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coderus | about video in Sailfish on N9: there is a but in GStreamerVideoOutput and in Jolla packaged gstreamer. If manually compile gstreamer sources from official site and replace GStreamerVideoOutput by plain VideoOutput you can watch videos. | 08:54 |
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* coderus means bug in GStreamerVideoOutput, just a typo :) | 08:54 | |
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Frye | Got my first reject | 09:04 |
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Frye | Pull down menu items cannot be clicked??? I thought one used the pull down menu with pulling down and letting go on correct item :-) | 09:04 |
Frye | Well keeps me busy few more days. | 09:04 |
Nicd- | you can click them if you pull completely down (the menu freezes there) and then click on one | 09:05 |
Frye | Yeah, I just never use it. And when I accidentally pull the menu all the way out I hate myself. | 09:06 |
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Frye | For some reason one of the items seems to mask the menu and it is not clickable =( But works fully on pull down and select. And it does not work with z: | 09:10 |
Frye | argh | 09:10 |
Frye | How can I get the pulldown to be the topmost | 09:10 |
Frye | :D | 09:10 |
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cos | has anyone managed to sync contacts with N9(50)? i'm gettin g "Connection failed" when trying to sync from N950 | 09:26 |
cos | bluetooth pairing works | 09:27 |
flux | works for me(TM) | 09:28 |
flux | in N9 | 09:28 |
flux | and I did it the same direction as you did | 09:29 |
flux | (I don't know if jolla has software for syncing from n9) | 09:29 |
cos | settings | sync & backup | sync | select device | sync? | 09:29 |
flux | yes | 09:30 |
flux | well | 09:30 |
flux | I paired and set the device trusted | 09:30 |
flux | I don't quite remember the specifics | 09:30 |
cos | did that already | 09:30 |
cos | hey, now it started syncing | 09:30 |
flux | see? complaining on irc helps always :) | 09:30 |
kengu | always | 09:30 |
flux | it didn't transfer profile images, though | 09:31 |
cos | yep, complaining + randomness seems to work :-) | 09:31 |
cos | i think the images are leeched from facebook anyways in harmattan | 09:31 |
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flux | well, I don't use facebok so I think that's highly unlikely for me | 09:31 |
flux | but I did have a few contacts with self-assigned photos | 09:31 |
cos | you can't be sure, facebook owns everyone :-) | 09:32 |
flux | I didn't say I was sure, only that it was highly unlikely :) | 09:32 |
flux | (ah, the engineer's escape hatch) | 09:32 |
Frye | W0h00, I fixed it! | 09:33 |
Frye | But now I have a telco starting so I need to postpone the resubmission | 09:33 |
flux | it's better to think over the fix anyway :) | 09:34 |
cos | yep, the sync was success. maybe it's time to move sim finally.. | 09:34 |
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Frye | Nah it was a brainfart in the early stages | 09:34 |
Frye | I started the game with SilicaFlickable but while learning I just was not able to make it work | 09:34 |
Frye | Then I tried SilicaListView and some other change and it worked | 09:34 |
Frye | And I just forgot to roll back to flickable | 09:35 |
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cos | is the mass media mounted with usb connection the removable sd card? | 09:41 |
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cos | it just causes an error on ubuntu, probably because i don't have a card inserted | 09:42 |
kaltsi | no it doesn't required the sd card | 09:43 |
kaltsi | what ubuntu, what error? | 09:44 |
cos | "Sorry, could not display all the contents of "Sailfish": Failed to get folder list: -1: Unspecified error" | 09:44 |
kaltsi | which ubuntu | 09:45 |
kaltsi | version | 09:45 |
Nicd- | cos: jolla doesn't mount as mass storage, it uses mtp | 09:45 |
cos | kaltsi: 13.10, running cinnamon 2 as desktop | 09:46 |
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cos | afk lunch | 09:48 |
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cvp | g morning : | 09:56 |
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cvp | hey guys is there a way to mark all emails as read ? ... over terminal is ok, if its possible | 10:20 |
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cos | what was the cmd line package menager to install a package from repos? | 10:34 |
Raim | pkcon | 10:35 |
cos | thanks | 10:40 |
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cos | hm, i wonder what red "Disconnected" bar means. wlan? bluetooth? facebook? | 10:52 |
cos | that's a clear place for usability improvement :-) | 10:52 |
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tortoisedoc | hmm | 10:54 |
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leinir | cos: the bar is social stuff, so facebook and so on, yeah :) | 10:56 |
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cos | yep, it works! :) http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ko739g26e4M/UrGA0JD4YaI/AAAAAAAAAko/SkmUuN2QxDo/s1600/13120030.jpg | 11:04 |
nahkiss | what's that | 11:07 |
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cos | siilihai web forum reader | 11:11 |
cos | just tested first time on real device | 11:11 |
cos | http://siilihai.blogspot.fi/2013/12/siilihai-mobile-for-jolla-sailfish.html | 11:12 |
nahkiss | oh cool, I assume it's yours? | 11:13 |
cos | yep | 11:13 |
cos | i already submitted it to harbour, but it'll take some time to be published | 11:13 |
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nahkiss | not familiar with siilihai as a software, is it using tapatalk "protocol" | 11:14 |
cos | it supports tapatalk | 11:14 |
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miksuh | damn.. looks like I'm not going to get my phone before christmas.... I checked my order yesterday, and it's status was stiöö "paid" ... | 11:20 |
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miksuh | well it's not that big problem. I'll spend most of the christmas visiting my parents and friends anyway :) | 11:22 |
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matt_1979 | Hi, while deploying an application to my Jolla device, I get the following error "error while loading shared libraries: libsailfishapp.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", this works fine on the emulator... I've run a find over the whole device and that library does indeed not exist. Is there something additional I need to do when setting up the project in QT Creator? Thanks in advance | 11:25 |
matt_1979 | . | 11:25 |
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jake9xx | matt_1979: do you deploy as rpm or deploy as binaries? | 11:40 |
matt_1979 | Currently binaries which I suspect is where I'm going wrong | 11:41 |
jake9xx | yes, try once deploy as rpm. that fixes the issue | 11:41 |
atlaz | is the correct way to install the package as pkcon install-local packagename? | 11:42 |
jake9xx | yes | 11:42 |
jake9xx | and it can be done as user 'nemo' | 11:43 |
matt_1979 | Fantastic, works a treat :) thanks a lot | 11:44 |
kaltsi | matt_1979: when you deploy your app as RPM, it will also install any other package that you app depends on... the required packages must be specified in the 'yaml' file | 11:44 |
kaltsi | matt_1979: it's enough to once use the rpm deploy method to pull in the requirements.. after that you can use "deploy as binaries" since you should have all the requirements installed (it's a bit faster than the rpm deploy) | 11:45 |
matt_1979 | right | 11:48 |
matt_1979 | thanks for the tip :) | 11:48 |
kaltsi | np.. one more thing to keep in mind: if you deploy as binaries, you won't get an icon on the homescreen, so the icon you see is from the version of your application that was deployed as rpm | 11:49 |
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atlaz | I was thinking on trying to develope an app for Jolla during the holidays. A triplog to be used in my car, so that i can track private driving and company driving | 12:03 |
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atlaz | It should plot start position, end position and the route. Using GPS | 12:04 |
Acce | hey, what is the preferred way for passing data between QML Pages? By signals? | 12:04 |
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Nicd- | Acce: don't know about preferred but signals work | 12:08 |
Acce | Nicd-: ok, do i need to pass the signals through the pageStack? | 12:08 |
Nicd- | I'm sorry, I'm too much of a newb to answer that | 12:11 |
Acce | ok, I'll try to find out it somewhere then | 12:12 |
Frye | I send data between .js and qml via pageStack | 12:12 |
Frye | But I'm also not the best person to answer how it should be done. | 12:13 |
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Acce | Frye: you have static .js? | 12:13 |
Frye | I have some logic on a separate .js file. | 12:14 |
Frye | And then I have the UI on qml, and some portions of the displayed data eg in dialog.qml comes form the .js which also opens the dialog. | 12:15 |
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Acce | I see | 12:15 |
Frye | But that is just the way I got it working. No idea how it should be done :D | 12:15 |
Frye | If you want to take a look at the code it's in bitbucket | 12:16 |
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Acce | if you could give me a link I'd appreciate it :) | 12:17 |
Frye | https://bitbucket.org/FryeX/samegame | 12:18 |
miksuh | ooh!! Now the order status is "Picking" \o/ :-) | 12:18 |
miksuh | Maybe I will get my device before christmas, great :) | 12:20 |
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raa70 | itella will f*ck it up, you wont get it till january | 12:30 |
pp_ | :-) | 12:31 |
pp_ | or at least the post office will be a hellish place | 12:31 |
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pp_ | I got mine before the big xmas rush at the closest smartpost, no queue | 12:31 |
pp_ | but apparently now those are full of unpicked xmas presents -> chaos | 12:32 |
cos | i picked mine yesterday and there was surprisingly short queue. last week they were much longer. | 12:36 |
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cos | btw any geocachers around? can you recommend an application for it? | 12:37 |
pp_ | c:geo seems to work (need to use OSM) | 12:38 |
nahkiss | miksuh: order # ? | 12:38 |
pp_ | latest nightly won't crash with google maps (but won't work either) | 12:38 |
cos | pp_: is it for android only or is there a sailfish port? | 12:41 |
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Frye | \o/ Approved. | 12:42 |
Frye | I need to go and make some victory coffee | 12:42 |
Frye | Small step for Developer, but huge leap for wannabe like me :D | 12:43 |
Acce | Frye: grats, I'll be testing it shortly :p | 12:43 |
yunta | Frye: what app? | 12:44 |
Frye | Samegame | 12:44 |
Frye | I guess it takes some time after approval before it's visible in store. | 12:46 |
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atlaz | Robert Blomerus. Is he related to the infamous LEIFI PLOMEROS? | 12:49 |
Frye | :D No Idea, never asked... | 12:52 |
pp_ | android | 12:57 |
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pp_ | I suppose a harmattan -> sailfish port of agtl/cacheme wouldn't be that difficult | 13:05 |
pp_ | but obviously needs a non-trivial effort | 13:05 |
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Frye | pp_, I guess the ui needs an overhaul to make the most of the sailfish components | 13:06 |
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pp_ | git clone and hack the qml until it works :P | 13:14 |
Frye | :D | 13:17 |
pyksy | sounds like a plan | 13:17 |
Frye | That's the way I'd do it | 13:17 |
Frye | although most likely it would never work in my case :D | 13:17 |
Frye | Trial and error is not the best approach | 13:17 |
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psedlak | hi, any idea why bash is not sourcing .profile/.bash_profile/.bashrc in Terminal? not for nemo not for devel-su ... :/ | 13:19 |
pp_ | [nemo@localhost ~]$ git clone https://github.com/webhamster/advancedcaching.git | 13:22 |
pp_ | check | 13:22 |
yunta | psedlak: are you logging in with ssh? | 13:24 |
psedlak | yunta: for ssh it works, but for local app, terminal, it does not | 13:24 |
yunta | ah, that thing | 13:25 |
Frye | pp_ Nice | 13:25 |
psedlak | yunta: but what's weird even when i there in "terminal" invoke (nested) bash/bash -l | 13:25 |
yunta | weird | 13:26 |
Frye | Does someone here know what is the delay between app approval in harbour and it's availability in store. I'm wondering if I have forgot something :D | 13:28 |
pp_ | ... ok, there the triviality ended :-) | 13:31 |
yunta | Frye: iirc it's almost random :P - ping us when you get impatient (but not yet :P) | 13:32 |
Frye | Hehe, I'm not impatient. I can play the game already =) | 13:33 |
Frye | But after tomorrow I might get impatient | 13:33 |
yunta | sounds sane | 13:34 |
Frye | Just thinking if there is a publish button, but that question is already on the submit page. | 13:34 |
Frye | So should be ok from my side and end up in store some time later. | 13:35 |
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whippler | So i have a label with long text an cover, how do i make it go into more rows, now half clips out from the sadi | 13:37 |
whippler | *side | 13:37 |
pp_ | lol, I now have a "List Geocaches" menu! | 13:37 |
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Frye | whippler, I'm not sure you can wrap text with lavel. Maybe use TextArea and set it to read only? | 13:38 |
Frye | label... | 13:38 |
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whippler | hmm | 13:39 |
coderus | whippler: set width, set wrapMode: Text.WordWrap or Text.WrapAnywhere | 13:39 |
coderus | whippler: you should have fixed width to use wrapMode. | 13:40 |
Frye | Ah, it seems to be possible in Label too :D | 13:40 |
whippler | the wrapMode: Text.WordWrap is not working for me on the label in cover | 13:41 |
coderus | Frye: label based on Text element, just applied Silica styles by default. | 13:41 |
Frye | yeah | 13:41 |
coderus | whippler: did you set width or left and right anchors to label? | 13:41 |
Frye | Anyway now I'm off to celebrate my first application approval ever. | 13:41 |
Frye | Need to make some coffee :D | 13:41 |
whippler | nope | 13:41 |
coderus | whippler: you should to that | 13:41 |
attah | does anyone know the status on hls (http live streaming) support? | 13:42 |
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whippler | coderus: oh yes, its working now, thanks | 13:43 |
whippler | compiler is giving me waring that some files are listed twice, wonder why is that | 13:47 |
attah | i mean this is in gstreamer "typefindfunctions: application/x-hls: m3u8".. but i'm slightly too retarded to take it from there | 13:48 |
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laubblaeser | hey there, received my jolla phone today and was trying to do a phone call. sadly the microphone isnt working. anyone here who could help me? | 14:14 |
MFaro-Tusino | laubblaeser: Join #JollaMobile | 14:15 |
MFaro-Tusino | This is more dev-related | 14:15 |
laubblaeser | alright, thank you mfaro-tusino. much appreciated. | 14:15 |
MFaro-Tusino | Good luck! | 14:15 |
attah | Okay.. this seems to be an issue: "Missing element: application/x-hls decoder" It seems to be missing from the plugins-bad package :( | 14:17 |
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raa70 | Found a bug in People/Ihmiset app, when you long press a favorite, choose edit, close/accept edit, long press another favorite and it opens the information of the first one | 14:27 |
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veskuh | raa70, thanks. I'll make sure that is in our bugzilla. | 14:30 |
veskuh | raa70, should be fixed in next release | 14:31 |
raa70 | sweeet | 14:32 |
whippler | when i build the RPM packet, the compiler gives a warning for each of my files that they are listed twice O.O | 14:32 |
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ln- | whippler: let me guess: you have listed each file and directories? | 14:40 |
whippler | hmm could be | 14:41 |
whippler | but in the end, does it matter for uploading to harbour | 14:42 |
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kaltsi | whippler: it does not matter.. they are listed twice because of an issue in qt creator yaml parser | 14:43 |
ln- | i don't know, probably not, but the point is that if you list directories, everything under them is packaged without explicitly mentioning each file. | 14:43 |
ln- | at least for regular rpms on regular Linux distros.... | 14:43 |
whippler | kaltsi: okey, thanks | 14:44 |
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Elleo | I'm guessing by the presence of org.freedesktop.Notifications on dbus that this is the mechanism being used for notifications? | 15:04 |
Elleo | does that actually support multiple notification sinks? from glancing at the docs it seems aimed at just having one sink that takes the org.freedesktop.Notifications address and handles all notifications itself | 15:05 |
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joecool | is there a way to add a sip account in sailfish anywhere? | 15:40 |
joecool | native sip client implemented? | 15:40 |
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vicdavery | hi to all, just got my Jolla | 15:43 |
vicdavery | and am having trouble ssh'ing to it from linux | 15:43 |
vicdavery | anyone else had success with this? | 15:44 |
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Pnuu | vicdavery: have you enabled developer mode? | 15:44 |
Pnuu | atleast via wifi the ssh login works nicely | 15:45 |
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vicdavery | yes, and enabled the allow to connect with ssh | 15:45 |
attah | and set a password? | 15:45 |
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vicdavery | ah, didn't know you could connect via wifi | 15:45 |
vicdavery | I generated a password, but the connection doesn't even get as far as asking me. It just times out | 15:46 |
attah | you can't connect to it over the cellular nw, if that's what you tried.. | 15:46 |
vicdavery | no I'm trying over usb | 15:47 |
attah | ah, okay.. haven't tried that.. but wifi works great anyway | 15:49 |
vicdavery | I can connect over wifi, so that should be fine. thanks for tipping me off. | 15:49 |
vicdavery | I think my main problem was getting it to be recognised as a usbnet device on my linux machine | 15:49 |
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attah | sounds about right, i'd be happy if i could get my mac to recognize it as anything at all.. :( | 15:50 |
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vicdavery | thanks for your help everyone | 15:52 |
Pnuu | no prob | 15:53 |
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cvp | special you are still here ? | 15:58 |
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rcg | evening | 17:51 |
rcg | are there somewhere icon templates for sailfish osß | 17:51 |
rcg | *? | 17:51 |
rcg | i am referring to the application icons used in the apps view | 17:51 |
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Morpog_PC | rcg I made templates | 17:57 |
Morpog_PC | not official, but come damn close to them | 17:58 |
Morpog_PC | https://github.com/Morpog/jolla-icon-shapes | 17:58 |
Morpog_PC | just change the gradient colors to your likings and maybe disable gradient repeating | 17:58 |
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rcg | Morpog_PC, great, that's highly appreciated. thx :) | 18:02 |
Morpog_PC | you're welcome :D | 18:02 |
Jonni | rcg: Morpog_PC: and official templace is also coming soon.... | 18:02 |
Superpelican_ | hello | 18:02 |
Wnt | Morpog_PC: great templates indeed, I too used them when creating my application icon :) | 18:03 |
Morpog_PC | Jonni, haha yeaj, Jolla "soon" :D | 18:03 |
Superpelican_ | Could someone help me packaging my little app | 18:03 |
Superpelican_ | (it shouldn't be that difficult, it doesn't have any dependencies aside from the common Sailfish/Qt stuff) | 18:03 |
Jonni | Morpog_PC: or lets say in the near future :) | 18:03 |
Superpelican_ | I've already asked it on the ML | 18:04 |
Superpelican_ | but didn't get much response | 18:04 |
Superpelican_ | So I thought I'd try here | 18:04 |
Wnt | It would be really nice to have a public bugzilla or similar system | 18:05 |
Wnt | just noticed a bug in the contacts application and it seems a bit counterintuitive to write an email about it to the mailing list | 18:06 |
Superpelican_ | Morpog_PC:BTW I have a created an icon for my app using your logo :) http://ubuntuone.com/1VLIEETttTBZeX6YlipHSb | 18:06 |
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Superpelican_ | Morpog_PC:I just slabbed your logo on the default icon ;) | 18:07 |
Morpog_PC | nice ;) | 18:07 |
Superpelican_ | I think it looks quite decent | 18:07 |
Superpelican_ | now I only need to get my app packaged | 18:08 |
Superpelican_ | can't wait to run it on my Jolla :) | 18:08 |
Wnt | anyway the issue is that if I have a contact that is (automatically) merged from a Facebook and Google contact, one cannot add a phone number to the contact | 18:08 |
Wnt | as a workaround one can create a new contact with same first and last name and add the phone number there | 18:08 |
Superpelican_ | Morpog_PC:Do you have experience already packaging apps for Sailfish? | 18:08 |
Morpog_PC | Superpelican_, nope | 18:08 |
tuukkah | hey Superpelican_, can't you just use the template project in the sdk? or the helloworld-pro-sailfish? | 18:08 |
Wnt | all 3 contacts seem to be automatically merge | 18:09 |
Superpelican_ | tuukkah: But how do I create an RPM package? | 18:09 |
Superpelican_ | for ARMv7hl | 18:09 |
Frye | Superpelican_, can you run the app in the emulator? | 18:09 |
Superpelican_ | I have already created packages for i586 | 18:09 |
Superpelican_ | Frye: yes | 18:09 |
Superpelican_ | I even have RPMs for i586 | 18:09 |
Frye | Then you need to select the arm Build kit | 18:10 |
Superpelican_ | I know | 18:10 |
Frye | But it's not available? | 18:10 |
Superpelican_ | but it doesn't build RPMs when I do | 18:10 |
Frye | what's the problem? | 18:10 |
Superpelican_ | well there is no problem as far as I know | 18:10 |
Frye | what does it say for compile output in the qtcreator | 18:10 |
Frye | You select the option Deploy by building an rpm package | 18:11 |
Frye | Then you may need to make clean depending on the SDK version | 18:11 |
Superpelican_ | well | 18:11 |
Frye | Then you run Build->Deploy | 18:11 |
Superpelican_ | it doesn't create RPMs I guess when using Build | 18:11 |
Frye | No, Build is not enough | 18:12 |
Superpelican_ | "Run" is greyed out | 18:12 |
Frye | You need to select the deploy yourapp from the build menu | 18:12 |
Superpelican_ | I have already done that ;) | 18:12 |
Frye | That creates the RPM | 18:12 |
Superpelican_ | but it doesn't create an RPM package | 18:12 |
Frye | Or it gives errors on the tab 4 compile output | 18:12 |
Superpelican_ | I've tried both "Deploy As An RPM Package" | 18:12 |
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Superpelican_ | and "Deploy By Building An RPM Package" | 18:13 |
Frye | Ok, please run Clean | 18:13 |
Frye | And clear the tab 4 compile output | 18:13 |
Frye | And then deploy again | 18:13 |
Frye | with the deploy by building an rpm package selected | 18:13 |
Frye | And stuff the output to pastebin or to me in pm | 18:13 |
Frye | I'll see if I can figure it out | 18:14 |
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Superpelican_ | ok | 18:14 |
Superpelican_ | thanks | 18:14 |
Superpelican_ | I'll try | 18:14 |
Frye | There's the brush type icon to clear the previous output | 18:14 |
Frye | when you are in the compile output tab | 18:14 |
Superpelican_ | Frye: http://pastebin.kde.org/pvnq09m9x | 18:18 |
Frye | Ok, give me a moment | 18:19 |
Superpelican_ | to me it seems it never even attempts to build an RPM package | 18:19 |
Superpelican_ | I only see it compiling and make'ing | 18:19 |
Frye | Yeah, did you click the build icon below the greyed out run button? | 18:19 |
Frye | or how did you build it? | 18:19 |
Superpelican_ | the build icon belowthe greyed out run button, yes | 18:20 |
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Frye | Ok, select the Build menu next to file and edit menus | 18:20 |
Frye | And from there the deploy | 18:20 |
Frye | That will also run the rpm packaging | 18:20 |
Frye | Build is only a build. | 18:20 |
Superpelican_ | woohoo | 18:21 |
Frye | And there is no deploy button for this deploy by building an rpm target as far as I know. It needs to be launched from the menu | 18:21 |
Superpelican_ | it created RPMs | 18:21 |
Superpelican_ | :) | 18:21 |
Frye | Gl, and enjoy =) | 18:21 |
Superpelican_ | thanks | 18:21 |
Frye | yw | 18:21 |
Superpelican_ | I'll submit my app to the Harbour soon then :) | 18:21 |
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Superpelican_ | is there also an option to use a nickname as developer name in the Harbour? | 18:24 |
tuukkah | Superpelican_, did you read all the requirements for harbour packaging? | 18:25 |
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Superpelican_ | no I haven't yet | 18:27 |
Superpelican_ | will do that first | 18:27 |
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Frye | Yeah, it's worth it. | 18:27 |
Frye | I spent almost an hour converting my app harbour ready few days back =) | 18:28 |
Superpelican_ | I copied the RPM to my device and installed it with "pkcon install-local" :D | 18:28 |
Frye | Nice | 18:28 |
Superpelican_ | it feels great to finally use it on a real device | 18:28 |
Frye | Yeah, I can imagine | 18:28 |
Frye | Once it's working the requirements are basically naming related | 18:28 |
tuukkah | Superpelican_, good to know install-local. where did you learn about it? | 18:29 |
Frye | Well I think I learned from the pkcon command line | 18:29 |
Frye | I tried installing my rpm with pkcon install myrpm | 18:29 |
Frye | And it complained something and asked did I mean to run install-local iirc | 18:30 |
tuukkah | i see :-) | 18:30 |
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Frye | or was it localinstall I tried | 18:30 |
Frye | from the yum background =) | 18:30 |
Frye | But something like that | 18:30 |
Superpelican_ | well | 18:31 |
Superpelican_ | I tried "install" first | 18:31 |
Superpelican_ | and then it suggested "install-local" | 18:31 |
Frye | Yep sounds familiar | 18:31 |
Superpelican_ | Well I have to leave for now | 18:32 |
Superpelican_ | Bye :) | 18:32 |
tuukkah | good stuff to add to beginner's guide | 18:32 |
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Frye | And now I have the 64G sdcard automounting with btrfs | 18:37 |
Frye | Time to put kids to bed | 18:37 |
Frye | Enjoy | 18:37 |
tortoisedoc_ | ive been looking the whole day | 18:38 |
tortoisedoc_ | which package implements the red notification overlays? | 18:38 |
tortoisedoc_ | ok | 18:38 |
tortoisedoc_ | any sailor could point me in the correct direction? ^ | 18:38 |
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clau_ | hi, does anyone know how logging is done on sailfish os? I've got some random resets on jolla phone and I'd like to check the logs. | 19:29 |
lpotter | journalctl | 19:33 |
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rcg | hmm, i have a strange issue, my app starts when i execute harbour-foo in a terminal but it fails with the same executable name when being called from a desktop file | 19:53 |
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qwazix | is there a way to force an app to open two instances? | 19:55 |
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rcg | qwazix there is | 19:56 |
rcg | just a sec | 19:56 |
Morpog_PC | yeah there is | 19:56 |
Morpog_PC | but forgot howto :) | 19:56 |
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rcg | https://harbour.jolla.com/faq | 19:56 |
Morpog_PC | need to change .desktop file | 19:56 |
rcg | "X-Nemo-Single-Instance=no" | 19:57 |
rcg | btw, with respect to my issue: is there anyway to debug application startup when the app is started via a .desktop file? | 19:57 |
qwazix | rcg many thanks | 19:58 |
rcg | qwazix, yw :) | 19:58 |
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Frye | rcg, journalctl -af I think | 20:04 |
Frye | That on a terminal and then launch the app from the .desktop file | 20:04 |
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rcg | Frye, ah thanks :) | 20:06 |
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tortoisedoc_ | hey Sailors, could anyone tell me which package implements the red notification overlays? | 20:12 |
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Stskeeps | probably jolla-home | 20:13 |
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tortoisedoc_ | StsKeeps : i guess that's closed source still? | 20:16 |
Stskeeps | it is, sorry | 20:16 |
Stskeeps | but | 20:17 |
Stskeeps | the interfaces are public, in case somebody writes a replacement one day | 20:17 |
Stskeeps | and underlying frameworks | 20:17 |
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tortoisedoc_ | stskeeps | 20:18 |
tortoisedoc_ | all I need is the functionality to create an overlay window | 20:18 |
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Stskeeps | okay, maybe i should rather ask what you want to do | 20:18 |
Stskeeps | also, composition is of the devil | 20:18 |
Stskeeps | :P | 20:18 |
tortoisedoc_ | lol | 20:18 |
tortoisedoc_ | i noticed | 20:18 |
tortoisedoc_ | weston / wayland is waaay less flexible than x was | 20:19 |
Stskeeps | it's actually quite flexible | 20:19 |
Stskeeps | :P | 20:19 |
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tortoisedoc_ | (in accessing non-owned surfaces I mean) | 20:19 |
tortoisedoc_ | i tried making a qquickview transparent | 20:20 |
tortoisedoc_ | but mouse buttons still do not go trough it :/( | 20:20 |
qwazix | rcg, unfortunately it doesn't seem to work for the browser :-( | 20:21 |
rcg | qwazix, hmmz, i see | 20:21 |
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tortoisedoc_ | oh well | 20:22 |
tortoisedoc_ | ill keep looking | 20:22 |
qwazix | rcg, trying to emulate N9 behaviour here | 20:24 |
nander | Any continued use may harm you or the device | 20:28 |
nander | lol | 20:28 |
Acce | How are you supposed to use the status property of covers? | 20:29 |
Acce | I get "ReferenceError: active is not defined" when trying status == active, as suggested by Silica reference | 20:29 |
joecool | any sip client written for sailfish yet? | 20:30 |
tortoisedoc_ | Stskeeps, what is mer's input core? | 20:33 |
Stskeeps | tortoisedoc_: maliit, if that's what you mean | 20:33 |
tortoisedoc_ | (api) | 20:33 |
Stskeeps | or which | 20:33 |
tortoisedoc_ | Stskeeps, ah no not QML frontend | 20:33 |
tortoisedoc_ | i mean mer components for input handling | 20:34 |
Stskeeps | ah.. qt compositor -> qevdev* -> evdev in kernel | 20:34 |
tortoisedoc_ | qevdev * :p | 20:35 |
tortoisedoc_ | thanks | 20:35 |
tuukkah | Acce, status == Cover.Active | 20:36 |
Acce | tuukkah: Thanks! | 20:39 |
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nander | At the uniboot stage: USB interface (phonet) not found, waiting... -- notification led starts flashing | 20:43 |
nander | It did send 'ape-algo image' | 20:43 |
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Elleo | is there an equivalent of mafw? | 20:45 |
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Elleo | don't see any promising looking dbus services | 20:47 |
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clau_ | what is the best way of reporting a bug in the Jolla email client? | 20:59 |
clau_ | it looks like it's creating completely empty messages in Trash, while being used with Gmail Imap. | 20:59 |
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tortoisedoc_ | aah yes | 21:00 |
tortoisedoc_ | the email client, thanks clau_, reminded me i have to fix the certificate for it to work :) | 21:01 |
phlixi | tortoisedoc_: might that be the reason for my porblems with imap? | 21:02 |
tortoisedoc_ | phlixi : i do not know, but for me on our company server the cert is self signed and that causes auth to fail | 21:02 |
tortoisedoc_ | phlixi : company is running exchange so imap yes | 21:03 |
phlixi | what do i have to do with such an certificate? can i install that on the jolla? | 21:04 |
tortoisedoc_ | phlixi : i tried yes, but for me it did not work | 21:04 |
tortoisedoc_ | perhaps the format was not completely corret | 21:05 |
tortoisedoc_ | cert goes in /etc/ssl/certs | 21:05 |
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phlixi | and without any filemanager, i guess i will have to do this on command line.. ok, but i think i am able to handle that. thanks for the hint! | 21:06 |
tortoisedoc_ | Stskeeps : how about QAbstractNativeEventFilter, does that still fetch input to a window? | 21:06 |
tortoisedoc_ | phlixi : winscp / scp ; piece 'o' cake | 21:07 |
phlixi | i guess i need devmode for that... | 21:07 |
phlixi | (as well as for the command line mentioned in the first place) | 21:07 |
tortoisedoc_ | phlixi : yes | 21:08 |
tortoisedoc_ | or actually | 21:08 |
tortoisedoc_ | yes :) | 21:08 |
phlixi | ^^ | 21:08 |
clau_ | the email client behavior is really erratic; it fails quite often during updating, especially during the status change of a message | 21:08 |
clau_ | my guess is it does something weird over imap, and for the same reason I keep on getting the empty messages in Trash folder | 21:08 |
phlixi | for me it worked not even once at all for now (but sending mails work...) anyway, i will try with the certificate, thanks for the tuip :) | 21:09 |
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clau_ | anyone else using it with gmail imap? | 21:09 |
phlixi | tip* | 21:09 |
* phlixi is not using gmail | 21:09 | |
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tobiski | 9% left on battery, i'm pleased | 21:24 |
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clau_ | talking about battery, mine still jumps all over the place: I was down to 70%, now I'm at over 80%. I assume it just takes a few full re-charges for this to stabilize (?). | 21:31 |
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Elleo | what's the root password on the jolla images? | 21:49 |
Stskeeps | Elleo: developer mode -> ssh that password, and devel-su with that | 21:50 |
Elleo | ah, I was trying to use normal su, didn't realise sailfish had inherited devel-su as well :) | 21:51 |
Elleo | thanks | 21:51 |
Stskeeps | it's not the aegis variant | 21:51 |
Stskeeps | :P | 21:51 |
Elleo | heh | 21:51 |
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Elleo | MSameer: found a way around the need to manually use libresourcekit \o/ adding a useless MediaPlayer element gets the whole application unmuted :) | 22:36 |
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Elleo | is there anyway I can get alerted when the volume keys are pressed and/or find out what the system volume is? | 22:47 |
Elleo | (the main volume control doesn't effect qaudiooutput objects, so I need to connect that up manually) | 22:48 |
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MSameer | Elleo: :D | 22:52 |
MSameer | Elleo: maybe because you are not using policy engine correctly ;) | 22:53 |
Elleo | heh | 22:53 |
Elleo | I might just add a volume slider in the settings for now and worry about it more in a future release :P | 22:54 |
Elleo | and/or hope that qaudiooutput gets the same magic treatment as qmultimediaplayer from the sailfish side by then | 22:54 |
MSameer | Elleo: i don't know what the proper way to catch volume keys is but this works for me: https://gitorious.org/cameraplus/cameraplus/source/2c8be808053eb5e268588c6a59759454ea4829bf:src/sailfish/devicekeys.cpp | 22:54 |
Elleo | ah excellent, thanks | 22:54 |
MSameer | event filter and catch the needed events | 22:55 |
MSameer | i don't know how to interact with volume though | 22:55 |
Elleo | I can set that on the qaudiooutput element | 22:55 |
MSameer | but also note that you need to acquire the scale button resource | 22:55 |
Elleo | ah, and that presumably involves playing with libresourcekit again? :| | 22:56 |
MSameer | personally, I will bundle all the libs needed by my app. bad but no other way | 22:56 |
Elleo | yeah, I guess I'll have to go down that route | 22:56 |
MSameer | or I will dlopen() what i need but that will work with C libraries only :/ | 22:56 |
MSameer | Elleo: you don't need to rebuild the libs, just extract them from the rpm files | 22:58 |
MSameer | and then use rpath (no idea how to do so from qt creator) | 22:58 |
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MFaro-Tusino | ping coderus | 22:59 |
Elleo | MSameer: already got rpath setup for the libspotify stuff, so that's easy enough | 22:59 |
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MSameer | Elleo: there is also a qtquick module for policy somewhere in nemo github repos | 23:02 |
MSameer | might be easier | 23:02 |
MSameer | to use | 23:03 |
Elleo | okay, I'll have a poke around | 23:03 |
Elleo | thanks | 23:03 |
MSameer | sorry you have to cope with this mess :/ | 23:04 |
MSameer | because you have | 23:04 |
Elleo | ah, well, at least it's a fun platform to have problems on :P | 23:04 |
MSameer | glad you are enjoying :) | 23:05 |
Elleo | I seem to be hitting unanticipated edge cases with everything I'm doing at the moment :P | 23:06 |
MSameer | i really cannot imagine having to provide a full build of gstreamer, resource policy, qtwidgets and all this to submit my app so I am putting it on hold | 23:06 |
Elleo | bumped into some issues with the notification system and the media player with another app I'm working on too | 23:06 |
MSameer | Elleo: anything I can help with? | 23:06 |
MSameer | for media, I prefer to work with gstreamer directly but that's me | 23:07 |
Elleo | yeah, this isn't actually for dealing with media | 23:07 |
Elleo | I want to be able to get details out of the stock media player and control it like with mafw on harmattan | 23:07 |
Elleo | it's so I can display song details and control it from a smart watch | 23:08 |
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MSameer | query the platform media player? | 23:08 |
Elleo | yeah | 23:08 |
Elleo | but as far as I can tell there isn't anything supporting that sort of thing yet | 23:08 |
MSameer | i don't think this is possible | 23:08 |
Elleo | I'll just have to build custom support into cutespotify and tell everyone to use that :P | 23:09 |
MSameer | i wrote the initial version of media player and this was not supported and I think the situation has not changed | 23:09 |
MSameer | media player has support for plugins but there are 2 issues: | 23:10 |
MSameer | 1) the plugin interface is not public | 23:10 |
MSameer | 2) plugins are tied to views so you cannot have non-visual plugins | 23:10 |
MSameer | so it might be possible for you to bundle | 23:11 |
MSameer | so it might be possible for you to integrate with it one day | 23:11 |
Elleo | yeah, I'll keep that on a back burner for now | 23:12 |
Elleo | the notifications issue is a bit more critical for the app, although I've got a hacky workaround for now | 23:12 |
Elleo | the problem there is that the org.freedesktop.Notifications spec assumes you only ever want 1 notification sink | 23:13 |
Elleo | and I want to be able to listen to notifications to send them along to the watch | 23:13 |
Elleo | at the moment I'm having to poll the custom GetNotifications method, but that's pretty nasty | 23:13 |
Elleo | and not very flexible | 23:13 |
MSameer | that sux | 23:13 |
Elleo | yeah, but I figure if I keep whining on irc enough someone will fix it just to shut me up ;) | 23:14 |
MSameer | assuming that someone is here :P | 23:14 |
Elleo | heh, yeah | 23:14 |
Elleo | that's a python app though, so it'll have to wait a while anyway until that side of things is more official | 23:15 |
Elleo | had to build a custom version of python too, as the installed one has broken multiprocessing support :P | 23:16 |
Elleo | I moaned about that one to Stskeeps earlier too | 23:16 |
Elleo | pretty soon I'll manage to annoy everyone on the sailfish team ;) | 23:16 |
MFaro-Tusino | Elleo: This for RockWatch? | 23:16 |
MSameer | Elleo: thp should be your target ;-) | 23:16 |
Elleo | MFaro-Tusino: yeah | 23:17 |
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MFaro-Tusino | :D | 23:17 |
Elleo | MFaro-Tusino: it kind-of-sort-of works at the moment | 23:17 |
Elleo | in that I can get alerts for sms and emails, and ping the watch | 23:17 |
MFaro-Tusino | Thats awesome | 23:17 |
Elleo | but it has some nasty hackyness under the hood | 23:17 |
MFaro-Tusino | RockWatch has been the best third party Pebble app on any platform | 23:17 |
Elleo | MFaro-Tusino: cool, glad you think so :) | 23:18 |
MFaro-Tusino | When i saw that any and all notifications on harmattan were sent to the watch, I was so excited | 23:18 |
MFaro-Tusino | Hackyness under the hood is expected | 23:18 |
MFaro-Tusino | Can it update the fw and install apps/faces ? | 23:18 |
Elleo | MFaro-Tusino: in theory that should all work, I need to finish off the qml for those bits, but since they don't interface with sailfish in any odd ways they should be fine | 23:19 |
MFaro-Tusino | \o/ | 23:19 |
Elleo | MSameer: yeah, I've been keeping a close eye on all his awesome pyotherside stuff :) | 23:19 |
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MSameer | Elleo: what's more exciting is to get nemo running on the watch :D | 23:21 |
Elleo | thp: I don't know if it's still the case in python3 but in 2.7 you need to disable the posix semaphore tests when building for arm on obs, as /dev/shm isn't mounted so semaphores get disabled incorrectly and breaks the multiprocessing module | 23:22 |
Elleo | MSameer: hah, that'd be quite a challenge on the pebble | 23:22 |
MSameer | why? | 23:22 |
Elleo | some of the fancier android based ones might be doable, but the pebble is barely more than a simple microcontroller with a couple of megs of ram | 23:22 |
MSameer | it runs linux already | 23:23 |
Elleo | I was under the impression it was using FreeRTOS | 23:24 |
Elleo | linux would seem pretty heavy for something like that | 23:25 |
MSameer | i don't really know | 23:26 |
Elleo | it's just a cortex m3 inside it iirc | 23:26 |
Elleo | or one of the cortex family at any rate | 23:26 |
Elleo | you might be thinking of the galaxy gear | 23:27 |
Elleo | which is a much higher spec thing | 23:27 |
MSameer | i really don't know | 23:28 |
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MSameer | i stopped using watches long ago | 23:28 |
Elleo | yeah, I only started using watches again because I could write cool software for them :P | 23:29 |
nander | What sailfish image should I download for the n9? | 23:30 |
Elleo | MFaro-Tusino: one final bit of good news, httppebble stuff is working on sailfish too :) | 23:32 |
Elleo | and rather faster than on harmattan | 23:32 |
MFaro-Tusino | :D | 23:32 |
MSameer | nander: vgrade's image i guess (but i really don't know) | 23:33 |
MFaro-Tusino | yes - vgrade 43 | 23:33 |
MFaro-Tusino | http://n9.araya.su/images/mic_images/sailfish-1.0.1.10/ | 23:33 |
MFaro-Tusino | *r3 | 23:33 |
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nander | How fast is fedex? ;) | 23:37 |
nander | I became in picking yesterday | 23:37 |
nander | Wrong channel | 23:37 |
MFaro-Tusino | 5 business days from Finland to Australia | 23:37 |
nander | lol | 23:37 |
nander | That's fast | 23:37 |
nander | So Finland -> Netherlands should be trivial? | 23:37 |
MFaro-Tusino | 2 days if that | 23:37 |
nander | when I start sailfish the screen stays black and the notification led stays off | 23:38 |
Elleo | nander: yeah, for me it left finland on monday and was delivered in the uk on tuesday | 23:38 |
nander | single notification led flash | 23:38 |
nander | So there is a reasonable chance that I'll get mine on friday? | 23:39 |
Elleo | nander: https://www.fedex.com/fedextrack/?action=altref&cntry_code=gb <-- stick your jolla order id in here and you might get more info | 23:40 |
nander | not found | 23:41 |
Elleo | the fedex tracking emails were going out after phones arrived for a number of people (including me), but you can track it from the order id once its in their system | 23:41 |
nander | I tried both the 200002786 and the 4749 | 23:41 |
Elleo | yeah, it'll be the 20000xxxx one | 23:41 |
MSameer | nander: no sailfish boot logo on n9 | 23:41 |
nander | But if I touch the power button it turns off? | 23:42 |
MSameer | nander: maybe then something went wrong | 23:42 |
nander | It seems they are shipping in order of order_id | 23:42 |
MSameer | shipping talk | 23:43 |
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Elleo | heh | 23:43 |
Elleo | nander: yeah, pretty much | 23:43 |
Elleo | nander: there's a >100 page thread on TMO about shipping if you're really interested ;) | 23:43 |
Elleo | somehow I managed to read all of that and all the 200 pages of the user experience thread while waiting for mine :P | 23:44 |
valdur55 | how to change /proc/$SESSION_PID/environ which is system env ? | 23:44 |
MSameer | nander: what I did for n9 is I flashed moslo like we used to do long ago for nemo | 23:44 |
MSameer | but that means you can not dual boot | 23:44 |
MSameer | Elleo: I follow the user experience. read all of it :P | 23:45 |
nander | I'm not gonna break my meego | 23:45 |
MSameer | and i started to hate it | 23:45 |
MSameer | too long | 23:45 |
Elleo | MSameer: hah, understandable | 23:45 |
Elleo | I've stopped reading them now I have a phone to actually play with | 23:45 |
nander | I need to use it for a few more days ;) | 23:45 |
Elleo | and personally I'm loving the user experience ;) | 23:46 |
nander | I had a jolla in my hands for 5 mins or so | 23:46 |
Elleo | and mostly enjoying the developer experience too, despite my occasional problems :) | 23:46 |
nander | I'm convinced ;) | 23:46 |
MSameer | Elleo: glad you do | 23:46 |
nander | I just want python and sdl (and pygame) ;) | 23:46 |
nander | SDl is needed for lots of awesome ports | 23:47 |
nander | Like gemrb | 23:47 |
Elleo | SDL might be a bit tough | 23:47 |
MSameer | not really | 23:47 |
MSameer | should not be that tough | 23:47 |
Elleo | well SDL doesn't have a wayland backend, unlike SDL2 | 23:47 |
nander | Ok, SDL2 then | 23:48 |
Elleo | but SDL2 doesn't help much for most existing apps unfortunately | 23:48 |
nander | Let me guess, it isn't backwards compatible? | 23:48 |
Elleo | since most things haven't switched to it yet | 23:48 |
MSameer | what's wrong with using sdl2 ? :) | 23:48 |
MSameer | ic | 23:48 |
Elleo | yeah | 23:48 |
nander | gemrb does things with sdl2 | 23:49 |
Elleo | I tried getting the half-finished mir backend for SDL working on ubuntu touch a while back, too much for me unfortunately :/ | 23:49 |
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Elleo | there's an ancient QTE backend too, that I considered trying to update to render into a QPainter or something | 23:49 |
nander | You want a gemrb version as well? ;) | 23:50 |
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Elleo | nander: I want lots of things :P | 23:51 |
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Elleo | I briefly had an Ogre3D port working on sailfish before the switch to wayland | 23:52 |
Elleo | I guess a wayland backend for ogre shouldn't be too hard to hack together, since it's mostly just a matter of setting up opengles contexts for it | 23:52 |
MSameer | Elleo: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wayland#SDL | 23:52 |
Elleo | MSameer: oh, awesome | 23:52 |
Elleo | thanks | 23:52 |
MSameer | the switch to wayland was a must | 23:53 |
Elleo | I'm guessing it makes doing things ontop of libhybris possible? | 23:53 |
Elleo | presumably amongst other benefits | 23:53 |
MSameer | it was a must believe me | 23:55 |
MSameer | i can not give more details unfortunately | 23:55 |
Elleo | no worries, I'll take you word for it :) | 23:55 |
Hurrian | wasn't it because of the ST-Ericsson plans not pushing through? | 23:56 |
Hurrian | iirc wayland specifically calling for EGL made it a very good choice to run atop Android drivers via libhybris | 23:57 |
nander | time to go to bed | 23:59 |
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