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| GentSir | I see it's quiet in here when us young folks aren't around | 04:01 |
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| special | too early for europe ;) | 04:09 |
| GentSir | special: Good point. Are you an American as well, or just enjoy being up this early? | 04:11 |
| special | american | 04:12 |
| GentSir | You're a couple hours behind me, I'm in Florida | 04:12 |
| GentSir | Utah? | 04:12 |
| special | yup, good stalking :p | 04:13 |
| GentSir | It really isn't that difficult | 04:13 |
| special | these are prime work hours for me | 04:14 |
| GentSir | I work best in the middle of the night as well, quiet and peaceful | 04:14 |
| special | what are you working on? | 04:17 |
| GentSir | I hope nobody copies me for saying it in this channel | 04:18 |
| GentSir | But i'm working on an api client for EVE Online | 04:18 |
| GentSir | This is one of the most used apps on my Android phone: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aideronrobotics.android.aura&hl=en | 04:19 |
| GentSir | I've never made a mobile app on my own before, and I've never used Qt/QML or done much GUI stuff. So this is a pretty big learning experience for me. | 04:19 |
| special | mm, fun | 04:24 |
| GentSir | I know, it's a niche project and I likely won't see much use | 04:26 |
| GentSir | A few of the EU guys were trying to convince me to study in Europe if I really want to learn | 04:27 |
| special | but at least by you, and as a learning experience | 04:27 |
| special | heh, study? | 04:27 |
| GentSir | Go to University there | 04:27 |
| special | at least for programming, real-world experience means far more, I think | 04:29 |
| special | I learned almost everything I know by writing things for myself and as OSS | 04:29 |
| GentSir | i'm entirely self-taught | 04:29 |
| GentSir | I'm nineteen, so my only educational experience is high school, a business vocational school I attended junior/senior year, and a little community college | 04:30 |
| GentSir | I've taken about 5-6 programming classes, they were all a joke to me | 04:30 |
| special | personally I'd hire the self-taught people first | 04:33 |
| GentSir | Here's where they pointed me to earlier: http://www.rwth-aachen.de/go/id/bnzs/?lidx=1#aaaaaaaaaaaboej | 04:33 |
| GentSir | The thing is. I had a 2.4 HS gpa. But I had a perfect 4.0 at the business school I went to, and a 3.8 in my year in college | 04:34 |
| GentSir | That 2.4 is seen by their automated gpa filter and my application isn't even looked at by a person | 04:34 |
| special | mm | 04:36 |
| special | those numbers don't matter for very long, at least | 04:37 |
| GentSir | I'm going to enroll in a private university here in Florida | 04:41 |
| GentSir | spend a couple years there, then take a look at my transfer options | 04:41 |
| GentSir | I love to code, it gives me a thrill that I can't describe. Maybe if I go get some insanely good grades at a couple years of university here and take the time to learn German then RWTH Aachen could be a good fit for me | 04:43 |
| GentSir | I like the self directed style of study a lot more than the hand holding here | 04:43 |
| chriadam | GentSir: have you seen Qt3D? if CCP allow developers to use low-res models of their ships, you could have a pretty sweet QML app in no time at all | 04:52 |
| chriadam | but I dunno what CCP allow or don't allow. | 04:52 |
| GentSir | chriadam, CCP is actually really friendly to 3rd party app designers | 04:54 |
| chriadam | sounds like a match made in heaven, then. | 04:54 |
| GentSir | I'm working on just getting to to display skills, currently training skill, basic wallet data | 04:55 |
| GentSir | I'll expand from there | 04:55 |
| GentSir | But my main focus is getting it to really integrate with the look and feel of Sailfish | 04:55 |
| GentSir | chriadam, but I think the idea of displaying actual 3d ship models is a little useless in a mobile app.CPP already makes them available for your viewing pleasure on their website: http://www.eveonline.com/universe/spaceships/tengu/ | 04:58 |
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| chriadam | GentSir: fair enough | 04:59 |
| GentSir | But it's certainly possible to extract the models from the client, and I've seen them used in some desktop apps such as EveHQ | 05:00 |
| GentSir | But I'm just working on the basics, don't want to overextend myself. Better to start simple and leave room for expansion | 05:01 |
| situ | Morning | 05:16 |
| GentSir | situ, morning mate | 05:17 |
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| niqt | morning | 06:58 |
| GentSir | morning | 06:58 |
| Yaniel | mornin | 07:07 |
| GentSir | I see europe is waking up | 07:09 |
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| niqt | :) | 07:11 |
| niqt | i waking up at 5:30 | 07:13 |
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| Yaniel | *.* | 07:14 |
| GentSir | I've been going to bed at 5 or so my time and getting up at midnight for awhile now | 07:14 |
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| GentSir | For all you Europeans, this is how University works in 'Murica: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=GkrTa4RMpDw | 07:43 |
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| GentSir | mikhas, o/ | 08:55 |
| mikhas | \o | 08:55 |
| GentSir | Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=GkrTa4RMpDw | 08:56 |
| GentSir | It's a parody, but it might show why I was dumbfounded at the idea of free University | 08:56 |
| mikhas | :-) | 08:59 |
| GentSir | You see tons of students graduating University with $50,000 or more in debt and moving back in with their parents because they "can't find a job" | 09:00 |
| GentSir | Though, that's mostly because they major in stuff like philosophy, or art, or dance, liberal arts, etc... | 09:01 |
| GentSir | Not Computer Sciences like people who want jobs | 09:07 |
| Yaniel | what is liberal arts actually? | 09:10 |
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| GentSir | You know the "General Ed" classes you take? Basic language, humanities, creative writing, stuff that's generally added to make you more cultured? Think of getting a degree that consists of taking only those classes. | 09:12 |
| Yaniel | umh | 09:13 |
| GentSir | Not saying those classes are worthless or anything like that | 09:14 |
| Yaniel | one can get a degree in common sense? interesting | 09:14 |
| GentSir | Common sense isn't so common among America's youth | 09:14 |
| GentSir | There's a serious entitlement culture | 09:15 |
| GentSir | Bringing this more on topic, it's often the same for how programming is taught here at the high/secondary school level. It's a complete joke, and the vast majority of freshman CompSci students have never written a line of code in their life. | 09:17 |
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| tj____ | who should you know programming when you enter a compsci program? you've come to learn about algorithms, data structures etc. not to code. of course you'll have to learn some coding in the process, but compsci isn't an engineering degree | 09:58 |
| tj____ | why | 09:58 |
| GentSir | tj____, I won't argue, that's a perfectly good point | 10:01 |
| Yaniel | there is coding and then there is programming | 10:01 |
| tj____ | at my school previous programming habits were actually not much valued during the first freshman courses, the introduction to programming course followed the SICP book and all exercises were done in scheme i doubt not many mastered that when starting the course | 10:02 |
| tj____ | many 19 year old freshman may have mad asm optimization skillz due to demo scene background since age of 9 around here but that won't help you to pass a course like that at all | 10:04 |
| GentSir | My point is that someone who has prior programming experience would be more passionate and interested in their studies | 10:04 |
| tj____ | sure if you're engineering/real world job oriented | 10:05 |
| tj____ | but it's a valid reason to enter a compsci program to become a "useless" academic and still be passionate about it ;) | 10:06 |
| GentSir | I wasn't talking about people who wanted to be academics their entire lives! | 10:07 |
| tj____ | ok | 10:07 |
| GentSir | Teaching is a noble and admirable profession, but at that level it should be done by someone with experience in the field | 10:07 |
| tj____ | sure it's sad for you if you struggle through the education and still can't do shit in the real world, i guess | 10:08 |
| tj____ | and staying at the uni isn't an option either | 10:08 |
| GentSir | Fair enough | 10:09 |
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