Monday, 2013-12-09

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tortoisedocany of you guys having problems accessing the yandex store?06:24
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tortoisedocI cant seem to get any connection through to it06:25
* Stskeeps tries06:28
Stskeepstortoisedoc: i seem to have problems too06:29
tortoisedocStskeeps : and this since yesterday06:29
tortoisedochopefully nothing big..06:29
tortoisedocwould suck for Jolla to get issues with Yandex now06:29
Stskeepsah, there it connected06:29
Stskeepstry a reboot06:29
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tortoisedocStskeeps : after reboot, server not available06:37
tortoisedoccant get to main page of yandex even06:37
Stskeeps3g or wifi?06:37
tortoisedocrestarting 3g06:38
tortoisedocok now it connects06:38
tortoisedocbut still no connectivity on search :|06:38
Bloobsaw this same problem reported on jollausers forums06:38
tortoisedocyandex store is aliendalvik right?06:39
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tortoisedocit started working :D06:49
tortoisedocit keeps on working / non working / working / non working06:51
tortoisedocalso settings dialog06:51
tortoisedoc(for yandex)06:51
tortoisedocseems to be completely uninfluential06:51
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tomyrianyone using emulator with virtualbox 4.3.4?08:22
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tomyriworks fine with 4.3.2 but no picture with 4.3.408:23
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tortoisedocemoticons seem to be not displayed properly  in the messages10:51
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nanderHow dangerous is it to install sailfish on a n9?10:52
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coderushello! not responding. anyone experiencing same?11:07
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SfietKonstantinnander: as dangerous as installing nemo11:18
SfietKonstantincoderus: yep, nothing11:18
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faenilcoderus, try https://releases.jollamobile.com11:20
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tortoisedocfaenil : auth requested?11:24
faeniltortoisedoc, yes, it's not public :P11:24
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tortoisedocfaenil: accessible from device?11:25
faeniltortoisedoc, no, I didn't notice coderus wrote jolla, not jollamobile11:25
tortoisedocfaenil : ah, so now there is a SECRET repo? ;)11:26
faeniltortoisedoc, nah :)11:26
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: :P11:27
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat's the point of testing this11:27
Sfiet_Konstantinof saying this11:28
coderusfaenil: faenil jollamobile ping okay11:29
coderusis under maintenace or moved?11:29
MFaro-Tusinofaenil: any idea on which developers get access to that section of sw updates?11:31
tortoisedocMFaro-Tusino : excellent question11:31
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tortoisedocI guess updates are propagated to devices who enabled for them right?11:32
MFaro-Tusinowell you need to authenticate yourself in settings, so it will more then likely add a beta-updates repo with auth credentials in ssu11:33
MFaro-TusinoJust like the WP Preview for developers app enables a new update repo11:33
tortoisedocMFaro-tusino : and the auth params in settings are the same as the OBS ones?11:34
MFaro-Tusinoi am not sure11:35
tortoisedoc any other sailor who can help on this question? ^11:36
MFaro-Tusinohow do i disable the frame rate setting via command?11:37
MFaro-Tusinoping faenil11:37
lbtwhich question?11:37
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tortoisedoclbt :  and the auth params in settings are the same as the OBS ones?11:37
tortoisedoclbt : meaning the "developer updates" credentials11:37
lbtthose credentials are used to access ssu repos - see ssu src in nemomobile11:39
MFaro-Tusinolbt: any chance you know how to disable the framerate setting under display settings?11:40
MFaro-Tusinovia command line i mean11:40
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lbtno, sorry11:41
MFaro-Tusinoall good11:41
MFaro-Tusinomy screen is just very distorted right now, reboot didn't solve11:41
MFaro-Tusinoi'll show you on twitter11:43
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lbtI don't really use twitter11:43
lbthere is better :)11:44
coderusMFaro-Tusino: read instruction on TMO11:44
coderusthere gconf key for that11:44
MFaro-Tusinolink coderus?11:44
coderussearching it now :)11:45
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coderusin the bottom info11:50
coderusNote: When in developer mode, DO NOT ENABLE FRAME RATE DISPLAY11:50
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nanderWhy? Does it grant you a smoke generator OTH?11:51
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tortoisedoccoderus: works fine for me?11:52
coderustortoisedoc: what are you talking about&11:53
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MFaro-Tusinoyes, see i didm;t follow that guide coderus., hence didn't see the warning, though it didn't work for me, as it wasn't there in the gconf file11:53
tortoisedoccoderus -> Note: When in developer mode, DO NOT ENABLE FRAME RATE DISPLAY11:54
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zuhThe random colors are actually the frame rate display I believe...11:58
Stskeepsif it's constantly red, it's a good sign of why there's no official sailfish for n950/n9011:58
zuhWell, could be broken rendering after enabling it of course, but...11:59
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coderusany info why not responding?12:18
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valdur55coderus:  goot mark about frame rate display ;D12:25
MFaro-Tusinoisn't it
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valdur55For Proximity sensor , we can do init script for that...12:30
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coderusMFaro-Tusino: no.
MFaro-Tusinoyes, i know what his ks says12:36
MFaro-TusinoI just thought it was jollamobile, did you try jollamobile by any chance?12:37
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Venemookay, stupid question here12:44
Venemohow did those guys get hold of a sailfish image for the N9x0?12:44
VenemoI thought that jolla won't release such an image + the non-nemo sailfish parts are closed12:45
Nicd-from a jolla phone?12:46
Venemoah, they hacked it out from a poor jolla phone?12:46
StskeepsVenemo: we're also at same time saying it'll be possible to install sailfish on android devices12:46
VenemoStskeeps: yes, I heard that. I was surprised why you didn't say N9 and N950 when you say androids12:47
nanderSo sailfish will be more open than it is right now?12:47
nanderThe N9 doesn't have strong hardware12:47
Nicd-Venemo: yeah, N950 is armv7 too so the binaries could run12:47
StskeepsVenemo: well, if you enable FPS meter on n950/n9 it'll show a lot of red, a lot of tearing, hw that doesn't work, and it's images jolla cannot distribute due to clauses in hw adaptation12:47
nanderIt might not be enough to officially support them12:47
StskeepsVenemo: it's technically possible and community has been able to do it, but it's not a jolla offering12:47
nanderA contract with nokia?12:48
VenemoStskeeps: but don't the same clauses prevent jolla from distributing it for androids?12:48
StskeepsVenemo: well, hw adaptations being nokia's, and who says we need to distribute android hw adaptation bits? :P12:48
VenemoStskeeps: okay12:48
MFaro-TusinoVenemo: I'm running it on both N9/50 and its great as a dev device for now12:48
nanderIt could be negociated by nokia: we allow you to use meego, including all patents that may be on it, in exchange for staying clear of our devices12:48
Venemoanyway, I think I'll just wait for the jolla phone instead12:49
nanderYou have a n950.. I'm jealous12:49
VenemoI have it too, why are you jealous?12:49
MFaro-TusinoI have 2 N950s12:49
nanderwhy do you think?12:49
MFaro-TusinoI know those with more than me12:49
nanderI only have a n9 ;)12:50
VenemoStskeeps: anyway, does the jolla phone use libhybris and android hw adaptation for the qualcomm chip or did you manage to make a custom hw adaptation?12:50
StskeepsVenemo: libhybris, android hw adaptation12:50
VenemoStskeeps: that's what I thought!12:50
MFaro-Tusino^ good to know12:50
Stskeepsit's unrealistic to make a full qualcomm hw adaptation with the resources we have12:50
Stskeepsand it isn't even physically possible12:51
VenemoStskeeps: don't worry, I'm aware of the situation :)12:51
VenemoStskeeps: I kind of have been suspecting that this'll be the case12:51
StskeepsVenemo: it's workign surprisingily well.12:51
VenemoStskeeps: out of curiosity, why didn't you pick a chip which has a non-android adaptation, like the tegra? or something.12:52
Venemoqualcomm is like, the arch-evil of chipmakers12:52
StskeepsVenemo: we did, originally and that caused us to have to switch chip12:52
VenemoStskeeps: what happened?12:52
StskeepsVenemo: the story's somewhere in a finnish interview, but needless to say, we switched chipset in spring12:53
leinirnot all manufacturers who say they care about being open actually care about being open? ;)12:53
* Stskeeps takes X11 out the back and shoots it12:53
leinirStskeeps: i thought that's what you did in spring? ;)12:53
VenemoStskeeps: ah, is that why the promised shipping dates also slipped?12:53
TheBootrooStskeeps: what about making an Intel Haswell device ?12:54
TheBootroolinux and wayland runs perfectly on it12:54
StskeepsVenemo: no comment on that12:54
StskeepsTheBootroo: sailfish runs fine on x8612:54
TheBootrooStskeeps: yeah (emulator ...)12:55
Stskeepssure, but people have run it on x86 tablets too12:55
VenemoStskeeps: yeah, you could've used an intel chip in the jolla12:55
TheBootrooStskeeps: so maybe if intel does yet a little more progress on energy consumption, next Jolla on Intel ?12:55
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StskeepsVenemo: i don't know specifics, but i'm fairly certain that the BoM of a intel design vs BoM of a qualcomm design, qualcomm wins..12:55
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VenemoStskeeps: BoM=?12:55
Stskeepsbill of materials12:56
TheBootrooyeah BoM ?12:56
Stskeepsie, what the phone really costs12:56
TheBootroooh ok12:56
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Venemoso Intel'd've been more expensive12:56
TheBootrooyeah x86 always more expensive than ARM12:56
Stskeepstypically you divide into a HW BoM and a SW BoM (licenses, 3rd party apps, etc)12:56
Stskeepsand no, i'm not telling you what the jolla ones are12:56
Venemowe didn't even ask12:56
TheBootrooVenemo: he knows us ;-)12:57
Nicd-Stskeeps: are you carsten?12:57
TheBootrooNicd-: yes he is12:57
TheBootrooMister Carsten Munsk12:57
Stskeeps(munk, not 'raster')12:57
MFaro-Tusinostskeeps: Doubt the community is as bad as the ifanboys who spend months tracing the BoM and prove how overpriced it is hahah12:58
VenemoI honestly don't care about BoM that much12:58
Venemomy money went to a company that supports a cause I believe in, and that's enough to know12:59
TheBootrooMFaro-Tusino: what is the most expensive in an iDevice is the little half-eaten apple thing on it12:59
MFaro-Tusinovenemo: hence why I said the community isn't as bad as them - we support our own12:59
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Stskeeps#Jolla #droptest I have done it twice: 40 cm to linoleum floor, and 100cm to ceramic tiles face down. Result: Not even scratch #lousypockets13:00
Stskeepsthank you, clumsy community13:00
Venemolol Stskeeps13:00
VenemoStskeeps: did the other half fly off the device?13:00
leinirnow, you see, there's an other half for you - rubber-surfaced super-grippy one ;)13:00
StskeepsVenemo: just some guy on twitter13:00
Nicd-bound to happen some day13:00
Nicd-broke my N900 that way :(13:00
leinirsmooth is all pretty and stuff, but... i like my devices to not fly out of my hand ;)13:00
VenemoStskeeps: link please13:01
Nicd-I actually like the Jolla physically, I think it's easier to grip than the Lumia 900 I had13:01
VenemoI actually dropped my N9 a couple of times. the display remains unscathed but the corners are all deformed13:01
leiniryeah, i tried (last winter) to snap a shot of the first frost... and kind of dropped it from about two meters onto concrete. Nothing happened, not a scratch :)13:02
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sharpneliStskeeps: don't be mean to X11. It just works most of the time :/13:05
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Stskeepssharpneli: mcompositor :(13:09
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sharpneliStskeeps: Yeah when making a window manager/X server it's horrible. But in general it's kinda nice for client programs.13:12
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MMxhi, is it already possible to create a "packaged webApp" in HTML5 for SailfishOS? E.g. with Cordova or even with the SailfishSDK? The info on HTML5 on the developer page sounds more like this could be a future feature.14:21
MMxI don't need any hardware access really, only a network connection14:21
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MMxit's supposed to be something like a remote control for an embedded device, so HTML and some API calls only14:22
nanderYou can use js in QML14:22
MMxwell, I want it to run on Android, too14:22
nanderI think QT can export to droid14:23
MMxI'd really prefer pure HTML with JS though14:24
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MMxmaybe I want to run it on FirefoxOS, too, so I want to keep that option open14:25
TheBootrooMMx: just use QML + JS, it works on Android and iOS too, and far more powerfull and more integrated with SDK14:26
TheBootroowebApp is evil. Period.14:27
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MMxand how do I port that to FirefoxOS later? ;)14:27
TheBootrooeven Tizen has Qt support so not too long to wait before firefoxOs gets it too i think14:27
VenemoMMx: I think you could just embed the HTML into a Qt app in a web view, not sure if there is a better alternative14:28
MMxTheBootroo: if I would want to go for QML, which SDK supports Sailfish and Android? Or do I have to use two SDKs for that?14:28
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TheBootrooMMx just do the loginc in JS file, custom components if any in pure QML, and just the main view in sailfish Silica for better integration (one more file for Jolla)14:29
lbtI think HTML5 app support would be something that Nemomobile (and/or Mer) would be interested in - and then that would likely get picked up by Sailfish14:29
TheBootroomost code will be shared a a few more specific14:30
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MMxhm, looks like this project is going to be far more effort than expected14:30
TheBootrooMMx: not really, the Jolla specific stuff is mostly packaging14:31
Venemolbt: is there an HTML5 app story at the moment?14:31
MMxwell, I have to learn QML first14:31
TheBootroothe app can be plain QtQuick it just won't be able to use Covers or pulleyMenu14:31
TheBootrooMMx: if you already know JS and also CSS, it'll quite straightforward14:31
lbtVenemo: in Mer, Sailfish or anywhere?   (same to all really : "no")14:31
MMxTheBootroo: ok...14:32
Venemolbt: okay!14:32
TheBootroopersonnally, i won't install apps on my phone that don't use the Silica Toolkit because they won't be really nice to use14:32
lbtVenemo: Cordova14:32
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TheBootrooui won't use Ambience, Pulleys, Pages, Font, Covers etc14:32
MMxTheBootroo: but I still doubt that FirefoxOS will get Qt any time soon, looking at the system architecture14:33
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Venemolbt: you mean this?
TheBootrooMMx: they have a linux kernel somewhere in it afaik, so it'll get qt anytime soon14:33
lbtVenemo: yes14:33
Venemolbt: so why did you say no earlier?14:34
MMxyeah, but no Linux-like display manager IIRC14:34
TheBootrooMMx: for my part i don't see any interest in this html cheap copy of android14:34
VenemoTheBootroo, MMx: the Firefox OS guys have said many times that they want their app story to be plain HTML5, no native development at all14:34
lbtVenemo: I thought you meant "ready"; as in a cohesive story. There are lots of components and a definite direction ... but nothing practical today14:35
MMxVenemo: yes.14:35
TheBootroono techological interest, and philosophically neither14:35
Venemolbt: ah, I did mean that, yes14:35
TheBootrooVenemo: ok so philosophically they are even the perfect opposite of my ideal, so i keep on seeing no interest in it at all14:35
MMxso to sum up: currently it is not possible to create a HTML5-based app for Sailfish, even with all the drawbacks of not having native UI?14:36
TheBootrooMMx: yep14:36
lbtMMx: well14:36
TheBootrooMMx: you will need at least a Qt wrapped around it to show the html app14:36
VenemoMMx: I think it's possible to do what I said, use a web view and embed the HTML5-based app in it14:36
TheBootrooand so, use the SDK and packaging too14:36
lbtif you include a package manager and APIs like cordova then "no"14:36
* MMx doesn't care about native look-and-feel for this project for now, he just doesn't want to use a plain webpage in a browser14:36
lbt  <repository name="latest_armv7hl">14:37
lbt    <path project="sailfishos:" repository="latest_armv7hl"/>14:37
lbt    <arch>armv8el</arch>14:37
lbt  </repository>14:37
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TheBootrooMMx: what is the point of non native look and feel on a mobile ? that makes most app that doesn't respect it  reallty less usable than native ones14:37
lbtMMx: you can explore HTML5 apps but it would be wrong to mislead you into thinking it was a full blown/supported environment14:38
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lbteg you could make an HTML5 app, package it in RPM and use a trivial 10line QtWebkit wrapper to run it14:39
lbtI think14:39
Venemothat's what I said14:39
lbtsry :)14:39
MMxTheBootroo: I know, but for this particular project I am willing to compromise, if it works and I don't have to spend weeks on making it work.14:39
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MMxlbt, Venemo: thanks for the pointers, maybe I'll start with creating the content as a webpage and then see how I can package it.14:41
MMxor look at QML after all, if time permits14:41
VenemoMMx: QML is worth to learn, but I can understand if you don't have the time14:42
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* lbt looks at new target on OBS14:53
VenemoMFaro-Tusino: ping14:54
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MFaro-Tusinoyes Venemo ?14:54
VenemoMFaro-Tusino: I'm replying to your tweet :P14:54
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MFaro-TusinoVenemo: Ahh - great!14:54
MFaro-TusinoI'm just touching up a few things14:54
MFaro-TusinoI want to make a better sailfish roots for the N9 than the one we have - that has someones contacts, and call log, and messages, and wifi networks :p14:55
Venemothe one we have doesn't have those? lol14:55
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MFaro-TusinoWhich one do you have?14:56
MFaro-TusinoThe one I got had it haha14:56
VenemoI didn't bother with trying any14:56
MFaro-TusinoShould I do only the default apps? Or add a few preinstalls people may appreciate?14:57
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Venemodunno, I guess you could add some stuff14:57
MFaro-Tusinowell this had android support, which doesn't work, so no need to have it take up space14:58
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Venemoallright MFaro-Tusino I'll be back in a bit15:04
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Wntcool, the platform got it's first update today!
TheBootrooWnt: since i don't have any device yet, i would be more excited for a SDK update....15:06
lbt[09/12/2013 14:53] * lbt looks at new target on OBS15:07
lbtyou guys just don't spot the clues15:07
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Wntlbt: hehe15:07
WntTheBootroo: yeah, I would love a SDK update too!15:08
TheBootroolbt: we spotted your clues, don't worry15:09
WntI think I'll postpone the start of my second application until the SDK supports correct icon locations and easy deployment to the device15:09
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lbtWnt: should be soon - in the meantime : works *really* nicely for me15:10
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lbtI use the SDK to do the QML/C++ editing and then run :   mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl make && mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -d Jolla_custom deploy --pkcon   to push to device15:11
lbt(in ssh shell in VM)15:11
Wntlbt: ok. looked at those instructions yesterday too15:11
lbtI know the guys are working hard on the update15:11
Venemoman, srsly? why do I have to rename my QML imports to start with 'harbour'?15:11
Venemothat's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard15:12
w00tVenemo: sandboxing15:12
TheBootrooVenemo: one import to rule them all15:12
lbtw00t: why doesn't the QML path just include /usr/share/harbour-appname ?15:13
Venemow00t: does the rule still apply if the qml import is registered inside the app?15:13
lbtis it booster related?15:14
Venemono, and the qml files are embedded in the executable as Qt resources15:14
Venemoso they'd definitely not affect the sandbox15:14
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lbtdid QA reject it ?15:15
Venemono, I just read the FAQ15:15
Venemoalso, do you support SVG app icons?15:15
w00tnot path sandboxing (though we do that too)15:15
w00twe don't want you to use every API on the device for compatibility reasons, so either: we whitelist allowed APIs and don't allow you to use anything, or we give you a prefix you can use so we know it's "ok"15:15
w00tVenemo: i'd have to double check, but i'm pretty sure it's png only15:16
Venemowhat's the reason for that?15:16
w00tsvg rendering is slow15:16
Venemoit's not that slow and you could cache it as png if you wanted to15:16
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w00tyes, that's what we're making you do ;)15:16
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VenemoI see, but then how will it scale for other resolutions?15:17
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w00tthe path includes resolution information15:18
Venemofor example, let's say you release a "jolla 2" next year with the same screen size but double the DPI. obviously, every app icon will need to be replaced15:18
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Venemowhy not spare everyone the misery and just use svg instead, like normal people do?15:19
w00tI just told you why :-p15:19
Venemoyou told me the crappiest excuse ever15:19
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w00tgo and read up on the svg format, and benchmark the implementation in qtsvg, and then you'll start to understand15:20
Venemothat's why I said you can cache it in png15:20
lbtVenemo: sounds like upstream Qt isn't caching rendering15:20
Venemobut this way we'll have to remake all our app icons next year15:20
w00tyes, given infinite manpower, you could do all sorts of things15:20
w00twe don't have that infinite manpower15:20
lbtVenemo: on the plus side it's an opportunity for a makeover15:21
Venemook, no comment on that15:22
lbthey, when you're as knackered as we are you have to look on the positive side :)15:22
TheBootroow00t: doesn't symbian 3 use svg icons by default ? but symbian phones are far less powerfull than the jolla ?15:22
lbtI wonder why Qt can't cache the images - or maybe it doesn't persist the cache15:22
lbtprobably the non-persistent bit15:23
w00tpart of the problem is what you're talking about when you say "svg", given that the spec itself allows for running javascript and all sorts of crazy15:24
Venemowhat should be the value of X-Nemo-Application-Type when my app is Qt5 based but doesn't use silica?15:24
lbtah, I didn't know it was that non-deteministic15:24
w00tVenemo: are you using QML?15:25
TheBootroow00t: just allow SVG Tiny and you're done15:25
TheBootrooSVG Tiny is to SVG what GLES is to OpenGL15:26
Venemow00t: yes15:26
w00tVenemo: i'd just try use the silica one anyway - you'll benefit from the same tricks it does for speedup, there won't be any real downside15:27
Venemow00t: OK. what is the API for the stuff? is it the same as the old harmattan mdeclarativecache?15:27
w00tVenemo: yes. or, if you're up to it, there's libsailfishapp (from the default sdk template)15:28
Venemow00t: what's that?15:29
w00tVenemo: basically a small helper to keep the changes required to your code at an absolute minimum15:29
w00tI don't have the application SDK to hand, so I can't guide you around it much15:29
Venemow00t: umm, what changes required to my code?15:30
w00t &
Venemodo you mean the thingy that's used in the sdk examples?15:32
Venemohow is this better than the MDeclarativeCache API?15:32
locusfkontio: thanks for helping Dorota to clear up the issues on my application, more clearer now :)15:33
TheBootroow00t: Sailfish still uses bits from old MeeGoTouchFrameWork ?15:33
w00tit involves less ifdefs (since it does most of the work for you), it's specifically set up for setting the right properties and so on, all the time, not just when boosted - for example we require QQuickWindow::setDefaultAlphaBuffer(true) to get proper transparent covers, etc15:34
kontiolocusf: ah yeah it's about the multiple instances running15:34
w00tTheBootroo: not anything more than a "M" prefix on names here and there, we haven't had anything involving meegotouch since .. a long long time ago15:34
locusfkontio: yes, is X-Nemo-Single-Instance=yes enough? my launcher doesn't use invoker as its not in libsailfishapp format15:35
TheBootroow00t: ok15:35
Venemow00t: I don't understand. I need a bunch of ifdefs just to support Sailfish anyway, how does an additional Sailfish-specific API make it any simpler?15:35
kontiow00t: or thp can you help locusf with X-Nemo-Single-Instance=yes stuff, I don't know exactly how it works...15:35
locusfkontio: about the second issue, I don't know how to zoom the SilicaWebview15:35
w00tlocusf: sup15:36
locusfw00t: Actual result:15:36
locusfOn the screen there is two Active cover the application, so it means that there are 2 instances of the same application running at the same time15:36
locusfExpected result: there should be only one Active cover of this apps15:36
w00tVenemo: you don't need to Q_DECL_EXPORT your main just for sailfish, you don't need to set up a bunch of crap in your build system to get it to the right paths, etc, etc - if you don't want to use it, just don't, nobody is holding a gun to your head15:36
locusfso I guess I need the X-Nemo-Single-Instance15:36
w00tlocusf: the default should be single instance15:36
w00tlocusf: can you give me an RPM?15:37
locusfw00t: sure, a moment15:37
Venemow00t: I'm just saying that I already have a bunch of ifdefs to support various weird platforms and I'm not sure how this would help me any more15:37
w00tVenemo: for your particular case, maybe it doesn't - I don't know, I'm not writing your application15:37
kontiolocusf: sorry about the silicawebview, I have no idea... broadcast ask here and on mailing list :-)15:37
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Wntshould the ssh login banner and System settings About product show the new version " (Laadunjärvi)" after the update has been installed?15:38
locusfkontio: its pretty dumb to ask for something which isn't possible to implement, but ok, I'll ask around :)15:38
Venemow00t: also, when can we use the mainline Qt Creator for Sailfish development instead of this outdated fork?15:38
w00tlocusf: sec..15:38
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lbtVenemo: we're keeping the fork updated with Digia - but again we have limited resources15:39
Venemolbt: perhaps you didn't understand the question15:40
w00tlocusf: X-Nemo-Application-Type=no-invoker <- why?15:40
thplocusf: <- that's the magic behind the "X-Nemo-*" keys - it just modifies the invoker command line that's generated15:40
w00tlocusf: removing that from the desktop makes it work15:40
lbtVenemo: just commenting that 'outdated' isn't that much of an issue15:40
locusfw00t: no libsailfishapp15:40
locusfw00t: oh it works otherwise?15:41
w00tlocusf: it isn't just for sailfishapp15:41
thplocusf: libsailfishapp doesn't have antyhing to do with invoker15:41
lbtVenemo: I admit it would be better if it was merged into upstream - I'd like that too15:41
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Venemolbt: why isn't it?15:41
thplocusf: except that libsailfishapp's header defines Q_DECL_EXPORT on your main for you15:41
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lbtVenemo: partly due to licensing - we started (and still use) a version that has sailfish logos in it15:42
thplocusf: and single-instance launching is part of invoker, so you have to use invoker (and should, anyway - for startup performance reasons) if you want single-instance, which you usually want15:42
TheBootroolbt: maybe just group SF stuff in a plugin, and put all the rest of patchs mainline15:42
Venemolbt: why isn't there a version (without the sailfish logos) in the upstream Qt SDK that I can download from qt-project?15:42
locusfthp: okay15:43
Venemolbt: that'd just make my life a lot easier15:43
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lbtTheBootroo: it is significantly in a pluin15:43
lbtVenemo: that was the idea15:43
TheBootroolbt: i mean, we could dl SDK on QtProject, and add the plugin from SF wesbite15:43
Venemothp: interesting mix of glib and Qt in that code15:43
lbtupstream are a little cautious about how we're doing things15:43
lbteg the VM approach15:43
Venemoyes, that's a terrible approach15:43
Venemobut still15:44
locusfw00t: so just removing it made the single instance back to normal?15:44
lbtsure it is15:44
TheBootrooVenemo: i disagree, VM is cool15:44
thpVenemo: hehe ;)15:44
lbtVenemo: it would be much better to support all the toolchains natively on all different platforms :D15:44
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w00tlocusf: yes15:44
thplocusf: why not use libsailfishapp, out of curiosity? you'd have to use MDeclarativeCache manually if you want to make use of boosters otherwise15:44
TheBootroolbt: VM solution seems much easier to me15:44
lbtTheBootroo: ty :)15:44
Venemolbt: actually there used to be a solution for that in Harmattan (and even Fremantle) - I never quite understood why you didn't go with that one15:45
locusfthp: old code, my app was coded in June afaik15:45
w00tlocusf: time to update! ;)15:45
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locusfso newer migrated15:45
locusfapparently so15:45
lbtVenemo: because $$15:45
thplocusf: should be easy, you mostly only need to replace the creation of QGuiApplication and QQuickView with getting those already instanciated from libsailfishapp instead15:46
TheBootroolbt: that said, QtProject SDK has plugins for iOS, Android and BB10 platforms and some are using VM stuff, so i see no reason at all why SF one would be rejected15:46
lbtVenemo: we wanted to support windows, mac, all linux.... and we can15:46
Venemoanyway, it'd be a LOT cooler if the Sailfish support would be there in the upstream Qt Creator download15:46
lbtTheBootroo: I didn't see why either ... but it's also partly a QtC issue15:47
TheBootrooVenemo: sure, that isn't the issue15:47
Venemothe way it is now, it's not cool15:47
TheBootroolbt: oh, ok15:47
lbtthe older QtC used to insist on running qmake/make on a native platform15:47
thplocusf: + include the libsailfishapp header before your main() definition, so Q_DECL_EXPORT is done for you15:47
lbtI made qmake a proxy to "ssh VM qmake"15:47
TheBootroolbt: i contributed too Qtc recently, didn't seemed too much restrictive to me, but sure my patchs weren't as bug as yours15:48
thp(Q_DECL_EXPORT is needed because the booster dlopen()s your main binary and then dlsym()s your main function)15:48
lbtyeah - and sadly it's not an area I'm working on atm15:48
lbtmaybe when we get the sources out the community can help get it upstreamed15:48
locusfthp: ok15:49
locusfthp: will qmlRegisterType's work this way?15:49
locusfin this main function I mean15:49
thplocusf: if you do it before setSource(), then yes it should15:50
TheBootroolbt: i would happily help you if i can and find some time15:50
lbtTheBootroo: yep - that's essentially our problem too15:50
Venemoalso, is there a Q_OS_SAILFISH or similar ifdef?15:51
locusfthp: I'll deploy to my Jolla in a moment to test15:51
thpVenemo: you can use on libsailfishapp to check if the target is sailfish15:52
thpVenemo: and DEFINES += whatever you want in that block15:52
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Venemolike this? packagesExist(libsailfishapp) { ... }15:52
locusfthp: any QT stuff to take note of, I added CONFIG += sailfishapp but still get compile error15:52
thplocusf: can you pastebin the error?15:53
thpVenemo: packagesExist(sailfishapp) { ... }15:53
locusfthp: sure,
Venemothp: great, thank you15:54
thplocusf: did you add "CONFIG += sailfishapp" after TARGET = and before any possible other pkg-config stuff in your qmake .pro file?15:54
locusfthp: hmm no15:54
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Venemoalso, is there a way to implement swipe lock?15:55
thplocusf: you have ssh access to your sailfish sdk build VM?15:55
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faenilVenemo, it's in the mailing list15:55
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Venemofaenil: link please15:55
faenilit's a wm hint iirc15:55
locusfthp: yes15:55
Venemofaenil: I don't know how to do a wm hint in wayland :(15:56
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thpVenemo: Qt::WindowOverridesSystemGestures15:56
Venemofaenil: I used to know how it's done in X15:56
thplocusf: if you cat /usr/share/qt5/mkspecs/features/sailfishapp.prf you'll see what "CONFIG += sailfishapp" does for you15:57
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Venemothp: if I enable/disable the flag on-the-fly will it work?15:57
faenilVenemo, also here
thpVenemo: it should, yes (haven't tested it myself yet)15:57
faenilah thp replied already15:57
faenilVenemo, yes it should work on the fly (from what I've heard)15:58
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Venemogreat, thanks thp & faenil15:58
thplocusf: so you can either do CONFIG += sailfishapp or do the steps in the .prf file manually15:58
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thplocusf: the nice thing about CONFIG += sailfishapp is that it also puts your "qml/" folder into the right path, installs the target, .desktop file and icon as well15:59
Bloobgetting 'Invalid property name' on EnterKey for TextField :F16:00
locusfthp: really? thats cool :)16:00
locusfthp: that apparently means more migration stuff for me :p16:00
Venemowhat lib should I link against if I want to use the Sailfish version of MDeclarativeCache?16:00
thpVenemo: libsailfishapp wraps MDeclarativeCache for you16:01
Venemothp: I don't want to use libsailfishapp at the moment16:01
thpVenemo: you should. but if you don't want to for some reason, just use the normal #include <MDeclarativeCache>16:02
Venemothp: sure, but that wasn't the question16:02
thpVenemo: and then MDeclarativeCache::qApplication() and MDeclarativeCache::qQuickView()16:02
Venemothp: ok, but what lib should I link against?16:02
Venemoie. I don't know the name of the library16:02
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locusfthanks for the update btw :)16:03
thpVenemo: PKGCONFIG += qdeclarative5-boostable16:03
Venemothank you TheBootroo16:03
Venemothank you thp16:03
thpVenemo: the lib itself is called mdeclarativecache516:03
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thpbut do the PKGCONFIG dance, as it adds some more flags than just -lmdeclarativecache516:03
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Venemothp: ok, I'm doing it16:05
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locusfthp: now my application .desktop and icon are not installed at all16:07
Venemothp: does Sailfish have any kind of splash screen support?16:07
locusfthp: eg. reflected to yaml16:08
thpVenemo: no splash splash screen16:08
thplocusf: you still have to put the install path into the yaml/spec files16:08
locusfthp: ah ok16:08
Venemowhy not?16:08
thpVenemo: because if you app doesn't start up quick enough, you should just make it so that it does16:09
Venemothp: okay, I get it :)16:09
thp(by e.g. not loading everything up front, but just showing a light view if you do some heavy loading later16:09
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thplocusf: also, your .desktop file must be named like TARGET=, but that's kind of a good idea, anyway (and required by harbour)16:09
thpsame for the icon16:10
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Venemothp: so my desktop file should be named harbour-my-app.desktop?16:10
thpVenemo: yep16:11
thpand icon file as well.. harbour-my-app.png16:12
thpsee also "Where must this $NAME be used?" in
Venemookay, thanks thp16:14
locusfhmm this was a bad idea16:14
MFaro-Tusinogoodnight guys (happy hacking)16:15
Venemowhy does Qt Creator underline #include <MDeclarativeCache>16:15
Venemoit doesn't underline #include <mdeclarativecache5/MDeclarativeCache>16:16
thpVenemo: *cough*uselibsailfishappinstead*cough*16:16
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Venemothp: sailfishapp would kind of mess up my current code16:16
thpVenemo: i'd say it would mess up your code less than using MDeclarativeCache by hand16:18
thpexcept maybe if you're already partially using MDeclarativeCache somewhere16:19
Venemothp: why? this is just two additional ifdefs16:19
Venemothp: also one more ifdef for the swipe lock, but that's somewhere else16:19
thpget rid if the ifdefs ;)16:20
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Venemothp: I need different native calls on Symbian, Blackberry and Harmattan. I also need to distinguish between Qt4 and Qt5 somehow16:22
Venemothp: I'm open to your suggestions of course, I'd be glad to get rid of the ifdefs :)16:23
locusflibsailfishapp expects my main.qml to be in /usr/share/$TARGET/qml/$TARGET.qml16:24
locusfwhich of course isn't16:24
Venemothp: is this how you enable swipe lock? view->setFlags(view->flags() | Qt::WindowOverridesSystemGestures);16:25
Venemoand is this how you disable it? view->setFlags(view->flags() ^ Qt::WindowOverridesSystemGestures);16:25
thpVenemo: first one yes16:26
thpsecond one would be xor (^), you want & ~ instead16:26
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Venemothp: ah, okay16:27
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Venemoseems that PKGCONFIG += qdeclarative5-boostable doesn't work16:31
VenemoI get undefined reference16:31
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w00tto what?16:33
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Venemoto MDeclarativeCache::whatever16:33
Venemoadding LIBS += -lmdeclarativecache5 solved it16:33
Venemomeh, virtualbox died :(16:33
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Venemocan't kill it16:35
Venemookay, brb16:37
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Venemook, now it's working16:39
VenemoQt::WindowOverridesSystemGestures doesn't work16:39
Stskeepsin emul?16:40
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Venemoalso, app is quite slow in the emulator... I hope it's gonna be better on a real device16:41
Stskeepsyeah, the thing allowing that didn't get in there, works fine on device16:41
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locusfany idea why my c++ classes are no longer visible to QML after migrating to libsailfishapp?16:42
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Venemowhich QML import contains DocumentGalleryModel?16:46
Venemois it import QtDocGallery 5.0?16:46
faenilI think so16:46
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Venemothen I'm screwed16:47
Venemoit's not supported by the harbour16:47
Venemois there an image picker component that I can use?16:47
Venemolbt: I found one more bug. even though I selected "deploy by copying binaries" it still builds an RPM package16:49
Venemois there a bug tracker where I can report these?16:49
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locusfthp: still here?16:57
locusfor w00t16:57
locusfanyone with Qt stuffs :)16:57
locusfI had earlier view->rootContext()->setContextProperty calls in my code but where do I put them now?16:58
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Venemolocusf: see
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Venemolocusf: SailfishApp will give you a view17:01
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locusfVenemo: yeah tried that but it didn't work17:02
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locusfany source code available to that header?17:04
VenemoI don't know17:05
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Venemoalso, it seems that both getenv("LANG") and QLocale::system().name() return "C"17:17
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Venemoanyway, brb17:23
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locusfNB: there is a heuristicZoom method in WebView17:59
w00tlocusf: it should work18:03
w00tlocusf: use createView to get the view, set it up, and then show it18:03
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locusfw00t: I got it, thanks :)18:13
locusfheuristicZoom doesn't work18:15
locusfkontio: if you'd mind to tell Dorota that I can't make the zooming happen :/18:15
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locusfkontio: I have fixed the other issue18:18
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locusflbt: btw, the template app can't be deployed via your hack page :)19:25
locusfhow could I create a cover which just reflects the apps content?19:31
fk_lxlocusf: do not define cover19:32
locusffk_lx: oh ok19:32
fk_lxlocusf: as far as I remember, if an app doesn't have cover, then it shows the current page in background mode19:32
locusffk_lx: it didn't work :p19:33
locusfonly shows "Default Cover"19:33
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fk_lxlocusf: maybe try setting initial page as cover19:35
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fk_lxI remember that getting your app view as cover was very easy, but how was it done, hard to say19:35
locusfokay :)19:37
locusfI'll probably wait till tomorrow19:37
locusfhad to start updating my apps code based on the comments in Store :)19:38
locusfoh so buggy pieces of software19:38
locusfI shouldn't have probably published one19:38
locusfbut anyways, its there19:38
fk_lxlocusf: the important thing is to constantly improve, that builts real value19:45
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lbtlocusf: oh? why not?19:49
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* artemma wonders if "Number of apps submitted yesterday" in harbour includes app updates or lists only first time submissions20:28
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AmbyR00hello! I just got my Jolla from the mail and I've got a couple of questions concerning the workings of the os.21:49
Yanielask away21:50
AmbyR00First is the timeout in the social accounts creation, my passwords are long and complicated, so writing them is a bit tedious and takes a long time with the virtual keyboard, it always times out before I can complete the registration21:50
AmbyR00and the second thing is, I tried to move files from my computer to the phone, but can't find them on the phone21:51
Stskeepshow'd you move them? with MTP?21:52
AardAmbyR00: what kind of files?21:52
AmbyR00I tried a couple of video files, and a few .apk files from my G121:53
AardAmbyR00: did you put them into subfolders?21:53
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AmbyR00I created a sub folder in the Videos directory, moved the video files there, then moved the apk's to the Downloads directory21:53
Aardok, that should work21:54
Aardand have it show up in gallery after a while21:54
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AmbyR00it refreshes with a delay?21:54
AmbyR00it's been now about 10 minutes21:55
Yanielisn't there a way to force the gallery to refresh?21:55
Yaniellike on symbian21:55
Yanielat least the music library had that21:55
AmbyR00no idea, I'm coming from android21:56
hoelzroAmbyR00: lucky you =)21:56
hoelzroyou must've ordered right away =/21:56
AmbyR00yep, I think I made the order on the second day21:56
AmbyR00could've been the first, not sure :)21:57
Sarviwhat was your delivery number?21:57
Sarvior toimitusnumero21:58
AmbyR00i wonder... missäs sen pitäsi näkyä? :)21:58
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AmbyR00tilausnumero 10000158121:59
Sarvimine was in an email that i received i think yesterday22:00
hoelzroI keep checking my order page to see if there's news =S22:00
AmbyR00aha, toimitusnumero: 10000089022:01
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Sarvimine is 100000816, but haven't seen my phone yet22:01
hoelzrodepends on the country, maybe?22:02
FireFlyMine is 20000360 ,_,22:02
AmbyR00I didn't get a notification from the mail service, I was proactive and watched the delivery status from the web.22:02
Latexi95Has anyone tried Sailfish on N9? I managed to install it today but it's too buggy to use :(22:02
Sarvimy order number was 10000170822:02
Sarvihoelzro: probably does, but i think we both live in finland22:03
hoelzroah, that would be why AmbyR00 got theirs first22:03
hoelzrobut it doesn't explain the out of sync order numbers22:04
AmbyR00as soon as it had reached our local post office I went and grabbed it. Had a problem there though, as I'd photographed the delivery number with my ADP1, and was trying to show it to the clerk, my phone died22:04
hoelzroFireFly: I'm right in front of you =/22:04
AmbyR00Sarvi: you'd be right about that. I'm in Lahti22:05
Sarvihmm... i live right next to tampere, something like 100kms between us22:05
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AmbyR00no idea how to make the files visible on the phone22:07
Sarvinope :/22:08
Yanielenable dev mode and cd to the right folder :D22:09
Yanielno but there should be a way to force it to refresh the file index22:09
Yanielor whatever it uses22:09
YanielSarvi: mine is around 100000300 and the package is somewhere in itella's care22:10
Yaniel(I think)22:11
Sarvimine's too, it was sorted at some logistics center yesterday22:13
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Sarviyea, that one :D22:14
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AmbyR00don't worry guys, I bet you'll get yours tomorrow22:17
AmbyR00or before christmas anyway22:17
AmbyR00hmm.. now it doesn't seem to get them over bluetooth either, although earlier I succeeded in moving a couple of test files on it22:18
Yanielwednesday best case22:18
AmbyR00moving succeeds, but the phone doesn't seem to see anything22:19
Sarvii've been telling myself that i'll get it for christmas, i'd be stoked if i got it tomorrow22:19
Sarvithere's no file manager?22:20
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cybetteAmbyR00: go to system settings -> transfers, do you see the files via bluetooth there?22:21
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FryeSarvi, not yet22:21
Fryebut devmode and term work22:21
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AmbyR00cybette: didn't see them22:26
AmbyR00I did earlier, when I was trying it out, but after I cleared it, it didn't show me anything anymore22:26
AmbyR00but there's one thing I recall the phone did in between. It updated the os22:27
AmbyR00so could it be the update broke it somehow?22:27
cybettehmm, try rebooting? :P22:29
AmbyR00I did a factory reset, hope that works :)22:30
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AmbyR00hmm... did the factory reset also remove the os update?22:46
faenilAmbyR00, I was about to tell you that22:47
faenilfactory reset *is* factory reset :P22:47
AmbyR00weird ;)22:48
faenilAmbyR00, ?22:49
AmbyR00ok, well I will have to update it then... actually, now the bluetooth transfer worked, it asked me if I wanted to accept the files22:49
AmbyR00which it didn't do before the reset22:49
faenilAmbyR00, update again then, and if doesn't work anymore, I'll file a bug :)22:49
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AmbyR00uhh... problems with teh shop22:51
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raa70try without wlan22:51
AmbyR00does the yandex store have to be installed if I want to run android apps?22:52
AmbyR00I just removed it and it wants to install android support again22:52
Latexi95Should I be able to connect to internet without WLAN? (using Sailfish + N9)22:52
faenilAmbyR00, I think that's an allinone22:53
AmbyR00so I can't remove yandex without breaking the android support?22:55
AmbyR00ah... it says there's a problem with the installation of aliendalvik, and it wants to install android support again... maybe I should reset it again ;)22:56
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Latexi95Should I able to connect to internet through cellular network?23:03
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EztranYes, but I think there's a bug with Android apps doing that or something, where you have to start on WLAN? Could be completely out with that one.23:04
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Latexi95If I open the browser it asks to choose internet connection but it only offers wlan.23:06
EztranMight need to set up network manually first.23:06
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lpotterif the modem/sim isn't ready or he connection context is not setup, you will see only wlan there23:07
Latexi95it shows that I have 3.5G connection23:07
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lpotterthats not a data connection. go into settings->mobile network23:08
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Latexi95lpotter: hm... and?23:09
lpotterwhat is under the 'Mobile data' header?23:09
Latexi95ooh... If I press that "internet" think long it opens more options23:10
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EztranThat's the one. If you know your service provider's settings, you can probably sort it from there?23:11
lpotterwell, even if that info is wrong, it would still show up in the connection dialog23:11
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Latexi95it works23:13
Latexi95I had to write APN name23:14
Latexi95thanks :)23:14
dank101how do i install Sailfish on android?23:14
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raa70One doesn't simply install Sailfish on android23:15
raa70wait 6months, come back and ask again... if you get same answer repeat the last steps23:17
dank101why thanks for the help...23:18
Eztrandank101: Right now, simplest solution is probably to wait a while. There've been rumours floating around that it'll become easier, it'd currently be a really tricky project.23:18
dank101Eztran, thanks for the actual help23:18
lbtit won't be 6 months23:20
lbtdank101: but it's not quite ready yet23:20
lbtif you're happy building CM from scratch then it may be sooner23:21
Hurrianlbt: I'm guessing running Sailfish on top of libhybris is the official way to run it, abandoning running directly on top of Wayland?23:24
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specialHurrian: hybris provides a lot more than just graphics.23:25
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lbtlibhybris lets you use wayland on the droid GPU23:25
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Latexi95hm... Yandex.Store doesn't open. It starts loading but it wont open23:27
Hurrianah, so instead of Sailfish->Wayland->Kernel DRM/KMS, it's Sailfish->Wayland->libhybris->SurfaceFlinger drivers->Output?23:27
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lbtHurrian: yes23:33
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