Monday, 2014-01-13

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wellu_all: Any idea what kind of QA process is run for Android apps in Jolla Store? As we know there isn't any kind of QA process in e.g Google Play and what I've seen majority of the so-called free apps on Android are crap.06:38
wellu_I'm worried that Jolla Store gets its share of this crap too. Like having n^x calculators that call home, show adds and steal user data.06:39
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smokexwellu_: The Sailfish QA process is fairly stringent. They check included libraries and only allow you to use some for example.08:06
ln-allow using only certain Android libraries?08:07
smokexI'm farly certain that someone test runs every app before it is added to the store repo08:07
smokexI'm talking about jolla harbor08:07
ln-so am i, so was wellu_08:07
_Razor_screen -Dr08:10
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Nicd-tmux att08:11
wellu_smokex: there are already some non-working Android apps in Harbour.08:13 crashing, not getting GPS fix etc.08:13
smokexmight be a good idea to talk to the sailfish guys then08:14
jake9xxkontio: ^08:14
smokexbut I'm pretty sure they aren't awake at 6:13pm brisbane, australia time08:14
smokexsince most of them are in finland08:14
tbrpeople should be waking up now08:15
suosaaskiit's 10:15 here in Finland.08:15
tbrit's 1015 local08:15
smokexyou might want to /join #jollamobile too if you haven't already08:15
smokexand email developer-care (at) jolla.com08:20
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ln-let's say someone submits an Android app to the store, and later creates a native sailfish app with the sama name. can it be submitted as an update to the Android one?08:25
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claucurrently pkcon can be used by user nemo to install new packages. this also means any app running under user name can do it (for instance Warehouse, from openrepos).08:54
clauthis looks like a huge security risk.08:54
clauam I missing something?08:54
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wellu_clau: what about running 'devel-su'09:32
wellu_clau: what about running 'devel-su' from main.cpp ?09:32
clauwhat about it?09:32
claudoesn't it ask for password?09:32
wellu_ah, you're right09:32
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wellu_"Please enter you password to continue" dialog first :)09:33
clauessentially a malicious app can do whatever it pleases :(09:34
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wellu_clau: yes, so don't worry about installing packages. It is the least of the problems.09:36
clau /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/75-store-client-pkgkit-issues-workaround.pkla09:36
clauwell, that's the main source of my worries09:36
wellu_"Law #1: If a bad guy can persuade you to run his program on your computer, it's not your computer anymore"09:37
clauyeah, but currently this looks like win95, security wise09:37
clauhow do I know that a closed source app from store doesn't do some bad stuff?09:37
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wellu_clau: You don't. No one knows.09:38
rcgwellu_, i think what clau means is that a malicious app can install any rpm from anywhere. by installing an rpm, usually, some scripts, such as postinst etc. are run as root. which means that, essentially, by allowing arbitrary packages being installed you could gain root09:38
wellu_Except the author of course.09:38
clauthat's why there's so much security around09:38
clauprivilege separation, stuff like that09:38
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clauI was already pissed that all apps run under the same user, and essentially a flashlight app can read my emails from home dir.09:38
rcgbut i haven't looked into the details of pkcon and ssu so i dunno if they allow such things easily09:39
rcglike adding arbitrary repos etc.09:39
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claurcg, a warehouse bug just removed the phone app from someone's phone09:39
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rcgor downloading and installing apps from arbitrary sources09:39
rcgclau, yay xD09:39
clauso at the least there's a risk of DoS09:39
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wellu_It all boils down to this. Always. "Law #1: If a bad guy can persuade you to run his program on your computer, it's not your computer anymore"09:40
clauno, it doesn't.09:40
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claucurrently a bug in the browser can possibly allow someone to run code on the phone.09:40
clauand basically the attacker already has root, by means of pkcon.09:40
wellu_that might be true *too*09:41
clauthis is not cool in 2014, really.09:41
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rcgbut also think about something like that in a postinst script or something similar: passwd foo; enable ssh (changed config if necessary) ; send jolla-ip to bad-guy; qed09:41
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rcgjust to give pretty simple example09:42
claucorrect me if I am wrong, but someone could provide an "upgrade" for an existing package, that installed malicious bins09:42
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clauso, someone could even repackage jolla apps09:42
rcgwell, that would require the attacker to add a repo, wouldn't it?09:42
claunot sure09:43
rcgor redirect repo access to his own site09:43
clauyou can install rpms from local disk, right?09:43
rcgsure, yes09:43
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clauare the installed packages bound to a specific source?09:43
rcgas said, i didn't look that much into the details of pkcon and ssu09:43
clauin any case, regardless of the details if a possible attack... this is just very very bad.09:43
rcgbut i think you mention valid points09:44
clauI am starting to miss aegis :(09:44
rcgone thing you might look into is if it is required for certain packages to be signed09:44
rcgand if it is or at least can be prohibited to install packages that aren't properly signed09:45
claueven if it is so, that won't stop installing new packages09:45
rcgiirc when messing with zypper you could enable something like a gpg check09:45
clauand really, how many users ever list all the packages and checks them?09:45
rcgwell, having a requirement that packages need to be signed would require an attacker to gain access to the signing key/certificate/whatever09:46
clauyou mean signed by repo source?09:46
rcgi don't know how it is implemented09:46
Stskeepsguys, we have positions open for security engineer09:46
clauit could be done, I suppose, and it would increase security09:46
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rcgwhat i mean is that on the device there would be pre-installed keys that are regarded as trusted and those are used to verify the integrity of packages to be installed09:47
rcgStskeeps, ;D09:47
rcgso, e.g., by adding something to harbour, the rpm would then be signed by the jolla-trusted certificate or something09:47
claurcg, I got it. and the device can remain as open if there's a way to manually install new keys, but just as root.09:48
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rcgclau, something like that09:48
rcgclau, but as you mention, right now, i am not sure about the current state09:48
koplahi! how to detect power key (button) event? qmkeys.h? or ?09:48
rcgso far, i could easily install all rpms i downloaded simply via the file browser app09:48
clauI wonder if someone can pursuade the browser to do it.09:49
suyStskeeps: jolla page says to send CV before December 31, so now, you are covered :-P  (/me hides)09:50
clauStskeeps, good to know :)09:50
rcgclau, iirc there are similar discussions on and iirc i read something about some setting like "allow installation from non-trusted sources" or so being added with an update09:52
rcgessentially, pretty much similar to what was possible with the n909:52
clauyep, I'll search for it and vote it up.09:52
rcgbut good to know that people are concerned about security :D09:53
rcgyou know, the "good guys" ;)09:53
clauStskeeps, I see you hire people on many fronts.09:55
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hardcodesanyone here that knows about merssh?09:57
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suyhardcodes: probably a lot. Make the real question, and somebody can answer then :)09:59
hardcodesOK, I want to pass the project dir on deployment with -p09:59
hardcodessomehow it gets lost until it reaches the mb2 script09:59
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hardcodesand every proxy script in .config/SailfishAlpha3/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-i486-x86 uses merssh10:00
hardcodesso what does merssh do and does it set a fixed directory when calling mb2?10:01
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radiofreejolla arrives today, how exciting :D10:02
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claucongrats :)10:04
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hardcodesAWAY business10:28
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testyfallenhello :)10:47
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coderushello hello :)11:19
smokexhey coderus :)11:19
smokexon your N9, is data transfer over 3G disabled with no way to enable it?11:20
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raijinmy data transfer works just fine smokex11:48
raijinbelay that11:48
coderussmokex: its working11:49
coderussmokex: you need to long tap on it and enter access point credentials11:50
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smokexthanks coderus11:58
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ponkycoderus: any eta on mitakuuluu background daemon :)? or is it even possible yet12:02
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khertanHello !12:33
khertanStskeeps, ping12:33
tbrkhertan: on a plane to HEL12:34
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ericcctbr  hi  can you   add  some   color  to the log of page
tbrericcc: need to find my ssh key for that machine. last time I looked for it, I couldn't find it.12:39
khertantbr, oh thx12:40
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khertantbr, :)12:40
khertanhe ask me to ping him tomorrow about the suddent reset12:40
khertani got on my jolla12:40
khertanbut didn't join it12:40
ericcctbr   3q12:41
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ericcctbr    how  can  i   instlll  rpm  to  my sdk12:54
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smokexericcc: zypper13:00
ericccsmokex: how  can  i  do  then13:01
tbrin your SDK you should use the management interface13:03
smokexericcc the log is a plain text file... can't add color13:04
tbrsmokex: log2html can do that13:04
tbrsmokex: I just need to log on to the virtual machine and add it to the cron-cjobs13:04
smokexah I see.. convert it to html13:05
ericccsmokex:   like  this
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ericccon  twitter  i   just  see  a  sumsung phone run  the nemo os ,maybe  mer os13:14
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thpcoderus: in case you want to try adding i18n support to it13:25
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coderusponky: what you mean?13:30
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coderusthp: okay13:40
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coderusbtw, maybe cover all elements with QScoppedPointer by default?13:41
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suyEven better, not returning new'ed pointers... Is not the standard practice in all the apps I've seen (at least not for QQuickView, and certainly not for QApplication). Just local variables in main().13:47
ericcctbr:   nice job13:47
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euroelessarthp: libsailfishapp is opensourced?13:49
thpeuroelessar: yes13:49
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suyOh, seems the culprit for the pointers is libmdeclarativecache... :-/13:52
coderussuy: what wrong with MDeclarativeCache?13:54
suycoderus: returns a pointer to QApplication, and you have to delete it yourself, or use a QScopedPointer13:55
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suyI haven't seen any other app that uses such pattern. I can live with it, I suppose, but makes the application strange if you want to have a main() shared for sailfish and other platforms.13:56
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fk_lxseems that Harbour rpm validator will be avaliable for developers soon:
suyYep. Good news today :)13:57
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fk_lxand what we see from the stuff is that Jolla has it's private repos on bitbucket14:00
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thpsuy: just write a main() for every platform, once you go to more exotic platforms, you won't be able to fit everything into main(), anyway14:02
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thp(think: android/jni or even windows with WinMain or emscripten)14:03
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coderusthp: making default translation picker based on default locale in SailfishApp::main14:06
coderusthp: and make SailfishApp::installTranslator(locale) ?14:06
thpcoderus: yeah, possibly also having it as utility method so users with a custom main() can use it14:06
thpyeah sounds good14:07
euroelessarcoderus: where would you store QTranslator? would you just make it QApplication's child?14:09
coderuseuroelessar: ::installTranslator would return pointer to QTranslator, you can save it if you need to change translations dynamically14:11
euroelessarcoderus: may be it should be named as loadTranslator?14:12
coderusof course14:12
euroelessaras install means installing it to QApplication14:12
fk_lxsounds better14:12
coderuseuroelessar: QGuiApplication::instance() is there14:12
coderusand it will install it, yes14:13
coderuseuroelessar: hm, seems resonable. no need for ::installTranslator, just ::loadTranslation is enough14:15
coderusmain users will have automatically loaded translations14:16
coderuspower users wiill have QTranslator and can should install it manually to app14:16
euroelessarmake it's signature loadTranslation(const QLocale &locale = QLocale()), so default option will be the system one14:21
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coderusSAILFISHAPP_EXPORT QTranslator *loadTranslation(QLocale locale = QLocale::system());14:22
euroelessaryes, that's nice, but don't forget const reference :)14:23
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euroelessarcoderus: and why QLocale::system() but not QLocale()?14:24
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dirkvlwe are having troubles with accessing the interrupt line14:29
dirkvlfrom the software side14:30
coderuseuroelessar: for compability :)14:30
coderusdirkvl: interrupt line? what it means?14:30
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dirkvlinterrupt line from the i2c bus14:30
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radiofreeyay jolla arrived!14:30
radiofreehowever, can't update it14:31
radiofreejust seems to "Checking" for ages14:31
Yanielit takes a long time14:31
Yanielor did in the first version14:31
roboromy jolla arrived and the update went through okay14:31
roborotook a while14:31
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roborostill getting used to things :D14:31
dirkvlcoderus: seems to be no support for interrupt in sdk14:32
sledgesroboro: congrats \o/14:32
radiofreeroboro: same14:33
roborothanks guys14:33
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radiofreewas an n9 user, then i broke it, so now need to un-learn 6 months of using android ;)14:33
khertanhow can i read old journalctl log when persistent mode is activated ?14:33
roborobeen working on a tvheadend app... but still struggling with playing video... will be nice to test on an actual phone now14:33
sledgeswill be easy radiofree, it's the reverse process that seems painful (still swiping my android phones :))14:34
radiofreeyes that was me for about 5 of the 6 months with my s3 ;)14:34
* khertan get back to n914:34
* khertan try it to use it again as main phone ... without result14:35
dirkvlcoderus: see
khertanjournalctl: unrecognized option '--since=yesterday'14:38
radiofreehmm still "Checking..."14:38
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faenilkhertan,  journalctl </var/log/journalfile>14:53
radiofreehmm how big is the system update?14:53
radiofreefile size wise14:54
radiofree1.0.0.5 to... whatever the current one is14:54
radiofreedid it over my data connection by accident14:54
valdur55releaste  to relase upgrades are big ones.... it reinstall bunch of packages...14:55
valdur55all libs must reinstalled etc....14:56
valdur55damn... mosts of jolla apps have reinstalled.14:56
khertanfaenil: thx but that s the first thing i tryed :) Failed to add match 'system@0004efdab884b558-6e55f2dccdffd29a.journal~': Invalid argument14:56
radiofreevaldur55: ahh thanks14:56
radiofreewell there goes my data ;P14:56
Yaniel1.0.0.5 to or so was 300MB iirc14:56
valdur55so. big :)14:57
Yanieland I did it over 3G as well :D14:57
Yanielsince I couldn't get it to connect to my wlan14:57
valdur55updates on same relase are typically smaller ones.14:57
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radiofreeYaniel: ditto about the wlan14:58
radiofreeis that fixed in the new update?14:58
Yanielyeah, now it works14:58
Yanielstill has problems if you input a wrong password though14:58
khertanfaenil: i'm not familiar with systemd and now man about journalctl and doc available on web look like didn't apply to jolla14:58
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faenilkhertan, I used that before on Jolla, and I think it was just journalctl <file>14:59
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faenilso either the journal got corrupted with the shutdown, or I'm misremembering :)14:59
faenilkhertan, mmm now that I think about it, maybe there was --d option involved15:00
valdur55btw. if wifi doesn't work and mobile data is expencive then share your computer's connection with usb cable15:00
faenilkhertan, yeah try "journalctl --directory=/var/log/journal or whatever the directory is for persistent journals15:01
radiofreeseems to be stuck in a connecting/disconnecting loop with my wifi now :\15:01
khertanfaenil: -D is for directory, but load only last file so last boot can't get what cause shutdown of the phone15:01
faenilkhertan, maybe -D + file?15:02
khertanfaenil: not a directory15:02
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radiofreehmm actually just the store15:02
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faenilkhertan, why don't you just move the file in another dir :)15:03
khertani tryed many pattern before whining15:03
khertanfaenil: except that idea15:03
khertangood try but it have nothing to print15:04
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khertanlook like that s not a valid log15:04
faenilmaybe you copied wrong file? or maybe just part of the log?15:04
khertaneven with persistent config15:04
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khertan217963 6,8M -rw-r----- 1 root adm 6,8M 2014-01-13 12:14 system@0004efd82cb8c3be-6b849721186daa62.journal~15:05
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faeniland are you reading that as root?15:05
khertanof course15:06
khertani'm trying to understand that random shutdown i got on my device15:06
faenilI vaguely remember seeing the empty output when I did something wrong15:06
faenilbut I can't remember what15:06
faenilyeah I guessed that :)15:06
faenilI have never had a single reboot/shutdown, I know you wouldn't want to hear that though :D15:07
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khertanfaenil: yeah that happen often, without any apparent case, during a call, sleeping on the desk, sometime reboot, sometime shutdown and display charging logo (and there is no charger connected)15:11
khertandid u know what is /dev/twl4030_wdt15:11
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faenilwatchdog maybe?15:12
faenilyeah it's watchdog15:12
khertani remember seeing an error opening /dev/twl4030_wdt during a reboot15:13
khertani think i log thing with a good old methid15:13
khertanjournalctl -f > log.log15:13
khertanthat s enough for today swith back to n9 and come back to home15:14
khertanfaenil: thx for your help15:14
faenilkhertan, never surrender! :D15:14
faeniljust wait for someone else who knows why you're not able to read the persistent log at least .)15:15
faeniland I would try in #jollamobile, this is more of a SDK related channel15:15
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faenilkhertan, you still there?15:20
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euroelessaris it legal (for harbour) to look for user's calls (other side's number, duration of call, etc) through telepathy api?15:46
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radiofreehmm Mitakuuluu has been "checking account" for some time now16:18
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radiofreeah, because i'm an idiot16:19
ln-it measures your iq and adds delay?16:20
radiofreesomething like that yes16:21
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guaqua`is there some faq on debugging upgrade problems available?16:29
guaqua`i'm trying to go from laadunjärvi to the newest one and the update starts, but it seems to never finish16:29
guaqua`i.e. the new one doesn't get installed16:30
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radiofreeso far there's been a lot of user error on my part, but i'm pretty sure this contact syncing problem in mitakuuluu isn't my fault16:30
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radiofreeis there any magic i need to do, it's always failing16:32
radiofreetried +44, 0044, no 44....16:32
radiofreeah, bug16:36
guaqua`seems like running pkcon refresh on the command-line enabled the upgrade to go through16:37
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radiofreephone is lovely so far, but lots of problems with wifi connections16:48
Venemohow do I ssh into the build machine?16:50
hoelzroVenemo: ssh -i ~/SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/engine/mersdk mersdk@localhost -p 222216:51
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hoelzro(assuming you installed the SDK to ~/SailfishOS)16:51
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Venemono I didn't16:52
Venemobut thanks :)16:52
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hoelzroVenemo: if you're curious about development from the command line, I wrote up a quick README for my own project:
Venemothank you hoelzro but that's not what I was trying to do :)16:58
Venemolbt: ping16:58
hoelzrooh, ok16:59
92AAAMSQ5i'm trying to figure out if the phone is connected to wlan or cell network but qt systeminfo i'm using for that is not working as i thought it should,
Venemowow, if you give 3 virtual cores to the build machine it can compile at an almost acceptable speed16:59
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juke_Venemo, how do i do that?17:00
lbtVenemo: pong17:02
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Venemojuke_: from virtualbox settings17:03
Venemolbt: why does rpmbuild put a bunch of qml files into my build directory when nobody asked it to do so?17:03
juke_which virtualbox is the one doing compilation?17:03
Venemojuke_: the Mer SDK17:03
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juke_Venemo, thanks, i think i found it17:04
lbtVenemo: your rpmbuild is sentient?17:04
lbtwe've been waiting for this day...17:04
Venemolbt: it says Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found17:04
Venemoand lists a dozen or so QMLs17:05
Venemowhereas the QMLs are NOT specified to be installed anywhere17:05
lbtaww ... in that case it just ran make install and the default make probably installs them17:05
Venemobut why? the makefile is generated from the .pro by qmake, and the QMLs are not specified in INSTALLS17:06
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* lbt doesn't do qmake very well17:07
lbtbut since the default one has no INSTALL at all I guess some magic happens17:07
jpnurmiit's all in sailfisapp.prf17:07
lbtCONFIG += sailfishapp probably17:07
lbt*sigh* ... and here was me thinking my baby rpmbuild was finally alive ...17:08
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VenemoW T F17:08
Venemosrsly, sailfishapp messes it up17:08
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Venemooh yes17:10
Venemolbt: removed CONFIG+=sailfuckapp and now it works properly17:11
lbtVenemo: srsly ... it does what it says on the tin :)17:11
Venemonot sure who authored sailfishapp, but why would anyone with a brain in their head think that any of this is a good idea?17:11
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lbtVenemo: if you want me to spend any time helping you then please watch your tone17:11
fk_lxVenemo: I think you are to rough to sailfishapp author(s)17:12
Venemosorry but this is not the first time the damn thing gets in my way. the entire SDK does things that are undocumented, unneeded and not obvious to debug, for no real reason17:12
lbtVenemo: how many doc patches have you pushed?17:13
fk_lxVenemo: hint: you can now improve that source are open17:13
* lbt off to do some work ... l8r o/17:13
fk_lxlbt: I must honestly say that I've spotted some bugs in docs, and they weren't fixed17:13
Venemolbt: if you point me to the place where this is supposed to be explained, I'll gladly help revise the docs for it17:14
fk_lxlbt: despite I've reported them long time ago on sailfish-devel mailing list17:14
w00tVenemo: quoting the documentation ( "The CONFIG declaration also ensures the application binary and its data files are deployed to the proper locations both on the emulator and on devices"17:14
w00tand subsequently: "The qml directory contains files that should be deployed as a part of your application. In addition to QML files, audio, image, and JavaScript files that are used by the application should be placed in this directory or in a subdirectory in it. Basically, anything you put in the qml directory gets deployed when your application is installed in the emulator or on a device."17:14
w00tso saying that it isn't documented isn't really fair :)17:14
fk_lxw00t: +117:14
Venemow00t: qml is not a data file, thus I would never suspect the first sentence to apply17:16
Venemo"The qml directory contains files that should be deployed as a part of your application" -> doesn't amke sense either. the files that SHOULD be deployed as part of my app do NOT go to the qml directory.17:16
Venemoso this was totally not clear for me17:17
fk_lxlbt, w00t: speaking of docs, just one example, I reported issue on this page long, long, long time ago, and it's not fixed17:17
fk_lxlbt, w00t: import com.jolla.components 1.017:17
Venemow00t: I gladly help to reword that doc, though, if you are open to such an offer!17:18
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fk_lxw00t: this ( went to /dev/null17:22
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w00tfk_lx: I took care of 1/2, 3 I presume is a problem with generation as the source docs are ok, I'll try remember to look back after the next update and see if it's still broken, 4.. well, not strictly speaking a problem depending on the case at hand - you should only import what you _need_, not just copy/paste the same imports everywhere17:29
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fk_lxw00t: of course, but even if sth was needed it once omitted and sometimes not17:31
fk_lxbesides 4th wasn't the most important17:31
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fk_lxw00t: 1 is not fixed17:32
w00tfk_lx: it won't be until the documentation is updated again, probably in sync with a new SDK release17:32
fk_lxw00t: hint -> end of the mail, docs with community contributions17:34
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Venemo_jsorry for my rudeness earlier, lbt & w00t17:35
lbtOK :)17:36
Venemo_jbut it really feels bad when something starts doing things you don't expect17:36
lbtVenemo_j: I was debugging a fragment shader over the weekend ... I *know* how you feel17:37
Venemo_jI know it's not your fault and I should not have vented my frustration on you17:37
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Venemo_jbut my offer still stands: I can help make the docs more clear17:37
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John24Hey guys18:19
John24Is athere an alternative to .toFixed() that would not round the numbers?18:20
John24I am trying to get a seekback going18:20
John24and because it's gettting 0.6Hours it shows as 118:20
coderusi'm using parseFloat(value.toPrecision(2))18:20
John24as .tofixed rounds up18:20
John24I shall try the precision now18:21
John24using to precision() gives me 0.4h18:22
John24I already have minutes bar18:23
John24it looks like this now 0.4h 24m18:24
John24but it should be 0h 24m18:24
coderusfix your agorithm18:24
John24I was afraid you might say that18:24
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coderusyou have seconds, right?18:25
John24vlc xml gives me the lengh of the movie in frames as in 5688 frames18:25
John24sorry I meant seconds18:26
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coderusvar value = duration18:27
coderusvar seconds = duration % 6018:28
coderusvar minutes = value / 6018:28
coderusvar hours = minutes / 6018:28
coderusminutes = minutes % 6018:28
coderusthats it18:28
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John24won't I need to udate that all the time? in the seekbar I got :  valueText: (value /60 / 60).toPrecision(1) + "h " + (value/60).toFixed() + "m "18:29
FireFlyJohn24, coderus: why turn a value into a string and then back into a number?18:30
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John24I need to learn better programing18:31
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attahHow do i force/poll autocomplete in Qt Creator, anyone? (on a mac)18:35
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coderusJohn24: look:18:37
coderus    function intToTime(value) {18:37
coderus        var sizes = [ qsTr('n/a'), qsTr('S'), qsTr('M'), qsTr('H')]18:37
coderus        var i = +Math.floor(Math.log(value) / Math.log(60))18:37
coderus        return  (value / Math.pow(60, i)).toFixed( i ? 1 : 0 ) + ' ' + sizes[ isNaN( value ) ? 0 : i+1 ]18:37
coderus    }18:37
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Yanielplease, pastebins exist for a reason18:39
John24thank you coderus :)18:39
coderussorry, lazy18:39
John24your always a great help18:39
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smokexeh, only 5 lines18:43
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coderussmokex: what you mean?18:49
smokexthe code paste wasn't that much. I wouldn't complain about it lol18:51
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attahThis is probably me just not knowing QT, but anyway.. I want to load an image (to QImage i guess) from an url, an then i want to pass that to my qml and display it, i.e. change contents of a placeholde image.19:16
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attah( I want to avoid loading the same image from the server several times if the user browses back and forth between a few, that's my rationale for storing it in C++-land)19:17
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jake9xxattah: make that image as item, mark it loaded if the object is already there and before refreshing, check if it's loaded19:22
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attahjake9xx: i feel stupid.. but i barely got a word of what you said19:25
attahSo i declare an item in my qml instead?19:25
jake9xxwhy not? you can load images with qml w/o probs19:25
attahso like onImageChanged.. i do myItem.what?19:27
coderusisnt image.cache: true not working for remote images?19:28
* coderus Zzzz...19:28
attahcoderus: No clue, but worth exploring.. thanks!19:28
attahOkay.. so i guess that's good :) But how would i change the image properly?19:31
attahso i set source to http://this.that/lol.jpg and then http://this.that/rofl.jpg it just simply doesen't reload when i set it back to http://this.that/lol.jpg ?19:32
attahand all magic is taken care of for me?19:32
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* attah is used to working on performance critcal c++ with no STL or GUIs to be found19:35
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Venemo_jattah: that sounds AWESOME!19:37
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attahVenemo_j.. yup, some cool RT-OS (we don't do hard RT although we could), and superspecial HW.. I like it, but it's not for everyone19:39
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attahcoderus: did i understand you correctly?19:47
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attahcoderus: Note that this property is only valid for images read from the local filesystem. Images loaded via a network resource (e.g. HTTP) are always loaded asynchonously.19:58
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stephgattah you love it!20:01
attahno.. I'm slowly but steadily going insane20:01
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smokexattah: link this?
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attahit's becoming more and more tempting to take that way out anyway20:04
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suyI've been reading the backlog, and you guys were talking about docs, and sending patches, but... To where? Where is the repo with the docs?20:09
suyI mean for the components, or the overviews, etc.20:09
tanghus_How can I keep a Timer running even when application is inactive? It just slows down until it eventually stops.20:10
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jake9xxwhoot? I've got timers running on my apps when they are on background20:12
tanghus_jake9xx: yeah, I have no idea what is going on...20:13
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jake9xxtanghus_: normal qml timer  ?20:14
tanghus_jake9xx: yub20:15
jake9xxwanna share some source?20:15
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jake9xxuhmm.. what is the purpose there with the seconds tuning?20:17
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attahwhy isn't QHttp availabe? :S shouldn't it just be in QtNetwork?20:18
tanghus_jake9xx: the setSeconds call? A leftover I forgot to remove :P20:19
jake9xxtanghus_: yeah, looks like it :)20:19
jake9xxtanghus_: that's one timer I've got in my apps20:19
jake9xxworks a-ok20:20
M4rtinKjake9xx: how does it react to locking the screen ?20:20
tanghus_jake9xx: I'll do some poor mans debugging ;)20:20
M4rtinKjake9xx: does it still keep going ?20:20
suyattah: because qhttp is qt 4.x only20:21
suyuse qnetworkaccessmanager20:21
jake9xxM4rtinK: yes , but that app does not respect the locking in that way20:21
M4rtinKI'll need reliable timers eventually in modRana (turn-by-turn navigation, track logging, etc.)20:22
attahsuy: i was just finding out.. thanks!  searching the doc is a hassle20:22
attahok.. looking at that now20:22
jake9xxM4rtinK: those are reliable, but taking that app into question, you might wanna look at the mce sleep prevention in together.jolla.com20:22
suyattah: not with qt creator... the locator is excellent for that20:22
M4rtinKjake9xx: sure, you should stop UI only timers, but are needed for other stuff :)20:22
suyis my main use for it, I still write the code in vim20:22
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attahsuy: what is this locator you speak of? :)20:23
M4rtinKjake9xx: good point, that might also be needed20:23
attahhmm, cool.. i'll try that!20:23
M4rtinKvim \o/20:23
suyattah: ctrl+k, then type one letter for the class of stuff you want (e.g. "." for a member of the class, "?" for the help), then the thing20:24
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jake9xxM4rtinK: pkcon install vim :D real live coding20:26
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M4rtinKjake9xx: well, I'm quite close to live coding already :)20:27
M4rtinKjake9xx: I have a script that rsyncs the code from my PC and runs it :)20:27
M4rtinKjake9xx: and as it is all Python & QML, I don't have to compile anything20:28
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jake9xxM4rtinK: we experimented with something like that - so that qtc would have a qfilewatcher and each time you save a non-compilable file -> rsync20:28
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jake9xxthe only way professionally to use windows pc.. is with a mobaXterm or Cygwin20:30
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jake9xxor go on the 'all IDE' route - and grow beard while waiting for the ui sometimes20:30
Nicd-or just ditch windows entirely20:31
jake9xxNicd-: once there is fully working linux setup for this Asus UX32VD then yes20:31
M4rtinKjake9xx: yeah, should be easy to do with inotify20:31
M4rtinKjake9xx: but still rather limited by the need to relaunch the whole context20:32
M4rtinKjake9xx: but anything more would be probably a bit NP-hard :)20:33
jake9xxM4rtinK: hmm.. if it's just the ui thread that gets disabled, run your own engine20:33
jake9xxand keep timers etc there20:33
M4rtinKyeah, that might be doable20:34
M4rtinKif the UI is really simple20:34
jani_has anyone thought about if there would be any benefit to node.js & tools on sailfish/jolla? wondering would there be any benefit for having those for native app development..20:34
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M4rtinKor take memory snapshots each time a QML file is loaded and rollback just before the loading once the given file is changed20:35
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M4rtinKok, I think we are getting a bit offtopic :)20:35
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M4rtinKSo what do you think about: ? :)20:49
khertanM4rtinK, that s adding feature isn't really the priority :)20:51
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specialM4rtinK: my reply on touches on that20:51
khertanM4rtinK, basic things are still working20:51
khertanstill not working20:51
khertan(by  basic i didn't mean simple ...)20:52
M4rtinKkhertan: sure, but still we should be able to track even not so serious issues like this20:52
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specialit's useful information when prioritizing features20:53
Stskeepskhertan: see /msg ?20:53
khertanM4rtinK, indeed ... i didn't say that we should not : you ask what we think about ... :)20:53
khertanStskeeps, oh ... no20:53
M4rtinKalso there are some communities that use Jabber MUC quite heavily from what I've heard20:53
M4rtinKkhertan: you have a point :)20:54
attahjaay.. i think i made a QNetworkRequest.. and quite possibly loaded an image from it... but how would i display it now?20:54
M4rtinKstuff it to an image provider20:55
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M4rtinKBTW, this is how I load map tiles - they are downloaded and cached in local storage by the backend, so each tile is downloaded from the Internet only once20:56
jani w00t - that wasnt so hard.20:56
attahM4rtinK: Thanks.. but i thing some of the code is missing20:56
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attahaaargh... that's so backwards for preloading images over http21:09
attahfuture me will have to deal with that21:09
specialattah: are you aware that you can load images directly from the network in QML?21:10
specialImage { source: "http://..." }21:10
M4rtinKwell, if you use the http URL directly in QML, it will fetch it and use it from the QtQuick image cache21:10
M4rtinKbut just for the one session or until it flushes the cache21:11
attahspecial: yes.. but they don't get cache'd.. and i'd like to not abuse more than necessary21:11
attahf*ck me for being a kind person21:12
attahM4rtinK: what's the scope of this session you talk about?21:13
attahThis was in the QML doc for image: Images loaded via a network resource (e.g. HTTP) are always loaded asynchonously.21:15
M4rtinKattah: when you do: Image { source: "" }21:16
attah(conserning cache property)21:16
M4rtinKattah: will load it from "" only ones21:16
M4rtinKattah: every other Image with source set to "" will get it from local image cache automatically21:17
attahM4rtinK: That sounds awesome! And now i realize that I have misread the doc on that regard..21:18
M4rtinKattah: but 1) the cache is flushed when application exits, so it will refetch it on the next start21:18
M4rtinKattah: 2) the cache has limited capacity so it might get replaced by new data and get refetched once an image with "" shows again, even if it was already cached once21:18
special3) that cache is stupid :<21:19
M4rtinKattah: 3) the image cache doesn't seem to be configurable (size, persistence, etc.)21:19
attah(1) Is fine by me.. hopefully the user selected to apply the downloaded pic (doing a cover art fixer/finder app)21:19
M4rtinKspecial: could be also worded like this :)21:19
attah2 & 3 sounds more worrying21:20
M4rtinKstill quite nice for working with local images21:20
M4rtinKbut one might need to work around it for remote images21:21
attahI'll just have to get a larger music collection and wireshark it to see if it behaves21:21
attahit should hopefully be able to cache quite a few 250px images..21:23
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mtfkhi, I would like to try run sailfishOs on different arm base device, where I can find some relevent information about that, as on the main page/wiki there is no information about that?22:24
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tbrmtfk: right now the only way is to make mer/nemo run on the device first22:28
tbrmtfk: but supposedly there is a new approach coming soon where you'll be able to reuse a CM10.1+ install as the android base system22:29
mtfkI am not using android at all, so for me deploying just linux distro is ok.22:30
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mtfkbut after deploying nemo how I will get "SailfishOS" on top of that?22:31
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mtfklike UI and all environment?22:31
tbrmtfk: this has been blogged about22:31
mtfktbr: could you give some links? or point who and where?22:32
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tbrI think vgrade has blogged about it and also the sailfish-on-n9 blog posts might help22:32
mtfkthanks I will check that22:33
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thpcoderus: thx, will review in the next days22:46
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smokexmtfk: use this instead of the nemo tar22:52
smokexfor n9/50 devices at least22:53
smokexI'm not sure if anyone has gotten an android device running yet.. besides jolla22:53
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mtfkI am trying to do it on Cotton Candy: fxitech.com23:38
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