v18:52
nh1402it's not thanks on one specific post, it's overall18:53
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* ahoneybun has a OnePlus One waiting for Sailfish19:52
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alinsledges: moderana tested installs20:04
anth_just wondering -- has anyone had success with the i9300? or are there ofono problems?20:05
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Nokiusso I can add my Jolla account on ports or is some new package needed?20:42
Nokiusones I had a good tracking webpage20:43
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nh1402hi transpARent20:51
mal-Nokius: no new packages needed, but I think the device model has to be activated from jolla side, after you verify that IMEI is working correctly20:52
Nokiusmal-: ok nice20:54
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stephgreminds me, does that mean that odd IMEI disappearing/reappearing thing ever got solved?21:01
stephgI say solved, I mean more in the sense it was a mystery rather than a bug21:01
stephgsledges: ^^ remember we had it last summer on the N421:01
* stephg is sad he had to return that n4 and has also had the m7 taken of him :(21:02
transpARenthi nh140221:03
transpARent(apparently someone can see me)21:03
stephgwho said that!21:03
nh1402transparent != invisible21:07
transpARentif opacity is set to 0 than it's supposed to be invisible21:08
nh1402you can't just physically say "opacity equal 0" and you'll turn invisible.21:11
sledgesnh1402: haha thanks, equal if not more of those thanks needs to go to situ and vgrade who made hybris11.0 and nexus5 happen :)21:15
sledgesiKozzz: you can't yet translate sailfishos to a new language easily, but that such tool is in the works to be made available21:16
sledgesbeidl: pressure mounting even more on opo ;)21:17
sledgesalin: thanks for testing modrana21:17
sledgesNokius: check first topic in the channel for more info on store21:17
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Nokiusmh oppos imei checker is not working correct21:25
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sledgesNokius: whatever ssu s reports21:28
sledgesNokius: it might fall back to wlan or bt mac, if no imei can be extracted21:28
sledgesbut if it can, it can be a false positive (like a default/invalid imei, equal for all devices)21:28
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Nokiusyes thats why I wanted to check it on the oppo site but both phones find5 and the imei from the find7 box are failing may there checker is broken or I have fake phones :D21:34
Nokiushave to go up to the garret21:35
sledgesNokius: failing in their androids?21:37
sledgeshmmm, is it *#06# ?21:38
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iKozzzsledges: i see. thnx21:41
Nokiusbox has the same just checked it21:42
Nokiusalso *#06#*21:42
Nokiussledges: failing here
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Nokiusoppo did some changes :S22:00
Nokius:( oppo broke the forum :,(22:10
Nokiusso I have to wait for the store22:10
* Nokius gn822:12
sledgesforum looks good to me22:12
sledgesyou can't post or?22:12
Nokiussledges: no login no pw reset22:12
NokiusFailed to send, please try again later22:13
NokiusI asked oppo via twitter already22:16
Nokiusbut 140 are to less to ask other for there imei :(22:16
Nokiuslet's see tomorrow22:20
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