Wednesday, 2014-01-15

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virtualddo sailfish os have aegis like the n9?00:07
virtualdsome other root-is-not-root policy?00:08
virtualdwhy not?00:08
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specialnothing more than standard unix permissions has been implemented so far00:10
M4rtinKvirtuald: because Aegis was braindead stupid and alienated a good part of the developer community ?00:12
javispedropolicy was braindead00:12
virtualdwhat will happen when big content demands drm?00:12
javispedroI am not sure if the concept was.00:12
M4rtinKvirtuald: and still was full of holes anyway00:12
M4rtinKthe end result was00:12
M4rtinKand as all development stopped soon after release00:13
specialI found a fun one while hacking up some harmattan software00:13
M4rtinKthere was no possibility to change the policy anyway00:13
specialcreating a certain file under /root/ let you avoid many of the privilege checks00:13
specialintended for a unit test mode, but always enabled00:13
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javispedrovirtuald: hopefully, this will happen:
javispedrovirtuald: see question #300:14
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virtualdthere's got to be some baseband kernel with hidden processes for comms etc00:15
M4rtinKvirtuald: they will be told to <very profane Finnish swear word> their <another very profane Finnish swear word> where it belongs00:15
virtualdisn't that drm?00:15
M4rtinKat least I hope so00:15
javispedrovirtuald: certainly not "content drm"00:16
M4rtinKotherwise based on current reactions on the bootloader and the Harbour mess, the reaction would be fatal00:16
javispedro(ah yes, stupid move btw)00:16
M4rtinKvirtuald: that's called "unauditable RTOS full of holes from Qualcom that can do anything"00:17
M4rtinKa stadard feature of many current mobile phones :P00:17
specialjust mobile?00:17
M4rtinKwell, maybe some laptops and usb sticks00:17
specialexplore your desktop firmware, sometime. All sorts of fun to be had.00:17
M4rtinKeverything with baseband module00:17
M4rtinKeven micro sd cards00:18
M4rtinKbut not many of them have full wireless connectivity and can modify the content of your RAM00:18
M4rtinKand even _boot the operating system_00:18
M4rtinKall at once00:18
javispedroM4rtinK: ACPI firmware does.00:19
virtualdare they bringing acpi to arm?00:19
M4rtinKwell, there are some talks about it00:19
virtualdbut why?00:19
M4rtinKhardware discovery00:20
javispedro ... because the current situation in ARM is worse.00:20
virtualdmeaning there's no standard?00:20
javispedroor that there's a shitload of them.00:20
M4rtinKbut a burned-in-hardware device tree might also work00:20
M4rtinKbasically, on ARM _YOU_ have to tell the OS what hardware is there00:21
specialM4rtinK: is a fun read00:21
virtualdaha, no pnp00:21
specialwho needs access to wireless connectivity and the contents of RAM when you can invisibly modify the software from disk instead?00:21
M4rtinKand until recently this meant to make your own kernel & Uboot fork for each board00:21
M4rtinKspecial: yeah, know about that one00:22
M4rtinKspecial: well, if you have it all in LUKS, it should ever see only encrypted blocks00:23
specialM4rtinK: and it also sees the bootloader, unless you're running that off of a separate device.00:23
M4rtinKspecial: but yeah, can install a phishing initramdisk :)00:23
specialeverything is broken :)00:23
M4rtinKyou can use UEFI and sign it ! :)00:24
specialso can the NSA!00:24
M4rtinK(as long as you actually manage to boot with it :D )00:24
javispedrowith a microsoft signature!00:24
virtualdwhat kind of things in programming do i need to practice to break into the brokenness?00:24
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virtualdso bin the NSA!00:24
virtualdi know there's probably datasheets for the hardware00:25
virtualdand jtag somewhere00:25
virtualdso i need to read up on that.. and start programming hardware00:26
virtuald10 years later, something will happen00:26
javispedro"open source internet browsers which allow users to trade drugs, weapons and pornography"00:29
virtualdwhich is not always illegal or even morally wrong00:30
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virtualdwhat's God's name in finnish?00:34
specialthe finns are hopefully all asleep00:34
javispedroer... I should be going.00:35
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atlazvirtuald: Jumala06:08
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Khertan_AtworkMorning !08:50
ericccMorning !08:52
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ericcc  nice  app08:57
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atlazsailimur - i need this now08:57
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coderus how to add own etrie in gallery share methods like email, buetooth?09:33
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radiofreecoderus: maybe it's similar to the n9?
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Sfiet_Konstantincoderus: this will interest you
Sfiet_Konstantincoderus: take a look in your /usr/share/nemo-transferengine/plugins too10:18
Sfiet_Konstantindon't know if it is ehough10:19
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ericcc  is  release?10:29
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Sfiet_Konstantinhi ericcc !10:30
Sfiet_Konstantinlong time no see10:30
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Sfiet_Konstantinericcc: did you got a Jolla device ?10:30
Sfiet_Konstantinmight be hard for you ?10:30
ericccSfiet_Konstantin:  hi10:30
ericccno device10:30
Sfiet_Konstantinericcc: :(10:30
ericcconly sdk:)10:30
Sfiet_Konstantinericcc: ah :)10:30
Sfiet_Konstantinyou can try to compile sailimgur if you want, on the SDK10:30
ericccyep  i  just down it  and send it to sdk10:31
Sfiet_Konstantinericcc: :)10:32
ericcci  want to dinner  ,see you10:34
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walokraericcc: remember that you need the imgur api key for sailimgur to work10:54
janii broke the glass on jolla yesterday .. fell out of my pocket to bus floor and cracked  ;((11:01
Sfiet_Konstantinjani: :(11:01
suosaaskiSo... a coworker has a weird issue (probably a setting?) with Jolla. He gets email occasionally with like 6 pictures. And the email-app decides to randomly download a few of them to gallery?11:02
janibtw, does anyone know straight what map service does foursail use ?11:02
Sfiet_Konstantinjani: openstreetmap11:03
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coderusSfiet_Konstantin: transfer engine now handling share?11:16
janii think its quite good (and so far, its pretty up to date .. it even has some small forest track paths  ..11:17
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Sfiet_Konstantincoderus: for what I have seen in the qml code11:17
Sfiet_Konstantincoderus: you should ssh more often on your device, and go to /usr/share/jolla-*11:18
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Sfiet_Konstantinor /usr/lib/qt5/qml/*11:18
Sfiet_Konstantinand read code11:18
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coderusi have device mounted with sshfs every time :)11:26
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coderusbut thanks, you helped me Sfiet_Konstantin  :)11:26
Sfiet_Konstantincoderus: :)11:27
Sfiet_Konstantincoderus: it might not be fully OSS but qml files helps11:27
Sfiet_KonstantinI like this :)11:27
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cos-sdk refuses to build package with current version number.. it always uses the old one. any ideas?11:48
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cos-i already deleted the .spec and shadow build directories11:49
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ericcc_the  sailimgur for  sailfish code  looks  like  simple12:48
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opt1mus, whoaaaa13:13
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janicos-: can you put the build log to pastebin or somewhere ?13:18
cos-jani: ok, hold on..13:19
cos-do you need build part or only deployment?13:20
janibetter to have full log imho.13:20
cos-usually deleting .spec has helped in this situation, but not today13:21
cos-i suppose qtc sould rewrite it when .yaml changes, but it does not13:21
cos-old version is 2.0.5, yaml has 2.0.613:24
cos-string 2.0.5 is not found anywhere in project files13:25
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coderusSfiet_Konstantin: i found docs :)13:36
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Sfiet_Konstantincoderus: so ? does it iworks ?13:58
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cos-jani: did you find anything useful in the logs?14:05
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Khertan_Atworkno leaked info about next update ? i'm particulary interested by the py3 release :)14:19
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janiwhats the average time QA takes for submitted app to harbour ?14:39
janicos-: i dropped off from screen, checking now ..14:39
cos-jani: qa bounces usually in 1-3 days14:40
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Sfiet_Konstantinjani: I usually get 3 days14:41
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janicos-: can't spot anything really .. tried even cloning your repo build failed before it got to actual packaging.14:49
janibut off i go now ..14:49
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jake9xxthere will be tool soon so you can do quick pre-qa on your SailfishOS app15:30
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fk_lxjake9xx: hehe, I've wrote that on Twitter few days ago :-) good prediction15:31
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javispedrois there any cons about using the mer platform sdk with the sailfish rootstraps?15:49
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javispedro(my experience) I've been copying the unpacked rootstraps from the Sailfish SDK VM to the current mer-sdk without any visible problem15:52
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kaltsijavispedro: when you build software, sb2 will run many binaries from the 'platform sdk' .. if the tool versions are not what sailfish rootstraps expect, there might be some surprises15:54
kaltsithat is if you are using sb2 to build software15:55
javispedroyeah, I am.15:55
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kaltsifor example; when you are building an arm binary and it calls 'qmake' the qmake is actually run as an i486 binary from the platform sdk15:55
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javispedroaha. The versions are so far similar enough seemingly, though.15:56
kaltsiyes.. so there /might/ be problems.. but probably not many15:57
javispedroforgot to mention that I couldn't get the i486 target to work though. -EAGAIN when "zypper ref" tries to resolve hostnames, ran out of patience to debug and arm target worked :)15:57
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tbrI'm thoroughly impressed with how far OBS has come nowadays16:10
tbrI just built a package in my private sailfish repository with nothing more than a few clicks and a git url.16:10
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Sfiet_Konstantintbr: I build mine with a git tag :P16:49
tbrSfiet_Konstantin: guess what I did16:50
Sfiet_Konstantintbr: you clicked16:50
Sfiet_Konstantinso :P16:50
tbron 'get this from git, yes use git_tag, here's your URL, shut up'16:50
tbrthere is a web ui for it16:50
tbrbecause I don't trust open repos at the slightest I prefer to take sources and rebuild them, preferably on OBS16:51
tbrknown to be clean build environment, against latest dependencies, etc16:51
Sfiet_Konstantinwell I push my packages from OBS to openrepos16:52
Sfiet_Konstantinand to Harbour16:52
tbrwhy not to chum?16:52
locusfhow can I make a macros stanza stick around in the .spec file (I got an app rejected in Harbour, bluewhale) ?16:54
locusf%define __provides_exclude_from ^%{_datadir}/.*$16:54
kaltsiput it between the # >> macros and # << macros lines16:54
locusfI also gotta find out how to use the XDG basepath in Qt16:55
locusfkaltsi: oh it works just like that?16:55
kaltsithe lines between those special comments are left unmodified when spectacle converts yaml to spec16:55
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kaltsilocusf: did you notice a small sdk update today, now you can pre-validate the rpm in your local sdk too before sending it to harbour for acceptance16:57
locusfwhat about the XDG config path in Qt? Should I just rip it from an env variables?16:57
locusfkaltsi: no I didn't update anything yet today :)16:57
locusfbut good, I'll take a look at it now16:57
kaltsiI don't know about the xdg path.. probably there's a nice Qsomething you can use16:57
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sunkanWell, it's now been more than 24 hours ago since my app was published with a new version to harbour. I have then also run "pkcon refresh", I can see that there is a newer version in the "store" with "pkcon get-details" but still no prompt in the phone to update the app. How should the prompt look like and where should I see it, is there something more that needs to be done in addition to raising the version number on the rpm package?17:15
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sunkanI'm assuming that apps should be able to be updated..17:16
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coderustbr: some inside info - openrepos will have bridge OBS -> openrepos soon :)17:37
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tbrcoderus: nice17:39
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tbrcoderus: but as long as there is no QA on openrepos and major incidents like 'uninstalled half my phone' happen, I'm not getting _anywhere_ near that17:40
coderustbr: i dont care about any of users using something or not using17:41
coderusi'm power user and i know what to do in any situation :)17:41
tbrcoderus: I'm just voicing my opinion. I think this is a significant danger to the average user and that's where it's being marketed17:42
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coderuswhat the danger btw?17:46
coderuslatest warehouse fixed17:47
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coderusyou dont remove anything important accidentaly :)17:47
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Elleocoderus: rpm postinst scripts get run as root, so you're giving root to anyone who uploads to openrepos17:53
Elleowell, whatever the rpm equivelant of pre/postinst scripts are17:54
locusfkaltsi: where is the rpm validator?17:54
locusfor jake9xx17:54
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kaltsilocusf: in the 'control center' view of qtcreator or in your browser17:55
stephgSfiet_Konstantin meant to say, very much liking Friends btw17:56
locusfkaltsi: but where in there?17:57
kaltsido you see 'harbour tools'17:57
kaltsion the left.. ok then you didn't get the updates yet17:57
locusfI have updated to latest version17:57
kaltsiin the updates page, so you have any 'engine updates' listed.. the way the webui shows the updates is a bit stupid and needs work17:58
locusfupdater: "No updates available."17:58
locusfno engine updates17:58
kaltsiwhat happens is that 5 minutes after you have booted up the virtual machine, it does a zypper refresh to get the updates.. but if you have visited the updates page before that, it won't show them to you17:58
kaltsiif you have had the virtual machine running for a while you could try rebooting it17:59
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coderusElleo: QA and moderation will be at openrepos soon, dont worry ;)17:59
locusfor ssh in and manually run zypper ref?17:59
locusfand then zypper dup18:00
kaltsilocusf: well yes :)18:00
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locusfkaltsi: yeah that worked too18:01
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kaltsigood, if you get problems with the tool, lemme know18:01
Elleocoderus: good :)18:02
kaltsicoderus: do you admin openrepos?18:02
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Elleocoderus: to make it really professional you should restrict us from using any libraries other than libc :P18:02
locusfkaltsi: all good and working now :)18:06
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coderusElleo: lolwhat? :D18:23
coderuskaltsi: no, i'm project fiend :)18:24
locusfhmm qgetenv obviously doesn't work18:27
locusffor XDG_CONFIG_HOME18:27
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locusfcoderus: how did you solve your database file paths in mitakuuluu?18:28
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coderuslocusf: i didnt understand18:44
attahSo I have this SilicaListView of a DocumentGalleryModel DocumentGallery.Album.. but i can't seem to extract neither albumArtist or artist, what's up with that?18:44
coderuswhat you mean?18:44
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attah(referring to a non-existing property gives warnings, so I'm reasonably sure I'm doing something right)18:44
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coderuslocusf: ?19:12
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attahI did the update that came out today, and then i built a few times.. and all of a sudden it started complaining that: error: QtQuick: No such file or directory19:30
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attahAnd also QNetwork.. weird!19:32
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cos-has anyone solved "project is outside or shared mer home" ?19:36
cos-mount --bind trick described here does not work
kaltsicos- what is your exact case.. I know how to solve it19:40
kaltsiif you just describe it19:41
coderusany example of plugin and using Q_PLUGIN_METADATA please19:42
cos-kaltsi: i have /home symlinked to /otherhd/home19:42
cos-..and sources in /home/user/src which looks like /otherhd/home/user/src to some sdk components19:44
kaltsiahh.. well I suppose you could define /otherhd/home/ as an additional source path for the sdk19:45
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kaltsihave you already done that?19:46
cos-i just did (by editing .config/SailfishAlpha3/QtCreator.ini) but that didn't help19:46
kaltsiit's not the correct way to do it19:47
cos-how do i do it then?19:47
kaltsiyou have to edit .config/SailfishAlpha3/qtcreator/mersdk.xml and redefine the virtualbox src1 mount in virtualbox tool19:47
kaltsiin mersdk.xml there's an xml entry "SharedSrc'19:47
kaltsibefore editing it, close qtc19:48
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kaltsithen shut down the mersdk virtual machine and edit its settings in virtualbox19:49
kaltsigo to 'shared folders' settings and change the 'src1' to /otherhd/home/19:49
kaltsi(alternatively uninstall, and remove .config/SailfishAlpha3 and reinstall sdk and give the path to the installer when it asks for it)19:49
cos-let's try..19:51
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kaltsiI've not tested with symlinked stuff.. so it's possible this needs patching somewhere19:52
kaltsibut those are the steps you would take to configure a directory outside your home for the sdk19:53
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cos-kaltsi: it worked. thanks!19:58
kaltsiyw, good19:58
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cos-weird.. wlan connection is paused if screen is turned off20:28
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kaltsiI think the device goes to sleep mode.. but that is annoying20:30
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PeterParkcos: I usually just open console on jolla and ping some site. This keeps the WLAN on20:34
cos-let's try that20:35
claucos-, have a look at this thread:
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clauthere's a solution there: mcetool --set-suspend-policy=early20:36
clauit improves things, but make sure you read that thread before playing with it20:36
cos-somehow it seems that running powertop causes connection to stall20:38
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cos-connecting usb charger solved the issue20:41
clauthat does it too20:44
clausince the device won't go to deep sleep then20:45
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leszekis there an example on howto signal slot from qml to c++ for qt5 ? The qt4 examples won't run20:46
clauPeterPark is right too, as long as there's incoming trafic the device is kept awake, or woken if it already went to sleep.20:46
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Armadillohi there21:01
Armadillotoday I tried the Sailfish SDK on my Fedora machine at work and it worked great directly from the start.21:04
ArmadilloThen i created a little test project and took it with me at home. Now I'm trying to get the SDK working on my Win7 x64 machine since 2 hours.21:04
ArmadilloMost of the things is working. But when I start the Sailfish Emulator VM I'm getting the error that the private key file can not be found, but no path where it has to be.21:04
kaltsiArmadillo: hi, did you end up installing it more than once?21:05
kaltsiin different paths maybe?21:05
Armadillodid anyone ever had this problem? I already tried to reinstall the complete SDK and reinstalled it under different paths but I haven'T had any success with this21:05
kaltsiArmadillo: let's try this.. exit from qt creator now21:05
ArmadilloI tried many times^^21:05
Armadillobut I don't know if I already tried the default paths21:06
kaltsiArmadillo: then once you have exited, go and remove the config dir like explained here
kaltsiit's the appdata/roaming .. first bulleting point under installer21:06
kaltsithen start qt creator again.. let's see if this helps21:08
kaltsiif not let's debug more21:08
ArmadilloI'll try it21:08
kaltsiqtcreator will rewrite the config there when you restart it21:09
kaltsibut if it was already there, then it won't do it.. and if the sdk is installed into different dirs, the config will end up having paths to the first dir it was installed to21:09
Armadillothat sounds good21:11
Armadilloat the first install I had problems with the Emulator VM, which couldn't start the GUI21:11
ArmadilloI reinstalled it to get rid of this problem21:12
Armadillomaybe I changed the paths at the second install21:12
kaltsilet's hope it works.. the next thing to try is do another uninstall, remove the config dir, and reinstall again :)21:13
kaltsiand make sure both virtual machines are stopped before reinstalling if you have to21:13
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kaltsiand also that qt creator is closed before removing the config21:14
Armadillooh great it worked!21:15
ArmadilloI reinstalled it to be sure and removed the config dir21:15
Armadilloworked great21:15
Armadillotahnk you very much! :)21:15
Armadilloalready got crazy with this21:15
kaltsiyou're welcome.. we need to improve that config dir handling21:16
Armadillostrange I haven'T seen that point on the faq21:16
ArmadilloI read this 3 times before the last one I think...21:16
kaltsishould be in the faq.. only in 'known issues'21:16
Armadillook, thank you again very much, now I can go asleep and give it a second try tomorrow evening ;)21:17
Hartzihey does anyone know why QTC is showing red line under "import QtPositioning 5.0"?21:17
cos-where's the list of allowed requires in harbour?21:17
kaltsiok, have fun Armadillo21:18
Armadillogood night everyone21:18
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kaltsiHartzi: it's not seeing the qml import stuff it wants to see for its autocompletion feature21:18
kaltsiHartzi: that's an sdk issue21:18
Hartzikaltsi: so I cannot fix it by myself?21:18
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cos-leszek: signals & slots should be the same in Qt4 and Qt521:19
kaltsiwell.. not much of a list I guess, but you can use the rpm validation tool that is available today to pre-check your rpm before sending it to harbour21:20
cos-kaltsi: requires is list of rpm packages, not libs21:20
kaltsicos-: requires can be anything21:20
cos-i just noticed i need qt5-plugin-imageformat-ico and i suppose it's not whitelisted21:20
kaltsiHartzi: I'm not 100% sure how to fix it, so I don't know how to fully explain it21:21
kaltsicos-: its allowed.. try the rpm validator21:21
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kaltsiHartzi: but qtcreator wants to see a qmlplugin.types (orsomething) under the correct target directory which can be found in ~/SailfishOS/mersdk/targets/targetname21:22
Hartzikaltsi: okay21:22
kaltsiHartzi: and the *types files are created by a tool usually during build time, but sometimes after, and many times not at all21:22
cos-kaltsi: ok will do21:23
cos-just got the engine update in sdk21:25
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kaltsidid you get the harbour tools page?21:29
cos-it passed validation21:30
kaltsiok.. then just read the disclaimer too :)21:30
cos-i don't see any reason for rejection now.. let's hope it gets through :-)21:31
cos-even gif was allowed21:31
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Hartzithat example doesn't work :|21:35
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Hartziwhat else it needs to get it work?21:39
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Hartzianyone know?21:51
kaltsiHartzi: I don't sorry.. perhaps daytime there might be some active sailors around who know21:52
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Hartzikaltsi: do you have any idea where this showcase project in VM is located at? There's a good example but I don't see the source anywhere..21:57
kaltsiHartzi: what's the project name?21:58
kaltsithere's no 'showcase' ..21:58
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Hartziah I found it21:59
kaltsithere's stuff under installdir/examples and installdir/tutorials21:59
Hartzilocated at sailfishos/examples/componentgallery21:59
kaltsiif you open it in qtcreator, doesn't it create a project for you with all the sources?22:00
kaltsior if you click on it under the examples.. same with the tutorials22:00
Hartziyes it does22:00
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Hartzibut I didn't find it earlier22:00
kaltsiok :)22:01
kaltsifor others too: qt creator 'welcome' tab, see Examples and Tutorials on the getting started page22:01
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HartziDidn't see that before22:02
kaltsiit's easy to miss22:02
Hartzia usability problem :))))))22:03
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