Tuesday, 2013-03-19

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GentSirsitu, morning mate05:12
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GentSirAnyone around?08:34
GentSirI was wondering, is there a list of x86 devices that Sailfish has been shown to work on?08:35
JonniGentSir: Sailfish OS has not been released. Someone has runned sailfish sdk in exopc forexample.08:36
GentSirJonni, I know one guy got it running on an Iconia Tab. It's just a little tough testing gesture controls in Virtualbox08:37
JonniGentSir: well thats is true, a bit hard since vbox sdk only sends mouse events and not QTouchEvents :)08:38
Jonnior what kind of gesture controls you meant? :)08:39
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GentSirJonni, like swiping covers aside and menus down08:39
GentSirIt's very hard in virtualbox08:39
GentSirI was thinking of buying a device it'll load on in its current state08:39
Jonniah, that just takes a bit of practice08:39
GentSirJonni, it's still much nicer on an actual touchscreen08:40
Jonniwell yes, you can use any x86 windows touchpads/laptops etc, if you just copy the vm to windows vbox :)08:41
GentSirMy mate up north still has my Nokia N9, he'll be shipping that down and I plan to get Nemo running on it. So I can at least get experience with Qt/QML on that form factor08:41
phakoQt/QML experience works quite ok with stock N908:42
GentSirI've searched for two years for an N950, but the few I've been able to find are priced at $1500 or more08:42
Jonniaverage price for N950 seems to be around 900-1000e08:43
GentSirAs much as I've wanted that hardware, it's not worth that price now08:44
GentSirI recently moved, and all I brought with me as far as test devices go are android phones08:44
Jonniheh, yes price quite high when the real value of N950 is around 150e.08:45
GentSirJonni, what currency are you using?08:47
GentSirI don't recognize the 'e' after it08:47
Jonnie as in euro08:47
GentSirOH, I should've known that08:47
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GentSirIs there a way to make the Sailfish SDK device in virtualbox display at a smaller resolution?09:10
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kontioGentSir: https://www.sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html "I see scrollbars in the emulator window. How do I scale it to the window size?"09:24
kontiomaybe not what you meant but a workaround?09:25
GentSirkontio, that would work perfectly. Thank you09:26
GentSirBeen awhile since I've used Virtualbox09:26
GentSirI only have a single 22" monitor right now, so I don't have a ton of space to work with09:27
kontioyeah have the same issue when working on laptop :-)09:30
GentSirI'm actually working on my laptop right now09:30
GentSir2008 Macbook 4, 1. It's getting old, but I haven't found anything I like more09:31
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GentSirkontio, will Sailfish be using Qt 5.1 when it's released?09:34
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Stskeepsno, qt4 for the system stack09:36
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GentSirStskeeps, alright, this is my first foray into Qt/QML. My mobile experience is limited to Android09:46
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GentSirSfietKonstantin, how's that Tab?10:25
SfietKonstantinGentSir: smooth10:26
SfietKonstantinI love it10:26
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SfietKonstantinsailfish is an impressive piece of SW10:26
SfietKonstantincan't wait for phone and ARM images10:26
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GentSirSfietKonstantin, yeah, I've been trying to find an n950, but no luck10:29
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Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: still in your quest of the N950 ?10:30
Sfiet_Konstantinhaving an N9 already makes you quite unique10:30
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, yes, but I'm still on my quest for the holy grail10:32
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, N9's are very easy to get10:32
GentSirI can go on ebay and there are around a dozen listed for around $30010:32
GentSirBut a n950, on the rare occasions someone is selling one, have been from $1000-200010:33
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: or ask a friend working at nokia10:33
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, I'm only 19, not old enough to know anyone from the glory days of nokia :)10:34
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: I see :P10:35
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's a problem indeed10:35
GentSirI believe I've said it to you before, but I believe there's probably a box of n950's and other dev phones that will never be used10:35
GentSirsomewhere in nokia HQ10:35
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niweberit's really not worth it10:38
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, but my age gives me an advantage over older developers, I don't have any ingrained bad habits yet10:38
niweberafter getting my n9, I never touched my n950 again10:39
GentSirniweber, to get an n950? I have an n9, but I've always wanted an n950 just for the sake of having oen10:39
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Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: I have learnt one thing10:40
Sfiet_Konstantintinker with the devices you have10:40
Sfiet_Konstantinget the max out of them10:40
Sfiet_Konstantindon't think about getting more powerful one for the sake of having one10:40
niweberGentSir: n950 is just like the n9, just way slower and with crappy reception10:40
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, all the devices I brought with me when I moved where Android phones. My mate up north is sending my n9 down and I'll have it by the time the community releases a sailfish image for it10:41
GentSirSorry about bad grammar/spelling this morning10:42
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GentSirI've watched the video demos of Sailfish, played around with the emulator and SDK, I really love the concept10:43
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: well10:46
Sfiet_Konstantinone day10:46
Sfiet_Konstantinit will happen, I'm sure, but we need to be patient10:46
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GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, I've got plenty of time, just hopefully it's before my trusty Atrix 2 dies :)10:52
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libregeekingkidneed help setting up the sailfish sdk11:41
libregeekingkidneed help setting up the sailfish sdk11:41
Stskeepsask away11:42
libregeekingkidI am a newbie to setting up sdks, I want to set it up on a debian 64 bit system, I have downloaded the 64 bit sdk file but don't know what to do with it11:43
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Sfiet_Konstantinchmod +x nameofthefile.bin11:43
libregeekingkidSfiet_Konstantin: pls explain it as you are explaining it to a layman, I am comfortable working with the terminal. But I am not aware of many of the commands that you are using .11:46
libregeekingkidSfiet_Konstantin: and the sdk file extension is. run and not .bin11:47
niweberlibregeekingkid: you can do it from the graphical interface11:47
libregeekingkidniweber: how11:47
niweberlibregeekingkid: right click on the downloaded file, there has to be a setting somewhere whether to allow executing11:48
niweberlibregeekingkid: after you set that, you can simply double-click11:48
GentSirlibregeekingkid, it might help if we need what desktop environment/distro you're using11:49
libregeekingkidGentSir: Its Debian wheezy11:49
libregeekingkidGentSir: 64bit11:50
niweberlibregeekingkid: yes, but kde? gnome? something ele?11:50
libregeekingkidniweber: Gnome 311:50
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niweberlibregeekingkid: so, right click, in the context menu there is settings (or something, depends on your language)11:51
niweberlibregeekingkid: in settings, there is a tab access rights or something similar11:52
niweberlibregeekingkid: and there is a checkbox for executing11:52
libregeekingkidniweber: you can tell this with terminal11:52
niweberlibregeekingkid: if that is checked, you can simply double-click11:52
libregeekingkidniweber: thanks, it has started, the option was in the file properties11:54
niweberlibregeekingkid: my setup is not english, that's why I didn't know the exact words11:54
libregeekingkidniweber: even mine is not :d I have this in marathi11:55
GentSirniweber, may I ask what language you work in?11:55
niweberGentSir: German11:56
Sfiet_Konstantingot mentionned on MyNokiaBlog for the Iconia tab vid11:56
Sfiet_Konstantinlet the flamewar start in comments11:56
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, soundtrack? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos11:58
GentSira little nsfw language11:58
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: nice one :P12:00
GentSirI'm actually surprised by how many people don't develop in english, I thought it was the standard12:01
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: what do you mean, develop in english12:02
niweberfilmed with n9 ;)12:03
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, by how many people don't have their desktop interface in english12:03
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, if the DE is in your language, why would you choose english ?12:03
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, I'm an american, haven't really been exposed to the cultural diversity seen in other parts of the world12:04
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: I see :) however, other people are attached to their language as well, even if they code / tweet / chat in english12:05
Sfiet_Konstantinniweber: filmed with an N9, but did you spot the tee shirt ?12:05
mikhasThe N9 was easy to spot in the reflection.12:06
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, filming with an n9 takes you to a whole new level of fanboy status12:06
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: no, it is just because I have that phone to film12:06
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm phone agnostic right now12:07
Sfiet_KonstantinI choose the best UI that's all12:07
mikhasGentSir, it always takes extra effort for us to use English. And we cant be as smart/witty in English as in our mother tongue either.12:07
mikhasIdioms are a huge problem when using different languages. They often dont translate very well.12:07
Sfiet_Konstantinfun, nobody have spotted the tee shirt :(:(12:07
mikhasCovered by the N9.12:07
mikhasTry with less window reflections next time ;-)12:08
Sfiet_Konstantinmikhas: no, I'm sure that you can see it, close to the end, when I play with accelerometer12:08
GentSirmikhas, I've actually found that many people who use english as their second language are much more precise with it than us native speakers12:08
Sfiet_Konstantinmikhas: yeah, ok ...12:08
Sfiet_Konstantinmikhas: everybody is telling me about that window reflection ...12:09
mikhasGentSir, because it's a conscious effort for us.12:09
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GentSirmikhas, a friend of mine grew up in germany and learned english as her second language. She speaks it very well, but I could tell where she couldn't quite think of a word and would have to substitute a german one.12:10
mikhasT-shirt visibility confirmed.12:10
Sfiet_Konstantinmikhas: :P12:11
niweberSfiet_Konstantin: ah, can see it as well :)12:11
GentSirWhat's on the t-shirt?12:11
niweberGentSir: wathc the video :-P12:12
GentSirniweber, will do12:13
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, is there any particular reason you used Vimeo instead of YouTube?12:15
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: no, except the reason to be out of the google ecosystem12:16
Sfiet_Konstantinand I find vimeo more content friendly12:16
Sfiet_Konstantinsince I don't want to have lots of suggestions and comments12:17
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, I know a lot about being out of the google ecosystem, it's a pain keeping an Android phone completely separated..12:18
mikhasAnd Vimeo has no video length limitation. And a better player.12:19
Sfiet_Konstantinmikhas: indeed the player is really really nice12:19
mikhasIt actually has working fullscreen.12:19
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, your accent sounds Icelandic/Scandinavian12:19
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: guess again12:19
mikhasThe softness in the voice sounds rather Asian to me ;-)12:20
GentSirmy best friend is asian and sounds nothing like him :/12:20
Sfiet_Konstantinmikhas: technically, you are not wrong, however, no ...12:20
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, Indian?12:21
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm genetically asian, but my accent is not from that country12:21
Sfiet_Konstantincome on, not at all12:21
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm not asian12:21
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, Indian was right?12:21
Sfiet_Konstantinno it is not indian12:21
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, genetically, I'm chinese12:21
Sfiet_Konstantinhowever, the accent is not chinese at all12:21
mikhasI commented on the softness of the voice, not the accent.12:22
Sfiet_Konstantinmikhas: well, then you are right :):)12:22
Sfiet_Konstantinbut noone want to comment on the accent ? :D12:23
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, still trying to guess12:23
GentSirThat video was way more informative about the interface than the Jolla one on an N9 though, good work12:24
Sfiet_Konstantinhint, it is in europe :P12:24
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, Czech?12:24
* niweber thinks southern european12:24
Sfiet_Konstantinniweber: too vague :D12:24
niweberbut correct? :-P12:25
GentSirMy american ignorance is showing12:25
niweberSfiet_Konstantin: well, your ip is in switzerland :-P12:27
Sfiet_Konstantinnot serbian, not shouthern europe12:27
Sfiet_Konstantinniweber: damn12:27
niweberI know, cheating12:27
Sfiet_Konstantinbut which part ?12:27
Sfiet_KonstantinSuiss is either fr, ger or ita12:27
niweberthey all speak funny there :p_12:27
Sfiet_Konstantinniweber: true, and I'm not a Suiss either12:27
Sfiet_Konstantinso I'm speaking less strangely :D12:28
niwebernot german part12:28
Sfiet_Konstantinnot german part12:28
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, at least I had the region right on my first guess12:28
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: well no, I'm not in scandinavia :D12:28
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Sfiet_Konstantinniweber: so, fr or ita ?12:28
GentSirI would love to live in a Nordic country12:29
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niweberGentSir: you like freezing?12:29
GentSirniweber, I actually just moved to Florida from Michigan12:29
Sfiet_Konstantinactually I'm french12:30
Sfiet_Konstantinstudying in CH right now, but I'm french :P12:30
GentSirIt's already 70 where I am now, and it's way below freezing in my hometown. I miss the cold, I'd much rather be freezing.12:30
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: 70°F in °C please ?12:31
GentSir18 C here in florida at the moment12:31
niweberGentSir: so, you are at about the same latitude as switzerland12:31
GentSir-4 C in my hometown12:32
niweber(in Michigan)12:32
GentSirniweber, I grew up in Michigan. I've only been in florida a few months12:32
Sfiet_Konstantin0°C in CH now :P12:32
niweber-2C here12:32
niweberand snowing12:32
GentSirI miss snow12:33
niweberhappy springtime12:33
GentSirWe've got a high of 29 C here today, and this is the coldest time of the year12:33
niweberGentSir: Scandinavia is way further north than Michigan though12:34
niwebertink northern canada12:34
GentSirniweber, I can handle colder12:34
niweberthe darkness in winter is even worse than the cold12:34
niweberbut -30C with a strong north wind is bad as it is12:35
GentSirDoesn't sound too bad12:36
GentSirBetter than 30 C every day12:36
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: I would love 30 °C everyday :)12:37
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, it's really not that great12:37
niwebertoo hot12:38
GentSirFlorida is called "Heavens Waiting Room" for a reason, it's all old people in this area12:38
GentSirMost popular retirement state in the US12:38
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: would be better to be called hell's waiting room12:38
Sfiet_Konstantinthanks to temperature12:38
GentSirSfiet_Konstantin, I've heard it can reach 40C and above in the summer here12:39
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Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: cool :)12:40
GentSirHave you guys had the issue in the Sailfish emulator where the time display didn't show up, but was between the views?12:40
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: what do you mean ?12:41
GentSirYou know how there are 3 main views on the vertical scroll of the homescreen? The time indicator is between the top 2 and only shows up when moving between them12:42
GentSirAlso, where'd you get an IRC client for Sailfish?12:42
Sfiet_Konstantinyou cannot see it on the top view ?12:42
Sfiet_KonstantinGentSir: terminal, zypper in irc-chatter12:42
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Sfiet_Konstantinwell guys12:43
Sfiet_Konstantinbye, I have to go12:43
GentSirHow do I access the terminal on the emulator?12:43
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GentSirlbt, any other way? Laptop doesn't have right-ctrl key12:50
lbtin the bottom right of the emulator window it says a key12:51
lbtthat's your vbox 'host key'12:51
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GentSirI'll need to change that, alright12:53
GentSirlbt, is there a guide on the basic terminal functions and the login info for it?12:56
lbtno guide - just plain linux. The login info is in the FAQ page :)12:56
GentSirlbt, found it. thank you12:58
mikhasit's actually great that you can login to the SDK and build env12:59
mikhassomething I found very lacking with the Harmattan SDK12:59
GentSirThis is my first experience with a MeeGo style SDK13:00
GentSirlbt, this is going to sound even more stupid, how do I exit the terminal in the emulator?13:03
lbtor whatever13:03
GentSirI installed irc-chatter using zypper by ssh'ing in, how would I access it on the emulator now?13:04
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GentSirI see, it showed up when I rebooted it13:11
GentSirBut it won't actually launch in the emulator13:12
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JonniGentSir: most likely it is missing some depency or similar, you could try login as nemo, and launching it from commandline, usually output tells whats wrong.13:36
GentSirJonni, good idea, thank you13:36
JonniGentSir: heh and irc-chatter works in my sailfish emulator, so I guess I have depency packages installed :)13:40
GentSirOne sec, about to get you the error message13:41
GentSirJonni, that helpful at all? http://i.imgur.com/TMoSedy.png13:42
JonniGentSir: yes, if you do: "zypper in qt-components" you will get that application running.13:43
GentSirIsn't qt-components the harmattan stuff?13:43
GentSirSorry about the spelling13:43
JonniGentSir: but that package is obsoleted and most likely will not be available on final product, as it provides com.nokia.meego component, and you should port apps to use silica.13:44
Jonniits just there for making porting easier ie when you want to see if app even starts13:45
GentSirJonni, I just wanted to get a couple nemo/MeeGo apps running in the emulator to get a feel for it13:45
Jonniyep for that installing the package will help13:45
GentSirJust did, and I'm restarting the emulator. Thank you13:45
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GentSirI'm going to be working on learning Qt/QML, and about the Mer stack underneath Sailfish OS. Maybe I'll be able to make something useful13:46
JonniGentSir: and you dont need to restart emu to get app icons showing up. running this as root will restart lipstick etc: systemctl restart user-session@1000.service13:47
GentSirJonni, after I installed qt-comp my screen is black at boot. Not sure if it's the power saver or something else13:49
JonniGentSir: left-crtl+H is powersave wakeup13:49
GentSirPerfect! thank you Jonni13:50
GentSirIt runs, but it's not very usable13:51
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lbtusing a touch ui with a mouse is not ideal13:54
GentSirlbt: That, and it's sideways with no way to change it14:02
GentSirBut it runs, that's the important part14:02
Merbotlbt: Error: "!" is not a valid command.14:02
lbthush up Merbot :)14:02
lbtthat's unexpected GentSir - the emulator should run in portrait mode14:03
GentSirlbt: The emulator runs in portrait, but irc-chatter runs in landscape. So it's not very usable. That's all14:03
GentSirlbt, concentrate on your meeting, not the newcomers like myself :)14:04
lbtyeah, we don't have a mechanism to rotate to landscape in alpha14:04
lbtbeta is likely to have 'reboot to rotate' which sucks but is best option for now14:04
lbtunless we find some RDP/Qt coders....anyone?14:05
GentSirAn an actual device I'd just turn it sidewise, not really an option in VB though14:05
lbtno, and it's a bit complex at the code level14:05
lbtwe need to rotate a lot of layers14:05
GentSirlbt, stuff end-users think is very simple is often very difficult to actually do. I understand14:06
GentSirActually, I could see if there's a way for Openbox to just rotate the window the emulator is running in...14:06
GentSirThat would be similar to just rotating the device14:07
Jonnijust get swiwel monitor and rotate the monitor :)14:07
GentSirJonni, working on my laptop right now14:07
GentSirI plan to build a new development computer here in the next few months14:07
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GentSirlbt, i never realized you were quite that important14:38
lbt_I am?14:38
GentSirlbt, : Well, you obviously know your way around14:39
GentSirI'm working on just picking up the basics14:39
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lbt_hmmf - ADSL dropped14:45
GentSirlbt_, back in michigan I was on a 200/200 fiber connection. I'm on DSL here, I feel your pain14:45
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GentSirI swear, even the Sailfish emulator is less laggy than my android phone15:31
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StskeepsGentSir: that's nice to hear :)15:42
GentSirStskeeps, it likes to lag itself out and crash. Have you ever seen an Android sw keyboard go into "matrix" mode?15:42
Stskeepswell, i can guess what happens, composition overload15:43
GentSirYou press a key, and it doesn't register for ten seconds15:43
GentSirso you quickly type your entire message, and watch as the key presses register on the keyboard one by one after you're done15:43
mikhasphew, never happens with Maliit (anymore)15:48
GentSirI'll be glad to jump ship to Sailfish once it's officially released15:51
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SKonstantin_tabHello again16:38
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Yanielhullo 'tab16:43
Morpog_PCyou make me want to buy such an iconoa tab :-)16:43
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sledgessend the vid to iconia themselves ;)16:50
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Yanielmaybe they would want to partner with jolla? :D16:57
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SfietKonstantinHello again !17:37
SfietKonstantinping SKonstantin_tab17:37
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Sfiet_KonstantinI'm testing the autonomy of the tab17:38
Sfiet_Konstantindown from 100% to 90% in 57 min17:39
Stskeepsthat's not a lot17:39
Sfiet_Konstantinso rough estimate: 570 min of autonomy, 9.5h17:39
Stskeepsstill on sailfish?17:39
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: of cause17:39
Stskeepsyou could probably make it really suspend with a bit of mce hacking17:40
Sfiet_Konstantinand I don't think that I turned on any powersaving feature17:40
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: I don't care17:40
Sfiet_KonstantinI turn it off when not needed, the boot is fast enough17:40
Sfiet_Konstantinbut I want to test how much it last just idling on IRC17:40
Sfiet_Konstantinscreen turned off17:40
Sfiet_Konstantinif I get 9h, I'm already very happy17:40
Stskeepsis it a 3g one, or?17:40
Sfiet_Konstantinno, wifi one17:40
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Sfiet_Konstantinit is said (on wikipedia, and advertised) that that tab can go up to 6h17:41
YanielIIRC I easily got 10h IRC idling with my N8 on wifi with the screen off17:42
Sfiet_KonstantinYaniel: not the same device17:42
Sfiet_Konstantinthe iconia tab is not optimized to be a mobile device17:42
Sfiet_Konstantinthink about it as a computer without keyboard17:42
Sfiet_Konstantinor a netbook17:42
Yaniel9h is quite impressive there17:43
Sfiet_Konstantinfunnily is that that aweful tablet is being more and more decent17:44
Sfiet_Konstantinbut it is still heavy17:45
Yanielmore and more decent,17:45
YanielI wonder, will it become good one day?17:45
Sfiet_KonstantinYaniel: no17:46
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause of being too heavy17:46
Sfiet_Konstantinand having a bad screeen (too much latency)17:46
Sfiet_Konstantinbut it is a good test device17:46
Sfiet_Konstantinand the CPU and GPU are decent17:46
lclcwhats the login / pw of the sailfish emulator?17:50
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Sfiet_Konstantinlclc: nemo:nemo17:51
Sfiet_Konstantinlclc: root:nemo17:51
lclcSfiet_Konstantin: it says Login incorrect17:52
Sfiet_Konstantinlclc: how are you trying to log17:53
Sfiet_Konstantinssh nemo@localhost -p 2223 ?17:53
lclchm no that would be nice to (going to do this now)17:54
lclcbut I presse Ctrl+F2 on the merSDK VM17:54
Sfiet_Konstantinnot the MerSDK17:54
Sfiet_Konstantinthis one is made for compiling17:54
Sfiet_Konstantin(cross compiling)17:54
Sfiet_Konstantinthe one you have to launch is Sailfish simulator17:54
lclcah ok, didn't understand that. I have 2 running17:55
Sfiet_KonstantinMerSDK ships compilers, so you don't need them to be installed on a computer17:55
Sfiet_KonstantinQtCreator calls compilers from MerSDK17:55
lclcmmh, ok then I going to connect via terminal17:56
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lclcHm, no I got this:  Permission denied (publickey).     Maybe I've forgot to do something, I've just made a fresh install of openSUSE and didn't use SSH yet. Any idea?18:01
Jonnilclc: have you tried the tricks in FAQ?18:01
lclcgood idea. sry^^18:01
lclcjonni: That worked18:02
lclcthx for the hint18:02
Yanielwhich one?18:03
lclcthe first one18:03
lclcssh -i ~/.ssh/mer-qt-creator-rsa nemo@localhost -p 222318:03
lclcMer is build on top of suse right? so should I'm be able to install nearly all suse packages? I need potrace and jpegtopnm, can I just add them as dependency in the RPM or do I have to deliver them by myself?18:08
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Stskeepsno, mer's built on top of itself18:09
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lclcah ok, I just though because of RPM and zypper.  So the repos don't have all the other stuff? Is there somewhere a list what I can get as dependency and what not?18:12
Sfiet_Konstantinlclc: zypper se <yourpackage> :)18:13
Sfiet_Konstantinwhy do you need potrace and jpegtopnm ?18:13
lclcI want to convert a picture (from cam) into an SVG18:14
Sfiet_Konstantininto an ... SVG ?18:14
Sfiet_Konstantinhow do you do that ?18:15
Sfiet_Konstantinis that even possible ?18:15
lclcI know, doesn't works always but its quite good for simple things18:15
lclcyes with potrace18:15
lclcreally cool tool18:15
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, package potrace yourself18:15
Sfiet_Konstantinpotrace is not shipped18:15
Yanielit works with black & white images18:15
lclcseems so18:15
lclcyes the result is only black & white, but the input can be anything18:15
lclcI've tested it quite successfully on an PC with pictures if made from my phone (the plan is to convert pictures from a white board into SVG to be able to manipulate them afterwards)18:16
lclcSfiet_Konstantin: Do you mean to pack it as part of my package (of the full app) or as a lib into the official repo (would they accept it? I've never made a RPM)?18:18
YanielI don't see why it would not be accepted into mer repos18:19
Sfiet_Konstantinlclc: do what you want :)18:19
Sfiet_Konstantinsend it to mer repo18:19
Sfiet_Konstantincreate your repo (open an account on merproject Open build system for example)18:20
Yanielor a sailfish user repo once that is a thing18:20
Sfiet_Konstantinpack it in your app18:20
lclcok, I'm going to try that :D18:20
Sfiet_Konstantinlclc: look at the packages that are already done (their spec / yaml file)18:20
Sfiet_Konstantinread the tutorials in Mer wiki18:20
Sfiet_Konstantinrecommanded reading: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK18:21
lclcuf thats alot to read. I'm going to do a try & error with the build service first, copying the stuff from the openSUSE potrace18:34
Sfiet_Konstantinlclc: trust me18:35
Sfiet_Konstantinread that18:35
Sfiet_Konstantininstall the Mer platform SDK first18:35
Sfiet_Konstantinit ships tools that will help you with OBS18:35
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Stskeepsevening shmerl18:43
shmerlStskeeps: Hi. Jaylist said you asked for some updated questions from TMO - I don't think there are any additional major ones.18:43
shmerlExcept may be if you are handling Google's reversal on CalDAV/CardDAV support18:43
shmerlI.e. whitelsists only and etc.18:43
shmerlIt's a strange story: http://googleblog.blogspot.ca/2013/03/a-second-spring-of-cleaning.html18:44
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lclcThe SDK includes tools needed to create rpm packages for Mer.18:57
lclcSee https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=sdk-kickstarter-configs&project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting18:57
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lclcThats all written under Packaging. I don't get it, that link doesn't help me18:57
lclcHere the OBS project I've made: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=potrace&project=home%3Alucas      I've uploaded the files but I can't choose a build target18:59
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lbtlclc: I'll fix that19:33
lbtbut it'll only be Mer for now19:34
lclclbt: Thanks. I don't think I need more then Mer?19:34
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Sfiet_Konstantin3h30, 61%20:11
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's good, SKonstantin_tab20:11
Stskeepspsm most be working in your tab20:12
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: how do you know ?20:12
Sfiet_Konstantinif it is enabled ?20:12
Stskeepswell iwconfig might hint it20:13
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Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: power management on20:15
Sfiet_Konstantinso it seems to be OK20:15
Sfiet_Konstantinhowever, what I find wonderful is that even with that kind of powerful CPU, it still have a good autonomy20:15
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat I don't like is that there is no double tap to wake the screen :P20:18
Stskeepsyou could probably wire that up somehow20:19
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: I would prefer more information on how to handle HW keys20:23
Sfiet_KonstantinI have a windows key on the tab20:23
Sfiet_Konstantinand would love to map it to "minimize app"20:23
Sfiet_Konstantinbut don't know where to start20:23
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JonniSfiet_Konstantin: you mean mapping hw keyevent to minimize app in sailfish? make a daemon to listen keyevents, and on wanted keyeven either send X11 iconify event to foregroud window id or maximize event to lipstick window id, either one will do the trick.20:45
Sfiet_KonstantinJonni: thanks a lot :)20:48
Sfiet_Konstantinthat implies doing X stuff, I'm not a fan of that but why not20:48
YanielSfiet_Konstantin: does the tab beep when you highlight it?20:52
Sfiet_KonstantinYaniel: what do you meen by beeping and highlighting ?20:53
Yanielping SKonstantin_tab20:53
Sfiet_KonstantinYaniel: no, it do not beep20:53
JonniSfiet_Konstantin: I was playing with minimize code example a few weeks back, but now I cant seem to find the sources in any if my common git repoes :), guess I forgot to push stuff from my work laptop :)20:53
Sfiet_Konstantinpassive notif is displayed though20:53
Sfiet_KonstantinJonni: not a problem20:54
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's a bit sad that lipstick do not provide dbus API for that20:54
Sfiet_KonstantinJonni: and how do you listen to key events ? I'm only familiar with Qt20:54
JonniSfiet_Konstantin: but i tested that iconify to foreground window id and windowactivete to lipstick id both worked and minized the current app.20:55
Sfiet_KonstantinJonni: ok. Need to learn X more20:57
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JonniSfiet_Konstantin: for capturing keyevents in qt you can use for example something like this http://www.codeprogress.com/cpp/libraries/qt/showQtExample.php?index=188&key=QApplicationInstallEventFilter     and ofcourse if you want to do things without qt you can list listen events from /dev/input/event[x] device.21:10
Sfiet_KonstantinJonni: you cannot write a daemon with that21:11
Jonnisure you can :)21:11
Sfiet_Konstantinuptime: 4h30, battery: 49%21:12
Sfiet_KonstantinJonni: really ?21:12
Sfiet_Konstantinwill try tomorrow I think21:12
Sfiet_Konstantintoday is battery test day21:12
Sfiet_Konstantinso, by extrapolation, the tab will last close to 9h with one charge21:13
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w00tSfiet_Konstantin: look at mcompositor's source, it already grabs a key to do what you're asking21:25
w00tmaybe you could patch it to make it configurable21:25
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SfietKonstantinw00t: is the mcompositor shipped in Sailfish simu the same as the one in github ?21:27
w00tSfietKonstantin: yes21:27
SfietKonstantinso I can replace the package in Sailfish simu with one that I compiled21:29
SfietKonstantinright, that's nice21:29
SfietKonstantinw00t: or maybe I should export a DBus api to perform that, what do you think is the best ?21:30
w00tSfietKonstantin: i'd say just leaving it in there and making it configurable is fine enough21:33
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Sfiet_Konstantinw00t: ok21:33
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lclcis there no "if" in QML?21:55
Sfiet_Konstantinlclc: there is21:57
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, there is everything in JS21:58
lclcthen whats wrong with that:21:58
Sfiet_Konstantinlclc: if is a JS statement21:58
lbtlclc: no there's no if21:59
Sfiet_Konstantinit should be put in either a function()21:59
Sfiet_Konstantinor a signal handler21:59
lbtstate machine would probably be the best option iirc22:01
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Sfiet_Konstantinlclc: in that case, just put your button to visible: image.status ==Null22:01
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lbtlclc: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qml-tutorial3.html22:03
lbtsince you probably want a nice transition on state-change (ie fade in)22:03
lclcmmh so complicated compared to QWidget. I never liked HTML and I'm probably never gonna like QML.22:04
lbtlclc: hehe ... you're right, we shoulda used NEWS!22:06
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GentSirI'm back22:47
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GentSirThank you22:49
GentSirlbt, I was wondering. Aren't Sailfish OS and Nemo Mobile both aspiring to be Linux distributions for mobile usage? What's the fundamentally different about them that there needs to be two projects?22:56
lbtNemo is a community driven place for open collaboration. SailfishOS extends into the commercial collaboration world too22:57
lbtso Sailfish alliance builds on Nemo22:57
GentSirlbt, so Nemo is the completely "open" version, but SailfishOS is more suitable for if hardware makers want to custom package it for their hardware?22:59
lbtgood enough :)22:59
lbttypically commercial companies would consider commercial deals as cost-effective ways to solve some problems23:00
lbteg consultancy, licensing , support23:00
GentSirand I know there's a stigma about completely FOSS solutions in many commercial companies23:01
lbtyeah, all kinds of FUD and confusion23:01
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GentSirlbt, so if they're fundamentally the same, why shouldn't I just build apps for Nemo and do the little bit of porting work to run it on SailfishOS?23:06
GentSirIf Jolla as a company fails, I'm sure Nemo will live on23:06
lbtoh, for sure23:07
lbtMer and Nemo came first and are designed to be more resilient than any one company23:07
GentSirI was amazed, I dropped into the terminal on Sailfish and released that it IS just a Linux system. I was impressed23:07
lbtbut in turn that means that people have confidence in Sailfish underpinnings23:07
lbtand that makes it more likely to succeed23:07
GentSirYes, I see the logic23:07
GentSirI surely hope it succeeds, I really like what I see so far. I'm delving into Qt/QML and hopefully I'll be able to make something useful23:08
lbtwe're confident23:10
GentSirThe "cover" pages remind me a lot of WinMo live tiles23:10
GentSirI really like the UI23:11
GentSirAndroid is a kludged together mess, but it's the best on the market right now, I'll be happy to buy my first Jolla branded phone23:11
GentSirI know you can't give too many details. But what are the plans for supported carriers and bands?23:14
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GentSirGSM/HSPA+ are pretty standard, so I'd assume they'd be in the first rollout23:15
lbtI simply don't know - we've made announcements about finnish and chinese carriers so far I think - check the press stuff for accuracy :)23:17
GentSirlbt, I wasn't going to quote you on it! But I'll check out the Jolla press releases23:18
GentSirThe press release looks like it was translated into English from another language23:20
GentSirOr at least written by a non-native speaker23:20
lbtfinnish :)23:20
GentSirThe november 21, 2012 press release23:20
GentSirI actually prefer reading stuff by non-native english speakers. Their grammar is much more precise and the text is more tersely worded.23:21
GentSirI'll admit that I have plenty of bad habits in English23:21
lbthehe -- well I know for sure big chunks were at least edited by a native english speaker23:22
lbtbut you can only do so much when editing23:22
lbtthere's been more news since then around MWC23:23
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GentSirThat's the only press release I saw. I went through the mailing list and every article I could find23:24
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GentSirNow I'm going through the twitter feed23:28
GentSirThe things I'm willing to put up with for proper Linux23:28
GeneralAntillesGentSir, you haven't have much experience with Nokia's documentation, have you?23:28
lbthey GeneralAntilles23:29
GeneralAntillesHi, lbt.23:29
lbtbeen a while :)23:29
GentSirGeneralAntilles, literally none. I've used a couple Nokia devices and really liked them, done a little Android development, but I've never touched Qt/QML before now23:29
GeneralAntillesI've been around. ;)23:29
GeneralAntillesGentSir, well, their non-native speaker copy has historically been terrible.23:29
lbtFinns speak great english compared to English speakers speaking finnish23:30
GentSirGeneralAntilles, my first (and only) language is English. I was just commenting that good non-native speakers are much more precise23:30
lbtsadly they speak it so well they try to write it too :D :D :D23:31
GentSirI try to make sure I structure my sentences perfectly when talking in places like this where there are many non-native speakers.23:31
lbtnah, I figure I'm teaching them23:32
GentSirBy slipping in slang and mixing up your grammar rules?23:32
lbtof course23:32
GentSirMixing up your predicate and subject are you?23:32
lbtseriously though - we do make an effort to encourage non-native speakers around mer/nemo and of course sailfish23:33
GentSirYes, I know many of the original Nokia engineers fall into that category23:34
lbtit just gets to be a problem when they'rs so proficient that I forget people are using a second language23:34
GentSirOne of my best friends grew up in germany and speaks English as her second language, I've ran into that issue with her23:34
lbtor "I ran"23:35
* lbt runs23:35
lbtsee :D23:35
GentSirYeah, or "lay" and "lie". Little stuff a native speaker corrects automatically when reading it, but someone who isn't a native speaker tries to comprehend it literally.23:36
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GentSirI spent awhile trying to pick up Icelandic, tried to use it a little when I was at EVE Fanfest. The natives happily dropped into English for me instead of letting me struggle :/23:37
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