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| iekku | morning | 04:31 |
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| dm8tbr | good moaning | 04:32 |
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| TheBootroo | hi | 08:01 |
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| TheBootroo | I'm gonna install sailfish SDK, but i have a question : is the emulator target the same version of Sailfish as the one presented on the Jolla Phone, or a very older one ? | 08:02 |
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| Nicd- | I think it's older | 08:04 |
| Nicd- | and it doesn't have many of the stuff the real OS has afaik | 08:04 |
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| TheBootroo | does the current SDK support Qt5 already ? | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | yes but not with qml componments | 08:27 |
| TheBootroo | i can't see myself going back to QtQuick 1 after having spent 8 months playing with 2.0 | 08:27 |
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| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: what do you mean ? Sailfish component are not Qt5 ? or that Qt5 Quick Controls are not available ? | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | that they're not available for qt5 in the current sdk | 08:28 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: that too bad :-( | 08:28 |
| TheBootroo | i'm sad now :-(( | 08:28 |
| dathui | on the other hand the sdk is just an alpha | 08:28 |
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| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: do you plan a sdk update anytime soon ? | 08:29 |
| TheBootroo | i suppose the nice icons we saw on the jolla phone are not in sdk neither ? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 08:29 |
| TheBootroo | :-( | 08:29 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: i had the N900, and N9, i just can't to play with the final JollaPhone | 08:30 |
| TheBootroo | the emulator is barely satisfying me atm | 08:30 |
| TheBootroo | not enough to play with | 08:31 |
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| jake9xx | TheBootroo: SDK update is in the works, we should release it soon | 08:33 |
| TheBootroo | jake9xx: oh, great news | 08:33 |
| TheBootroo | jake9xx: just the eternal question : what is 'soon' ? ;-) | 08:34 |
| * TheBootroo is over excited | 08:34 | |
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| dathui | dhbiker: nice quitmsg :) | 08:37 |
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| dhbiker | heh xD | 08:39 |
| jake9xx | TheBootroo: it's more than now but much less than never :) | 08:41 |
| jake9xx | TheBootroo: but I'd say latest during summer. | 08:41 |
| TheBootroo | jake9xx: i'm in france, summer is far from started yet, we are having a really bad rainy and cold spring atm | 08:42 |
| TheBootroo | so summer seem real far to me | 08:42 |
| dathui | here in sweden we went from winter to summer in like 1½ weeks, it was crazy. | 08:43 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | frecel: there is "one", it is the simulator image | 09:26 |
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| edgars | beeep | 09:33 |
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| nenn3 | Anyone heard if there will there be an Google play/Apple app store equivalent for sailfishos when released on the Jolla phone? | 09:47 |
| Yaniel | there will | 09:48 |
| nenn3 | Awesome! | 09:51 |
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| jake9xx | nenn3: there will be the Jolla app store (to be named in detail later) | 10:50 |
| jake9xx | nenn3: jolla is unlikely to ship with google play application for obivious reasons | 10:51 |
| jake9xx | nenn3: but any other apk source should be usable in addition (e.g. local country implementations & amazon) | 10:51 |
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| wspilot | has anyone used QGraphicsScene/setscene instead of QDeclarativeView/setSource? | 13:29 |
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| rhn_mk1 | is there a SailFish/Maemo comparison available anywhere on the net? | 13:34 |
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| rhn_mk1 | I'm curious about how much control of software sources the user will have | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wspilot: why would you do that ? | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rhn_mk1: we do not know yet | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wspilot: sec | 13:43 |
| Yaniel | maybe the ogre port? | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but it is not "officially supported sadly" | 13:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | should work though | 13:44 |
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| rhn_mk1 | Sfiet_Konstantin: thanks... hope it will be a "traditional" repository manager | 13:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rhn_mk1: it is RPM | 13:45 |
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| rhn_mk1 | Sfiet_Konstantin: I mean the user interface portion. I imagine you could lock RPM to a single repo | 13:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rhn_mk1: well, why would you ? | 13:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and you have a terminal | 13:47 |
| rhn_mk1 | Sfiet_Konstantin: that's what I'm trying to figure out - whether they will make it hard for community repos or not | 13:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rhn_mk1: don't think so | 13:48 |
| rhn_mk1 | terminal is not much if you don't have the usual tools (gcc, bash, ssh/sshd, python, etc) | 13:49 |
| Yaniel | you do | 13:49 |
| Yaniel | take a look at the emulator | 13:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | SSH is in | 13:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, you don't compile on ARM phone plz | 13:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | python is in | 13:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | bash as well | 13:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | et | 13:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | c | 13:50 |
| rhn_mk1 | doesn't the emulator have devel packages that will otherwise be unavailable? | 13:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is a N900 | 13:50 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | basically | 13:50 |
| rhn_mk1 | is it possible to try on a n900? | 13:50 |
| Yaniel | in theory, I guess it is | 13:50 |
| Yaniel | well, atm we only have the emulator which is x86-based | 13:51 |
| rhn_mk1 | hmm... does it run X? | 13:51 |
| Yaniel | AFAIK yes | 13:52 |
| Yaniel | would be interesting to see it move to wayland though | 13:52 |
| rhn_mk1 | ssh -X is something I want to use again | 13:52 |
| rhn_mk1 | btw, native compilation is much better if you just want to try if sth builds. saves time trying to set up a x86 toolchain | 13:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rhn_mk1: maybe VNC should be more suited | 13:55 |
| rhn_mk1 | Sfiet_Konstantin: not when the other end has a different DPI | 13:55 |
| rhn_mk1 | or resolution | 13:56 |
| rhn_mk1 | ...or is headless | 13:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | VNC from N9 worked very well | 13:56 |
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| wspilot | did anyone pick up the resolution of the jolla phone? | 14:26 |
| Yaniel | it's not yet public | 14:26 |
| dm8tbr | I think the statement was 'some kind of HD' | 14:33 |
| dm8tbr | so I _personally_ would expect >=720x... | 14:34 |
| TheBootroo | gimme at least 1280x800 and i will be happy | 14:34 |
| Yaniel | FYI 1280x800 is what my 13" laptop has | 14:36 |
| Yaniel | I don't want a 13" phone | 14:37 |
| TheBootroo | Yaniel: my 13" ultrabook has full hd 1920x1080 | 14:37 |
| wspilot | i'll try a simple desktop app (just for fun) | 14:39 |
| dm8tbr | the nexus 4 has 768x1280 | 14:39 |
| wspilot | desktop works! | 14:40 |
| FabianS | I expect 1280x720. | 14:40 |
| wspilot | would be nice | 14:40 |
| TheBootroo | with big screen mode through mini-hdmi | 14:42 |
| TheBootroo | like N8 or ubuntu phone | 14:42 |
| TheBootroo | i want to be able to plug my jolla phone on my HDTV | 14:42 |
| FabianS | It's what the Gnexus and Nexus 7 have. | 14:43 |
| wspilot | second half as docking station > turn into PC | 14:44 |
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| iekku | evening | 14:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello iekku | 14:59 |
| iekku | Sfiet_Konstantin, you guys took sunshine with you. it's raining in helsinki :D | 15:02 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | iekku: :( | 15:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, it seems that I did not bring any sunshine with me, still cloudy in CH | 15:04 |
| iekku | oh :/ | 15:04 |
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| Yaniel | so you lost it somewhere along the way :( | 15:12 |
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| locusf | hmm QTcpSocket: No such file or directory :/ | 15:19 |
| locusf | does this mean there is no QNetwork module? | 15:19 |
| locusf | in the emulator env I mean | 15:20 |
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| Yaniel | does your project have QT += network ? | 15:22 |
| locusf | nope, good point | 15:22 |
| FabianS | Does Sailfish have sandboxing and a permission system for apps? | 15:24 |
| Jonni | FabianS: do you want it to have? :) | 15:25 |
| FabianS | Would be good I think. | 15:26 |
| FabianS | I actually think that the intents-system is the best part of android. | 15:27 |
| Jonni | FabianS: current answer is that in alpha sdk there is no sandboxing for native apps. | 15:27 |
| FabianS | Was there sanboxing in meego? | 15:28 |
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| Jonni | FabianS: not really, or depends how you defice sandboxing. | 15:29 |
| Jonni | define even | 15:29 |
| FabianS | Well, a mandatory permission system. | 15:29 |
| FabianS | With for example seperate users for each app. | 15:30 |
| Jonni | then answer is that in meego there was no such thing | 15:30 |
| Jonni | in Harmattan there was Aegis, but I dont consider that to be sandboxing. | 15:31 |
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| dm8tbr | in MeeGo they were working on MSSF | 15:39 |
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| faenil | o/ | 18:56 |
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| flcl | ohai | 21:25 |
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| flcl | can anyone help with starting examples? after openin pro-ject file, starting virualmachine and pressing Start | 21:28 |
| flcl | there is error trying connecting to emulator | 21:28 |
| flcl | vm | 21:28 |
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| flcl | is there any way to change connection settings or should i change vm's adapter settings? | 21:29 |
| lbt | flcl: what OS are you on? | 21:30 |
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| lbt | (and hi :) ) | 21:31 |
| flcl | ubuntu 13 | 21:31 |
| Jonni | flcl: solution to most of the connection errors can be found in here https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues | 21:33 |
| lbt | also try this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Ubuntu_12.10_DNS | 21:33 |
| lbt | but also do it for "SailfishOS Emulator" | 21:34 |
| lbt | VBoxManage modifyvm "SailfishOS Emulator" --natdnsproxy1 on | 21:34 |
| lbt | should do the trick | 21:34 |
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| lbt | flcl: let us know if it works | 21:36 |
| flcl | does sailfish sdk contain portable virtualbox or i can execute this in console? | 21:36 |
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| lbt | flcl: you should execute that in console | 21:39 |
| lbt | it doesn't contain virtualbox - you should have installed that as a pre-requisite | 21:39 |
| flcl | oh | 21:41 |
| flcl | ' VBoxManage modifyvm "SailfishOS Emulator" --natdnsproxy1 on' made it working | 21:41 |
| flcl | thanks much! | 21:41 |
| lbt | good, you're welcome | 21:41 |
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| mosak | hi i'm totaly new to IRC and further more to Sailfish | 22:05 |
| mosak | i have Q to sailfish team | 22:05 |
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| ottulo | welcome :) | 22:05 |
| ottulo | I'm not very new to IRC, but very much a beginner when it comes to programming | 22:06 |
| mosak | do you plan any events for developers? to get started in app dev | 22:06 |
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| mosak | hi ottulo! | 22:07 |
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| lbt | mosak: we haven't announced any developer events yet | 22:08 |
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| lbt | but there's lots of Qt tutorials out there for QML | 22:08 |
| lbt | we're a bit lacking there at the moment :) | 22:08 |
| ottulo | and the online courses @ eliademy | 22:08 |
| lbt | yes - not heard any feedback on them | 22:09 |
| ottulo | I signed up but have been lazing off a bit too much lately... | 22:09 |
| lbt | please tell us how you find them if you try them out | 22:09 |
| ottulo | the beginning was ok, although maybe not as well guided as I'd hoped - the Qt 101 that is | 22:09 |
| ottulo | not actually done much with Sailfish apart from Hello World :P | 22:09 |
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| mosak | ok, is there any newsletter that i can signup? | 22:10 |
| ottulo | there's the dev mailing list for sailfish I think, although I didn't sign up on that... | 22:11 |
| lbt | not really I'm afraid | 22:11 |
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| mosak | and second Q when will be premiere of Jolla? :D | 22:11 |
| lbt | ottulo: yes, that's the main list | 22:11 |
| lbt | you should join and feel free to ask questions | 22:11 |
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| lbt | mosak: we had a launch event just this week to show off the hardware design | 22:12 |
| lbt | there's news from there | 22:13 |
| ottulo | lbt: maybe I should, although I probably will mostly just lurk in hopes of any interesting bits | 22:13 |
| lbt | ottulo: yep - and please feel free to ask questions as a new coder; so long as you've done some research and are stuck on something specific people can help you | 22:13 |
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| mosak | when do you plan to give devs ability to make apps in html5 | 22:18 |
| mosak | when do you plan to give devs ability to make apps in html5 ? | 22:18 |
| mosak | sorry for that:/ | 22:18 |
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| lbt | np - we've not announced any specific HTML5 APIs yet; Qt does provide it via webkit | 22:19 |
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| mosak | ok thanks for info:) i will look into it and sign for mailing list to be up to date | 22:21 |
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