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| smokex | how do you add folders to the gallery? | 05:22 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | edit the tracker no? | 05:25 |
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| Konsta | Hi, any news on linux kernel source release for Jolla device? | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | Konsta: yes, it's available on the OSS DVD if you send a source code request by post, we haven't gotten sane infrastructure set up to just dump the sources there yet, as ideally we should be doing it on git and not do codedumps (we're working on this) | 08:51 |
| Konsta | Stskeeps: wow, year 2013 and I have to send regular mail to receive source code on a DVD :P | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | Konsta: i know.. :P | 08:53 |
| Konsta | yeah, git would be awesome. just set up a company github account and push :) | 08:53 |
| zuh | Better to do it right late than wrong in time, IMO :) | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | but in truth anyway, because our recovery abilities are a bit bad on device, it may first make sense to tinker with kernel and such when you can safely recover your device on your own | 08:59 |
| MFaro-Tusino | what would be the sailfish equivalent of apt-get install -d package | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | as we cannot provide flashing images | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | MFaro-Tusino: -d ? | 08:59 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | download only | 09:00 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | pkcon install --help? | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:02 |
| MFaro-Tusino | hahaha | 09:03 |
| Konsta | Stskeeps: I'd just like to investigate the source at this point (like changes comparing to CAF and what it would take to boot Sailfish on other QCOM devices). And I wouldn't even consider purchasing a device until GPL bits are made publicly available.. | 09:03 |
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| Stskeeps | understood | 09:04 |
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| kor | Stskeeps: if one was in helsinki, could i just show up and grab the dvd instead of waiting for the postal service? | 09:19 |
| smokex | Stskeeps: do you guys have plans to set up a gerrit repo similar to the way Qt has done? | 09:20 |
| special | smokex: for what? | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | smokex: a large majority of the stack is already on github | 09:21 |
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| smokex | Stskeeps: where on github? | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | mer-packages, nemomobile, nemomobile-packages, etc | 09:29 |
| smokex | you mean nemo? | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:29 |
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| smokex | some of the silica text inputs print ? to the screen when buttons like 42 - lshift is pressed on a hardware keyboard | 09:31 |
| smokex | it probably hasn't been noticed on the jolla device because it has no hardware keyboard - yet | 09:31 |
| smokex | is there a bug tracker somewhere, where I can put a bug report? | 09:32 |
| flux | stskeeps, there should be a page linking to those repos explicitly, it seems google has not quite caught on to them yet :) | 09:35 |
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| special | flux: "yet"? they've existed for years :p | 09:41 |
| flux | but not associated to sailfishos or jolla | 09:41 |
| flux | even 'nemo' is a bad keyword | 09:41 |
| flux | or perhaps my google-fu is bad, I didn't find useful repositories with recent commits with my yesterday googling | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | sailfishos.org | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:41 |
| MFaro-Tusino | best source of info for getting device set up as sdk target? | 09:42 |
| flux | so how many clicks from http://sailfishos.org/ for the first relevant source packages? | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | flux: fair | 09:42 |
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| smokex | MFaro-Tusino: sdk target looks for ssh | 09:44 |
| flux | well, I'm hoping these things will be addressed soonish, I can wait :) | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | flux: yeah, i was working a bit on something like that but got distracted | 09:44 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yes, but i get a "alpha 2 sdk does not support arm" | 09:44 |
| smokex | :D | 09:45 |
| flux | stskeeps, keep up the good work! | 09:45 |
| jake9xx | MFaro-Tusino: if you have 1310 build of sdk, you need to select 'deploy method arm' and then it builds arm rpms | 09:45 |
| MFaro-Tusino | 131021 build? | 09:46 |
| smokex | 10 - 21 - 2013 | 09:47 |
| smokex | alpha 2 | 09:47 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yes - i know smokex - though found there is an update - so am updating now | 09:48 |
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| artemma | My Wikipedia for Sailfish update is in Approved state for 36+ hours already (not going to published). I guess app pushing gnomes also went to help device packaging and shipment :) | 10:01 |
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| leinir | they weren't joking when they said all hands ;) | 10:02 |
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| sdjayna | artemma: latest version is in, yesterday was busy as i'm sure you'll understand ;) | 10:09 |
| artemma | sdjayna: I am not complaining, just funny observation :) | 10:09 |
| artemma | and well, I would actually expect app pushing gnomes right now to go help device packaging if needed | 10:10 |
| sdjayna | artemma: it will be automated probably by the end of the week, so it'll be less of a tease in future | 10:11 |
| * artemma is hoping for emil notifications about statuses Apple App Store style at some point | 10:11 | |
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| louai | so this might be an obvious question, but how do I deploy things to my Jolla phone? I can run things in the i486 emulator and build an arm binary, but I can't quite figure out where to go from there. help? | 10:26 |
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| lpotter | scp the package to device. then use pkcon install-local to install it | 10:32 |
| louai | lpotter: how do I generate the package? I can copy over the binary + the qml files (just tried, works) but I can't seem to locate the rpm. | 10:33 |
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| lpotter | make sure the arm build is selected. Then Build->deploy | 10:37 |
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| lpotter | if there is no arm build, select it from Projects button->Add Kit-> | 10:38 |
| louai | lpotter: did that - as I said, I can build the binary | 10:38 |
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| louai | but hitting the hammer to start the build doesn't generate an rpm and the play button is disabled (can't deploy through that) | 10:38 |
| lpotter | ok. build->deploy will create the package and tell you where it is | 10:38 |
| louai | what do you mean by build->deploy? | 10:38 |
| lpotter | from the menu at top of creator | 10:39 |
| louai | heh, never knew that was there | 10:39 |
| louai | thanks | 10:39 |
| louai | Cannot find file: C:Usersloal-khawhatsfishwhatsfish.pro. | 10:39 |
| louai | my backslashes seem to have gone missing | 10:39 |
| louai | any idea? | 10:39 |
| lpotter | or right click on project name in the project tree and select Deploy from there | 10:39 |
| lpotter | use two \\ | 10:40 |
| MFaro-Tusino | seems i cant deploy to device | 10:40 |
| louai | where? those commands are autogenerated | 10:40 |
| MFaro-Tusino | or any even create a arm rpm | 10:41 |
| lpotter | MFaro-Tusino: sdk does not have deploy to device just yet. | 10:41 |
| MFaro-Tusino | well i added device as linux device | 10:41 |
| lpotter | menu Build->Deploy, or right click project name in project tree and select Deploy | 10:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | thinking it would allow me to create an arm rpm but no luck | 10:42 |
| lpotter | it does | 10:42 |
| lpotter | you need arm build "Kit" setup first | 10:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | When i created the project i added arm kit | 10:43 |
| louai | interesting, my whole project seems to have gone missing (empty directory now), I wonder if I made that happen somehow | 10:43 |
| MFaro-Tusino | odd - seems mersdk vm never installed | 10:43 |
| louai | only the .pro.user file left | 10:43 |
| louai | lpotter: thanks for the help, I got the rpm now | 10:45 |
| lpotter | \0/ | 10:46 |
| louai | I think there's a need for a whatsapp client ;) | 10:46 |
| lbt | louai: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish_SDK_Hacks | 10:46 |
| lbt | that's an interim hack for rpm building deployment | 10:46 |
| louai | lbt: thanks! that pretty much explains all the details of how to properly script things up | 10:47 |
| MFaro-Tusino | lbt: Will that hack fix this > Fatal: deploy must have a valid --device | 10:48 |
| lbt | hopefully it should be invalid in a few days | 10:48 |
| lbt | MFaro-Tusino: yes | 10:48 |
| MFaro-Tusino | \O/ | 10:48 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yay | 10:48 |
| lbt | I admit I don't do the deploy from QtC at the moment | 10:48 |
| lbt | mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl make && mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -d Jolla_custom deploy --pkcon | 10:49 |
| lbt | run from the src dir inside the VM ... but I'm a cli guy :) | 10:49 |
| louai | I just copied it to the device through windows explorer and ran pkcon manually on the device, works for now | 10:52 |
| tortoisedoc | FYI, email client still not working | 10:52 |
| tortoisedoc | (sorry for the random sentence) | 10:52 |
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| lbt | tortoisedoc: ? | 10:52 |
| tortoisedoc | what's the email client's package? | 10:52 |
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| tortoisedoc | lbt : 1.0.1.5 -> email working -> update to 1.0.1.10 -> email credentials check fails | 10:53 |
| tortoisedoc | plus other strange stuff | 10:53 |
| tortoisedoc | like rebooting device -> two exchange accounts appearing instead of one | 10:53 |
| lbt | reported to care? | 10:53 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 10:53 |
| tortoisedoc | no :| | 10:54 |
| tortoisedoc | maybe I should | 10:54 |
| lbt | please do | 10:54 |
| tortoisedoc | yep | 10:54 |
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| tortoisedoc | done | 11:06 |
| tortoisedoc | I can imagine you guys might be busy :D | 11:06 |
| MFaro-Tusino | odd - can't ssh to mersdk, though i can ping it so I know its connected | 11:07 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt : do you by chance know anything about an eta for nemo-transfer-engine allowed in the store? | 11:07 |
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| tortoisedoc | MFaro-Tusino : timeout on connection or refused key? | 11:07 |
| MFaro-Tusino | nothing | 11:07 |
| MFaro-Tusino | just hangs | 11:07 |
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| lbt | tortoisedoc: I don't know about nemo-transfer-engine - it doesn't sound 'app-y' enough for the store at the moment; does it build purely against the existing APIs ? | 11:13 |
| lbt | tortoisedoc: would a community repo be a better way to handle this for the moment? | 11:13 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt: i think it builds fine, and actually is already on device | 11:14 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt : community repo is ok but store is more visible of course :P | 11:14 |
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| lbt | agreed - I'm hoping to address that too | 11:15 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | What do I need to include for QSystemInfo? | 12:04 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | assume its qsysinfo | 12:10 |
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| tortoisedoc | MFaro-tuniso : in project file, QT += sysinfo ? | 12:37 |
| tortoisedoc | (first hand thought that comes up) | 12:37 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I found I needed to install a package to target | 12:43 |
| MFaro-Tusino | but I can't work out how to get it to include | 12:44 |
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| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, hello, was it you having issues with exchange and latest update ? | 12:44 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : yes I have been and submitted a ticket to car3 | 12:44 |
| tortoisedoc | *care | 12:44 |
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| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, what happens ? some error or just does not sync anymore ? | 12:45 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : does not even authenticate | 12:45 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, have you tried to remove the device in the web and configure account again ? might be that the device is configured with 14.x protocol that is not supported | 12:46 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : it would say "credential check failed" or something | 12:46 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, ah, during account setup ? | 12:46 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx: but now from the Accounts section when pulling down "Configure server settings" it wont even show the settings page | 12:46 |
| tortoisedoc | yea | 12:47 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, does your server provides valid certificates ? | 12:47 |
| VDVsx | ie trusted | 12:47 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : does self-signed fall into the "valid" category of cers? :D | 12:47 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, yes | 12:48 |
| tortoisedoc | then yes | 12:48 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, currently Jolla does not have cert management yet, and in latest release we fixed a vulnerability related to that, so probably is why this is failing now | 12:48 |
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| VDVsx | i.e only checks again certificates on device, user can't add yet their own | 12:49 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx: I see, this sounds related yes, but FYI it used to work previously | 12:49 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, yes, was not checked before :) bug in our side | 12:49 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : so if I remove the certs from the device it might fix it? | 12:49 |
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| tortoisedoc | :D | 12:49 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, no, you have to add the certificate instead | 12:49 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, ssl handshake fails due to that, then it wont connect to your server | 12:50 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : aah close :P | 12:50 |
| tortoisedoc | how to do that? via ssh I assume? | 12:51 |
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| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, certs are under: /etc/ssl/certs/ | 12:52 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, I'm not a security expert, so not 100% sure if just copy will be enough, but you can try if you want | 12:53 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : this reminds me, which package is wget in? | 12:53 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, own package I guess, but seems is not here | 12:55 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, do you know where is wget ? some mer repo ? | 12:55 |
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| * tortoisedoc without wget feels lost | 12:59 | |
| Wnt | kaltsi: You mentioned the wrong irc network in your email to the devel list :P | 12:59 |
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| Wnt | we are on freenode, not IRCnet :) | 13:00 |
| tortoisedoc | there is indeed a wget package on obs | 13:01 |
| tortoisedoc | https://build.merproject.org/package/binaries?package=wget&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Aapps&repository=latest_armv7hl | 13:01 |
| tortoisedoc | but pkcon does not seem to know it :/ | 13:01 |
| Wnt | tortoisedoc: there is curl on the device | 13:02 |
| Wnt | it can do most things wget is used for | 13:02 |
| tortoisedoc | only "most" things :P | 13:02 |
| tortoisedoc | (joke) | 13:03 |
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| Wnt | e.g. "curl -O <url>" downloads the url, guesses a sane name from the url or headers and saves it to the current folder | 13:05 |
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| Stskeeps | there's no wget because it's gplv3.. | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | on device, preinstalled, at least | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | curl -O is good | 13:05 |
| kaltsi | Wnt: yes I did.. :) | 13:07 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : aha I see; this explains, thanks! | 13:08 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : ok this seems to make it connect (no connection error anymore) | 13:10 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : but still, no server settings dialog shown | 13:11 |
| Konsta | Stskeeps, would it be possible to boot a kernel with 'fastboot boot boot.img' on a Jolla device? Afaik you can boot into fastboot mode with vol down + pwr. It would be a safe way to test things. | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | Konsta: it is, but you need to unlock the device and that is at your own warranty risk if something breaks | 13:12 |
| Konsta | Stskeeps: you mean bootloader is locked? | 13:13 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, did you recreate the account ? are you searching for that dialog under the pulley menu after account created ? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | Konsta: just standard qualcomm stuff, no special code required to unlock | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | but it will write 'unlocked' at bootup | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | Konsta: nothing relying on it in sailfishos | 13:14 |
| Konsta | Stskeeps: ok, and that unlock status is permanent and it can be read later (after returning to stock)? | 13:16 |
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| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : ok actualization does not really actualize anything; will try to recreate the account | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | Konsta: i didn't play much with it but it survives factory reset as it's a bit of a step up from potentially breaking your device with developer mode | 13:17 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, it pins to certs so will not work, is that a old account or new after update ? because account shouldn't be saved if credentials fail, if so there a bug | 13:18 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx: account is new after update | 13:18 |
| Konsta | Stskeeps: yeah agreed, though people on some forums have said that even enabling developer mode _might_ void your warranty | 13:18 |
| Konsta | at least that it says that in some legal text in finnish | 13:19 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, humm, strange shouldn't be created in this case | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | Konsta: it does say that yes - which is fair, if your action when having full control of the device causes it to fail, the responsibility is on your side (i'm not a lawyer, so don't count me as saying anything official in this regard..) | 13:20 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : the magic of the word "should" eh ? :) | 13:20 |
| VDVsx | :) | 13:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Konsta: i personally void warranties of any device i can get my hands on :P | 13:20 |
| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, thanks a lot for checking this stuff :) | 13:20 |
| Konsta | Stskeeps: me too :P | 13:21 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : my pleasure, its great to work with you guys (and on a less important note I also would need emails on my phone) | 13:22 |
| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : any idea of which format of certs are supported? | 13:23 |
| tortoisedoc | I need to doublecheck I downloaded the correct one | 13:24 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: what if the device fails due to other reasons (like, manufacturing defect) but it was in developer mode when it happens? | 13:25 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: i'm not the warranty deciding guy, the text says 'may' | 13:27 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: okay | 13:27 |
| leinir | so, i'm guessing that would translate into "if you broke it, it's on your head, but we'll take that into account when looking at what broke" | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | it makes it a lot easier to assess those things if you look at those two flags, so i'd claim that it's more of a help to the consumer than a blocker | 13:29 |
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| VDVsx | tortoisedoc, should be .pem and .crt | 13:39 |
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| tortoisedoc | VDVsx : thanks | 13:46 |
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| Venemo | w00t: what's up with QtDocGallery? | 13:53 |
| Venemo | w00t: could you please-please allow it in harbour apps? | 13:53 |
| fk_lx | w00t: open up harbour more! open up harbour more! ;-) hehe | 13:54 |
| w00t | Venemo: not until the API is stable upstream - it's never gotten an official release | 13:54 |
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| Venemo | w00t: but then... my app is not making it to harbour | 13:56 |
| Venemo | w00t: how can I implement the image picker without that component? | 13:56 |
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| w00t | I don't have a good answer for that right now | 13:57 |
| Wnt | isn't it always possible to include a library like that statistically in your own package? | 14:01 |
| Venemo | w00t: but my app is boooring without that :( | 14:01 |
| Wnt | or does this library link to other unallowed libraries? | 14:01 |
| Venemo | Wnt: statistically? | 14:02 |
| Venemo | Wnt: you mean statically | 14:02 |
| w00t | Wnt: so long as it's in your application's paths, it's fine | 14:02 |
| tortoisedoc | w00t : any chance to see nemo-transfer-engine plugins allowed in harbour soon? :) | 14:03 |
| Wnt | I mean copy paste the library source code to your own project, maybe rename it and use that | 14:03 |
| locusf | hmm app rejected because of the lack of persistence | 14:03 |
| tortoisedoc | locustf : lack of persistence of the app or the dev? :P | 14:03 |
| locusf | tortoisedoc: I'd have to save the items in a list to somewhere | 14:04 |
| w00t | locusf: what's the rejection reason in full? (and which app is this) | 14:04 |
| Venemo | w00t: what happens if the reviewer fails to notice that I use QtDocGallery and the app slips in? | 14:05 |
| locusf | w00t: http://pastie.org/8544708 | 14:05 |
| locusf | w00t: its my quicklist | 14:05 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: he will notice that, they are using scripts to detect not allowed imports in QML ;-) | 14:06 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: my advice is to get that QtDocGallery with you app package, I did the same thing with other QML stuff not allowed in Harbour | 14:07 |
| fk_lx | *your | 14:07 |
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| Venemo | fk_lx: will they disassemble the executable to get hold of my QML? | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: we have small elves that review it bit by bit | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:08 |
| w00t | no process is completely foolproof. but if you pass QA with something that isn't allowed, we reserve the right to (and will enjoy) breaking your application at any point :-p | 14:09 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo: well you can bring up anything you want with your own package, when it's in your app path, so really consider including that QtDocGallery into your app | 14:10 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: probably easiest option now | 14:10 |
| locusf | and seems that my database adventures are not allowed either | 14:10 |
| * w00t wonders when someone will prototype a Sailfish file picker dialog | 14:10 | |
| locusf | database path I meant | 14:10 |
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| w00t | locusf: hmm? | 14:11 |
| fk_lx | w00t: do you expect community to do it? | 14:11 |
| w00t | fk_lx: I expect anyone who is interested to do it | 14:11 |
| locusf | w00t: it was about /home/nemo/.config | 14:11 |
| w00t | locusf: I don't follow sorry | 14:11 |
| locusf | w00t: okay | 14:11 |
| locusf | I chatted more with lbt on that | 14:12 |
| fk_lx | w00t: ok :-) | 14:12 |
| lbt | locusf: ? | 14:13 |
| fk_lx | w00t: but what sense in making your own file picker dialog if Jolla for example will soon provide it's own one. Waste of effort? | 14:13 |
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| Venemo | fk_lx +1 | 14:13 |
| Venemo | w00t: I heard rumours of an image picker dialog in a private API somewhere | 14:14 |
| fk_lx | w00t: of course fun of learning etc. but at the same time people can do useful things that Jolla doesn't plan to do/provide | 14:14 |
| lbt | w00t: I think we'd have to be clear about what licensing we'd accept for a community picker too | 14:14 |
| locusf | lbt: you remember yesterday? | 14:14 |
| lbt | eg BSD | 14:14 |
| lbt | locusf: when? | 14:14 |
| w00t | sitting back and waiting for things to come to you is one approach, leading the way and showing things you'd like to be done is another | 14:14 |
| lbt | today-1 ? | 14:14 |
| locusf | lbt: yes | 14:14 |
| lbt | no | 14:14 |
| locusf | lbt: ok :) | 14:14 |
| Venemo | w00t: in any way, what is the correct solution right now to make an image picker dialog on Sailfish, in a harbour app? | 14:15 |
| lbt | sorry - what in particular did we discuss? | 14:15 |
| tbr | lbt: what's the submission process for the sailfish thingy on MOBS? | 14:15 |
| w00t | Venemo: there isn't anything pre-built at the moment | 14:15 |
| locusf | lbt: %files section with attr | 14:15 |
| lbt | tbr there is no thingy ... there is only home | 14:15 |
| lbt | locusf: oh yes | 14:15 |
| lbt | oh yes | 14:15 |
| lbt | well technically I was right | 14:16 |
| lbt | but policy wise I was wrong | 14:16 |
| locusf | yes :) | 14:16 |
| lbt | but tbf the policy wasn't written yesterday | 14:16 |
| locusf | heheheh yep | 14:16 |
| tbr | lbt: I thought there was a project/repo where we could as a community gather things. instead in "someone's" home | 14:16 |
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| lbt | tbr: what should it be called? | 14:17 |
| lbt | sailfishos:chubb | 14:17 |
| fk_lx | w00t: well, to lead the way you must know that what you are doing makes sense - if Jolla wants to provide it's own file picker in next update it does a little sense to do own one | 14:17 |
| tbr | lbt: I'm not firm in OBS naming conventions | 14:17 |
| lbt | I meant sailfishos:chum | 14:18 |
| lbt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chumming | 14:18 |
| tbr | heh, nice idea :D | 14:20 |
| lbt | my suggestion is sailfishos:chum:1.0.1.10 which should contain apps which work against that release | 14:20 |
| lbt | and tbr - would you like to gatekeep it? | 14:21 |
| tbr | lbt: can do, but I'll probably need some hand holding in the beginning. Haven't done that before. | 14:21 |
| tbr | I'll probably try it out tonight with mosh and dependencies. :) | 14:21 |
| lbt | sure - just do some QA on SRs - eventually we'll boss-ify you | 14:21 |
| tbr | I know that builds and is just git backed, so quite easy | 14:22 |
| tbr | yup | 14:22 |
| tbr | just haven't done SR handling so far | 14:22 |
| tbr | \o/ | 14:22 |
| lbt | what's your account name | 14:24 |
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| Venemo | w00t: if I include QtDocGallery in my package, is that okay? | 14:28 |
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| lbt | locusf: we didn't finish I don't think | 14:31 |
| lbt | prepare to store persistent data in /home/nemo/.local/share/$APPNAME | 14:32 |
| lbt | config in /home/nemo/.config/$APPNAME | 14:32 |
| lbt | you'll need to check/create them on app startup - but that should be done by libsailfishapp 'soon' | 14:33 |
| lbt | thp can he actually use: $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/$NAME and $XDG_DATA_NOME/$NAME yet? | 14:35 |
| thp | yes, that should be possible. as XDG Base Dir spec says, if the environment variables are not defined, defaults should be used instead | 14:36 |
| thp | "If $XDG_DATA_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.local/share should be used." | 14:36 |
| thp | and "If $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.config should be used." | 14:36 |
| Venemo | w00t: when can I expect the QtDocGallery API to get stabilized? | 14:36 |
| lbt | ty | 14:36 |
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| thp | and don't hardcode /home/nemo/ and check for XDG_CONFIG_HOME first, obviously ;) | 14:37 |
| thp | something akin to "if (XDG_CONFIG_HOME is set) { use $XDG_CONFIG_HOME } else { use $HOME/.config } + append $NAME to the result" | 14:38 |
| thp | where $HOME is again taken from the environment, not hardcoded to /home/nemo/ | 14:38 |
| veskuh | thp, lbt No env variables please. These things need to work in Qt. | 14:38 |
| thp | veskuh: env variables work in qt? | 14:38 |
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| veskuh | thp, I mean datadirs need to work | 14:39 |
| thp | veskuh: QStandardPaths you mean? | 14:39 |
| veskuh | yes | 14:39 |
| thp | veskuh: the idea is to fix standard paths to do the right thing, so later one, QStandardPaths should be usable | 14:40 |
| thp | s/one/on/ | 14:40 |
| veskuh | thp, yes, that should be what we recommend. | 14:40 |
| thp | veskuh: right now, i think QStandardPaths uses XDG, but then also uses QApplication's organization name and application name, which is usually something weird / undefined without extra code - at least it's not guaranteed to be $NAME (harbour-*) for now | 14:41 |
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| thp | veskuh: plus, there will be non-Qt apps at some point (SDL2-based apps, pure GLES/Wayland-EGL apps) and those need to have a way to determine these locations too, so defining it in standard terms is a good thing, anyway | 14:42 |
| fk_lx | nice conversation, I wonder when and if my Python questions will be answered at some point, still didn't got the answers at #nemomobile | 14:45 |
| Venemo | good question, I think many other people are interested in python as well | 14:46 |
| Yaniel | cooooool sshfs looks awesome | 14:49 |
| Venemo | thp: aren't you the guy in charge of python? | 14:50 |
| lbt | we need to get mer:python3 stable first | 14:51 |
| lbt | or something | 14:51 |
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| Venemo | lbt, thp, surely, but I don't see why are you this secretive about this python stuff | 14:54 |
| tbr | lbt: I think all it needs is some apps to be created to prove that it's actually stable | 14:54 |
| Venemo | lbt, thp, all I see in the channel logs is that Filip is asking questions about it and nobody replies | 14:54 |
| lbt | secretive? | 14:54 |
| fk_lx | lbt: now the thing is that my questions aren't replied unless they are repeated by someone else | 14:54 |
| lbt | tbr: yes, agreed | 14:55 |
| lbt | fk_lx: it was you I was replying to | 14:55 |
| lbt | I was just busy doing some OBS stuff :) | 14:56 |
| lbt | like a community repo which could have python in it :) | 14:56 |
| lbt | which could then be used to show Jolla how it might work | 14:56 |
| thp | Venemo: we're on it. developers can test packages using mer:python3 for now. for harbour, we need to get it into the relevant middleware repos, and that is being worked on. everything is in the mer-python3 and nemomobile-packages repos in the open, it's just a matter of time to get everything promoted. | 14:56 |
| Venemo | you see I'm not on IRC a lot nowadays, so I get myself up to speed with the channel logs sometimes | 14:57 |
| Venemo | so I came accross this: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-12-03.log.html#t2013-12-03T10:45:06 | 14:57 |
| tbr | lbt: agreed, let me fix my user thing | 14:57 |
| lbt | https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=sailfishos%3Achum%3A1.0.1.10 fyi | 14:57 |
| tbr | \o/ | 14:57 |
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| faenil | lbt, awesome stuff | 15:00 |
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| tbr | lbt: I created the account 'tbr' (I'm phasing out 'dm8tbr' that's why) | 15:13 |
| Venemo | how come you're phasing out dm8tbr? :P | 15:14 |
| lbt | you need to login to obs first | 15:14 |
| Venemo | what did dm8 stand for anyway? | 15:14 |
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| tbr | lbt: ah, done now and home project created | 15:18 |
| lbt | fixed chum | 15:18 |
| tbr | *bow* | 15:21 |
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| sledges | TI's DM8xxx ? ;P | 16:05 |
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| tbr | sledges: lol... I think that stuff actually exists, but uses numbers for the x's | 16:21 |
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| sledges | plethora of dm8xxxx SoCs out there | 16:24 |
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| sledges | 8xxx | 16:25 |
| * sledges is working on one now | 16:25 | |
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| lilltiger | So i want to try out SailfishOS on my N9, but i have the old dualboot thing before uniboot, and i have the incorrect Open Mode (the one where all passwords etc are forgotten) so i need to reflash it from start. Can anyone point me to where i fins the images to flash in linux, i used navifirmplus for windows last time, but I am on linuc now. Or any tip on a channel where to ask. | 16:36 |
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| lilltiger | Found then I think | 16:44 |
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| Yaniel | I'm guessing support for enterprise-wpa is just missing from the UI? | 16:52 |
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| Stskeeps | Yaniel: does connman support it? | 16:52 |
| Yaniel | no idea, that's why I'm asking | 16:53 |
| Yaniel | at least just trying to connect failed | 16:53 |
| locusf | w00t: so whats the verdict on my list application not storing the items when closed, is it a dealbreaker or not :) ? | 16:54 |
| Yaniel | so I'm thinking of trying to connect via terminal | 16:54 |
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| w00t | locusf: good question and i'm not entirely sure.. isn't it already in store? | 17:00 |
| locusf | w00t: it is with same functionality | 17:00 |
| locusf | I just wonder why the behaviour is not accepted anymore and was on launch day :p | 17:01 |
| w00t | locusf: someone different looking, likely | 17:02 |
| * w00t will ask | 17:02 | |
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| locusf | w00t: it isn't Michal reviewed both versions :p | 17:02 |
| locusf | ah no | 17:02 |
| w00t | then I have no idea :) | 17:02 |
| locusf | it was dorota who accepted quicklist | 17:03 |
| w00t | will let you know though | 17:03 |
| locusf | okay thanks :) | 17:03 |
| HeikkiL | Good evening. I have kind of noobish question. How do actually deploy sailfish project on my phone. I have tried now "rpm -vhi" with no success it says that libc.so.6 is needed. | 17:03 |
| faenil | HeikkiL, that usually means you're trying to deploy a x86 binary and running it on an arm device ( the phone) | 17:08 |
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| HeikkiL | faenil the file suffix is armv7hl.rpm so it shouldn't be x86 binary | 17:33 |
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| faenil | HeikkiL, yeah but it happens if you don't clean the build directory after building the emulator version | 17:34 |
| faenil | jake9xx, how do you clean the rpm dir when you have the x86 binary on arm issue | 17:35 |
| faenil | (from qtcreator, that is) | 17:35 |
| faenil | is clean from gui enough? | 17:35 |
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| jake9xx | faenil: I run make distcelan on shell | 17:37 |
| jake9xx | distclean, even | 17:37 |
| faenil | HeikkiL, ^ | 17:37 |
| jake9xx | HeikkiL: in upcoming sdk release we support shadow building, so architectures should not clash anymore | 17:41 |
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| HeikkiL | Hmm so what should I exactly remove. I am running the IDE on windows? | 17:42 |
| HeikkiL | distclean is not then an option? | 17:42 |
| jake9xx | distclean needs to be done from cmdline | 17:43 |
| jake9xx | you cannot call that directly from qtc | 17:43 |
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| ron_frown | gentlemans | 18:20 |
| ron_frown | I had a question of opensource | 18:20 |
| ron_frown | is the licensing analagous to android | 18:20 |
| ron_frown | ? | 18:20 |
| tbr | no | 18:20 |
| tbr | it's not licensed under apache license if you're asking that | 18:21 |
| ron_frown | I am considering using sailfish for some hardware I am dinking around with | 18:21 |
| ron_frown | but if its some crazy involved licensing process or expensive, or not even open... I can just move on | 18:21 |
| tbr | you can also use mer + nemo | 18:22 |
| tbr | that's already 100% open | 18:22 |
| tbr | sailfish is basically the UI layer and being open sourced at the moment | 18:22 |
| ron_frown | ahh | 18:22 |
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| ron_frown | so theoretically in the near future it could be | 18:24 |
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| ron_frown | something I could pick up and drop on new hardware | 18:24 |
| HeikkiL | faenil and jake9xx _big thanks_ for help! Got it working! | 18:31 |
| lbt | ron_frown: what kind of hw ? | 18:31 |
| HeikkiL | So cool that own app is running on the phone :) | 18:33 |
| faenil | HeikkiL, great :) | 18:34 |
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| ron_frown | lbt - right now omap 5432 | 18:44 |
| ron_frown | I have some other omap and freescale hardware as well | 18:45 |
| lbt | and what kind of form-factor/device are you looking at? | 18:45 |
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| ron_frown | lbt semi tablet | 19:07 |
| ron_frown | its not really a tablet, but definitely more of a 4:3/16:9 | 19:08 |
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| Venemo | ha! my app's been approved! | 19:23 |
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| chrila | Hi! Can anyone help me, i'm trying to show the application window from within a CoverAction! activate() doesn't work somehow..? | 19:25 |
| Jonni | chrila: sdk or real device? there is a bug in sdk that it doesnt work on current version. | 19:27 |
| chrila | i'm on sdk (still waiting for the device ;) ) Ok then this explains it! Thanks :) | 19:28 |
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| Venemo | chrila: don't trust the emulator | 19:31 |
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| chrila | Venemo: will be careful in the future! | 19:35 |
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| lbt | ron_frown: was eating ... OK - so you should look at Mer for sure - take a look at how that works and nemomobile | 20:07 |
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| piggz | where can i get a sailfish svg icon background? | 20:33 |
| vgrade | evening piggz | 20:36 |
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| piggz | lo vgrade | 20:36 |
| piggz | im doing the _important_ app stuff ... icons :) | 20:36 |
| vgrade | piggz: good to hear | 20:38 |
| vgrade | developer , developer , developer | 20:39 |
| Morpog_Mobile | piggz: https://github.com/Morpog/jolla-icon-shapes | 20:39 |
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| piggz | Morpog_Mobile: thx! | 20:40 |
| vgrade | ever noticed on of the shapes is same as fedora logo shape | 20:40 |
| piggz | Morpog_Mobile: you ust have created that in windows ;) | 20:41 |
| vgrade | and also from their website, homepage http://fedoraproject.org/ | 20:41 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Piggz, well i've grown up with it and with amiga os :) | 20:42 |
| piggz | Morpog_Mobile: got a a1200 + hd +net in the attic ;) | 20:43 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Nice, just had a 500 with upgraded ram :) | 20:43 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Without hdd, but a 2nd floppy drive ;) | 20:44 |
| piggz | yeah, i only have a 500 as a kid .. then @ work someone _gave_ away a 1200, i had to ahve it :) | 20:44 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Understandable | 20:45 |
| piggz | mmm, with 2 floppys, you could play jesus-on-e;s demo without swaping disks! | 20:45 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Floppy loading sound burnt into my brain | 20:46 |
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| piggz | https://twitter.com/adampigg/status/410873975133052928 | 20:50 |
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