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| wellu_ | all: Any idea what kind of QA process is run for Android apps in Jolla Store? As we know there isn't any kind of QA process in e.g Google Play and what I've seen majority of the so-called free apps on Android are crap. | 06:38 |
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| wellu_ | I'm worried that Jolla Store gets its share of this crap too. Like having n^x calculators that call home, show adds and steal user data. | 06:39 |
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| smokex | wellu_: The Sailfish QA process is fairly stringent. They check included libraries and only allow you to use some for example. | 08:06 |
| ln- | allow using only certain Android libraries? | 08:07 |
| smokex | I'm farly certain that someone test runs every app before it is added to the store repo | 08:07 |
| smokex | I'm talking about jolla harbor | 08:07 |
| ln- | so am i, so was wellu_ | 08:07 |
| _Razor_ | screen -Dr | 08:10 |
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| _Razor_ | sorry | 08:10 |
| Nicd- | tmux att | 08:11 |
| wellu_ | smokex: there are already some non-working Android apps in Harbour. | 08:13 |
| wellu_ | ..like crashing, not getting GPS fix etc. | 08:13 |
| smokex | might be a good idea to talk to the sailfish guys then | 08:14 |
| jake9xx | kontio: ^ | 08:14 |
| smokex | but I'm pretty sure they aren't awake at 6:13pm brisbane, australia time | 08:14 |
| smokex | since most of them are in finland | 08:14 |
| tbr | people should be waking up now | 08:15 |
| suosaaski | it's 10:15 here in Finland. | 08:15 |
| tbr | it's 1015 local | 08:15 |
| smokex | you might want to /join #jollamobile too if you haven't already | 08:15 |
| smokex | and email developer-care (at) jolla.com | 08:20 |
| smokex | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-November/000989.html | 08:20 |
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| ln- | let's say someone submits an Android app to the store, and later creates a native sailfish app with the sama name. can it be submitted as an update to the Android one? | 08:25 |
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| clau | currently pkcon can be used by user nemo to install new packages. this also means any app running under user name can do it (for instance Warehouse, from openrepos). | 08:54 |
| clau | this looks like a huge security risk. | 08:54 |
| clau | am I missing something? | 08:54 |
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| wellu_ | clau: what about running 'devel-su' | 09:32 |
| wellu_ | clau: what about running 'devel-su' from main.cpp ? | 09:32 |
| clau | what about it? | 09:32 |
| clau | doesn't it ask for password? | 09:32 |
| wellu_ | ah, you're right | 09:32 |
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| wellu_ | "Please enter you password to continue" dialog first :) | 09:33 |
| clau | essentially a malicious app can do whatever it pleases :( | 09:34 |
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| wellu_ | clau: yes, so don't worry about installing packages. It is the least of the problems. | 09:36 |
| clau | /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/75-store-client-pkgkit-issues-workaround.pkla | 09:36 |
| clau | well, that's the main source of my worries | 09:36 |
| wellu_ | "Law #1: If a bad guy can persuade you to run his program on your computer, it's not your computer anymore" | 09:37 |
| clau | yeah, but currently this looks like win95, security wise | 09:37 |
| clau | how do I know that a closed source app from store doesn't do some bad stuff? | 09:37 |
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| wellu_ | clau: You don't. No one knows. | 09:38 |
| rcg | wellu_, i think what clau means is that a malicious app can install any rpm from anywhere. by installing an rpm, usually, some scripts, such as postinst etc. are run as root. which means that, essentially, by allowing arbitrary packages being installed you could gain root | 09:38 |
| wellu_ | Except the author of course. | 09:38 |
| clau | that's why there's so much security around | 09:38 |
| clau | privilege separation, stuff like that | 09:38 |
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| clau | I was already pissed that all apps run under the same user, and essentially a flashlight app can read my emails from home dir. | 09:38 |
| rcg | but i haven't looked into the details of pkcon and ssu so i dunno if they allow such things easily | 09:39 |
| rcg | like adding arbitrary repos etc. | 09:39 |
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| clau | rcg, a warehouse bug just removed the phone app from someone's phone | 09:39 |
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| rcg | or downloading and installing apps from arbitrary sources | 09:39 |
| rcg | clau, yay xD | 09:39 |
| clau | so at the least there's a risk of DoS | 09:39 |
| rcg | indeed | 09:39 |
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| clau | https://together.jolla.com/question/13946/problem-i-deleted-a-warehouse-app-and-it-deleted-android-support-and-the-call-application | 09:40 |
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| wellu_ | It all boils down to this. Always. "Law #1: If a bad guy can persuade you to run his program on your computer, it's not your computer anymore" | 09:40 |
| clau | no, it doesn't. | 09:40 |
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| clau | currently a bug in the browser can possibly allow someone to run code on the phone. | 09:40 |
| clau | and basically the attacker already has root, by means of pkcon. | 09:40 |
| wellu_ | that might be true *too* | 09:41 |
| clau | this is not cool in 2014, really. | 09:41 |
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| rcg | but also think about something like that in a postinst script or something similar: passwd foo; enable ssh (changed config if necessary) ; send jolla-ip to bad-guy; qed | 09:41 |
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| rcg | just to give pretty simple example | 09:42 |
| clau | correct me if I am wrong, but someone could provide an "upgrade" for an existing package, that installed malicious bins | 09:42 |
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| clau | so, someone could even repackage jolla apps | 09:42 |
| rcg | well, that would require the attacker to add a repo, wouldn't it? | 09:42 |
| clau | not sure | 09:43 |
| rcg | or redirect repo access to his own site | 09:43 |
| clau | you can install rpms from local disk, right? | 09:43 |
| rcg | sure, yes | 09:43 |
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| clau | are the installed packages bound to a specific source? | 09:43 |
| rcg | dunno | 09:43 |
| rcg | as said, i didn't look that much into the details of pkcon and ssu | 09:43 |
| clau | in any case, regardless of the details if a possible attack... this is just very very bad. | 09:43 |
| rcg | but i think you mention valid points | 09:44 |
| clau | *of | 09:44 |
| clau | I am starting to miss aegis :( | 09:44 |
| rcg | one thing you might look into is if it is required for certain packages to be signed | 09:44 |
| rcg | and if it is or at least can be prohibited to install packages that aren't properly signed | 09:45 |
| clau | even if it is so, that won't stop installing new packages | 09:45 |
| rcg | iirc when messing with zypper you could enable something like a gpg check | 09:45 |
| clau | and really, how many users ever list all the packages and checks them? | 09:45 |
| rcg | well, having a requirement that packages need to be signed would require an attacker to gain access to the signing key/certificate/whatever | 09:46 |
| clau | you mean signed by repo source? | 09:46 |
| rcg | i don't know how it is implemented | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | guys, we have positions open for security engineer | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:46 |
| clau | it could be done, I suppose, and it would increase security | 09:46 |
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| rcg | what i mean is that on the device there would be pre-installed keys that are regarded as trusted and those are used to verify the integrity of packages to be installed | 09:47 |
| rcg | Stskeeps, ;D | 09:47 |
| rcg | so, e.g., by adding something to harbour, the rpm would then be signed by the jolla-trusted certificate or something | 09:47 |
| clau | rcg, I got it. and the device can remain as open if there's a way to manually install new keys, but just as root. | 09:48 |
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| rcg | clau, something like that | 09:48 |
| rcg | clau, but as you mention, right now, i am not sure about the current state | 09:48 |
| kopla | hi! how to detect power key (button) event? qmkeys.h? https://github.com/nemomobile/qmsystem/blob/master/system/qmkeys.h or ? | 09:48 |
| rcg | so far, i could easily install all rpms i downloaded simply via the file browser app | 09:48 |
| clau | I wonder if someone can pursuade the browser to do it. | 09:49 |
| suy | Stskeeps: jolla page says to send CV before December 31, so now, you are covered :-P (/me hides) | 09:50 |
| clau | :D | 09:50 |
| clau | Stskeeps, good to know :) | 09:50 |
| rcg | clau, iirc there are similar discussions on together.jolla.com and iirc i read something about some setting like "allow installation from non-trusted sources" or so being added with an update | 09:52 |
| rcg | essentially, pretty much similar to what was possible with the n9 | 09:52 |
| clau | yep, I'll search for it and vote it up. | 09:52 |
| rcg | :) | 09:52 |
| rcg | but good to know that people are concerned about security :D | 09:53 |
| rcg | you know, the "good guys" ;) | 09:53 |
| clau | :D | 09:53 |
| clau | Stskeeps, I see you hire people on many fronts. | 09:55 |
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| hardcodes | anyone here that knows about merssh? | 09:57 |
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| suy | hardcodes: probably a lot. Make the real question, and somebody can answer then :) | 09:59 |
| hardcodes | OK, I want to pass the project dir on deployment with -p | 09:59 |
| hardcodes | somehow it gets lost until it reaches the mb2 script | 09:59 |
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| hardcodes | and every proxy script in .config/SailfishAlpha3/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-i486-x86 uses merssh | 10:00 |
| hardcodes | so what does merssh do and does it set a fixed directory when calling mb2? | 10:01 |
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| radiofree | jolla arrives today, how exciting :D | 10:02 |
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| clau | congrats :) | 10:04 |
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| hardcodes | AWAY business | 10:28 |
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| testyfallen | hello :) | 10:47 |
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| euroelessar | hi | 10:48 |
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| coderus | hello hello :) | 11:19 |
| smokex | hey coderus :) | 11:19 |
| smokex | on your N9, is data transfer over 3G disabled with no way to enable it? | 11:20 |
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| raijin | my data transfer works just fine smokex | 11:48 |
| raijin | oh | 11:48 |
| raijin | belay that | 11:48 |
| raijin | -_- | 11:48 |
| coderus | smokex: its working | 11:49 |
| coderus | smokex: you need to long tap on it and enter access point credentials | 11:50 |
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| smokex | thanks coderus | 11:58 |
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| ponky | coderus: any eta on mitakuuluu background daemon :)? or is it even possible yet | 12:02 |
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| khertan | Hello ! | 12:33 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, ping | 12:33 |
| tbr | khertan: on a plane to HEL | 12:34 |
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| ericcc | tbr hi can you add some color to the log of pagehttp://merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos/%23sailfishos.2014-01-13.log | 12:37 |
| tbr | ericcc: need to find my ssh key for that machine. last time I looked for it, I couldn't find it. | 12:39 |
| khertan | tbr, oh thx | 12:40 |
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| khertan | tbr, :) | 12:40 |
| khertan | he ask me to ping him tomorrow about the suddent reset | 12:40 |
| khertan | i got on my jolla | 12:40 |
| khertan | but didn't join it | 12:40 |
| ericcc | tbr 3q | 12:41 |
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| ericcc | tbr how can i instlll rpm to my sdk | 12:54 |
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| smokex | ericcc: zypper | 13:00 |
| ericcc | smokex: how can i do then | 13:01 |
| tbr | in your SDK you should use the management interface | 13:03 |
| smokex | ericcc the log is a plain text file... can't add color | 13:04 |
| tbr | smokex: log2html can do that | 13:04 |
| tbr | smokex: I just need to log on to the virtual machine and add it to the cron-cjobs | 13:04 |
| smokex | ah I see.. convert it to html | 13:05 |
| ericcc | smokex: like this http://merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2014-01-13.log.html | 13:05 |
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| ericcc | on twitter i just see a sumsung phone run the nemo os ,maybe mer os | 13:14 |
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| thp | coderus: https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/libsailfishapp in case you want to try adding i18n support to it | 13:25 |
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| tbr | ericcc: http://merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos/latest.log.html | 13:25 |
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| coderus | ponky: what you mean? | 13:30 |
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| coderus | thp: okay | 13:40 |
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| coderus | btw, maybe cover all elements with QScoppedPointer by default? | 13:41 |
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| suy | Even better, not returning new'ed pointers... Is not the standard practice in all the apps I've seen (at least not for QQuickView, and certainly not for QApplication). Just local variables in main(). | 13:47 |
| ericcc | tbr: nice job | 13:47 |
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| euroelessar | thp: libsailfishapp is opensourced? | 13:49 |
| thp | euroelessar: yes | 13:49 |
| euroelessar | great | 13:50 |
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| suy | Oh, seems the culprit for the pointers is libmdeclarativecache... :-/ | 13:52 |
| coderus | suy: what wrong with MDeclarativeCache? | 13:54 |
| suy | coderus: returns a pointer to QApplication, and you have to delete it yourself, or use a QScopedPointer | 13:55 |
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| suy | I haven't seen any other app that uses such pattern. I can live with it, I suppose, but makes the application strange if you want to have a main() shared for sailfish and other platforms. | 13:56 |
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| fk_lx | seems that Harbour rpm validator will be avaliable for developers soon: https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator | 13:56 |
| suy | Yep. Good news today :) | 13:57 |
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| fk_lx | and what we see from the stuff is that Jolla has it's private repos on bitbucket | 14:00 |
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| thp | suy: just write a main() for every platform, once you go to more exotic platforms, you won't be able to fit everything into main(), anyway | 14:02 |
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| thp | (think: android/jni or even windows with WinMain or emscripten) | 14:03 |
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| coderus | thp: making default translation picker based on default locale in SailfishApp::main | 14:06 |
| coderus | thp: and make SailfishApp::installTranslator(locale) ? | 14:06 |
| thp | coderus: yeah, possibly also having it as utility method so users with a custom main() can use it | 14:06 |
| thp | yeah sounds good | 14:07 |
| euroelessar | coderus: where would you store QTranslator? would you just make it QApplication's child? | 14:09 |
| coderus | euroelessar: ::installTranslator would return pointer to QTranslator, you can save it if you need to change translations dynamically | 14:11 |
| euroelessar | coderus: may be it should be named as loadTranslator? | 14:12 |
| coderus | of course | 14:12 |
| euroelessar | as install means installing it to QApplication | 14:12 |
| fk_lx | sounds better | 14:12 |
| coderus | euroelessar: QGuiApplication::instance() is there | 14:12 |
| coderus | and it will install it, yes | 14:13 |
| coderus | euroelessar: hm, seems resonable. no need for ::installTranslator, just ::loadTranslation is enough | 14:15 |
| coderus | main users will have automatically loaded translations | 14:16 |
| coderus | power users wiill have QTranslator and can should install it manually to app | 14:16 |
| euroelessar | yeah | 14:20 |
| euroelessar | make it's signature loadTranslation(const QLocale &locale = QLocale()), so default option will be the system one | 14:21 |
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| coderus | SAILFISHAPP_EXPORT QTranslator *loadTranslation(QLocale locale = QLocale::system()); | 14:22 |
| euroelessar | yes, that's nice, but don't forget const reference :) | 14:23 |
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| euroelessar | coderus: and why QLocale::system() but not QLocale()? | 14:24 |
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| dirkvl | hey! | 14:29 |
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| dirkvl | we are having troubles with accessing the interrupt line | 14:29 |
| dirkvl | from the software side | 14:30 |
| coderus | euroelessar: for compability :) | 14:30 |
| coderus | dirkvl: interrupt line? what it means? | 14:30 |
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| dirkvl | interrupt line from the i2c bus | 14:30 |
| dirkvl | 3.3v,ground,sda,scl,interrupt | 14:30 |
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| radiofree | yay jolla arrived! | 14:30 |
| radiofree | however, can't update it | 14:31 |
| radiofree | just seems to "Checking" for ages | 14:31 |
| Yaniel | it takes a long time | 14:31 |
| Yaniel | or did in the first version | 14:31 |
| roboro | my jolla arrived and the update went through okay | 14:31 |
| roboro | took a while | 14:31 |
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| roboro | still getting used to things :D | 14:31 |
| dirkvl | coderus: seems to be no support for interrupt in sdk | 14:32 |
| sledges | roboro: congrats \o/ | 14:32 |
| radiofree | roboro: same | 14:33 |
| roboro | thanks guys | 14:33 |
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| khertan | Hello | 14:33 |
| radiofree | was an n9 user, then i broke it, so now need to un-learn 6 months of using android ;) | 14:33 |
| khertan | how can i read old journalctl log when persistent mode is activated ? | 14:33 |
| roboro | been working on a tvheadend app... but still struggling with playing video... will be nice to test on an actual phone now | 14:33 |
| sledges | will be easy radiofree, it's the reverse process that seems painful (still swiping my android phones :)) | 14:34 |
| radiofree | yes that was me for about 5 of the 6 months with my s3 ;) | 14:34 |
| * khertan get back to n9 | 14:34 | |
| * khertan try it to use it again as main phone ... without result | 14:35 | |
| dirkvl | coderus: see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1406090&postcount=273 | 14:37 |
| khertan | journalctl: unrecognized option '--since=yesterday' | 14:38 |
| radiofree | hmm still "Checking..." | 14:38 |
| khertan | grrr | 14:38 |
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| faenil | khertan, journalctl </var/log/journalfile> | 14:53 |
| radiofree | hmm how big is the system update? | 14:53 |
| radiofree | file size wise | 14:54 |
| radiofree | 1.0.0.5 to... whatever the current one is | 14:54 |
| radiofree | did it over my data connection by accident | 14:54 |
| valdur55 | 1.0.2.5 | 14:54 |
| valdur55 | releaste to relase upgrades are big ones.... it reinstall bunch of packages... | 14:55 |
| valdur55 | all libs must reinstalled etc.... | 14:56 |
| valdur55 | damn... mosts of jolla apps have reinstalled. | 14:56 |
| khertan | faenil: thx but that s the first thing i tryed :) Failed to add match 'system@0004efdab884b558-6e55f2dccdffd29a.journal~': Invalid argument | 14:56 |
| radiofree | valdur55: ahh thanks | 14:56 |
| radiofree | well there goes my data ;P | 14:56 |
| Yaniel | 1.0.0.5 to 1.0.0.15 or so was 300MB iirc | 14:56 |
| valdur55 | so. big :) | 14:57 |
| Yaniel | and I did it over 3G as well :D | 14:57 |
| Yaniel | since I couldn't get it to connect to my wlan | 14:57 |
| valdur55 | updates on same relase are typically smaller ones. | 14:57 |
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| radiofree | Yaniel: ditto about the wlan | 14:58 |
| radiofree | is that fixed in the new update? | 14:58 |
| Yaniel | yeah, now it works | 14:58 |
| Yaniel | still has problems if you input a wrong password though | 14:58 |
| khertan | faenil: i'm not familiar with systemd and now man about journalctl and doc available on web look like didn't apply to jolla | 14:58 |
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| faenil | khertan, I used that before on Jolla, and I think it was just journalctl <file> | 14:59 |
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| faenil | so either the journal got corrupted with the shutdown, or I'm misremembering :) | 14:59 |
| faenil | khertan, mmm now that I think about it, maybe there was --d option involved | 15:00 |
| valdur55 | btw. if wifi doesn't work and mobile data is expencive then share your computer's connection with usb cable | 15:00 |
| faenil | khertan, yeah try "journalctl --directory=/var/log/journal or whatever the directory is for persistent journals | 15:01 |
| radiofree | seems to be stuck in a connecting/disconnecting loop with my wifi now :\ | 15:01 |
| khertan | faenil: -D is for directory, but load only last file so last boot can't get what cause shutdown of the phone | 15:01 |
| faenil | khertan, maybe -D + file? | 15:02 |
| khertan | faenil: not a directory | 15:02 |
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| radiofree | hmm actually just the store | 15:02 |
| khertan | :) | 15:02 |
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| faenil | khertan, why don't you just move the file in another dir :) | 15:03 |
| khertan | i tryed many pattern before whining | 15:03 |
| khertan | faenil: except that idea | 15:03 |
| khertan | :) | 15:03 |
| faenil | :) | 15:03 |
| khertan | good try but it have nothing to print | 15:04 |
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| khertan | look like that s not a valid log | 15:04 |
| faenil | maybe you copied wrong file? or maybe just part of the log? | 15:04 |
| khertan | even with persistent config | 15:04 |
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| khertan | 217963 6,8M -rw-r----- 1 root adm 6,8M 2014-01-13 12:14 system@0004efd82cb8c3be-6b849721186daa62.journal~ | 15:05 |
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| faenil | and are you reading that as root? | 15:05 |
| khertan | of course | 15:06 |
| khertan | i'm trying to understand that random shutdown i got on my device | 15:06 |
| faenil | I vaguely remember seeing the empty output when I did something wrong | 15:06 |
| faenil | but I can't remember what | 15:06 |
| faenil | yeah I guessed that :) | 15:06 |
| faenil | I have never had a single reboot/shutdown, I know you wouldn't want to hear that though :D | 15:07 |
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| khertan | faenil: yeah that happen often, without any apparent case, during a call, sleeping on the desk, sometime reboot, sometime shutdown and display charging logo (and there is no charger connected) | 15:11 |
| khertan | did u know what is /dev/twl4030_wdt | 15:11 |
| khertan | ? | 15:11 |
| faenil | nope | 15:11 |
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| faenil | watchdog maybe? | 15:12 |
| faenil | wd | 15:12 |
| khertan | arf | 15:12 |
| faenil | yeah it's watchdog | 15:12 |
| khertan | i remember seeing an error opening /dev/twl4030_wdt during a reboot | 15:13 |
| khertan | i think i log thing with a good old methid | 15:13 |
| khertan | journalctl -f > log.log | 15:13 |
| khertan | that s enough for today swith back to n9 and come back to home | 15:14 |
| khertan | faenil: thx for your help | 15:14 |
| faenil | khertan, never surrender! :D | 15:14 |
| faenil | just wait for someone else who knows why you're not able to read the persistent log at least .) | 15:15 |
| faenil | and I would try in #jollamobile, this is more of a SDK related channel | 15:15 |
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| faenil | khertan, you still there? | 15:20 |
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| euroelessar | is it legal (for harbour) to look for user's calls (other side's number, duration of call, etc) through telepathy api? | 15:46 |
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| radiofree | hmm Mitakuuluu has been "checking account" for some time now | 16:18 |
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| radiofree | ah, because i'm an idiot | 16:19 |
| ln- | it measures your iq and adds delay? | 16:20 |
| radiofree | something like that yes | 16:21 |
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| guaqua` | is there some faq on debugging upgrade problems available? | 16:29 |
| guaqua` | i'm trying to go from laadunjärvi to the newest one and the update starts, but it seems to never finish | 16:29 |
| guaqua` | i.e. the new one doesn't get installed | 16:30 |
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| radiofree | so far there's been a lot of user error on my part, but i'm pretty sure this contact syncing problem in mitakuuluu isn't my fault | 16:30 |
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| radiofree | is there any magic i need to do, it's always failing | 16:32 |
| radiofree | tried +44, 0044, no 44.... | 16:32 |
| radiofree | ah, bug | 16:36 |
| guaqua` | seems like running pkcon refresh on the command-line enabled the upgrade to go through | 16:37 |
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| guaqua` | interesting | 16:37 |
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| radiofree | phone is lovely so far, but lots of problems with wifi connections | 16:48 |
| Venemo | how do I ssh into the build machine? | 16:50 |
| hoelzro | Venemo: ssh -i ~/SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/engine/mersdk mersdk@localhost -p 2222 | 16:51 |
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| hoelzro | (assuming you installed the SDK to ~/SailfishOS) | 16:51 |
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| Venemo | no I didn't | 16:52 |
| Venemo | but thanks :) | 16:52 |
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| hoelzro | Venemo: if you're curious about development from the command line, I wrote up a quick README for my own project: https://github.com/hoelzro/harbour-sudoku/blob/master/README.md | 16:57 |
| Venemo | thank you hoelzro but that's not what I was trying to do :) | 16:58 |
| Venemo | lbt: ping | 16:58 |
| hoelzro | oh, ok | 16:59 |
| 92AAAMSQ5 | i'm trying to figure out if the phone is connected to wlan or cell network but qt systeminfo i'm using for that is not working as i thought it should, https://together.jolla.com/question/14429/how-to-find-out-if-phone-is-connected-to-wlan-or-cellular-network/ | 16:59 |
| Venemo | wow, if you give 3 virtual cores to the build machine it can compile at an almost acceptable speed | 16:59 |
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| juke_ | Venemo, how do i do that? | 17:00 |
| lbt | Venemo: pong | 17:02 |
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| Venemo | juke_: from virtualbox settings | 17:03 |
| Venemo | lbt: why does rpmbuild put a bunch of qml files into my build directory when nobody asked it to do so? | 17:03 |
| juke_ | which virtualbox is the one doing compilation? | 17:03 |
| Venemo | juke_: the Mer SDK | 17:03 |
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| juke_ | Venemo, thanks, i think i found it | 17:04 |
| lbt | Venemo: your rpmbuild is sentient? | 17:04 |
| lbt | wooo | 17:04 |
| lbt | we've been waiting for this day... | 17:04 |
| Venemo | lbt: it says Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found | 17:04 |
| Venemo | and lists a dozen or so QMLs | 17:05 |
| Venemo | whereas the QMLs are NOT specified to be installed anywhere | 17:05 |
| lbt | aww ... in that case it just ran make install and the default make probably installs them | 17:05 |
| Venemo | but why? the makefile is generated from the .pro by qmake, and the QMLs are not specified in INSTALLS | 17:06 |
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| * lbt doesn't do qmake very well | 17:07 | |
| lbt | but since the default one has no INSTALL at all I guess some magic happens | 17:07 |
| jpnurmi | it's all in sailfisapp.prf | 17:07 |
| lbt | CONFIG += sailfishapp probably | 17:07 |
| lbt | *sigh* ... and here was me thinking my baby rpmbuild was finally alive ... | 17:08 |
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| Venemo | man | 17:08 |
| Venemo | W T F | 17:08 |
| Venemo | srsly, sailfishapp messes it up | 17:08 |
| Venemo | ? | 17:08 |
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| Venemo | oh yes | 17:10 |
| Venemo | lbt: removed CONFIG+=sailfuckapp and now it works properly | 17:11 |
| lbt | Venemo: srsly ... it does what it says on the tin :) | 17:11 |
| Venemo | not sure who authored sailfishapp, but why would anyone with a brain in their head think that any of this is a good idea? | 17:11 |
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| lbt | Venemo: if you want me to spend any time helping you then please watch your tone | 17:11 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: I think you are to rough to sailfishapp author(s) | 17:12 |
| fk_lx | *too | 17:12 |
| lbt | https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/libsailfishapp | 17:12 |
| Venemo | sorry but this is not the first time the damn thing gets in my way. the entire SDK does things that are undocumented, unneeded and not obvious to debug, for no real reason | 17:12 |
| lbt | Venemo: how many doc patches have you pushed? | 17:13 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: hint: you can now improve that source are open | 17:13 |
| * lbt off to do some work ... l8r o/ | 17:13 | |
| fk_lx | lbt: I must honestly say that I've spotted some bugs in docs, and they weren't fixed | 17:13 |
| Venemo | lbt: if you point me to the place where this is supposed to be explained, I'll gladly help revise the docs for it | 17:14 |
| fk_lx | lbt: despite I've reported them long time ago on sailfish-devel mailing list | 17:14 |
| w00t | Venemo: quoting the documentation (https://sailfishos.org/develop-firstapp-code.html): "The CONFIG declaration also ensures the application binary and its data files are deployed to the proper locations both on the emulator and on devices" | 17:14 |
| w00t | and subsequently: "The qml directory contains files that should be deployed as a part of your application. In addition to QML files, audio, image, and JavaScript files that are used by the application should be placed in this directory or in a subdirectory in it. Basically, anything you put in the qml directory gets deployed when your application is installed in the emulator or on a device." | 17:14 |
| w00t | so saying that it isn't documented isn't really fair :) | 17:14 |
| fk_lx | w00t: +1 | 17:14 |
| Venemo | w00t: qml is not a data file, thus I would never suspect the first sentence to apply | 17:16 |
| Venemo | "The qml directory contains files that should be deployed as a part of your application" -> doesn't amke sense either. the files that SHOULD be deployed as part of my app do NOT go to the qml directory. | 17:16 |
| Venemo | so this was totally not clear for me | 17:17 |
| fk_lx | lbt, w00t: speaking of docs, just one example, I reported issue on this page long, long, long time ago, and it's not fixed | 17:17 |
| fk_lx | lbt, w00t: import com.jolla.components 1.0 | 17:17 |
| Venemo | w00t: I gladly help to reword that doc, though, if you are open to such an offer! | 17:18 |
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| fk_lx | w00t: this (https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-September/000755.html) went to /dev/null | 17:22 |
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| w00t | fk_lx: I took care of 1/2, 3 I presume is a problem with generation as the source docs are ok, I'll try remember to look back after the next update and see if it's still broken, 4.. well, not strictly speaking a problem depending on the case at hand - you should only import what you _need_, not just copy/paste the same imports everywhere | 17:29 |
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| fk_lx | w00t: of course, but even if sth was needed it once omitted and sometimes not | 17:31 |
| fk_lx | besides 4th wasn't the most important | 17:31 |
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| fk_lx | w00t: 1 is not fixed | 17:32 |
| w00t | fk_lx: it won't be until the documentation is updated again, probably in sync with a new SDK release | 17:32 |
| fk_lx | w00t: hint -> end of the mail, docs with community contributions | 17:34 |
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| Venemo_j | hey | 17:34 |
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| Venemo_j | sorry for my rudeness earlier, lbt & w00t | 17:35 |
| lbt | OK :) | 17:36 |
| Venemo_j | but it really feels bad when something starts doing things you don't expect | 17:36 |
| lbt | Venemo_j: I was debugging a fragment shader over the weekend ... I *know* how you feel | 17:37 |
| Venemo_j | I know it's not your fault and I should not have vented my frustration on you | 17:37 |
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| Venemo_j | but my offer still stands: I can help make the docs more clear | 17:37 |
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| John24 | Hey guys | 18:19 |
| John24 | Is athere an alternative to .toFixed() that would not round the numbers? | 18:20 |
| coderus | why? | 18:20 |
| John24 | I am trying to get a seekback going | 18:20 |
| John24 | and because it's gettting 0.6Hours it shows as 1 | 18:20 |
| coderus | i'm using parseFloat(value.toPrecision(2)) | 18:20 |
| John24 | as .tofixed rounds up | 18:20 |
| coderus | aha | 18:21 |
| John24 | I shall try the precision now | 18:21 |
| John24 | using to precision() gives me 0.4h | 18:22 |
| John24 | .toPrecision(1) | 18:23 |
| coderus | so? | 18:23 |
| John24 | I already have minutes bar | 18:23 |
| John24 | it looks like this now 0.4h 24m | 18:24 |
| John24 | but it should be 0h 24m | 18:24 |
| coderus | fix your agorithm | 18:24 |
| John24 | I was afraid you might say that | 18:24 |
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| coderus | you have seconds, right? | 18:25 |
| John24 | vlc xml gives me the lengh of the movie in frames as in 5688 frames | 18:25 |
| John24 | seconds | 18:26 |
| John24 | sorry I meant seconds | 18:26 |
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| coderus | var value = duration | 18:27 |
| coderus | var seconds = duration % 60 | 18:28 |
| coderus | var minutes = value / 60 | 18:28 |
| coderus | var hours = minutes / 60 | 18:28 |
| coderus | minutes = minutes % 60 | 18:28 |
| coderus | thats it | 18:28 |
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| John24 | won't I need to udate that all the time? in the seekbar I got : valueText: (value /60 / 60).toPrecision(1) + "h " + (value/60).toFixed() + "m " | 18:29 |
| FireFly | John24, coderus: why turn a value into a string and then back into a number? | 18:30 |
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| John24 | I need to learn better programing | 18:31 |
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| attah | How do i force/poll autocomplete in Qt Creator, anyone? (on a mac) | 18:35 |
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| coderus | John24: look: | 18:37 |
| coderus | function intToTime(value) { | 18:37 |
| coderus | var sizes = [ qsTr('n/a'), qsTr('S'), qsTr('M'), qsTr('H')] | 18:37 |
| coderus | var i = +Math.floor(Math.log(value) / Math.log(60)) | 18:37 |
| coderus | return (value / Math.pow(60, i)).toFixed( i ? 1 : 0 ) + ' ' + sizes[ isNaN( value ) ? 0 : i+1 ] | 18:37 |
| coderus | } | 18:37 |
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| Yaniel | please, pastebins exist for a reason | 18:39 |
| John24 | thank you coderus :) | 18:39 |
| coderus | sorry, lazy | 18:39 |
| John24 | your always a great help | 18:39 |
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| smokex | eh, only 5 lines | 18:43 |
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| coderus | smokex: what you mean? | 18:49 |
| smokex | the code paste wasn't that much. I wouldn't complain about it lol | 18:51 |
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| coderus | thp: https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/libsailfishapp/pull/1 | 19:01 |
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| attah | This is probably me just not knowing QT, but anyway.. I want to load an image (to QImage i guess) from an url, an then i want to pass that to my qml and display it, i.e. change contents of a placeholde image. | 19:16 |
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| attah | ( I want to avoid loading the same image from the server several times if the user browses back and forth between a few, that's my rationale for storing it in C++-land) | 19:17 |
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| jake9xx | attah: make that image as item, mark it loaded if the object is already there and before refreshing, check if it's loaded | 19:22 |
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| attah | jake9xx: i feel stupid.. but i barely got a word of what you said | 19:25 |
| attah | So i declare an item in my qml instead? | 19:25 |
| jake9xx | why not? you can load images with qml w/o probs | 19:25 |
| attah | so like onImageChanged.. i do myItem.what? | 19:27 |
| coderus | isnt image.cache: true not working for remote images? | 19:28 |
| * coderus Zzzz... | 19:28 | |
| attah | coderus: No clue, but worth exploring.. thanks! | 19:28 |
| attah | Okay.. so i guess that's good :) But how would i change the image properly? | 19:31 |
| attah | so i set source to http://this.that/lol.jpg and then http://this.that/rofl.jpg it just simply doesen't reload when i set it back to http://this.that/lol.jpg ? | 19:32 |
| attah | and all magic is taken care of for me? | 19:32 |
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| * attah is used to working on performance critcal c++ with no STL or GUIs to be found | 19:35 | |
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| Venemo_j | attah: that sounds AWESOME! | 19:37 |
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| attah | Venemo_j.. yup, some cool RT-OS (we don't do hard RT although we could), and superspecial HW.. I like it, but it's not for everyone | 19:39 |
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| attah | coderus: did i understand you correctly? | 19:47 |
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| attah | coderus: Note that this property is only valid for images read from the local filesystem. Images loaded via a network resource (e.g. HTTP) are always loaded asynchonously. | 19:58 |
| attah | FML | 19:58 |
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| stephg | attah you love it! | 20:01 |
| attah | no.. I'm slowly but steadily going insane | 20:01 |
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| smokex | attah: link this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaXgK5HRBjk | 20:02 |
| smokex | s/link/like | 20:03 |
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| attah | it's becoming more and more tempting to take that way out anyway | 20:04 |
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| suy | I've been reading the backlog, and you guys were talking about docs, and sending patches, but... To where? Where is the repo with the docs? | 20:09 |
| suy | I mean for the components, or the overviews, etc. | 20:09 |
| tanghus_ | How can I keep a Timer running even when application is inactive? It just slows down until it eventually stops. | 20:10 |
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| jake9xx | whoot? I've got timers running on my apps when they are on background | 20:12 |
| tanghus_ | jake9xx: yeah, I have no idea what is going on... | 20:13 |
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| jake9xx | tanghus_: normal qml timer ? | 20:14 |
| tanghus_ | jake9xx: yub | 20:15 |
| jake9xx | wanna share some source? | 20:15 |
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| tanghus_ | https://github.com/tanghus/kitchen-timer-qml/blob/master/qml/pages/TimerPage.qml#L65 | 20:16 |
| jake9xx | uhmm.. what is the purpose there with the seconds tuning? | 20:17 |
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| attah | why isn't QHttp availabe? :S shouldn't it just be in QtNetwork? | 20:18 |
| tanghus_ | jake9xx: the setSeconds call? A leftover I forgot to remove :P | 20:19 |
| jake9xx | tanghus_: yeah, looks like it :) | 20:19 |
| jake9xx | tanghus_: http://pastie.org/8630523 that's one timer I've got in my apps | 20:19 |
| jake9xx | works a-ok | 20:20 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: how does it react to locking the screen ? | 20:20 |
| tanghus_ | jake9xx: I'll do some poor mans debugging ;) | 20:20 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: does it still keep going ? | 20:20 |
| suy | attah: because qhttp is qt 4.x only | 20:21 |
| suy | use qnetworkaccessmanager | 20:21 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: yes , but that app does not respect the locking in that way | 20:21 |
| M4rtinK | I'll need reliable timers eventually in modRana (turn-by-turn navigation, track logging, etc.) | 20:22 |
| attah | suy: i was just finding out.. thanks! searching the doc is a hassle | 20:22 |
| attah | ok.. looking at that now | 20:22 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: those are reliable, but taking that app into question, you might wanna look at the mce sleep prevention in together.jolla.com | 20:22 |
| suy | attah: not with qt creator... the locator is excellent for that | 20:22 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: sure, you should stop UI only timers, but are needed for other stuff :) | 20:22 |
| suy | is my main use for it, I still write the code in vim | 20:22 |
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| attah | suy: what is this locator you speak of? :) | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: good point, that might also be needed | 20:23 |
| attah | hmm, cool.. i'll try that! | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | vim \o/ | 20:23 |
| suy | attah: ctrl+k, then type one letter for the class of stuff you want (e.g. "." for a member of the class, "?" for the help), then the thing | 20:24 |
| attah | :) | 20:25 |
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| jake9xx | M4rtinK: pkcon install vim :D real live coding | 20:26 |
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| M4rtinK | jake9xx: well, I'm quite close to live coding already :) | 20:27 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: I have a script that rsyncs the code from my PC and runs it :) | 20:27 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: and as it is all Python & QML, I don't have to compile anything | 20:28 |
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| jake9xx | M4rtinK: we experimented with something like that - so that qtc would have a qfilewatcher and each time you save a non-compilable file -> rsync | 20:28 |
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| jake9xx | the only way professionally to use windows pc.. is with a mobaXterm or Cygwin | 20:30 |
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| jake9xx | or go on the 'all IDE' route - and grow beard while waiting for the ui sometimes | 20:30 |
| Nicd- | or just ditch windows entirely | 20:31 |
| jake9xx | Nicd-: once there is fully working linux setup for this Asus UX32VD then yes | 20:31 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: yeah, should be easy to do with inotify | 20:31 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: but still rather limited by the need to relaunch the whole context | 20:32 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: but anything more would be probably a bit harder...like NP-hard :) | 20:33 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: hmm.. if it's just the ui thread that gets disabled, run your own engine | 20:33 |
| jake9xx | and keep timers etc there | 20:33 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that might be doable | 20:34 |
| M4rtinK | if the UI is really simple | 20:34 |
| jani_ | has anyone thought about if there would be any benefit to node.js & tools on sailfish/jolla? wondering would there be any benefit for having those for native app development.. | 20:34 |
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| M4rtinK | or take memory snapshots each time a QML file is loaded and rollback just before the loading once the given file is changed | 20:35 |
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| M4rtinK | ok, I think we are getting a bit offtopic :) | 20:35 |
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| M4rtinK | So what do you think about: https://together.jolla.com/question/14555/suggestion-xmppjabber-muc-support/ ? :) | 20:49 |
| khertan | M4rtinK, that s adding feature isn't really the priority :) | 20:51 |
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| special | M4rtinK: my reply on https://together.jolla.com/question/1668/facebook-group-chat/ touches on that | 20:51 |
| khertan | M4rtinK, basic things are still working | 20:51 |
| khertan | still not working | 20:51 |
| khertan | (by basic i didn't mean simple ...) | 20:52 |
| M4rtinK | khertan: sure, but still we should be able to track even not so serious issues like this | 20:52 |
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| special | it's useful information when prioritizing features | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | khertan: see /msg ? | 20:53 |
| khertan | M4rtinK, indeed ... i didn't say that we should not : you ask what we think about ... :) | 20:53 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, oh ... no | 20:53 |
| khertan | :) | 20:53 |
| khertan | thx | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | also there are some communities that use Jabber MUC quite heavily from what I've heard | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | khertan: you have a point :) | 20:54 |
| attah | jaay.. i think i made a QNetworkRequest.. and quite possibly loaded an image from it... but how would i display it now? | 20:54 |
| M4rtinK | stuff it to an image provider | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | attah: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qquickimageprovider.html | 20:55 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, this is how I load map tiles - they are downloaded and cached in local storage by the backend, so each tile is downloaded from the Internet only once | 20:56 |
| jani | http://pastebin.com/3wgCku3V w00t - that wasnt so hard. | 20:56 |
| attah | M4rtinK: Thanks.. but i thing some of the code is missing | 20:56 |
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| attah | aaargh... that's so backwards for preloading images over http | 21:09 |
| attah | future me will have to deal with that | 21:09 |
| special | attah: are you aware that you can load images directly from the network in QML? | 21:10 |
| special | Image { source: "http://..." } | 21:10 |
| M4rtinK | well, if you use the http URL directly in QML, it will fetch it and use it from the QtQuick image cache | 21:10 |
| M4rtinK | but just for the one session or until it flushes the cache | 21:11 |
| attah | special: yes.. but they don't get cache'd.. and i'd like to not abuse archive.org more than necessary | 21:11 |
| special | ah | 21:11 |
| attah | f*ck me for being a kind person | 21:12 |
| attah | M4rtinK: what's the scope of this session you talk about? | 21:13 |
| attah | This was in the QML doc for image: Images loaded via a network resource (e.g. HTTP) are always loaded asynchonously. | 21:15 |
| M4rtinK | attah: when you do: Image { source: "http://foo.bar/baz.jpg" } | 21:16 |
| attah | (conserning cache property) | 21:16 |
| M4rtinK | attah: will load it from "http://foo.bar/baz.jpg" only ones | 21:16 |
| M4rtinK | attah: every other Image with source set to "http://foo.bar/baz.jpg" will get it from local image cache automatically | 21:17 |
| attah | M4rtinK: That sounds awesome! And now i realize that I have misread the doc on that regard.. | 21:18 |
| M4rtinK | attah: but 1) the cache is flushed when application exits, so it will refetch it on the next start | 21:18 |
| M4rtinK | attah: 2) the cache has limited capacity so it might get replaced by new data and get refetched once an image with "http://foo.bar/baz.jpg" shows again, even if it was already cached once | 21:18 |
| special | 3) that cache is stupid :< | 21:19 |
| M4rtinK | attah: 3) the image cache doesn't seem to be configurable (size, persistence, etc.) | 21:19 |
| attah | (1) Is fine by me.. hopefully the user selected to apply the downloaded pic (doing a cover art fixer/finder app) | 21:19 |
| M4rtinK | special: could be also worded like this :) | 21:19 |
| attah | 2 & 3 sounds more worrying | 21:20 |
| M4rtinK | still quite nice for working with local images | 21:20 |
| M4rtinK | but one might need to work around it for remote images | 21:21 |
| attah | I'll just have to get a larger music collection and wireshark it to see if it behaves | 21:21 |
| attah | it should hopefully be able to cache quite a few 250px images.. | 21:23 |
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| mtfk | hi, I would like to try run sailfishOs on different arm base device, where I can find some relevent information about that, as on the main page/wiki there is no information about that? | 22:24 |
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| tbr | mtfk: right now the only way is to make mer/nemo run on the device first | 22:28 |
| tbr | mtfk: but supposedly there is a new approach coming soon where you'll be able to reuse a CM10.1+ install as the android base system | 22:29 |
| mtfk | I am not using android at all, so for me deploying just linux distro is ok. | 22:30 |
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| mtfk | but after deploying nemo how I will get "SailfishOS" on top of that? | 22:31 |
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| mtfk | like UI and all environment? | 22:31 |
| Yaniel | not | 22:31 |
| tbr | mtfk: this has been blogged about | 22:31 |
| mtfk | tbr: could you give some links? or point who and where? | 22:32 |
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| tbr | I think vgrade has blogged about it and also the sailfish-on-n9 blog posts might help | 22:32 |
| mtfk | thanks I will check that | 22:33 |
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| thp | coderus: thx, will review in the next days | 22:46 |
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| smokex | mtfk: http://n9.araya.su/images/mic_images/sailfish-1.0.2.5/vgrade/r5.1/ use this instead of the nemo tar | 22:52 |
| smokex | for n9/50 devices at least | 22:53 |
| smokex | I'm not sure if anyone has gotten an android device running yet.. besides jolla | 22:53 |
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| mtfk | I am trying to do it on Cotton Candy: fxitech.com | 23:38 |
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