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| tortoisedoc | any of you guys having problems accessing the yandex store? | 06:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | I cant seem to get any connection through to it | 06:25 |
| * Stskeeps tries | 06:28 | |
| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: i seem to have problems too | 06:29 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : and this since yesterday | 06:29 |
| tortoisedoc | :| | 06:29 |
| tortoisedoc | hopefully nothing big.. | 06:29 |
| tortoisedoc | would suck for Jolla to get issues with Yandex now | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah, there it connected | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | try a reboot | 06:29 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 06:29 |
| tortoisedoc | ok | 06:29 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : after reboot, server not available | 06:37 |
| tortoisedoc | cant get to main page of yandex even | 06:37 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | 3g or wifi? | 06:37 |
| tortoisedoc | 3g | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 06:38 |
| tortoisedoc | restarting 3g | 06:38 |
| tortoisedoc | ok now it connects | 06:38 |
| tortoisedoc | but still no connectivity on search :| | 06:38 |
| Bloob | saw this same problem reported on jollausers forums | 06:38 |
| tortoisedoc | crap | 06:38 |
| tortoisedoc | yandex store is aliendalvik right? | 06:39 |
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| tortoisedoc | oooooooh | 06:49 |
| tortoisedoc | it started working :D | 06:49 |
| tortoisedoc | crap | 06:51 |
| tortoisedoc | it keeps on working / non working / working / non working | 06:51 |
| tortoisedoc | also settings dialog | 06:51 |
| tortoisedoc | (for yandex) | 06:51 |
| tortoisedoc | seems to be completely uninfluential | 06:51 |
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| tomyri | anyone using emulator with virtualbox 4.3.4? | 08:22 |
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| tomyri | works fine with 4.3.2 but no picture with 4.3.4 | 08:23 |
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| tortoisedoc | btw | 10:51 |
| tortoisedoc | emoticons seem to be not displayed properly in the messages | 10:51 |
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| nander | How dangerous is it to install sailfish on a n9? | 10:52 |
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| coderus | hello! releases.jolla.com not responding. anyone experiencing same? | 11:07 |
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| SfietKonstantin | nander: as dangerous as installing nemo | 11:18 |
| SfietKonstantin | coderus: yep, nothing | 11:18 |
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| faenil | coderus, try https://releases.jollamobile.com | 11:20 |
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| tortoisedoc | faenil : auth requested? | 11:24 |
| faenil | tortoisedoc, yes, it's not public :P | 11:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | faenil: accessible from device? | 11:25 |
| faenil | tortoisedoc, no, I didn't notice coderus wrote jolla, not jollamobile | 11:25 |
| tortoisedoc | faenil : ah, so now there is a SECRET repo? ;) | 11:26 |
| faenil | tortoisedoc, nah :) | 11:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: :P | 11:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what's the point of testing this | 11:27 |
| faenil | ? | 11:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | of saying this | 11:28 |
| coderus | faenil: faenil jollamobile ping okay | 11:29 |
| coderus | is releases.jolla.com under maintenace or moved? | 11:29 |
| MFaro-Tusino | faenil: any idea on which developers get access to that section of sw updates? | 11:31 |
| tortoisedoc | MFaro-Tusino : excellent question | 11:31 |
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| tortoisedoc | I guess updates are propagated to devices who enabled for them right? | 11:32 |
| MFaro-Tusino | well you need to authenticate yourself in settings, so it will more then likely add a beta-updates repo with auth credentials in ssu | 11:33 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Just like the WP Preview for developers app enables a new update repo | 11:33 |
| tortoisedoc | MFaro-tusino : and the auth params in settings are the same as the OBS ones? | 11:34 |
| MFaro-Tusino | i am not sure | 11:35 |
| tortoisedoc | any other sailor who can help on this question? ^ | 11:36 |
| MFaro-Tusino | how do i disable the frame rate setting via command? | 11:37 |
| MFaro-Tusino | ping faenil | 11:37 |
| lbt | which question? | 11:37 |
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| tortoisedoc | lbt : and the auth params in settings are the same as the OBS ones? | 11:37 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt : meaning the "developer updates" credentials | 11:37 |
| lbt | those credentials are used to access ssu repos - see ssu src in nemomobile | 11:39 |
| MFaro-Tusino | lbt: any chance you know how to disable the framerate setting under display settings? | 11:40 |
| MFaro-Tusino | via command line i mean | 11:40 |
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| lbt | no, sorry | 11:41 |
| MFaro-Tusino | all good | 11:41 |
| MFaro-Tusino | my screen is just very distorted right now, reboot didn't solve | 11:41 |
| lbt | distorted? | 11:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | i'll show you on twitter | 11:43 |
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| lbt | I don't really use twitter | 11:43 |
| lbt | here is better :) | 11:44 |
| coderus | MFaro-Tusino: read instruction on TMO | 11:44 |
| coderus | there gconf key for that | 11:44 |
| MFaro-Tusino | link coderus? | 11:44 |
| coderus | searching it now :) | 11:45 |
| MFaro-Tusino | ty | 11:45 |
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| coderus | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1393483&postcount=397 | 11:47 |
| coderus | in the bottom info | 11:50 |
| coderus | Note: When in developer mode, DO NOT ENABLE FRAME RATE DISPLAY | 11:50 |
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| nander | Why? Does it grant you a smoke generator OTH? | 11:51 |
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| tortoisedoc | coderus: works fine for me? | 11:52 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: what are you talking about& | 11:53 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | yes, see i didm;t follow that guide coderus., hence didn't see the warning, though it didn't work for me, as it wasn't there in the gconf file | 11:53 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus -> Note: When in developer mode, DO NOT ENABLE FRAME RATE DISPLAY | 11:54 |
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| zuh | Umm | 11:57 |
| zuh | The random colors are actually the frame rate display I believe... | 11:58 |
| zuh | :) | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | if it's constantly red, it's a good sign of why there's no official sailfish for n950/n90 | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:58 |
| zuh | Well, could be broken rendering after enabling it of course, but... | 11:59 |
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| coderus | any info why releses.jolla.com not responding? | 12:18 |
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| valdur55 | coderus: goot mark about frame rate display ;D | 12:25 |
| MFaro-Tusino | isn't it releases.jollamobile.com? | 12:26 |
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| valdur55 | For Proximity sensor , we can do init script for that... | 12:30 |
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| coderus | MFaro-Tusino: no. https://github.com/martinbrook/jolla-n950-kickstart/blob/master/jolla-n950-kickstart | 12:35 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yes, i know what his ks says | 12:36 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I just thought it was jollamobile, did you try jollamobile by any chance? | 12:37 |
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| Venemo | okay, stupid question here | 12:44 |
| Venemo | how did those guys get hold of a sailfish image for the N9x0? | 12:44 |
| Venemo | I thought that jolla won't release such an image + the non-nemo sailfish parts are closed | 12:45 |
| Nicd- | from a jolla phone? | 12:46 |
| Venemo | ah, they hacked it out from a poor jolla phone? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: we're also at same time saying it'll be possible to install sailfish on android devices | 12:46 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: yes, I heard that. I was surprised why you didn't say N9 and N950 when you say androids | 12:47 |
| nander | So sailfish will be more open than it is right now? | 12:47 |
| nander | The N9 doesn't have strong hardware | 12:47 |
| Nicd- | Venemo: yeah, N950 is armv7 too so the binaries could run | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: well, if you enable FPS meter on n950/n9 it'll show a lot of red, a lot of tearing, hw that doesn't work, and it's images jolla cannot distribute due to clauses in hw adaptation | 12:47 |
| nander | It might not be enough to officially support them | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: it's technically possible and community has been able to do it, but it's not a jolla offering | 12:47 |
| nander | A contract with nokia? | 12:48 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: but don't the same clauses prevent jolla from distributing it for androids? | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: well, hw adaptations being nokia's, and who says we need to distribute android hw adaptation bits? :P | 12:48 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: okay | 12:48 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Venemo: I'm running it on both N9/50 and its great as a dev device for now | 12:48 |
| nander | It could be negociated by nokia: we allow you to use meego, including all patents that may be on it, in exchange for staying clear of our devices | 12:48 |
| Venemo | anyway, I think I'll just wait for the jolla phone instead | 12:49 |
| nander | You have a n950.. I'm jealous | 12:49 |
| Venemo | I have it too, why are you jealous? | 12:49 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I have 2 N950s | 12:49 |
| nander | why do you think? | 12:49 |
| Venemo | dunno | 12:49 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I know those with more than me | 12:49 |
| nander | I only have a n9 ;) | 12:50 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: anyway, does the jolla phone use libhybris and android hw adaptation for the qualcomm chip or did you manage to make a custom hw adaptation? | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: libhybris, android hw adaptation | 12:50 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: that's what I thought! | 12:50 |
| MFaro-Tusino | ^ good to know | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's unrealistic to make a full qualcomm hw adaptation with the resources we have | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | and it isn't even physically possible | 12:51 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: don't worry, I'm aware of the situation :) | 12:51 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I kind of have been suspecting that this'll be the case | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: it's workign surprisingily well. | 12:51 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: out of curiosity, why didn't you pick a chip which has a non-android adaptation, like the tegra? or something. | 12:52 |
| Venemo | qualcomm is like, the arch-evil of chipmakers | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: we did, originally and that caused us to have to switch chip | 12:52 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: what happened? | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: the story's somewhere in a finnish interview, but needless to say, we switched chipset in spring | 12:53 |
| leinir | not all manufacturers who say they care about being open actually care about being open? ;) | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | also | 12:53 |
| * Stskeeps takes X11 out the back and shoots it | 12:53 | |
| leinir | Stskeeps: i thought that's what you did in spring? ;) | 12:53 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: ah, is that why the promised shipping dates also slipped? | 12:53 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: what about making an Intel Haswell device ? | 12:54 |
| TheBootroo | linux and wayland runs perfectly on it | 12:54 |
| leinir | ultrabook | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: no comment on that | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: sailfish runs fine on x86 | 12:54 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: yeah (emulator ...) | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but people have run it on x86 tablets too | 12:55 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: yeah, you could've used an intel chip in the jolla | 12:55 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: so maybe if intel does yet a little more progress on energy consumption, next Jolla on Intel ? | 12:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: i don't know specifics, but i'm fairly certain that the BoM of a intel design vs BoM of a qualcomm design, qualcomm wins.. | 12:55 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: BoM=? | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | bill of materials | 12:56 |
| TheBootroo | yeah BoM ? | 12:56 |
| Venemo | ah | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | ie, what the phone really costs | 12:56 |
| TheBootroo | oh ok | 12:56 |
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| Venemo | so Intel'd've been more expensive | 12:56 |
| TheBootroo | yeah x86 always more expensive than ARM | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | typically you divide into a HW BoM and a SW BoM (licenses, 3rd party apps, etc) | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | and no, i'm not telling you what the jolla ones are | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:56 |
| Venemo | we didn't even ask | 12:56 |
| Venemo | :P | 12:56 |
| TheBootroo | hehe | 12:56 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: he knows us ;-) | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: are you carsten? | 12:57 |
| TheBootroo | Nicd-: yes he is | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | ok | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:57 |
| TheBootroo | Mister Carsten Munsk | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | (munk, not 'raster') | 12:57 |
| MFaro-Tusino | stskeeps: Doubt the community is as bad as the ifanboys who spend months tracing the BoM and prove how overpriced it is hahah | 12:58 |
| Venemo | I honestly don't care about BoM that much | 12:58 |
| Venemo | my money went to a company that supports a cause I believe in, and that's enough to know | 12:59 |
| TheBootroo | MFaro-Tusino: what is the most expensive in an iDevice is the little half-eaten apple thing on it | 12:59 |
| MFaro-Tusino | venemo: hence why I said the community isn't as bad as them - we support our own | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | #Jolla #droptest I have done it twice: 40 cm to linoleum floor, and 100cm to ceramic tiles face down. Result: Not even scratch #lousypockets | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | thank you, clumsy community | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:00 |
| Venemo | lol Stskeeps | 13:00 |
| MFaro-Tusino | hahah | 13:00 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: did the other half fly off the device? | 13:00 |
| TheBootroo | \o/ | 13:00 |
| leinir | now, you see, there's an other half for you - rubber-surfaced super-grippy one ;) | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: just some guy on twitter | 13:00 |
| Nicd- | bound to happen some day | 13:00 |
| Venemo | lol | 13:00 |
| Nicd- | broke my N900 that way :( | 13:00 |
| leinir | smooth is all pretty and stuff, but... i like my devices to not fly out of my hand ;) | 13:00 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: link please | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | https://twitter.com/harriheikkila/status/410029222703280129 | 13:01 |
| Nicd- | I actually like the Jolla physically, I think it's easier to grip than the Lumia 900 I had | 13:01 |
| Venemo | I actually dropped my N9 a couple of times. the display remains unscathed but the corners are all deformed | 13:01 |
| leinir | yeah, i tried (last winter) to snap a shot of the first frost... and kind of dropped it from about two meters onto concrete. Nothing happened, not a scratch :) | 13:02 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: don't be mean to X11. It just works most of the time :/ | 13:05 |
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| Stskeeps | sharpneli: mcompositor :( | 13:09 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Yeah when making a window manager/X server it's horrible. But in general it's kinda nice for client programs. | 13:12 |
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| MMx | hi, is it already possible to create a "packaged webApp" in HTML5 for SailfishOS? E.g. with Cordova or even with the SailfishSDK? The info on HTML5 on the developer page sounds more like this could be a future feature. | 14:21 |
| MMx | I don't need any hardware access really, only a network connection | 14:21 |
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| MMx | it's supposed to be something like a remote control for an embedded device, so HTML and some API calls only | 14:22 |
| nander | You can use js in QML | 14:22 |
| MMx | well, I want it to run on Android, too | 14:22 |
| nander | I think QT can export to droid | 14:23 |
| MMx | hm | 14:23 |
| MMx | I'd really prefer pure HTML with JS though | 14:24 |
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| MMx | maybe I want to run it on FirefoxOS, too, so I want to keep that option open | 14:25 |
| TheBootroo | MMx: just use QML + JS, it works on Android and iOS too, and far more powerfull and more integrated with SDK | 14:26 |
| TheBootroo | webApp is evil. Period. | 14:27 |
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| MMx | and how do I port that to FirefoxOS later? ;) | 14:27 |
| TheBootroo | even Tizen has Qt support so not too long to wait before firefoxOs gets it too i think | 14:27 |
| Venemo | MMx: I think you could just embed the HTML into a Qt app in a web view, not sure if there is a better alternative | 14:28 |
| MMx | TheBootroo: if I would want to go for QML, which SDK supports Sailfish and Android? Or do I have to use two SDKs for that? | 14:28 |
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| Yaniel | yes | 14:29 |
| MMx | :( | 14:29 |
| TheBootroo | MMx just do the loginc in JS file, custom components if any in pure QML, and just the main view in sailfish Silica for better integration (one more file for Jolla) | 14:29 |
| lbt | I think HTML5 app support would be something that Nemomobile (and/or Mer) would be interested in - and then that would likely get picked up by Sailfish | 14:29 |
| TheBootroo | most code will be shared a a few more specific | 14:30 |
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| MMx | hm, looks like this project is going to be far more effort than expected | 14:30 |
| TheBootroo | MMx: not really, the Jolla specific stuff is mostly packaging | 14:31 |
| Venemo | lbt: is there an HTML5 app story at the moment? | 14:31 |
| MMx | well, I have to learn QML first | 14:31 |
| TheBootroo | the app can be plain QtQuick it just won't be able to use Covers or pulleyMenu | 14:31 |
| TheBootroo | MMx: if you already know JS and also CSS, it'll quite straightforward | 14:31 |
| lbt | Venemo: in Mer, Sailfish or anywhere? (same to all really : "no") | 14:31 |
| MMx | TheBootroo: ok... | 14:32 |
| Venemo | lbt: okay! | 14:32 |
| TheBootroo | personnally, i won't install apps on my phone that don't use the Silica Toolkit because they won't be really nice to use | 14:32 |
| lbt | Venemo: Cordova | 14:32 |
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| TheBootroo | ui won't use Ambience, Pulleys, Pages, Font, Covers etc | 14:32 |
| MMx | TheBootroo: but I still doubt that FirefoxOS will get Qt any time soon, looking at the system architecture | 14:33 |
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| Venemo | lbt: you mean this? http://cordova.apache.org/ | 14:33 |
| TheBootroo | MMx: they have a linux kernel somewhere in it afaik, so it'll get qt anytime soon | 14:33 |
| lbt | Venemo: yes | 14:33 |
| Venemo | lbt: so why did you say no earlier? | 14:34 |
| MMx | yeah, but no Linux-like display manager IIRC | 14:34 |
| TheBootroo | MMx: for my part i don't see any interest in this html cheap copy of android | 14:34 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo, MMx: the Firefox OS guys have said many times that they want their app story to be plain HTML5, no native development at all | 14:34 |
| lbt | Venemo: I thought you meant "ready"; as in a cohesive story. There are lots of components and a definite direction ... but nothing practical today | 14:35 |
| MMx | Venemo: yes. | 14:35 |
| TheBootroo | no techological interest, and philosophically neither | 14:35 |
| Venemo | lbt: ah, I did mean that, yes | 14:35 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: ok so philosophically they are even the perfect opposite of my ideal, so i keep on seeing no interest in it at all | 14:35 |
| MMx | so to sum up: currently it is not possible to create a HTML5-based app for Sailfish, even with all the drawbacks of not having native UI? | 14:36 |
| TheBootroo | MMx: yep | 14:36 |
| lbt | MMx: well | 14:36 |
| TheBootroo | MMx: you will need at least a Qt wrapped around it to show the html app | 14:36 |
| Venemo | MMx: I think it's possible to do what I said, use a web view and embed the HTML5-based app in it | 14:36 |
| TheBootroo | and so, use the SDK and packaging too | 14:36 |
| lbt | if you include a package manager and APIs like cordova then "no" | 14:36 |
| * MMx doesn't care about native look-and-feel for this project for now, he just doesn't want to use a plain webpage in a browser | 14:36 | |
| lbt | <repository name="latest_armv7hl"> | 14:37 |
| lbt | <path project="sailfishos:1.0.0.5" repository="latest_armv7hl"/> | 14:37 |
| lbt | <arch>armv8el</arch> | 14:37 |
| lbt | </repository> | 14:37 |
| lbt | oops | 14:37 |
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| MMx | ok | 14:37 |
| TheBootroo | MMx: what is the point of non native look and feel on a mobile ? that makes most app that doesn't respect it reallty less usable than native ones | 14:37 |
| lbt | MMx: you can explore HTML5 apps but it would be wrong to mislead you into thinking it was a full blown/supported environment | 14:38 |
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| lbt | eg you could make an HTML5 app, package it in RPM and use a trivial 10line QtWebkit wrapper to run it | 14:39 |
| lbt | I think | 14:39 |
| Venemo | that's what I said | 14:39 |
| lbt | sry :) | 14:39 |
| MMx | TheBootroo: I know, but for this particular project I am willing to compromise, if it works and I don't have to spend weeks on making it work. | 14:39 |
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| MMx | lbt, Venemo: thanks for the pointers, maybe I'll start with creating the content as a webpage and then see how I can package it. | 14:41 |
| MMx | or look at QML after all, if time permits | 14:41 |
| Venemo | MMx: QML is worth to learn, but I can understand if you don't have the time | 14:42 |
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| Venemo | MFaro-Tusino: ping | 14:54 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | yes Venemo ? | 14:54 |
| Venemo | MFaro-Tusino: I'm replying to your tweet :P | 14:54 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Venemo: Ahh - great! | 14:54 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I'm just touching up a few things | 14:54 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I want to make a better sailfish roots for the N9 than the one we have - that has someones contacts, and call log, and messages, and wifi networks :p | 14:55 |
| Venemo | the one we have doesn't have those? lol | 14:55 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Which one do you have? | 14:56 |
| MFaro-Tusino | The one I got had it haha | 14:56 |
| Venemo | I didn't bother with trying any | 14:56 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Should I do only the default apps? Or add a few preinstalls people may appreciate? | 14:57 |
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| Venemo | dunno, I guess you could add some stuff | 14:57 |
| MFaro-Tusino | well this had android support, which doesn't work, so no need to have it take up space | 14:58 |
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| Venemo | allright MFaro-Tusino I'll be back in a bit | 15:04 |
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| Wnt | cool, the platform got it's first update today! https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-December/001693.html | 15:05 |
| TheBootroo | Wnt: since i don't have any device yet, i would be more excited for a SDK update.... | 15:06 |
| lbt | [09/12/2013 14:53] * lbt looks at new target on OBS | 15:07 |
| lbt | you guys just don't spot the clues | 15:07 |
| lbt | :) | 15:07 |
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| Wnt | lbt: hehe | 15:07 |
| Wnt | TheBootroo: yeah, I would love a SDK update too! | 15:08 |
| TheBootroo | lbt: we spotted your clues, don't worry | 15:09 |
| Wnt | I think I'll postpone the start of my second application until the SDK supports correct icon locations and easy deployment to the device | 15:09 |
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| lbt | Wnt: should be soon - in the meantime : https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish_SDK_Hacks works *really* nicely for me | 15:10 |
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| lbt | I use the SDK to do the QML/C++ editing and then run : mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl make && mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -d Jolla_custom deploy --pkcon to push to device | 15:11 |
| lbt | (in ssh shell in VM) | 15:11 |
| Wnt | lbt: ok. looked at those instructions yesterday too | 15:11 |
| lbt | I know the guys are working hard on the update | 15:11 |
| Venemo | man, srsly? why do I have to rename my QML imports to start with 'harbour'? | 15:11 |
| Venemo | that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard | 15:12 |
| w00t | Venemo: sandboxing | 15:12 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: one import to rule them all | 15:12 |
| lbt | w00t: why doesn't the QML path just include /usr/share/harbour-appname ? | 15:13 |
| Venemo | w00t: does the rule still apply if the qml import is registered inside the app? | 15:13 |
| lbt | is it booster related? | 15:14 |
| Venemo | no, and the qml files are embedded in the executable as Qt resources | 15:14 |
| Venemo | so they'd definitely not affect the sandbox | 15:14 |
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| lbt | did QA reject it ? | 15:15 |
| Venemo | no, I just read the FAQ | 15:15 |
| lbt | oh | 15:15 |
| Venemo | also, do you support SVG app icons? | 15:15 |
| w00t | not path sandboxing (though we do that too) | 15:15 |
| w00t | we don't want you to use every API on the device for compatibility reasons, so either: we whitelist allowed APIs and don't allow you to use anything, or we give you a prefix you can use so we know it's "ok" | 15:15 |
| w00t | Venemo: i'd have to double check, but i'm pretty sure it's png only | 15:16 |
| Venemo | what's the reason for that? | 15:16 |
| w00t | svg rendering is slow | 15:16 |
| Venemo | it's not that slow and you could cache it as png if you wanted to | 15:16 |
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| w00t | yes, that's what we're making you do ;) | 15:16 |
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| Venemo | I see, but then how will it scale for other resolutions? | 15:17 |
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| w00t | the path includes resolution information | 15:18 |
| Venemo | for example, let's say you release a "jolla 2" next year with the same screen size but double the DPI. obviously, every app icon will need to be replaced | 15:18 |
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| Venemo | why not spare everyone the misery and just use svg instead, like normal people do? | 15:19 |
| w00t | I just told you why :-p | 15:19 |
| Venemo | you told me the crappiest excuse ever | 15:19 |
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| w00t | go and read up on the svg format, and benchmark the implementation in qtsvg, and then you'll start to understand | 15:20 |
| Venemo | that's why I said you can cache it in png | 15:20 |
| lbt | Venemo: sounds like upstream Qt isn't caching rendering | 15:20 |
| Venemo | but this way we'll have to remake all our app icons next year | 15:20 |
| w00t | yes, given infinite manpower, you could do all sorts of things | 15:20 |
| w00t | we don't have that infinite manpower | 15:20 |
| lbt | Venemo: on the plus side it's an opportunity for a makeover | 15:21 |
| Venemo | ok, no comment on that | 15:22 |
| lbt | hey, when you're as knackered as we are you have to look on the positive side :) | 15:22 |
| TheBootroo | w00t: doesn't symbian 3 use svg icons by default ? but symbian phones are far less powerfull than the jolla ? | 15:22 |
| lbt | I wonder why Qt can't cache the images - or maybe it doesn't persist the cache | 15:22 |
| lbt | probably the non-persistent bit | 15:23 |
| w00t | part of the problem is what you're talking about when you say "svg", given that the spec itself allows for running javascript and all sorts of crazy | 15:24 |
| Venemo | what should be the value of X-Nemo-Application-Type when my app is Qt5 based but doesn't use silica? | 15:24 |
| lbt | ah, I didn't know it was that non-deteministic | 15:24 |
| w00t | Venemo: are you using QML? | 15:25 |
| TheBootroo | w00t: just allow SVG Tiny and you're done | 15:25 |
| TheBootroo | SVG Tiny is to SVG what GLES is to OpenGL | 15:26 |
| Venemo | w00t: yes | 15:26 |
| w00t | Venemo: i'd just try use the silica one anyway - you'll benefit from the same tricks it does for speedup, there won't be any real downside | 15:27 |
| Venemo | w00t: OK. what is the API for the stuff? is it the same as the old harmattan mdeclarativecache? | 15:27 |
| w00t | Venemo: yes. or, if you're up to it, there's libsailfishapp (from the default sdk template) | 15:28 |
| Venemo | w00t: what's that? | 15:29 |
| w00t | Venemo: basically a small helper to keep the changes required to your code at an absolute minimum | 15:29 |
| w00t | I don't have the application SDK to hand, so I can't guide you around it much | 15:29 |
| Venemo | w00t: umm, what changes required to my code? | 15:30 |
| w00t | http://qtl.me/sailfishapp.prf & http://qtl.me/sailfishapp.h | 15:31 |
| Venemo | do you mean the thingy that's used in the sdk examples? | 15:32 |
| Venemo | how is this better than the MDeclarativeCache API? | 15:32 |
| locusf | kontio: thanks for helping Dorota to clear up the issues on my application, more clearer now :) | 15:33 |
| TheBootroo | w00t: Sailfish still uses bits from old MeeGoTouchFrameWork ? | 15:33 |
| w00t | it involves less ifdefs (since it does most of the work for you), it's specifically set up for setting the right properties and so on, all the time, not just when boosted - for example we require QQuickWindow::setDefaultAlphaBuffer(true) to get proper transparent covers, etc | 15:34 |
| kontio | locusf: ah yeah it's about the multiple instances running | 15:34 |
| w00t | TheBootroo: not anything more than a "M" prefix on names here and there, we haven't had anything involving meegotouch since .. a long long time ago | 15:34 |
| locusf | kontio: yes, is X-Nemo-Single-Instance=yes enough? my launcher doesn't use invoker as its not in libsailfishapp format | 15:35 |
| TheBootroo | w00t: ok | 15:35 |
| Venemo | w00t: I don't understand. I need a bunch of ifdefs just to support Sailfish anyway, how does an additional Sailfish-specific API make it any simpler? | 15:35 |
| kontio | w00t: or thp can you help locusf with X-Nemo-Single-Instance=yes stuff, I don't know exactly how it works... | 15:35 |
| locusf | kontio: about the second issue, I don't know how to zoom the SilicaWebview | 15:35 |
| w00t | locusf: sup | 15:36 |
| locusf | w00t: Actual result: | 15:36 |
| locusf | On the screen there is two Active cover the application, so it means that there are 2 instances of the same application running at the same time | 15:36 |
| locusf | Expected result: there should be only one Active cover of this apps | 15:36 |
| w00t | Venemo: you don't need to Q_DECL_EXPORT your main just for sailfish, you don't need to set up a bunch of crap in your build system to get it to the right paths, etc, etc - if you don't want to use it, just don't, nobody is holding a gun to your head | 15:36 |
| locusf | so I guess I need the X-Nemo-Single-Instance | 15:36 |
| w00t | locusf: the default should be single instance | 15:36 |
| w00t | locusf: can you give me an RPM? | 15:37 |
| locusf | w00t: sure, a moment | 15:37 |
| Venemo | w00t: I'm just saying that I already have a bunch of ifdefs to support various weird platforms and I'm not sure how this would help me any more | 15:37 |
| w00t | Venemo: for your particular case, maybe it doesn't - I don't know, I'm not writing your application | 15:37 |
| locusf | w00t: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g0pjc5h9y013f27/harbour-bluewhale-0.2-1.armv7hl.rpm | 15:37 |
| kontio | locusf: sorry about the silicawebview, I have no idea... broadcast ask here and on mailing list :-) | 15:37 |
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| Wnt | should the ssh login banner and System settings About product show the new version "1.0.1.10 (Laadunjärvi)" after the update has been installed? | 15:38 |
| locusf | kontio: its pretty dumb to ask for something which isn't possible to implement, but ok, I'll ask around :) | 15:38 |
| Venemo | w00t: also, when can we use the mainline Qt Creator for Sailfish development instead of this outdated fork? | 15:38 |
| w00t | locusf: sec.. | 15:38 |
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| lbt | Venemo: we're keeping the fork updated with Digia - but again we have limited resources | 15:39 |
| Venemo | lbt: perhaps you didn't understand the question | 15:40 |
| w00t | locusf: X-Nemo-Application-Type=no-invoker <- why? | 15:40 |
| thp | locusf: https://github.com/nemomobile/libcontentaction/blob/master/src/exec.cpp#L66 <- that's the magic behind the "X-Nemo-*" keys - it just modifies the invoker command line that's generated | 15:40 |
| w00t | locusf: removing that from the desktop makes it work | 15:40 |
| lbt | Venemo: just commenting that 'outdated' isn't that much of an issue | 15:40 |
| locusf | w00t: no libsailfishapp | 15:40 |
| locusf | w00t: oh it works otherwise? | 15:41 |
| locusf | cool | 15:41 |
| w00t | locusf: it isn't just for sailfishapp | 15:41 |
| thp | locusf: libsailfishapp doesn't have antyhing to do with invoker | 15:41 |
| lbt | Venemo: I admit it would be better if it was merged into upstream - I'd like that too | 15:41 |
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| thp | s/anything/ | 15:41 |
| Venemo | lbt: why isn't it? | 15:41 |
| thp | locusf: except that libsailfishapp's header defines Q_DECL_EXPORT on your main for you | 15:41 |
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| lbt | Venemo: partly due to licensing - we started (and still use) a version that has sailfish logos in it | 15:42 |
| thp | locusf: and single-instance launching is part of invoker, so you have to use invoker (and should, anyway - for startup performance reasons) if you want single-instance, which you usually want | 15:42 |
| TheBootroo | lbt: maybe just group SF stuff in a plugin, and put all the rest of patchs mainline | 15:42 |
| Venemo | lbt: why isn't there a version (without the sailfish logos) in the upstream Qt SDK that I can download from qt-project? | 15:42 |
| locusf | thp: okay | 15:43 |
| Venemo | lbt: that'd just make my life a lot easier | 15:43 |
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| lbt | TheBootroo: it is significantly in a pluin | 15:43 |
| lbt | Venemo: that was the idea | 15:43 |
| TheBootroo | lbt: i mean, we could dl SDK on QtProject, and add the plugin from SF wesbite | 15:43 |
| Venemo | thp: interesting mix of glib and Qt in that code | 15:43 |
| TheBootroo | *website | 15:43 |
| lbt | upstream are a little cautious about how we're doing things | 15:43 |
| lbt | eg the VM approach | 15:43 |
| Venemo | yes, that's a terrible approach | 15:43 |
| Venemo | but still | 15:44 |
| locusf | w00t: so just removing it made the single instance back to normal? | 15:44 |
| lbt | sure it is | 15:44 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: i disagree, VM is cool | 15:44 |
| thp | Venemo: hehe ;) | 15:44 |
| lbt | Venemo: it would be much better to support all the toolchains natively on all different platforms :D | 15:44 |
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| w00t | locusf: yes | 15:44 |
| thp | locusf: why not use libsailfishapp, out of curiosity? you'd have to use MDeclarativeCache manually if you want to make use of boosters otherwise | 15:44 |
| TheBootroo | lbt: VM solution seems much easier to me | 15:44 |
| lbt | TheBootroo: ty :) | 15:44 |
| Venemo | lbt: actually there used to be a solution for that in Harmattan (and even Fremantle) - I never quite understood why you didn't go with that one | 15:45 |
| locusf | thp: old code, my app was coded in June afaik | 15:45 |
| w00t | locusf: time to update! ;) | 15:45 |
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| locusf | so newer migrated | 15:45 |
| locusf | apparently so | 15:45 |
| lbt | Venemo: because $$ | 15:45 |
| thp | locusf: should be easy, you mostly only need to replace the creation of QGuiApplication and QQuickView with getting those already instanciated from libsailfishapp instead | 15:46 |
| TheBootroo | lbt: that said, QtProject SDK has plugins for iOS, Android and BB10 platforms and some are using VM stuff, so i see no reason at all why SF one would be rejected | 15:46 |
| lbt | Venemo: we wanted to support windows, mac, all linux.... and we can | 15:46 |
| Venemo | anyway, it'd be a LOT cooler if the Sailfish support would be there in the upstream Qt Creator download | 15:46 |
| lbt | TheBootroo: I didn't see why either ... but it's also partly a QtC issue | 15:47 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: sure, that isn't the issue | 15:47 |
| Venemo | the way it is now, it's not cool | 15:47 |
| TheBootroo | lbt: oh, ok | 15:47 |
| lbt | the older QtC used to insist on running qmake/make on a native platform | 15:47 |
| thp | locusf: + include the libsailfishapp header before your main() definition, so Q_DECL_EXPORT is done for you | 15:47 |
| lbt | I made qmake a proxy to "ssh VM qmake" | 15:47 |
| TheBootroo | lbt: i contributed too Qtc recently, didn't seemed too much restrictive to me, but sure my patchs weren't as bug as yours | 15:48 |
| thp | (Q_DECL_EXPORT is needed because the booster dlopen()s your main binary and then dlsym()s your main function) | 15:48 |
| lbt | yeah - and sadly it's not an area I'm working on atm | 15:48 |
| lbt | maybe when we get the sources out the community can help get it upstreamed | 15:48 |
| locusf | thp: ok | 15:49 |
| locusf | thp: will qmlRegisterType's work this way? | 15:49 |
| locusf | in this main function I mean | 15:49 |
| thp | locusf: if you do it before setSource(), then yes it should | 15:50 |
| TheBootroo | lbt: i would happily help you if i can and find some time | 15:50 |
| lbt | TheBootroo: yep - that's essentially our problem too | 15:50 |
| Venemo | also, is there a Q_OS_SAILFISH or similar ifdef? | 15:51 |
| locusf | thp: I'll deploy to my Jolla in a moment to test | 15:51 |
| thp | Venemo: you can use http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qmake/qmake-test-function-reference.html#packagesexist-packages on libsailfishapp to check if the target is sailfish | 15:52 |
| thp | Venemo: and DEFINES += whatever you want in that block | 15:52 |
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| Venemo | like this? packagesExist(libsailfishapp) { ... } | 15:52 |
| locusf | thp: any QT stuff to take note of, I added CONFIG += sailfishapp but still get compile error | 15:52 |
| thp | locusf: can you pastebin the error? | 15:53 |
| thp | Venemo: packagesExist(sailfishapp) { ... } | 15:53 |
| locusf | thp: sure, http://pastie.org/8539842 | 15:53 |
| Venemo | thp: great, thank you | 15:54 |
| thp | locusf: did you add "CONFIG += sailfishapp" after TARGET = and before any possible other pkg-config stuff in your qmake .pro file? | 15:54 |
| locusf | thp: hmm no | 15:54 |
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| Venemo | also, is there a way to implement swipe lock? | 15:55 |
| thp | locusf: you have ssh access to your sailfish sdk build VM? | 15:55 |
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| faenil | Venemo, it's in the mailing list | 15:55 |
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| Venemo | faenil: link please | 15:55 |
| faenil | it's a wm hint iirc | 15:55 |
| locusf | thp: yes | 15:55 |
| Venemo | faenil: I don't know how to do a wm hint in wayland :( | 15:56 |
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| thp | Venemo: Qt::WindowOverridesSystemGestures | 15:56 |
| Venemo | faenil: I used to know how it's done in X | 15:56 |
| thp | Venemo: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtgui/qwindow.html#flags-prop | 15:56 |
| thp | locusf: if you cat /usr/share/qt5/mkspecs/features/sailfishapp.prf you'll see what "CONFIG += sailfishapp" does for you | 15:57 |
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| Venemo | thp: if I enable/disable the flag on-the-fly will it work? | 15:57 |
| faenil | Venemo, also here https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Porting/Harmattan | 15:57 |
| thp | Venemo: it should, yes (haven't tested it myself yet) | 15:57 |
| faenil | ah thp replied already | 15:57 |
| faenil | Venemo, yes it should work on the fly (from what I've heard) | 15:58 |
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| Venemo | great, thanks thp & faenil | 15:58 |
| thp | locusf: so you can either do CONFIG += sailfishapp or do the steps in the .prf file manually | 15:58 |
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| thp | locusf: the nice thing about CONFIG += sailfishapp is that it also puts your "qml/" folder into the right path, installs the target, .desktop file and icon as well | 15:59 |
| Bloob | getting 'Invalid property name' on EnterKey for TextField :F | 16:00 |
| locusf | thp: really? thats cool :) | 16:00 |
| locusf | thp: that apparently means more migration stuff for me :p | 16:00 |
| Venemo | what lib should I link against if I want to use the Sailfish version of MDeclarativeCache? | 16:00 |
| thp | Venemo: libsailfishapp wraps MDeclarativeCache for you | 16:01 |
| Venemo | thp: I don't want to use libsailfishapp at the moment | 16:01 |
| thp | Venemo: you should. but if you don't want to for some reason, just use the normal #include <MDeclarativeCache> | 16:02 |
| Venemo | thp: sure, but that wasn't the question | 16:02 |
| thp | Venemo: and then MDeclarativeCache::qApplication() and MDeclarativeCache::qQuickView() | 16:02 |
| Venemo | thp: ok, but what lib should I link against? | 16:02 |
| Venemo | ie. I don't know the name of the library | 16:02 |
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| locusf | thanks for the update btw :) | 16:03 |
| thp | Venemo: PKGCONFIG += qdeclarative5-boostable | 16:03 |
| Venemo | thank you TheBootroo | 16:03 |
| Venemo | sorry | 16:03 |
| Venemo | thank you thp | 16:03 |
| thp | Venemo: the lib itself is called mdeclarativecache5 | 16:03 |
| Venemo | ok | 16:03 |
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| thp | but do the PKGCONFIG dance, as it adds some more flags than just -lmdeclarativecache5 | 16:03 |
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| Venemo | thp: ok, I'm doing it | 16:05 |
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| locusf | thp: now my application .desktop and icon are not installed at all | 16:07 |
| Venemo | thp: does Sailfish have any kind of splash screen support? | 16:07 |
| w00t | no | 16:07 |
| locusf | thp: eg. reflected to yaml | 16:08 |
| thp | Venemo: no splash splash screen | 16:08 |
| thp | locusf: you still have to put the install path into the yaml/spec files | 16:08 |
| Venemo | okay | 16:08 |
| locusf | thp: ah ok | 16:08 |
| Venemo | why not? | 16:08 |
| thp | Venemo: because if you app doesn't start up quick enough, you should just make it so that it does | 16:09 |
| Venemo | thp: okay, I get it :) | 16:09 |
| thp | (by e.g. not loading everything up front, but just showing a light view if you do some heavy loading later | 16:09 |
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| thp | locusf: also, your .desktop file must be named like TARGET=, but that's kind of a good idea, anyway (and required by harbour) | 16:09 |
| thp | same for the icon | 16:10 |
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| Venemo | thp: so my desktop file should be named harbour-my-app.desktop? | 16:10 |
| thp | Venemo: yep | 16:11 |
| thp | and icon file as well.. harbour-my-app.png | 16:12 |
| Venemo | okay | 16:12 |
| thp | see also "Where must this $NAME be used?" in https://harbour.jolla.com/faq | 16:12 |
| Venemo | okay, thanks thp | 16:14 |
| locusf | hmm this was a bad idea | 16:14 |
| MFaro-Tusino | goodnight guys (happy hacking) | 16:15 |
| Venemo | why does Qt Creator underline #include <MDeclarativeCache> | 16:15 |
| Venemo | it doesn't underline #include <mdeclarativecache5/MDeclarativeCache> | 16:16 |
| thp | Venemo: *cough*uselibsailfishappinstead*cough* | 16:16 |
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| Venemo | thp: sailfishapp would kind of mess up my current code | 16:16 |
| thp | Venemo: i'd say it would mess up your code less than using MDeclarativeCache by hand | 16:18 |
| thp | except maybe if you're already partially using MDeclarativeCache somewhere | 16:19 |
| Venemo | thp: why? this is just two additional ifdefs | 16:19 |
| Venemo | thp: also one more ifdef for the swipe lock, but that's somewhere else | 16:19 |
| thp | get rid if the ifdefs ;) | 16:20 |
| thp | s/if/of/ | 16:20 |
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| Venemo | thp: I need different native calls on Symbian, Blackberry and Harmattan. I also need to distinguish between Qt4 and Qt5 somehow | 16:22 |
| locusf | GRRR | 16:23 |
| Venemo | thp: I'm open to your suggestions of course, I'd be glad to get rid of the ifdefs :) | 16:23 |
| locusf | libsailfishapp expects my main.qml to be in /usr/share/$TARGET/qml/$TARGET.qml | 16:24 |
| locusf | which of course isn't | 16:24 |
| Venemo | thp: is this how you enable swipe lock? view->setFlags(view->flags() | Qt::WindowOverridesSystemGestures); | 16:25 |
| Venemo | and is this how you disable it? view->setFlags(view->flags() ^ Qt::WindowOverridesSystemGestures); | 16:25 |
| thp | Venemo: first one yes | 16:26 |
| thp | second one would be xor (^), you want & ~ instead | 16:26 |
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| Venemo | thp: ah, okay | 16:27 |
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| Venemo | hm | 16:31 |
| Venemo | seems that PKGCONFIG += qdeclarative5-boostable doesn't work | 16:31 |
| Venemo | I get undefined reference | 16:31 |
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| w00t | to what? | 16:33 |
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| Venemo | to MDeclarativeCache::whatever | 16:33 |
| Venemo | adding LIBS += -lmdeclarativecache5 solved it | 16:33 |
| Venemo | meh, virtualbox died :( | 16:33 |
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| Venemo | can't kill it | 16:35 |
| Venemo | okay, brb | 16:37 |
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| Venemo | ok, now it's working | 16:39 |
| Venemo | Qt::WindowOverridesSystemGestures doesn't work | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | in emul? | 16:40 |
| Venemo | yes | 16:40 |
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| Venemo | also, app is quite slow in the emulator... I hope it's gonna be better on a real device | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, the thing allowing that didn't get in there, works fine on device | 16:41 |
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| locusf | any idea why my c++ classes are no longer visible to QML after migrating to libsailfishapp? | 16:42 |
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| Venemo | which QML import contains DocumentGalleryModel? | 16:46 |
| Venemo | is it import QtDocGallery 5.0? | 16:46 |
| faenil | I think so | 16:46 |
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| Venemo | then I'm screwed | 16:47 |
| Venemo | it's not supported by the harbour | 16:47 |
| Venemo | is there an image picker component that I can use? | 16:47 |
| Venemo | lbt: I found one more bug. even though I selected "deploy by copying binaries" it still builds an RPM package | 16:49 |
| Venemo | is there a bug tracker where I can report these? | 16:49 |
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| locusf | thp: still here? | 16:57 |
| locusf | or w00t | 16:57 |
| locusf | anyone with Qt stuffs :) | 16:57 |
| locusf | I had earlier view->rootContext()->setContextProperty calls in my code but where do I put them now? | 16:58 |
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| Venemo | locusf: see http://qtl.me/sailfishapp.h | 17:01 |
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| Venemo | locusf: SailfishApp will give you a view | 17:01 |
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| locusf | Venemo: yeah tried that but it didn't work | 17:02 |
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| locusf | any source code available to that header? | 17:04 |
| Venemo | I don't know | 17:05 |
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| Venemo | also, it seems that both getenv("LANG") and QLocale::system().name() return "C" | 17:17 |
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| Venemo | anyway, brb | 17:23 |
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| locusf | NB: there is a heuristicZoom method in WebView | 17:59 |
| w00t | locusf: it should work | 18:03 |
| w00t | locusf: use createView to get the view, set it up, and then show it | 18:03 |
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| locusf | w00t: I got it, thanks :) | 18:13 |
| locusf | heuristicZoom doesn't work | 18:15 |
| locusf | kontio: if you'd mind to tell Dorota that I can't make the zooming happen :/ | 18:15 |
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| locusf | kontio: I have fixed the other issue | 18:18 |
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| locusf | lbt: btw, the template app can't be deployed via your hack page :) | 19:25 |
| locusf | how could I create a cover which just reflects the apps content? | 19:31 |
| fk_lx | locusf: do not define cover | 19:32 |
| locusf | fk_lx: oh ok | 19:32 |
| fk_lx | locusf: as far as I remember, if an app doesn't have cover, then it shows the current page in background mode | 19:32 |
| locusf | fk_lx: it didn't work :p | 19:33 |
| locusf | only shows "Default Cover" | 19:33 |
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| fk_lx | locusf: maybe try setting initial page as cover | 19:35 |
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| fk_lx | I remember that getting your app view as cover was very easy, but how was it done, hard to say | 19:35 |
| locusf | okay :) | 19:37 |
| locusf | I'll probably wait till tomorrow | 19:37 |
| locusf | had to start updating my apps code based on the comments in Store :) | 19:38 |
| locusf | oh so buggy pieces of software | 19:38 |
| locusf | I shouldn't have probably published one | 19:38 |
| locusf | but anyways, its there | 19:38 |
| fk_lx | :-D | 19:45 |
| fk_lx | locusf: the important thing is to constantly improve, that builts real value | 19:45 |
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| lbt | locusf: oh? why not? | 19:49 |
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| * artemma wonders if "Number of apps submitted yesterday" in harbour includes app updates or lists only first time submissions | 20:28 | |
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| AmbyR00 | hello! I just got my Jolla from the mail and I've got a couple of questions concerning the workings of the os. | 21:49 |
| Yaniel | ask away | 21:50 |
| AmbyR00 | First is the timeout in the social accounts creation, my passwords are long and complicated, so writing them is a bit tedious and takes a long time with the virtual keyboard, it always times out before I can complete the registration | 21:50 |
| AmbyR00 | and the second thing is, I tried to move files from my computer to the phone, but can't find them on the phone | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | how'd you move them? with MTP? | 21:52 |
| AmbyR00 | usb | 21:52 |
| Aard | AmbyR00: what kind of files? | 21:52 |
| AmbyR00 | I tried a couple of video files, and a few .apk files from my G1 | 21:53 |
| Aard | AmbyR00: did you put them into subfolders? | 21:53 |
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| AmbyR00 | I created a sub folder in the Videos directory, moved the video files there, then moved the apk's to the Downloads directory | 21:53 |
| Aard | ok, that should work | 21:54 |
| Aard | and have it show up in gallery after a while | 21:54 |
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| AmbyR00 | it refreshes with a delay? | 21:54 |
| AmbyR00 | it's been now about 10 minutes | 21:55 |
| Yaniel | isn't there a way to force the gallery to refresh? | 21:55 |
| Yaniel | like on symbian | 21:55 |
| Yaniel | at least the music library had that | 21:55 |
| AmbyR00 | no idea, I'm coming from android | 21:56 |
| hoelzro | AmbyR00: lucky you =) | 21:56 |
| hoelzro | you must've ordered right away =/ | 21:56 |
| AmbyR00 | yep, I think I made the order on the second day | 21:56 |
| AmbyR00 | could've been the first, not sure :) | 21:57 |
| Sarvi | what was your delivery number? | 21:57 |
| Sarvi | or toimitusnumero | 21:58 |
| AmbyR00 | i wonder... missäs sen pitäsi näkyä? :) | 21:58 |
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| AmbyR00 | tilausnumero 100001581 | 21:59 |
| Sarvi | mine was in an email that i received i think yesterday | 22:00 |
| hoelzro | I keep checking my order page to see if there's news =S | 22:00 |
| AmbyR00 | aha, toimitusnumero: 100000890 | 22:01 |
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| Sarvi | mine is 100000816, but haven't seen my phone yet | 22:01 |
| hoelzro | depends on the country, maybe? | 22:02 |
| FireFly | Mine is 20000360 ,_, | 22:02 |
| AmbyR00 | I didn't get a notification from the mail service, I was proactive and watched the delivery status from the web. | 22:02 |
| Latexi95 | Has anyone tried Sailfish on N9? I managed to install it today but it's too buggy to use :( | 22:02 |
| Sarvi | my order number was 100001708 | 22:02 |
| Sarvi | hoelzro: probably does, but i think we both live in finland | 22:03 |
| hoelzro | ah, that would be why AmbyR00 got theirs first | 22:03 |
| hoelzro | but it doesn't explain the out of sync order numbers | 22:04 |
| AmbyR00 | as soon as it had reached our local post office I went and grabbed it. Had a problem there though, as I'd photographed the delivery number with my ADP1, and was trying to show it to the clerk, my phone died | 22:04 |
| hoelzro | FireFly: I'm right in front of you =/ | 22:04 |
| AmbyR00 | Sarvi: you'd be right about that. I'm in Lahti | 22:05 |
| Sarvi | hmm... i live right next to tampere, something like 100kms between us | 22:05 |
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| AmbyR00 | no idea how to make the files visible on the phone | 22:07 |
| Sarvi | nope :/ | 22:08 |
| Yaniel | enable dev mode and cd to the right folder :D | 22:09 |
| Yaniel | no but there should be a way to force it to refresh the file index | 22:09 |
| Yaniel | or whatever it uses | 22:09 |
| Yaniel | Sarvi: mine is around 100000300 and the package is somewhere in itella's care | 22:10 |
| Yaniel | (I think) | 22:11 |
| Sarvi | mine's too, it was sorted at some logistics center yesterday | 22:13 |
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| Yaniel | 01010 | 22:13 |
| Sarvi | yea, that one :D | 22:14 |
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| AmbyR00 | don't worry guys, I bet you'll get yours tomorrow | 22:17 |
| AmbyR00 | :) | 22:17 |
| AmbyR00 | or before christmas anyway | 22:17 |
| AmbyR00 | hmm.. now it doesn't seem to get them over bluetooth either, although earlier I succeeded in moving a couple of test files on it | 22:18 |
| Yaniel | wednesday best case | 22:18 |
| AmbyR00 | moving succeeds, but the phone doesn't seem to see anything | 22:19 |
| Sarvi | i've been telling myself that i'll get it for christmas, i'd be stoked if i got it tomorrow | 22:19 |
| Sarvi | there's no file manager? | 22:20 |
| raa70 | terminal | 22:20 |
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| cybette | AmbyR00: go to system settings -> transfers, do you see the files via bluetooth there? | 22:21 |
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| Frye | Sarvi, not yet | 22:21 |
| Frye | but devmode and term work | 22:21 |
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| AmbyR00 | cybette: didn't see them | 22:26 |
| AmbyR00 | I did earlier, when I was trying it out, but after I cleared it, it didn't show me anything anymore | 22:26 |
| AmbyR00 | but there's one thing I recall the phone did in between. It updated the os | 22:27 |
| AmbyR00 | so could it be the update broke it somehow? | 22:27 |
| cybette | hmm, try rebooting? :P | 22:29 |
| AmbyR00 | I did a factory reset, hope that works :) | 22:30 |
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| AmbyR00 | hmm... did the factory reset also remove the os update? | 22:46 |
| faenil | AmbyR00, I was about to tell you that | 22:47 |
| faenil | factory reset *is* factory reset :P | 22:47 |
| AmbyR00 | weird ;) | 22:48 |
| faenil | AmbyR00, ? | 22:49 |
| AmbyR00 | ok, well I will have to update it then... actually, now the bluetooth transfer worked, it asked me if I wanted to accept the files | 22:49 |
| AmbyR00 | which it didn't do before the reset | 22:49 |
| faenil | AmbyR00, update again then, and if doesn't work anymore, I'll file a bug :) | 22:49 |
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| AmbyR00 | uhh... problems with teh shop | 22:51 |
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| raa70 | try without wlan | 22:51 |
| AmbyR00 | does the yandex store have to be installed if I want to run android apps? | 22:52 |
| AmbyR00 | I just removed it and it wants to install android support again | 22:52 |
| Latexi95 | Should I be able to connect to internet without WLAN? (using Sailfish + N9) | 22:52 |
| faenil | AmbyR00, I think that's an allinone | 22:53 |
| AmbyR00 | so I can't remove yandex without breaking the android support? | 22:55 |
| AmbyR00 | ah... it says there's a problem with the installation of aliendalvik, and it wants to install android support again... maybe I should reset it again ;) | 22:56 |
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| Latexi95 | Should I able to connect to internet through cellular network? | 23:03 |
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| Eztran | Yes, but I think there's a bug with Android apps doing that or something, where you have to start on WLAN? Could be completely out with that one. | 23:04 |
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| Latexi95 | If I open the browser it asks to choose internet connection but it only offers wlan. | 23:06 |
| Eztran | Might need to set up network manually first. | 23:06 |
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| lpotter | if the modem/sim isn't ready or he connection context is not setup, you will see only wlan there | 23:07 |
| Latexi95 | it shows that I have 3.5G connection | 23:07 |
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| lpotter | thats not a data connection. go into settings->mobile network | 23:08 |
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| Latexi95 | lpotter: hm... and? | 23:09 |
| lpotter | what is under the 'Mobile data' header? | 23:09 |
| Latexi95 | ooh... If I press that "internet" think long it opens more options | 23:10 |
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| Eztran | That's the one. If you know your service provider's settings, you can probably sort it from there? | 23:11 |
| lpotter | well, even if that info is wrong, it would still show up in the connection dialog | 23:11 |
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| Latexi95 | yeah | 23:13 |
| Latexi95 | it works | 23:13 |
| Latexi95 | I had to write APN name | 23:14 |
| Latexi95 | thanks :) | 23:14 |
| dank101 | hey | 23:14 |
| dank101 | how do i install Sailfish on android? | 23:14 |
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| raa70 | One doesn't simply install Sailfish on android | 23:15 |
| dank101 | http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-users-will-soon-be-able-to-install-sailfish-os/ | 23:16 |
| raa70 | wait 6months, come back and ask again... if you get same answer repeat the last steps | 23:17 |
| dank101 | why thanks for the help... | 23:18 |
| Eztran | dank101: Right now, simplest solution is probably to wait a while. There've been rumours floating around that it'll become easier, it'd currently be a really tricky project. | 23:18 |
| dank101 | Eztran, thanks for the actual help | 23:18 |
| lbt | it won't be 6 months | 23:20 |
| lbt | dank101: but it's not quite ready yet | 23:20 |
| lbt | if you're happy building CM from scratch then it may be sooner | 23:21 |
| Hurrian | lbt: I'm guessing running Sailfish on top of libhybris is the official way to run it, abandoning running directly on top of Wayland? | 23:24 |
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| special | Hurrian: hybris provides a lot more than just graphics. | 23:25 |
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| lbt | libhybris lets you use wayland on the droid GPU | 23:25 |
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| Latexi95 | hm... Yandex.Store doesn't open. It starts loading but it wont open | 23:27 |
| Hurrian | ah, so instead of Sailfish->Wayland->Kernel DRM/KMS, it's Sailfish->Wayland->libhybris->SurfaceFlinger drivers->Output? | 23:27 |
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| lbt | Hurrian: yes | 23:33 |
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