Thursday, 2013-12-19

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M4rtinKwell, I think just watching that 45 minute Linuxconf-AU Walyand video is enough :)00:01
M4rtinKeq. X-being quite the trainwreck :)00:02
M4rtinK*Wayland video00:02
HurrianM4rtinK: tearing disappearing from Nemo after the Wayland switch says it all ;)00:02
M4rtinKyeah, aside of those task switcher artifacts it is indeed running quite well in Nemo :)00:04
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jabbounethello all00:37
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jabbounetI've a question on mediagallery sample provided with sailfish sdk, I'm wondering from where is taken the path url for images? I've added some logs and found that image are located in «/home/nemo/Pictures/Jolla/...» but I didn't find where is taken this path (no reference to this path in files present in project), is it some defaut attribute of an object in the project or I missed something?00:47
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Elleojabbounet: just took a quick glance at it, looks like it uses a DocumentGalleryModel, which as I understand it asks tracker for all the files of the requested type (tracker maintains an index of certain files, like photos, music, videos, etc.)00:57
Elleoso you don't have to explicitly tell it to look in a certain location for photos, it'll find all the photos in your Pictures directory and on your sdcard00:57
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jabbounetok I found the documentation about this DocumentGalleryModel, I'm going to look how it works, thanks a lot01:02
Elleono problem :)01:03
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jabbounetbye all01:46
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mattaustinAnyone going to Linux Conf Australia 2014?03:33
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atlazWhats this, an update for my phone?05:27
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atlazbah, just some store-fix05:33
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tuukkahhmm, my phone had switched itself off during the night. how do i check what happened before?07:00
tuukkahjournalctl has option --this-boot, but even without that option it's still showing me just this boot07:01
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zuhtuukkah: the journal is dumped between boots, but I *think* you should be able to make it store it permanently just by creating /var/log/journal/07:26
zuh...and eventually run out of storage space so caution with that... :)07:26
tuukkah16GB should be enough for quite some logs :-)07:27
zuhYou'd think07:27
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zuhand then something verbose goes in a crash loop and it's a matter of hours :P07:28
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tuukkahthere's /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log, but it doesn't contain timestamps :-(07:28
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tuukkahok, i created /var/log/journal for next time. thanks zuh!07:30
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FryeOk, any of the harbour guys here. I'm wondering if I have missed something since the app is not in the store yet. Or 20h still within normal gap between approval and store visibility?08:31
zuhFrye: Yes, there's still manual steps between approval and store so it could take some time08:32
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FryeOk, might be a good idea to put it in the FAQ.08:33
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AcceHey, how should I refer to the header inside silicaListView? I have a search field there, but using alias like in the documentation yields "unable to find id headerItem"08:41
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fluxmeh, Bluetooth Low Energy is not yet ready, but they do target Qt5.3:
fluxI guess Jolla doesn't provide any special replacement interfaces, just use bluez directly?08:47
Stskeepswell, even bluez lags in that regard08:48
fluxat least gatttool that comes with bluez has worked fine for my tests08:48
fluxalso hcitool lescan works (but only as root)08:48
Stskeepsok, that's good to know08:48
fluxbut I'm sure I would quite prefer the Qt interface if it existed 8-)08:49
flux(actually a WIP change is available already, linked from that bug)08:49
fluxbut if my goal is to get something ready to talk with TI SensorTag during the christmas holidays, the best option is probably going with bluez..08:50
tuukkahzuh, i rebooted the phone to test and /var/log/journal is still empty, so i suppose some systemd configuration is still needed08:51
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zuhtuukkah: hmh, ok. I guess the default Storage setting is set to something other than auto then ( )08:52
tuukkah/etc/systemd/journald.conf Storage=volatile08:52
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Skorpyis there a way tom emulate pinch gesture in the emulator?09:01
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tuukkahzuh, thanks again, works now09:06
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rcgMorpog_Mobile, thx again for the icon templates :)09:13
jake9xxSkorpy: in the works, coming in future09:14
rcgMorpog_Mobile, maybe just one remark, as is right now the icons are made to fill the entire space of 86x86. it seems that for the "ghost shape" there is a slight rendering/export issue that causes a little "distortion" at the outer point of the round part09:14
rcgi scaled it just a little down and this fixes that09:15
Skorpyjake9xx: ok, thanks09:15
Skorpythen how do I install the application to my phone? :P09:16
SkorpyI've got the rpm, but it wont install09:16
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AcceSkorpy: pkcon install-local package.rpm09:18
Acceif I remember correctly09:18
Skorpyah, right, of course09:18
jake9xxAcce: yes, that's the way09:20
Skorpyhmmm... installation doesn't show any errors, but I don't see the app in the menu.09:22
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jake9xxSkorpy: which app?09:22
Skorpymy own little test09:23
jake9xxuse root with devel-su and do journalctl -fa in another window when you run that installation command09:24
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SkorpyDec 19 11:25:19 localhost packagekitd[759]: Before commit: 0 downloads, 0 installs, 0 removals09:25
Skorpythat's all09:25
SkorpyI bet my yaml file is all wrong. not sure though09:26
tuukkahSkorpy, check if your .desktop file was installed09:29
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tuukkahSkorpy, /usr/share/applications09:30
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Skorpyyea, not there09:31
Pnuuif I have a qml gui (eg. just one file), can I somehow test it in the phone?09:31
Pnuusomething like ./testgui ?09:31
Skorpytuukkah: hmm... no executable to be found either... :D09:32
tuukkahSkorpy, there's some command you can use to inspect the contents of an rpm file even without installing it09:32
tuukkahPnuu, harbour faq mentions sailfish-qml for that, but it's not present on the phone and i haven't found more information09:33
Pnuutuukkah: ok, thanks09:33
Pnuumy laptop is so slow, that no chance to run the sdk :-P09:34
Pnuuand ubuntu 12.04 has only qt409:34
tuukkahPnuu, there are apps with a trivial binary that just loads the qml. you could replace the qml file of one of those09:35
Skorpytuukkah: it contains all the files09:35
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tuukkahPnuu, e.g. helloworld pro in the store09:38
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tuukkahSkorpy, no idea why they wouldn't be installed when the rpm installs09:39
FryeSkorpy are you sure you are using rpm built for arm?09:40
Pnuutuukkah: ok, will check that09:40
SkorpyFrye: no, I had the i486.09:40
Pnuulost my sleep last night because I started to plan the gui :-P09:40
Skorpyso I guess that's the problem? :P09:40
FryeI would guess so too :-)09:41
FryeJust select the arm deploy as building rpm target09:41
tuukkahwouldn't it be nice to get an error message in that case %-)09:41
FryeAnd run build->deploy from the menu09:41
Fryetuukkah, more than nice I'd say09:41
tuukkahPnuu, after you install it, you should be able to edit /usr/share/harbour-helloworld-pro-sailfish/qml/main.qml09:42
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Skorpytuukkah, Frye: installed now, thanks :)09:44
Skorpyaltough it crashes on start... :D09:45
Skorpystarts from command line though09:45
Pnuutuukkah: yay! learning begins09:49
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leszekis it possible to arrange a textfield within a header of a silicalistview without moving the whole listview ?10:04
leszekscenario: listview with pullmenu for a todo list with a todolisttitle which should be editable10:05
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prometoyshi, I just got my jolla device. Can I reset it to factory defaults afterwards (so I get the welcome screens/setup again)?10:17
Stskeepsyes, there's a reset functionality in settings10:17
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prometoysStskeeps, thanks. no I can just start with like a kid with a xmas gift and later do the serious review ;)10:19
prometoysStskeeps, first impression: looks good, nice job10:19
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Skorpydoes Page have a signal which triggers when you pop it from the pageStack?10:34
Skorpyor does something have a signal like that?10:34
SkorpyI have a page which runs a xmlhttprequest and would like to abort it if I leave the page10:35
lbtSkorpy: check out 'Active' property (iirc)10:36
lbtnope... I didn't ... check out the 'status' property :)10:37
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leszekSkorpy: I always used the onStatusChanged signal and there in particulary for if (status === PageStatus.Deactivating)10:38
lbtand .. if you were not aware; all properties have an implicit on${Property}Change event10:38
Skorpythanks, both of you :)10:39
leszekSkorpy: here is an example line 14:
Skorpylbt: yes, aware of that :P10:39
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lbtthe context docs are pretty good too - F1 in the SDK10:39
lbtand apologies if you're an expert :)10:40
Skorpywell certainly not an expert :D but little experience with QML already.10:40
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leszeklbt: hmm... honestly I think the context docs in the sdk miss a lot10:42
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jake9xxleszek: the docs update as we go, coverage for all components is not there yet10:43
jake9xxleszek: plus if there are some un-supported qml api's in the code (like nemo-qml-plugins at the moment are not officially supported) you get nothing10:44
FryeThis link on the docs seem to always be empty: List of all members, including inherited members10:44
FryeFor someone like me that would be really useful.10:45
FryeIt's empty both in sdk and on the web reference.10:45
FryeBut I guess the source for both is the same.10:45
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leszekhmm... some advice for translating qml apps. Should I use qsTr() or i18n() ?10:50
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Acceis there some kind of notifications in Silica? like the ones that appear on the top of the screen10:54
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Pnuuyay, first mockup12:00
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qroshcan someone help me with the following issue:12:11
qroshfirst of all am I here correct for sailfish app development?12:12
Nicd-Pnuu: active cover?12:13
jake9xxPnuu: looks nice12:13
FryeWhoa, perfect.12:13
PnuuNicd-: just a mockup so far :-)12:13
Nicd-Pnuu: looks nice so far, I'll surely install it :)12:13
FryePnuu, Where can I get this :D12:13
Wntis it possible to debug what contactsd does on the device? It's often consuming 50% - 90% cpu on my phone12:13
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JvD_quite cold12:13
Pnuuthere's no functionality behind..12:13
PnuuI'd need python stuff first12:14
jake9xxWnt: under work already, dunno if next update has fixes for it or not12:14
Pnuuand that'll need also personal apikey for the FMI open data12:14
Wntjake9xx: are there any workarounds?12:14
jake9xxWnt: shell -> kill contactsd (or restart it nicely with systemctl)12:15
Wnte.g. would using offline mode for all accounts help?12:15
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jake9xxWnt: might be, but that's a question more for #jollamobile12:15
pp_python3.3 + pyotherside seems to work quite nicely12:16
Pnuupp_: but would need external repositories :-/12:16
pp_currently, but I thought harbour will soon support the combo?12:16
Pnuuhope so :-)12:17
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WntPnuu: what are you planning on using as the data source?12:22
PnuuWnt: FMI open data with user's personal apikey12:23
Pnuuhmm, or maybe this is more informational:
WntPnuu: so each user must request their own api key before using the app?12:24
Pnuuyes, as I don't have means to cache data on my own server12:24
WntI was actually looking at the data they provide few days ago myself12:25
Pnuuand, well, I'm just doing something to practice qml :-)12:25
Wntand also contacted FMI if they could allow more requests per api key for a mobile app like this12:25
Wntbut no response from them yet12:25
PnuuI work at FMI my self, but on snow research and satellite data..12:26
Wntalso asked them if it's allowed to use the JSON interface their HTML5 app uses
Wntthat data would be in a format that is much easier to develop against12:27
Pnuuyeah, for sure12:27
Pnuuthat stuff coming from WMS is ugly as hell12:27
Wntindeed, but FMI provides a javascript library that helps using the data12:28
Pnuufor me the javascript is not a help at all :-D12:29
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coderusanybody tried QContactFetchRequest on Sailfish?12:33
coderusits always returning zero contacts for me :(12:33
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jardousHello guys. In Time and Date settings. If I select Automatic update it wrongly resets my timezone to Helsinki. If I have the time set manually, the clock slows down by cca 3 minutes a day.12:49
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Elleojardous: that's easy to fix; just move to Helsinki ;)12:51
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jake9xxcoderus: you might be better off to instantiate a QContactManager and get contacts() from that12:53
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jardousElleo: thanks ;) which bugzilla should I report it to?12:56
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Elleojardous: as far as I'm aware there isn't a public bugzilla for sailfish yet12:57
Elleomostly I just mumble about stuff on irc until someone takes pity on me :P12:57
Stskeeps"Jolla believes in co-creation and wants to empower its users to participate12:58
Stskeepsin developing Jolla continuously further and better. To facilitate co-12:58
Stskeepscreation and collect feedback, Jolla will be opening a portal at12:58 where customers can discuss and vote on which features12:58
Stskeepsthey would like to see in Jolla, report issues and submit ideas."12:58
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coderusjake9xx: i like asynchronous things :)12:58
ElleoStskeeps: ah, great12:58
PnuuStskeeps: yay!12:58
Stskeepsthis is from press release today12:58
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jardousok - we have to wait then :)13:00
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jardousbtw - I though about reporting it to the Nemo's bugzilla but all the entries there looks a bit outdated13:02
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FryeHmm, the screenshots I put when submitting for approval are in reverse orde on the store :-(13:15
FryeWell that can be easily fixed ( I hope ) with the next update.13:16
Nicd-your game is in the store?13:17
Nicd-downloading now :)13:18
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FryeThere are some silly typos in the description too =( Eventhough I made ppl read it before I submitted it :D13:19
FryeBut those can be hopefully fixed easily too :D13:19
Nicd-frye, you have a stone types slider with only two options13:20
Nicd-and it displays as float13:20
Frye-> off to fill in issue tracker13:22
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cos-i'm about to ask this on mailing list soon, but i'll ask here first: any idea why virtual keyboard is displayed when my app is started?13:44
Stskeepsgot any text fields?13:44
cos-TextEdit's, but they are all set to focus: false13:45
cos-they are all in this element
cos-i think normally user should tap on a text edit to display vkb13:46
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cos-vkb is not displayed if i create a TextEdit in the sailfish hello world-app for some reason.13:47
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cos-my app does not use silica components, but it shouldn't matter13:48
jake9xxcos-: you might wanna put Component.onCompleted() { console.log("Textedit created"); } there13:48
Triztjust a question, may be stupid, but anyway: how do you display a banner without the usage of mlite5?13:48
jake9xxif you see it in trace, your object gets constructed automatically13:48
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cos-jake9xx: should the way they are constructed matter? some are created automatically and some dynamically in list delegates.13:50
cos-none of them are tapped by user and all have focus: false13:50
jake9xxmaybe if you create a TextEdit component automatically it might trigger loading it on ui13:51
coderusTrizt: maybe just create some Rectangle and Label inside it and so on.13:52
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nanderDoes anyone know how to enable the jolla store on the n9?13:53
nanderIt keeps saying installation failed13:53
Triztdon't feel completely a nice solution, so no real API for banners :(13:53
jake9xxnander: jolla store does not accept anything but jolla devices, sorry13:54
jussinander: there are ways ;) I have it on n95013:55
coderusnander: just read thread on TMO :)13:55
coderusjake9xx: hehe :)13:55
jussiyeah, officially, no store. unnofficially, look on TMO13:55
cos-jake9xx: yep, it displays "onCompleted:15 - Textedit created" a bunch of times at the startup.13:56
coderusbtw, what is the best way to draw that nice glow pulldown indicator&13:57
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jake9xxVDVsx__: ^ see coderus question13:57
coderusah, nvm, found that MenuIndicator component :)13:59
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* jake9xx is looking fwd to mitäkuuluu :)14:00
VDVsx__oki :)14:00
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cos-jake9xx: i added it to print value of focus. one of them has focus se to true for some reason. now debugging more..14:01
coderusjake9xx: engine working fine, just need to reimplement all features with Silica :)14:03
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coderusexperimenting again with new UX :D14:03
coderusnew ideas :D14:03
* coderus ported all Silica components to harmattan to use with Persecute.14:04
coderusbecause i cant found suitable replacement for them. its just great :D14:04
coderus*except pulldown/pushup, its not suitable for harmattan14:05
cos-coderus: nice.. will you package them so that they could be used in other projects also?14:07
jake9xxcoderus: so you copy the libs over too?14:08
coderusjake9xx: no, just QML :D14:09
coderusjake9xx: fixed to work with Quick1.1, removed *Glass* and *Theme* and etc. features.14:10
coderuscos-: em. no :D14:10
coderuscos-: its quite easy to do yourself14:11
cos-coderus: ok. but my time is limited and that's why i currently use only standard qml elements in my apps..14:11
coderuscos-: well. you should choose then14:12
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cos-i "solved" the focus issue with if(focus) { console.log("WTF, why is my focus TRUE??"); focus = false; }14:14
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jake9xxcos-: good, but there is a reason for it.. should be investigated sometime...14:18
cos-one more issue i can demonstrate in an example app: TextEdit's inputMethodHints: Qt.ImhHiddenText | Qt.ImhNoAutoUppercase does not work14:19
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cos-the text is echoed in plain text14:19
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cos-anyone from harbour q&a? should i re-submit a rejected app if it contains fixes but probably won't fix all issues yet?15:04
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kontiocos-: if not all issues which let to the rejection are fixed, then it does not make much sense, which app?15:15
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jabbounethello all15:16
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jabbounetI'm currently writing a small file explorer to learn how qml works, When I run the application on emulator I'm able to display file list in a SiliciaListView and I'm able to scroll the list,  when I'm in the middle of the list I'm not able to activate PullDownMenu (I shoul go back to top to activate it), is there a way to be able to activate pulldown/pushup menu when screen is located in the middle of a long list?15:23
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kontiojabbounet: that is the intended way how the pully menu works, either at the top or at the end of the listview15:32
kontiootherwise it's hard to know, do you still want to scroll the list or the pully menu...15:33
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jabbounetyes I agree it is hard to know, but have the possibility to activate a pull or push menu in the middle of a list could be interesting, I've tried also by swipping from the top of the screen but in this case I go back to the cover, so there is for way to go back to cover (top,down, left, right) but no possibility to have this menu15:38
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kontiojabbounet: no, but items can open a context menu when long pressed...
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jabbounetok, but my pull menu have some generic operations like display properties, sorting files, or operation to do when several files are selected, I would have dedicated context menu for some specific operation like open the file, rename it ...15:51
veskuhjabbounet, there is contextmenu available for listitems:
kontioveskuh: see the line above :-)16:01
veskuhkontio, right :) You are too fast16:02
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jabbounetso this mean pull/push down menu is useless when managing long list, as context menu will contains same operations and contextual operations too...16:06
kontioyeah it's not the solution for everything :-)16:07
leinirtap-and-hold for interacting with each item, pulley menu for page-wide stuff :)16:08
leinir(tap-and-hold being the context menu, sorry)16:09
raa70does the list need to be fullscreen, can't you have steady header in which you could activate pulley?16:09
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jabbounetyeah but it's annoying to go to top to apply page-wide stuff and get down  to same point of the list to see the effect on a specific item....16:10
EccenuxHi. Anybody know what is the default root password on Jolla?16:11
tuukkahiphone's always-visible-tap-to-scroll-to-top status bar is useful and could be used to activate pulley as well16:12
PnuuEccenux: the one you set in develeoper mode -menu16:13
cos-kontio: siilihai. it would make sense if you keep some kind of log of things that work and can be skipped next time.16:13
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jabbounetand activate pull/push menu when swipping from top/bottom of the screen could be interesting instead of go back to cover (still possible when swipping from left or right)16:14
Pnuuwohoo, I managed to refactor my mockup so that there's now one self-defined element16:15
tuukkahjabbounet, swipe from top is close app and swipe from bottom is go to notifications screen16:15
kontioEccenux: if you enable developer mode, the password set there can be used with devel-su got gain root...16:16
kontiono default pw for root16:16
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Eccenux@kontio Thanks! It works.16:17
kontioyeah sorry for the jailbreak guys, there is nothing to jailbreak on Jolla ;-p16:18
jabbounet <tuukkah> yes you're right, I'm still begginner with jolla and only have the emulator for the moment16:20
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tuukkahjabbounet, i wonder if the current function design couldn't be improved16:22
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tuukkahfor example, why doesn't the pulley menu active with swipe-from-top?16:24
tuukkahclose could be one of the menu entries16:24
Nicd-from how top?16:25
jabbounetcould depend if developper define a pulley menu, can close the app as actually if there is no pulley menu and automatically add a close in pulley if a menu is defined16:26
jabbounetfor instance16:26
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tuukkahNicd-, the way close is activated now16:27
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Nicd-tuukkah: how would you close an app then?16:28
tuukkahNicd-, choose the menu item "close"16:30
Nicd-oh please no16:31
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whipplerare there any other cover action icons other than the 2, in the IDE16:38
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Wntwhippler: you can create your own icons or use some of the platforms built in icons16:42
Wntfor example I use a dialpad icon in my application:
Wntbut now I cannot remember the directory where all the icons are...16:43
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Wntwhippler: /usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/icons/ is the directory where the platform's icons are16:46
whipplerim not too good with linux yet, where is the usr/share :P16:48
marcelluxwhippler: it's under /root16:49
Pnuuno, no it's not :-)16:51
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Pnuuthe /root is "root" user's (admin) home directory16:51
Pnuuand the root of the directory tree is /16:52
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Pnuuand under that, there's usr, lib, home, root, ...16:52
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whipplercant find em :/16:58
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tuukkahwhippler, where/how are you looking? what do you see if you go all the way up and out of the directory hierarchy?17:01
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whipplerboth terminal and the filebrowser, thats in /home17:02
whipplerin terminal from /17:02
tuukkahon the phone?17:02
tuukkahyou should be doing this on the phone (or in the emulator)17:03
whipplerwell thats interesting :D17:03
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whipplerwell this exist in there "image://theme/icon-cover-previous" but doesnt work, should i get the icons into the project or..17:11
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whipplerhmm so i have cover action set in the main page's cover, but the action also shows up in the other pages cover17:15
ariseldid anyone succesfully build a powertop yet?17:15
whipplerso cover actions are independent from covers?17:16
whippleri get it now i think... time to look again from the component gallery app :P17:17
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tbr>.< too busy with stuff...17:18
tbranother sailfish meet-up in 45min17:18
tbrno time to actually work on some 'easy' packaging/porting things17:19
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whipplerso how do i  bring the app full screen from activating a cover action?17:25
whipplerpropably mainwindow.activate()... yah17:27
marcelluxwhippler: my bad! it should be like tuukkah said  /usr/share/themes/....  I was thinking about other OS...17:30
leinirhmmmm... moment17:31
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leinirthe ApplicationWindow Silica element has an activate() function, use that :)17:32
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raa70do i get a beep and vibration everytime battery drops 1% below 10%17:50
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raa70cause that's pretty damn annoying, i know the battery is running out, no need to use it more to remind me of it every few minutes17:52
raa70i could live with a flashing yellow led, and maybe a notification at 5% and 2%17:53
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FireFlyFlashing yellow LED could get annoying in the dark though18:09
FireFlyHm, though I guess it's fine since it's kind-of a critical situation18:09
Skorpythe white bright flashing when the battery is recharged is pretty damn annoying. It lights the whole room :/18:11
Skorpywould love to modify the patterns and colors18:11
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leiniri'd kind of like to have the charging and charged state of that led swapped... that'd sort of be enough for me18:12
leinirit'd still be bright, but it wouldn't be craving attention by flashing ;)18:12
Skorpyhmm... is there a way to disable the lock screen from command line?18:15
Skorpydevice lock I mean18:15
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Skorpyhmm... seems like it could be. testing time! :P18:18
Skorpyindeed it is possible. veeeery nice18:19
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Skorpyumm... can I make statefs trigger/run commands somehow? like when a certain wlan is connected? :P18:52
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Skorpyor something else than statefs?18:57
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Pnuuwhat am I doing wrong? I have ValueRow.qml:
Pnuuand try to use it with: ValueRow { labelTitle: "title:"; valueText: "2.0" }19:05
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Pnuuwell, didn't matter at all..19:07
SkorpyLabel {id:title; text: valueRow.valueTitle;} Label {id:value; text: valueRow.valueText;}19:09
Skorpyand remove the title.text and value.text from the property lines19:10
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PnuuSkorpy: um, what should I have on those property lines?19:13
PnuuI'm trying to follow this tutorial, but, well, I'm lost :-D
Pnuuor is this something that has changed between 4.x and 5.x?19:14
Skorpyproperty string valueTitle19:14
Skorpythat's all19:14
Skorpythat should work19:15
coderuswhere to add paths to global PATH env/19:16
PnuuSkorpy: thanks, but no, still something.. :-D19:16
Skorpyoh wait.19:17
Skorpyhmm... don't even know how those work.. :D19:17
Skorpychanging them to string should work19:17
PnuuSkorpy: tried that too, no luck19:17
Skorpyso, does it give an error or...?19:19
Skorpyjust doesn't show anything?19:19
Pnuubrings up a white screen on the phone19:20
Pnuumy laptop hasn't got the grunt to run sdk, so I'm abusing hello world pro :-)19:20
Pnuuthis happened also when I had typos in the qml, I think I should re-re-re-check that19:21
Pnuubut the error is in the ValueRow.qml, because commenting those calls out makes things work19:22
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Pnuumaybe I should try some debug loggin..19:32
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Pnuuwhy, oh why!, `more`19:36
Pnuuless is more19:37
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Pnuuerror was, as usual, between the backrest and the keyboard :-P19:44
PnuuI didn't copy the fixed ValueRow.qml to the phone19:44
Siddei'm a bit new to developing in qt. But i'm i right too understand that sailfish has the complete qt framework? So if i want to access the gyro. What do i do? Import the C++ class? Import qml-thingy?19:45
PnuuSkorpy: thanks and sorry :-D19:45
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walokrais sailfishos default apps code somewhere available?20:32
walokralooking for example like the gallery20:32
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jake9xxwalokra: not all20:33
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jake9xxwalokra: sdk related stuff is in examples/ and tutorials/ dirs under SailfishOS if you have SDK installed20:33
jake9xxjolla-* packages are not OSS by default20:33
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tortoisedoc_given the fact that qtCreator cannot connect to app on jolla phone directly yet20:38
tortoisedoc_even if I start on phone gdbserver, then connect remotely via qtcreator, it still fails..20:38
tortoisedoc_or better, nothing happens20:38
tortoisedoc_any sailor can help?20:38
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jake9xxgdbserver broke in 1312 :/20:39
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tortoisedoc_aaaaaah :/20:39
tortoisedoc_thanks jake9x20:39
jake9xxwe're working on it20:39
jabbounetbye all20:39
jake9xxbut it will be 1H2014 when it can be put out20:39
tortoisedoc_jake9xx : so no fix upstream het?20:39
jake9xxbasically it's cross gdb for arm20:39
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jake9xxtortoisedoc_: nope, nothing functional20:40
tortoisedoc_jake9xx : crap20:40
tortoisedoc_jake9xx : any idea what might be causing it?20:40
jake9xxlack of cross-gdb20:40
jake9xxso.. if you _want_ to hack it20:40
jake9xx1. get cross gdb on host20:40
jake9xx2. start the app on command line with gdbserver20:41
jake9xx3. patch here and there so that connections can be made20:41
jake9xx4. write it up in wiki so other developers can use it20:41
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tortoisedoc_jake9xx : so actually it would be :P20:42
jake9xxon SDK we have to support gdb on all platforms so getting it right just for linux might be doable with hacks. To get all dev.platforms in shape - not trivial20:42
tortoisedoc_jake9xx : absolutely ok. And I am on wind0wze :P20:43
jake9xxtortoisedoc_: something like that :) 1234 was to highlight the flow and I assume you'll face problems after 2 :/20:43
tortoisedoc_hmm but20:43
jake9xxtortoisedoc_: guess what ; so am I - at the moment anyway :) There is no real linux setup for Asus UX32VD yet20:43
tortoisedoc_one sec20:43
tortoisedoc_mer machine is build machine20:44
jake9xxyes, and it's a virtual linux20:44
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tortoisedoc_how does that fit in the qtcreator -> host debugging chain?20:45
jake9xxnot at all20:45
jake9xxgdb is ran from host directly20:45
jake9xxotherwise QtC cannot use it w/o _lots_ of tweaks20:45
tortoisedoc_so qtcreator is gdb clietn20:45
jake9xxdevice then runs gdbserver20:46
jake9xxbasically it should work - if you have cross gdb20:46
tortoisedoc_cross gdb + tweaks20:46
tortoisedoc_or is gdbserver on device just basic gdbserver?20:46
tortoisedoc_(for arm)20:47
jake9xxon device it's std magic20:47
jake9xxok, time to go to zz, g'nite sailors & sailorettes20:48
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tortoisedoc_thanks Jake9xx20:49
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deztructorSkorpy: you can just write a simple application/script using poll()/select() on corresponding statefs file (Internet/NetworkName(NetworkState) and executing some action on changes in 'em20:54
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Skorpydeztructor: doable in bash?21:00
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deztructorSkorpy: maybe, e.g. you can play with preinstalled contextkit-monitor utility (you need to supply path to the namespace to this util)21:02
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deztructorthis utility output path and content of the file when it is changed21:03
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deztructorso you can use this data from bash, i hope :)21:03
Skorpydeztructor: thanks. will look into it.21:03
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edgarshow can i register in appstore21:14
Elleoedgars: as a developer?
edgarsas user21:16
edgarsgot mine today ;)21:16
Elleoiirc you just need at create a jolla account on your phone21:16
Elleoit should be offered as an option during the welcome setup21:16
Elleootherwise you can probably do it through the Settings -> Accounts screen21:17
edgarsi got Oppsss, some shit happened, please try again later21:20
edgarstried 10 or more times21:21
Elleoah, I think someone else mentioned having that and fixed it by doing a firmware reset21:21
Elleonot sure if that's the problem that was fixed in the .12 release21:21
Elleothat related to store authentication iirc21:21
krandomany reason why sshd is not listening on IPv4 ? :\21:22
krandomit worked fine, until now.21:23
sdjaynaedgars: you probably already have an account at ? if you're using an email address that's already registered creating a new account will fail21:25
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sunkanI have an old app for N900 Maemo that uses Qwidget, I got it to compile and run but are there any hints on how to make the GUI more SailfishOS friendly? I have no experience with QML, do I need to use that?21:40
ElleoI think QML is pretty much the only option if you want to use the official silica UI21:44
ElleoI could be mistaken though21:45
ElleoQML's pretty easy to get to grips with though :)21:45
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sunkanElleo: I'm just browsing through a long PDF that says that widgets should not be used.. I guess I will take the plunge and have a look at the QML stuff then. Just wanted to drop a question before going there.21:46
AcceIs there a way to send those notification messages to the top of the screen from QML?21:48
Acceor are they reserved for system use?21:48
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ln-i've been getting "Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Server rejected key." ever since updating the SDK a few days ago. known problem?21:52
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artemmaHow do you get StandardPaths in C++?23:37
artemmaI am making a short prototype that involves saving images from network to pictures, so I need to get the pictures folder location23:38
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artemmanever mind, I figured it is /home/nemo/pictures Can hard code for a prototype23:48
VDVsxartemma, QStandardPaths ?23:49
artemmaVDVsx: just fetched from there too :)23:49
artemmawas not sure it will work as for some reason Silica provides own StandardPaths in QML23:49
VDVsxartemma, it calls: QStandardPaths::standardLocations(QStandardPaths::PicturesLocation); so the same23:51
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VDVsxdifference is that Silica gets the first one returned in the list in case they are many defined(does not happen in sailfish by default)23:52
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