Thursday, 2014-01-09

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miksuh_Hmm. have I understood this correctly?05:24
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miksuh_I want to put qml files to qrc file, including the main qml file. Is it possible to do that using SailfishApp::pathTo() ?05:27
miksuh_I mean set the source path of main qml file05:28
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miksuh_and what aboyr active covers, do those work if qml files are in qrc file05:30
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miksuhI think something like this should work:05:38
miksuhright? I can't try it right now05:39
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miksuhCurrently I just deploy qml files with app, but I want to move qml code to qrc resource file05:50
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tbrhmm, alarm clock doesn't fire, reproducibly07:18
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fk_lxtbr: ugh, not good07:21
* tbr suspects it's a near-oom condition07:22
tbrthat also looks weird, thousands of those lines: Jan 09 09:16:58 localhost mission-control-5[993]: GLIB CRITICAL ** tp-glib - tp_cli_connection_interface_power_saving_call_set_power_saving: assertion `TP_IS_CONNECTION (proxy)' failed07:24
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specialtbr: harmless, but there is a fix merged anyway07:25
tbrok, good to know07:26
* tbr retries setting an alarm and watching journal07:28
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tbrJan 09 09:27:56 localhost jolla-clock[17647]: [W] AlarmObject::saveReply:305 - org.nemomobile.alarms: Cannot sync alarm to timed: QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply"...s broken.")07:32
specialerwhat indeed07:32
specialis timed running?07:32
tbrfirst thing I checked was timed and the process was there07:32
* tbr checks again, now07:33
tbrnemo       906  0.2  3.5  68300 29772 ?        Ssl  Jan04  15:35 /usr/bin/timed-qt5 --systemd07:33
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tbrjftr, output of free:07:34
tbrMem:        831704     820700      11004          0         44     10695607:34
tbr-/+ buffers/cache:     713700     11800407:34
tbrSwap:       143356     143356          007:34
tbrquite full, but not completely07:34
tbrmaybe timed locked into some state while memory was full?07:34
specialinstall qdbus if it's not there already07:35
specialand try using qdbus to probe at timed and see if it reacts07:35
specialthere's a timed client package somewhere, install that and see if it gets reactions07:35
specialI don't have a phone near me, so I can't actually check07:35
uvatbcHi all, I'm working on getting the Sailfish SDK and emulator to work first in Vmware Workstation and then ESX so the VMs can be easily provisioned to users07:35
tbrhmm no qdbus package in active repositories (mer-tools is on)07:36
tbrtimedclient-qt5 is there though07:36
Stskeepsuvatbc: problem is that we rely quite heavily on the custom resolutions and the shared folders07:36
tbrlet's see07:36
Stskeepstbr: can you try to get a non line wrapping journal?07:36
tbr[nemo@localhost ~]$ timedclient-qt5 -p07:38
tbr[W] do_ping_all:1013 - 'ping' call failed QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply", "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.")07:38
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specialtbr: strace, gdb, timed-debuginfo, attach strace and/or gdb and see what it's doing07:38
uvatbcStskeeps: I saw the documentation and realized that almost everything is based off shared folders and I have a fair understanding of why that is sounderstand that.07:39
uvatbc*why that is so07:39
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uvatbcI still think it will help me to at least get the Mer SDK ported to Vmware07:39
Stskeepsuvatbc: the custom resolution thing is probably more important07:40
uvatbcnot ported... just get it working07:40
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uvatbcis the custom resolution required even for the SDK (not the emulator) ?07:41
Stskeepsnah, just for emul07:41
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uvatbcright, so I started with the sdk vm knowing  that if it is anything like the old style scratchbox vms, then a UI is not strictly required.07:43
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Stskeepsit's a bit more complex07:44
uvatbcfrom what I understand, the way it works is that the sailfish qtcreator setup exposes the sources to the sdk vm through "host only networks" based shared folders07:44
tbrWTFBBQ, what is a binary named "timed-aegis-session-helper" doing on my precioussssss?07:45
tbranyway, that's what I ever got out of the strace:07:46
tbr[root@localhost nemo]# strace -v -f -p 90607:46
tbrProcess 906 attached with 2 threads - interrupt to quit07:46
tbr[pid   930] futex(0xcb2184, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 3, NULL <unfinished ...>07:46
tbr[pid   906] futex(0xcb3df8, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 2, NULL07:46
Stskeepstbr: probably just a leftover07:46
tbrand I tried running the ping07:46
Stskeepsi'm wondering about dbus'es timers and suspend / boottime07:46
tbrthere is dbus traffic, so that's alive it seems07:47
uvatbcStskeeps: I'm sure it is. Is there something I should go RTFM before I bash some more on the VM I have up and running ?07:48
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tbrI'll leave the phone in this state and head to the office, in case someone gets better ideas. I can also offer a ssh connection to the phone for more knowledgeable debuggers07:48
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TmpNickDoes Sailfish OS have a software repository similar to the that Ubuntu (Touch) has?08:48
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tomyriQMediaPlayer bugs with mp3 mono files if sample rate is 22.05kHz (mono+44.1k and stereo+22.05k works fine). It plays those files but updates position wrong and stops playing before end09:30
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wickwireHi guys, I just saw an internet clip showing jolla's The Other Half being used to install a theme, and download custom apps10:35
wickwireis this jolla exclusive or is there any documentation on sailfishOS for cover interaction?10:35
Waiteeyeah thats easy to implement since all the otherhalfs have an rfid sticker10:36
wickwireyes but is there some guide on how to deal with the triggered actions, upon cover event?10:37
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Waiteeno there isnt10:38
Waiteeor at least i havent heard of10:38
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Turskiwickwire: there's tohd service on jolla, but i don't think anything is documented yet10:40
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kaqqaoHey all.10:44
kaqqaoJust discovered SailfishOS and it looks like something I'd love to try out10:45
kaqqaobut... there's no list of supported devices anywhere10:45
kaqqaoso what kind of device would I need to run this?10:45
Hurriankaqqao: Jolla or Nokia N9/5010:46
tbrkaqqao: currently it runs on the Jolla device and the Nokia N9/N95010:46
tbrsome more Cyanogenmod 10.1+ based devices are due to be added soon™10:46
kenguhow well it runs on n9(/950)10:46
kengunot that I have any10:46
Hurriantbr, would anyone be able to port Sailfish to any Cyanogenmod 10.1+ supporting device?10:47
tbrHurrian: supposedly this will come as an initial push from the sailors with community taking over. Dunno.10:49
kaqqaoOk, thanks a bunch for the info, guys.10:49
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TmpNick(I have no idea how sensible this question is, but) can the software repository of Ubuntu (Touch) be utilized on the Sailfish OS?11:08
fluxI seriously doubt it can11:09
euroelessarTmpNick: what exactly do you mean?11:09
euroelessarthis systems have different graphic system (Wayland vs Mir) and different user interface components11:10
fluxfor one, Ubuntu uses apt/dpkg/deb but SailfishOS uses pkcon/rpm11:10
fluxmaybe you could find some basic binaries (ie. wget) from there, but it'd be hand-work to extract and run them. and not sure if they still would work :)11:11
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TmpNickeuroelessar: I was just wondering whether I could somehow specify on Sailfish that I would like to use the software repository of Ubuntu and then download and install some packages. However, as 'flux' pointed out, the package managers are different, so I guess this is not an option11:15
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TmpNickBtw, has anyone tried to run Oracle's Java SE Embedded on a Jolla phone?11:24
euroelessarTmpNick: don't think so11:25
ln-why would anyone in their sane mind want to do that?11:25
euroelessarare there any /alive/ applications using Java SE Embedded?11:25
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TmpNickeuroelessar: Not that I would know, but I have a command line program, and I'm a bit curious to see how fast it could run on a Jolla phone11:33
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ApBbbbbHello. Is there a guide somewhere on how to pack an icon theme to replace the default app icons of the phone without deleting the default ones.12:36
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euroelessaris there any good way to "simulate" selection of the text?13:03
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coderuseuroelessar: html tags?13:11
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euroelessarcoderus: Qt's html components are unconvinient for EBook reader usage :(13:12
juke_any ubuntu users developing with real devices? i'm wondering how did you set your network preferences to be able to use internet at the same time as staying connected to the device13:13
euroelessarjuke_: I've just plugged device into my laptop and all 'just work'13:14
euroelessarthe issue may be that fact that Internet is provided by wifi13:15
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euroelessarso jolla doesn't conflict with it13:15
juke_with wifi i got it working right, but wired networks are now the issue13:15
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juke_perhaps some ifconfig magic would do it13:16
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pp_it tries to do networking over the usb interface?13:16
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euroelessarpp_: network manager activets only one ethernet connection per time13:16
euroelessarand jolla is just 'ethernet device'13:17
MSameerjuke_: might be that your ethernet ip is within the usb networking block13:17
juke_it doesn't do anything automatically, but when i create a new "connection" and set my ip to the same subnet as the device13:17
juke_MSameer, i have public ip13:17
pp_so tell NM to ignore the rndis device :-)13:17
MSameeri don't use network manager so I obviously don't know13:17
juke_pp_, but then i can't ssh to the device :/13:18
pp_and just give it a manual 192.168.2.x address13:18
juke_if i do that, i lose internet13:18
MSameerwhat's your routing table like?13:19
MSameerifconfig; /sbin/route -n13:19
MSameer /sbin/ifconfig; /sbin/route -n13:20
juke_perhaps i should create a virtual interface with ifconfig and set it the device's subnet without using NM13:20
juke_aa shit, it just wasn't in developer mode :D13:20
juke_thank you all!13:21
MSameerlost my hair once over that13:21
nahka^is there going to be a fix for the audio issues in recorded videos13:23
MSameerthere will be more improvements in the next update13:23
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artemmakontio: ping14:25
artemmaMy app was rejected because "recently we added category of application as required", but in Harbour I see that the app category is set :/14:26
artemmaA bug in the harbour internal side?14:26
kontioartemma: the testers told me that there was not category set... for the flashlight app... I don't know...14:28
kontiowhich category did you set?14:28
artemmaThat's what the message tells indeed, I see in harbour that it is set (and it always was)14:28
artemmamaybe some update glitch when I replaced a binary while the old one was still in QA?14:29
kontioevt. I don't know...14:29
artemmaWhat shall I do then?14:29
Nicd-flashlight is under Utilities in the store though14:29
artemmaI sure can resubmit again, that's just one button press14:29
kontioresubmit and I ask them what they see, now14:30
artemmakontio: done, Clicked "Submit to QA", changed nothing else14:30
kontioartemma: guess then you have to change something... add a new line or so in changes field...14:31
kontioor write resubmit...14:31
kontiowhat you actually are doing...14:31
artemmaokay, doing that14:32
artemmakontio: done. Added explanation about the Category to "What's new"14:33
artemmais it possible to maybe go around the queue then? I have next feature updates piling up already waiting for this build to pass14:33
artemmaand some people are annoyed by that data collection, it's disabled in the submitted build14:34
Hartzihmm what could be wrong if my app crashes when I try set a model for a page property(QtObject) before pushing the page into pagestack? Wrong type of a property or something?14:34
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HartziQTC doesn't give me any error message. The app just crashes.14:36
kontioartemma: ok the category is now set, I have no idea what went wrong...14:36
artemmakontio: thanks. Maybe just a temporary bug in harbour code14:37
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Sfiet_KonstantinI have a problem with store14:41
Sfiet_KonstantinMy app is rejected saying14:42
Sfiet_Konstantin"Unfortunately I have to reject your app because you haven't select any application category."14:42
Sfiet_KonstantinI was sure that I picked Internet as a category14:42
kontioyou too...14:42
kontiowhich app14:42
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Sfiet_Konstantinkontio: Friends14:42
artemmawoohoo, Flashlight got approved!14:42
Sfiet_Konstantinkontio: sent a newer version with some bugfixes, don't know how this interferes14:43
artemmaIs there some standard delay between Approved and Published nowadays? I remember it used to be quite random14:43
Sfiet_Konstantinnow ... grab some food ...14:44
kontioartemma: it used to be manual work (once or every 2nd day)... now it should do it several times a day... I don't know how often...14:44
Nicd-artemma: does this flashlight have home-calling?14:45
artemmakontio: I noticed that now I can reSubmit to QA even if the old build is already in QA. Do I reenter queue then (waiting for days again)?14:45
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artemmaNicd-: nope, this one got stats gathering disabled. I might reenable it later when I figure how to do it in a clear manner and non-intrusively14:46
artemmathere's big Privacy page in the app about it now :)14:46
Nicd-okay, then I'll reinstall it once my store updates14:46
kontioartemma: I don't know...14:47
artemmathat's sort of a double edge thing. Flashlight for me is mostly a demo of my skills (for marketing myself as a development house). So I do want to have numbers on how much app is actually used, but then due to the gathering these numbers less people use the app14:47
artemmashrödinger's stats :)14:48
lbtartemma: I actually think we should find a way to expose that via store14:48
artemmalbt: that would be good! Won't solve everything, but would solve most needed stuff14:48
lbtit makes sense to offer a sailfish stats lib - and if you use that then people should have no issue trusting it.14:48
lbtin addition we can work to tailor it for the more extreme privacy-minded customers14:49
artemmalbt: so you are thinking about more than just counting app starts? Cool!14:49
lbtand if we opensource it14:49
artemmaBut then what's the difference from sending the stats directly from app?14:49
lbtinstalls, uninstalls, reinstalls14:49
lbttransparency and trust14:49
artemmawell, my Mixanel code is open source free for everybody to use (and improve), helps nothing14:50
lbtone thing to learn from recent high profile issues in the tech world. Telling people what you do *after* they find out themselves hurts.14:50
lbtmissing comma :)14:51
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artemmalbt: or do you mean installations only reporting? I am more after app *starts* and ideally into advanced stats for AB-testing. For example next feature I plan introducing is flashlight control from app cover. It would be useful for me to know if people use this particular feature14:51
lbthopefully a lesson learned, lets move on14:51
* lbt looks at jolla's bootloader locking and grins14:51
artemmayeah, I always stated that most of people don't give a shit about privacy, they hate to be surprised about it. Too bad I was too lazy to take it into account from the beginning14:52
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artemmalbt: good! I submitted that actually. Awesome to know that Jolla actually does consider it!14:53
* artemma thinks it would be cool if Together had some Jolla company-specific statuses. Like "acknowledged", "planned", "done", "oups, we changed our mind"14:54
Stskeeps"damage control in 5...4...3..2..1."14:54
lbtindeed ... the "oh shit we never thought you'd think that" ...14:55
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lbtI suggest not 'accepting' it as it will close the question15:02
artemmajust got an email notification about it :)15:02
artemmathanks a lot!15:03
artemmalbt: as a user it would be cool for me to see (as in a log journal) the data that is actually sent, but hell knows how to make it easy yet useful15:04
juke_how do i debug apps on jolla phone? is there any way to get stack trace on crash?15:05
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fluxyou can run gdb on it15:05
juke_debug launching on sdk fails15:05
juke_how do i install it?15:05
fluxpkcon install gdb iirc15:06
fluxit could be in the mer-tools repository15:06
artemmajuke_: somebody was telling only QML debugging works for now. I didn't make even qml debugging working15:06
juke_artemma, i think that was when using the sdk15:06
fluxjuke_, when you build a package it also builds the debuginfo package15:07
fluxjuke_, so you probably want to install that as well15:07
flux(and depending on your situation you may wish to install that for pre-existing packages with pkcon, I think that's possible)15:07
juke_so in the sdk i pick debug build and now i have gdb installed. what do i need to do?15:08
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juke_sorry, i'm not familiar with qt development. how do i deploy app with debug symbols?15:11
euroelessarare there any rules for application icons? some best practices and so on?15:11
Hartzihey! what could be wrong if my app crashes when I try set a model for a page property(QtObject) before pushing the page into pagestack? Wrong type of a property or something?15:13
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euroelessarHartzi: this object is still alive at crash moment?15:14
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Hartzieuroelessar: you're talking about that QtObject?15:16
euroelessarHartzi: yes15:16
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Hartzigood point. I think it's created when the new page is opened15:17
euroelessarHartzi: do you have a trace?15:17
euroelessarrun application by gdb it may help you15:18
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juke_why i try that, gdb tells me (no debugging symbols found)15:18
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juke_do i need to add some build flags?15:23
Hartzieuroelessar: Do I need precreate that page before trying put something into its properties?15:26
euroelessarHartzi: no, you don't need15:28
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euroelessarHartzi: pageStack.push(someComponent, { model: someQtObject }) should work fine15:31
Hartzieuroelessar: okay I'll try that one15:31
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Hartzieuroelessar: and how I define the property on the opening page now? property QtObject model: something..?15:35
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euroelessarHartzi: Page { property QtObject model }15:38
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Hartzithis says that model is null :|15:41
Hartziso my pageStack.push is doing something wrong?15:42
euroelessarHartzi: is someQtObject before 'push' is null or not?15:43
euroelessarhow do you check model's value?15:43
euroelessarin Page's Component.onCompleted?15:43
Hartzieuroelessar: is someQtObject obj name or obj type?15:44
euroelessarHartzi: obj name you provided as model's value15:45
Hartzithat was my mistake15:45
Hartzinow it works :)15:45
euroelessarwhat was an error?15:45
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HartziI thought someQtObject was a type not a name15:45
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john24hey guys, I've submit an update for app to the harbour but it was rejected and I am very confused why15:46
john24the reply was: "App rejected   Hello,  recently we added category of application as required, so please resubmit your app and choose proper category in Jolla Harbour.  Thank you for understanding.  Br,  Tomas"15:47
john24anyone knows what that means?15:47
Bysmyyryou have to choose category again because there is more of them.15:48
Hartzieuroelessar: thx anyway :)15:49
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john24I see well I made a Body Mass Index Calculator and before it was under utilities15:50
john24what category it would be under now? because I am not sure what to pick15:50
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juke_any ideas at which stage the app binary is stripped?15:56
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mfulzhow long does it take normally to get an answer to bug reports in tjc?15:58
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mfulzsorry ignore that - wrong channel16:00
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kaltsijohn24: I hear there's some harbour server related issue with the category that appeared today.. the cause is not known yet, resubmitting your app with Utilities category may/may not help16:02
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kaltsijuke_: app binary is stripped during rpmbuild by the /usr/lib/rpm/ script, which extracts the debug symbols to their own package16:04
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juke_ok, how do i deploy that to device?16:05
kaltsimanually any way you choose16:05
kaltsifor example with scp16:05
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john24well it was rejected from unitlities so I guess i'll just wait for them to fix this16:06
juke_kaltsi, i think i need a little more to go on16:06
kaltsijuke_: you will need to access the device with ssh and scp..16:06
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juke_sure, where's the package?16:07
kaltsijuke_: what environment do you have? linux/win/mac16:07
kaltsiok.. your project dir is somewhere.. on that same level there's a dir: build-projectname-blablabla .. under that is RPMS directory and the created rpm packages are there16:07
juke_ok found it16:07
juke_can this be added as a deploy step in the sdk?16:08
kaltsithere should be a *-debuginfo-*16:08
kaltsithere's no easy way to add it as a deploy step now16:09
kaltsibut wait a sec..16:10
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kaltsiok it's possible to build the binary so it's not stripped16:11
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kaltsiif you want to do that, open your project's *.spec file.. it's under the rpm/ directory16:11
kaltsinear the top of the file there are a couple lines starting with # >> macros16:12
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kaltsiafter the # >> macros line add:16:12
kaltsi%define debug_package %{nil}16:12
kaltsithen you can save it and rebuild your project, no debuginfo package is created and the binary stays unstripped16:13
juke_thanks, i'll try that16:13
juke_kaltsi, that did the trick, thank you very much!16:15
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kaltsigreat, yw16:16
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juke_how do i add resource files to be deployed?16:43
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juke_i guess it's easiest to put in qml dir16:49
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walokragood reason to browse imgur (if it even needs reason): testing your app :)16:59
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coderusjuke_: add to INSTALLS in pro file17:50
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Guest78962Hi, I want to send tweets from my application. I've done it on Android using Twitter4J. What should I use in sailfishOS?18:36
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Waiteeoh from your application18:37
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Waiteeno idea18:37
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Guest78962I've searched on twitter dev page. I've found this but I didn't find any guide to use it with QML...18:39
hoelzrowhat's the recommended way to create a grid of buttons?  If I use the Silica button component, they're too big (max 2 fit on a screen, iirc)18:39
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coderusWaitee: search for twitter4qml project.19:03
coderusGuest78962: it was for you19:03
coderusbtw, please set proper nickname19:03
coderushoelzro: every item have width and height19:03
hoelzrocoderus: so if I do Button { width: 50 }...19:04
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hoelzro...that'll override what's in Button's definition?19:04
coderusHartzi: btw, what the purpose of buttons grid? maybe better to create own graphics?19:04
coderusholkeri: of course :)19:04
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Hartzicoderus: wut?19:05
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Guest78962coderus: thanks! I don't use chat often, now I'm gonna read how to register a nickname :D Thanks for the answer, tonight I'll watch it :)19:10
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Waitee / and & too close to each other19:12
coderusHartzi: sorry =(19:14
coderustoo many nicks around19:14
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Hartzicoderus: ok :D19:24
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hoelzrodo anchors work differently on sailfish than the desktop?  if I create a simple Rectangle with anchors.fill: parent, it doesn't show up anywhere19:35
suyhoelzro: and who is the parent of the rectangle?19:38
hoelzroa SilicaFlickable19:38
coderusand what geometry of this flickable?19:42
hoelzroI nested it in a Page, and told it anchors.fill: parent19:42
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hoelzroI figured it out =/19:43
hoelzroit's because I cargo culted something I didn't understand =(19:43
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walokrawhen installing your own rpm by copying it to jolla and opening it and it goes to jolla store app, shouldn't it show the correct name and icon from .desktop file?19:45
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hoelzrohmm, does using "transparent" as a color for a Rectangle not work on Sailfish?20:09
hoelzrowhen I try it, they are painted white20:09
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coderushoelzro: "transparent"20:11
seiichiro0185hi there, quick qml programming question: I have a list model with an attribute "fav" which can be either 0 or 1, and a switch inside a listview which is tied to this attribute. when I change the "fav" value programatically the switch changes for the first try, but not for subsequent changes to the model20:11
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seiichiro0185any idea what might be going wrong?20:11
coderusseiichiro0185: you maybe need to change  model property when switching?20:12
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hoelzrook, my standalone example works =/20:12
coderusyou losing bindings when manually switching20:12
seiichiro0185what I'm trying to do is to switch off all switches in the list except the one which was just switched on20:14
coderusseiichiro0185: implementing radio button group?20:14
coderusis it suitable for listmodel?20:15
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seiichiro0185coderus: essentially yes, I have a list of items, and I want to mark one as favourite with the switch20:15
hoelzroah, I think I figured it out20:15
hoelzroI had a white rectangle under the transparent one =/20:16
coderusonly single item can be faved?20:16
seiichiro0185so I need to have some kind of radio group functionality for a switch inside a listview20:16
seiichiro0185coderus: yes20:16
coderusseiichiro0185: then dont keep it in model. make property int fav: -120:17
coderusand save there faved index20:17
coderusand highlight fav item by comparing index == fav20:17
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seiichiro0185coderus: hm ok, that might be worth a try. I have it in model since it is also stored in the LocalStorage DB, which is used to fill the model20:19
coderussure, keep it in db and load at first time and then keep in global property, and write back20:20
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seiichiro0185coderus: thanks, I'll try :)20:21
mikmacoderus: has someone ever told you anything about screen staying on after starting mitäkuuluu?20:21
coderusmikma: what you mean?20:21
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mikmacoderus: for some reason, the screen refuses to turn off, it just stays on if i'm located somewhere else than the lock screen (5sec rule)20:22
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coderusmikma: no, it cant be caused mitakuuluu :)20:26
mikmacoderus: okidoki :)20:26
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mikmacoderus: i was just thinking that it could be toh+store+ some application combined, but can't locate the cause. that has happened twice now20:28
mikmacoderus: tohd.service has been masked and stopped20:28
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slatecoderus: Can i make my own mods to language-files? I want to change some of the words in finnish translation of mitäkuuluu21:06
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coderusslate: translation is bad?21:09
coderusi can give you coordinator role if Penguin can't manage translation properly21:10
slate"Kirjautuneena" is too long to fit the cover nicely21:10
slate"Kirjautunut" would fit better21:11
Waiteeor just "Online"21:11
Waiteefinnish people using whatsapp already know what it means21:11
mikmapretty much anyone with internet knows online...21:13
coderusslate: you can create fi_FI translation, i think it supported21:13
mikma"ootsä onlinessä"?21:13
celeron55i think reverting to english like that is lame21:13
celeron55if someone wants to see english, they'll use the english version21:13
Waiteebut since its whatsapp does it even have to tell you if it's signed in?21:14
Waiteebecause default is it's connected21:14
coderusbtw, do you want to have appname on launcher translated to locale language?21:14
slateI live with a teacher who wants my finnish to be perfect without any finglish.. :P21:14
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Waiteefinglish is fine21:15
coderusWaitee: connected means socket connected to server, but not logged in yed.21:15
Waiteewe have this lecturer who talks about internet or web as "seitti" which is literally web in finnish21:15
celeron55one short word that could mean the same is "sisällä"; altough it's a bit different21:15
celeron55it's very finnish though21:15
mikmawaitee: "interseitissä oli hassu kissavideo"21:16
Waiteecoderus: end user doesnt have to know of the inner workings21:16
Waiteemikma: "seittiselain lataa sivulta keksin"21:16
coderusWaitee: once he see logged in after connected will understand :)21:16
slatecoderus: imo no need for the appname to change with locale21:17
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Waiteecoderus: default teenager is not interested in network technology, he just wants to know the wifi password and send a bunch of swaggy words to his friends yolo21:18
slatewith an iphone21:18
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Waiteethe app could inform you with a notification if it gets disconnected however21:18
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coderusWaitee: good idea, create issue please :)21:19
Waiteedo you have a bugtracker or something?21:19
slateWith current sailfish-build I get frequent disconnects from network. handovers from wifi to 3g arent perfect. Also the whole gui hangs but theres a bugreport on that one i guess.21:20
coderususers dont read app description and details, weird :(21:20
Waiteeit happens coderus :D21:21
raa70coderus: you should fake them as messages, then maybe21:22
Waiteecant register to tmo21:22
Waitee"you have left a required field blank"21:23
raa70adblock blocking captcha?21:23
coderusraa70: what are you talking  about&21:23
raa70the app description and details21:24
raa70if you fake them as messages in mitäkuuluu then some1 might read those21:24
coderusi dont like this21:25
coderuswell, not just users21:25
coderususers in #sfos irc :D21:25
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Waiteehmm disabling adblock helped21:25
Waiteelol nice spam check21:27
Waitee"What is the square root of sixty four?"21:27
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Waiteeprevents annoying 12 year olds from joining the forums somewhat21:28
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raa70until annoying 12 year olds learn to use google21:29
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EztranIf they could Google for their problems, they'd be less annoying.21:29
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coderusWaitee: not really21:29
mikmaimplement the leisure suit larry ageverification21:29
mikmahard questions about history etc :D21:29
mikmaCHEATER CHEATER! ok, since it's you...21:29
raa70those questions were hard... in elementary school, before learning english21:30
Waiteecoderus: somewhat at least21:30
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mikmaraa70: that's the whole idea! go ahead and try the questions in the classic version. they are still hard :)21:31
mikmaand the ones in the remake are hard too, but a tad easier because they are closer in time than the classic version questions21:32
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Waiteecoderus: what was it what i was gonna write an issue about?21:34
coderusWaitee: feature request for showing notifications when disconnected21:34
coderusand maybe when connected too21:35
coderusi'll add settings switch for that asap21:35
Waiteeoh yea21:35
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artemmaStskeeps: sent reproducable crash report to you21:42
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walokraif my app crashes on phone, can i see somewhere what happened?21:48
coderuswalokra: first start app in terminal and look21:49
walokraha, didn't know that21:50
walokraat least loading bunch of anim. gifs and playing them automatically isn't good21:51
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zuhwalokra: 'journalctl -a yourapp-binary' in root shell shows about the same21:56
zuhthat you see when launching from terminal21:56
walokrano wonder it didn't work as i tried that with nemo user21:57
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* artemma experiences rendering issues if app *starts* while screen is locked (happens when starting from creator)22:03
artemmalike Image source changes (verified in logs), but not its rendering on screen22:03
artemmaI guess I ignore it as normal user will never have such situation, but it's strange22:03
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M4rtinKIf I counted the "this can't ever happen" error messages I've seen... :)22:19
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