Wednesday, 2013-05-22

* lbt -> bed ... o/00:00
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iekkumorning04:31
dm8tbrgood moaning04:32
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TheBootroohi08:01
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TheBootrooI'm gonna install sailfish SDK, but i have a question : is the emulator target the same version of Sailfish as the one  presented on the Jolla Phone, or a very older one ?08:02
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Nicd-I think it's older08:04
Nicd-and it doesn't have many of the stuff the real OS has afaik08:04
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TheBootroodoes the current SDK support Qt5 already ?08:26
Stskeepsyes but not with qml componments08:27
TheBootrooi can't see myself going back to QtQuick 1 after having spent 8 months playing with 2.008:27
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TheBootrooStskeeps: what do you mean ? Sailfish component are not Qt5 ? or that Qt5 Quick Controls are not available ?08:28
Stskeepsthat they're not available for qt5 in the current sdk08:28
TheBootrooStskeeps: that too bad :-(08:28
TheBootrooi'm sad now :-((08:28
dathuion the other hand the sdk is just an alpha08:28
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TheBootrooStskeeps: do you plan a sdk update anytime soon ?08:29
TheBootrooi suppose the nice icons we saw on the jolla phone are not in sdk neither ?08:29
Stskeepscorrect08:29
TheBootroo:-(08:29
TheBootrooStskeeps: i had the N900, and N9, i just can't to play with the final JollaPhone08:30
TheBootroothe emulator is barely satisfying me atm08:30
TheBootroonot enough to play with08:31
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jake9xxTheBootroo: SDK update is in the works, we should release it soon08:33
TheBootroojake9xx: oh, great news08:33
TheBootroojake9xx: just the eternal question : what is 'soon' ? ;-)08:34
* TheBootroo is over excited08:34
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dathuidhbiker: nice quitmsg :)08:37
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dhbikerheh xD08:39
jake9xxTheBootroo: it's more than now but much less than never :)08:41
jake9xxTheBootroo: but I'd say latest during summer.08:41
TheBootroojake9xx: i'm in france, summer is far from started yet, we are having a really bad rainy and cold spring atm08:42
TheBootrooso summer seem real far to me08:42
dathuihere in sweden we went from winter to summer in like 1¬Ĺ weeks, it was crazy.08:43
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Sfiet_Konstantinfrecel: there is "one", it is the simulator image09:26
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edgarsbeeep09:33
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nenn3Anyone heard if there will there be an Google play/Apple app store equivalent for sailfishos when released on the Jolla phone?09:47
Yanielthere will09:48
nenn3Awesome!09:51
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jake9xxnenn3: there will be the Jolla app store (to be named in detail later)10:50
jake9xxnenn3: jolla is unlikely to ship with google play application for obivious reasons10:51
jake9xxnenn3: but any other apk source should be usable in addition (e.g. local country implementations & amazon)10:51
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wspilothas anyone used QGraphicsScene/setscene instead of QDeclarativeView/setSource?13:29
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rhn_mk1is there a SailFish/Maemo comparison available anywhere on the net?13:34
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rhn_mk1I'm curious about how much control of software sources the user will have13:35
Sfiet_Konstantinwspilot: why would you do that ?13:43
Sfiet_Konstantinrhn_mk1: we do not know yet13:43
Sfiet_Konstantinwspilot: sec13:43
Yanielmaybe the ogre port?13:43
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe13:43
Sfiet_Konstantinbut it is not "officially supported sadly"13:44
Sfiet_Konstantinshould work though13:44
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rhn_mk1Sfiet_Konstantin: thanks... hope it will be a "traditional" repository manager13:45
Sfiet_Konstantinrhn_mk1: it is RPM13:45
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rhn_mk1Sfiet_Konstantin: I mean the user interface portion. I imagine you could lock RPM to a single repo13:46
Sfiet_Konstantinrhn_mk1: well, why would you ?13:47
Sfiet_Konstantinand you have a terminal13:47
rhn_mk1Sfiet_Konstantin: that's what I'm trying to figure out - whether they will make it hard for community repos or not13:48
Sfiet_Konstantinrhn_mk1: don't think so13:48
rhn_mk1terminal is not much if you don't have the usual tools (gcc, bash, ssh/sshd, python, etc)13:49
Yanielyou do13:49
Yanieltake a look at the emulator13:49
Sfiet_KonstantinSSH is in13:49
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, you don't compile on ARM phone plz13:49
Sfiet_Konstantinpython is in13:50
Sfiet_Konstantinbash as well13:50
Sfiet_Konstantinet13:50
Sfiet_Konstantinc13:50
rhn_mk1doesn't the emulator have devel packages that will otherwise be unavailable?13:50
Sfiet_Konstantinit is a N90013:50
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Sfiet_Konstantinbasically13:50
rhn_mk1is it possible to try on a n900?13:50
Yanielin theory, I guess it is13:50
Yanielwell, atm we only have the emulator which is x86-based13:51
rhn_mk1hmm... does it run X?13:51
YanielAFAIK yes13:52
Yanielwould be interesting to see it move to wayland though13:52
rhn_mk1ssh -X is something I want to use again13:52
rhn_mk1btw, native compilation is much better if you just want to try if sth builds. saves time trying to set up a x86 toolchain13:53
Sfiet_Konstantinrhn_mk1: maybe VNC should be more suited13:55
rhn_mk1Sfiet_Konstantin: not when the other end has a different DPI13:55
rhn_mk1or resolution13:56
rhn_mk1...or is headless13:56
Sfiet_KonstantinVNC from N9 worked very well13:56
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wspilotdid anyone pick up the resolution of the jolla phone?14:26
Yanielit's not yet public14:26
dm8tbrI think the statement was 'some kind of HD'14:33
dm8tbrso I _personally_ would expect >=720x...14:34
TheBootroogimme at least 1280x800 and i will be happy14:34
YanielFYI 1280x800 is what my 13" laptop has14:36
YanielI don't want a 13" phone14:37
TheBootrooYaniel: my 13" ultrabook has full hd 1920x108014:37
wspiloti'll try a simple desktop app (just for fun)14:39
dm8tbrthe nexus 4 has 768x128014:39
wspilotdesktop works!14:40
FabianSI expect 1280x720.14:40
wspilotwould be nice14:40
TheBootroowith big screen mode through mini-hdmi14:42
TheBootroolike N8 or ubuntu phone14:42
TheBootrooi want to be able to plug my jolla phone on my HDTV14:42
FabianSIt's what the Gnexus and Nexus 7 have.14:43
wspilotsecond half as docking station > turn into PC14:44
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iekkuevening14:59
Sfiet_Konstantinhello iekku14:59
iekkuSfiet_Konstantin, you guys took sunshine with you. it's raining in helsinki :D15:02
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Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: :(15:04
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, it seems that I did not bring any sunshine with me, still cloudy in CH15:04
iekkuoh :/15:04
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Yanielso you lost it somewhere along the way :(15:12
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locusfhmm QTcpSocket: No such file or directory :/15:19
locusfdoes this mean there is no QNetwork module?15:19
locusfin the emulator env I mean15:20
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Yanieldoes your project have QT += network ?15:22
locusfnope, good point15:22
FabianSDoes Sailfish have sandboxing and a permission system for apps?15:24
JonniFabianS: do you want it to have? :)15:25
FabianSWould be good I think.15:26
FabianSI actually think that the intents-system is the best part of android.15:27
JonniFabianS: current answer is that in alpha sdk there is no sandboxing for native apps.15:27
FabianSWas there sanboxing in meego?15:28
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JonniFabianS: not really, or depends how you defice sandboxing.15:29
Jonnidefine even15:29
FabianSWell, a mandatory permission system.15:29
FabianSWith for example seperate users for each app.15:30
Jonnithen answer is that in meego there was no such thing15:30
Jonniin Harmattan there was Aegis, but I dont consider that to be sandboxing.15:31
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dm8tbrin MeeGo they were working on MSSF15:39
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flclohai21:25
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flclcan anyone help with starting examples? after openin pro-ject file, starting virualmachine and pressing Start21:28
flclthere is error trying connecting to emulator21:28
flclvm21:28
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flclis there any way to change connection settings or should i change vm's adapter settings?21:29
lbtflcl: what OS are you on?21:30
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lbt(and hi :) )21:31
flclubuntu 1321:31
Jonniflcl: solution to most of the connection errors can be found in here https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues21:33
lbtalso try this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Ubuntu_12.10_DNS21:33
lbtbut also do it for "SailfishOS Emulator"21:34
lbtVBoxManage modifyvm "SailfishOS Emulator" --natdnsproxy1 on21:34
lbtshould do the trick21:34
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lbtflcl: let us know if it works21:36
flcldoes sailfish sdk contain portable virtualbox or i can execute this in console?21:36
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lbtflcl: you should execute that in console21:39
lbtit doesn't contain virtualbox - you should have installed that as a pre-requisite21:39
flcloh21:41
flcl' VBoxManage modifyvm "SailfishOS Emulator" --natdnsproxy1 on' made it working21:41
flclthanks much!21:41
lbtgood, you're welcome21:41
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mosakhi i'm totaly new to IRC and further more to Sailfish22:05
mosaki have Q to sailfish team22:05
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ottulowelcome :)22:05
ottuloI'm not very new to IRC, but very much a beginner when it comes to programming22:06
mosakdo you plan any events for developers? to get started in app dev22:06
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mosakhi ottulo!22:07
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lbtmosak: we haven't announced any developer events yet22:08
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lbtbut there's lots of Qt tutorials out there for QML22:08
lbtwe're a bit lacking there at the moment :)22:08
ottuloand the online courses @ eliademy22:08
lbtyes - not heard any feedback on them22:09
ottuloI signed up but have been lazing off a bit too much lately...22:09
lbtplease tell us how you find them if you try them out22:09
ottulothe beginning was ok, although maybe not as well guided as I'd hoped - the Qt 101 that is22:09
ottulonot actually done much with Sailfish apart from Hello World :P22:09
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mosakok, is there any newsletter that i can signup?22:10
ottulothere's the dev mailing list for sailfish I think, although I didn't sign up on that...22:11
lbtnot really I'm afraid22:11
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mosakand second Q when will be premiere of Jolla? :D22:11
lbtottulo: yes, that's the main list22:11
lbtyou should join and feel free to ask questions22:11
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lbtmosak: we had a launch event just this week to show off the hardware design22:12
lbtthere's news from there22:13
ottulolbt: maybe I should, although I probably will mostly just lurk in hopes of any interesting bits22:13
lbtottulo: yep - and please feel free to ask questions as a new coder; so long as you've done some research and are stuck on something specific people can help you22:13
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mosakwhen do you plan to give devs ability to make apps in html522:18
mosakwhen do you plan to give devs ability to make apps in html5 ?22:18
mosaksorry for that:/22:18
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lbtnp - we've not announced any specific HTML5 APIs yet; Qt does provide it via webkit22:19
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mosakok thanks for info:) i will look into it and sign for mailing list to be up to date22:21
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