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| andril | hello all | 00:07 |
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| chriadam | gday | 00:12 |
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| Okee | Can someone give me an honest comparison between Sailfish OS and Android Jellybean? Can I run more Linux applications on Sailfish? Or are they about the same? | 00:17 |
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| andril | sorry Okee trying to get Sailfish OS on my N9 | 00:23 |
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| andril | all i know that there was supposed to be an Android layer and apps through Yandex | 00:24 |
| Okee | Andril> I am a complete newb, but would prefer something closer to linux on my phone. I took a look at the latest board for the Neo900, a spinoff from the Neofreerunner. The board is ok, but I don't like the phone; keyboard is too much like the Rasberry PI, and I feel Like I am doing microsurgery every time I make a phone call. | 00:25 |
| Okee | andril> Is that available now? | 00:25 |
| Vostok | keyboard is too much like raspberry pi? wtf? | 00:26 |
| Okee | Vostok> Yes, it is tiny.... | 00:26 |
| andril | Okee, the keyboard is small on the N9 as well but solid device a shame Meego disappeared | 00:26 |
| andril | but it seems people are installing Sailfish OS on them :0 | 00:27 |
| Okee | At least that is what I saw in the image. It is still bigger than the Neo900, but I give the developers of the Neo900 for designing hardware that will truly run anything. | 00:27 |
| Vostok | Okee: so tiny that you're comparing it to a completely different device with no keyboard at all? | 00:28 |
| Vostok | i don't get it | 00:28 |
| Okee | meant to say that I give the developers of the Neo900 a lot of credit for designing something that will run any OS. | 00:28 |
| Okee | Vostok> Perhaps I am misunderstanding the features of the N9. I hear there is no keyboard, but the video I watched sure looks like there is a keyboard: http://jolla.com/# | 00:29 |
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| andril | n9 no keyboard, n900 keyboard | 00:30 |
| Okee | So how is Sailfish OS for running Linux aps? | 00:31 |
| Vostok | Okee: what i was confused about was that when talking about some kind of phone, you said you don't like the keyboard because the keyboard is too much like the raspberry pi | 00:31 |
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| Vostok | i don't get how a keyboard can be like raspberry pi | 00:32 |
| Okee | Vostok> I was referring to the Neo900. | 00:32 |
| Okee | Vostok> I was referring to the "small size" of the keys. | 00:32 |
| Vostok | so you used a raspberry pi as a scale? :) | 00:33 |
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| Vostok | it doesn't make any sense to compare something where small size is bad (a keyboard) to something where small size is good (raspberry pi) | 00:33 |
| Okee | Vostok> Yes, and I don't like the phone. But it has really good security. | 00:33 |
| Vostok | dude.. | 00:33 |
| Vostok | ok, i give up | 00:33 |
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| Eztran | Not sure exactly what you're after in 'Linux apps'? | 00:36 |
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| juke | does the phone prefer mobile networks over wlan? | 13:17 |
| coderus | no, just wlan prefer to sleep sometimes | 13:19 |
| juke | if i'm next wlan bs and enable wlan in the settings, should it connect to wlan? | 13:22 |
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| coderus | no, it connects on demand | 13:25 |
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| juke | i think the only way to get it to use wlan is to disable mobile data in the settings | 13:27 |
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| ottulo | nope, you can go to wlan settings and choose "connect to internet", it'll let you choose wlan or mobile data | 13:40 |
| juke | ok | 13:42 |
| juke | i've noticed that before, but i have the feeling it's not always working | 13:42 |
| juke | now it worked | 13:43 |
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| juke | if i want to have a list of different qml elements inside a rectangle element, one element per row, is listview appropriate for it? | 15:28 |
| juke | like a settings list | 15:28 |
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| cos- | listview or column | 15:41 |
| juke | thanks | 15:44 |
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| juke | if i want redine theme's colors, where should it be done? | 16:48 |
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| mornfall | Is there a Qt equivalent of parseNum that handles locales correctly? | 17:23 |
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| mornfall | When I create a numeric TextInput, the keyboard shows a locale-specific decimal separator which is literally reflected in the "text" property. | 17:23 |
| mornfall | So locales with ',' as a decimal separator make parseNum cut off the number at ','... | 17:24 |
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| rhqq | guys, i believe my question was already asked and answered many times, but i couldn't google it, so my apologies for that. and the question is - how/where can i find documentation and other requirements for porting the os/prepairing it to load on other android device? | 18:18 |
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| Yaniel | start with merproject.org | 18:19 |
| Yaniel | and #nemomobile in freenode | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | rhqq: which device are you curious about? | 18:19 |
| rhqq | cat b15 | 18:20 |
| rhqq | first "smartphone" i will not be afraid to use ;) | 18:20 |
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| rhqq | but android is something i do want to avoid | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | ugh, mediatek is a tough one | 18:21 |
| rhqq | nobody said it will be easy job to do ;) | 18:21 |
| jupaja | Hi Sailors is there a way to pack a shell script .desktop and .spec to file to a rpm ? I a bit nooby in this part can some on my link me a site wich show how to do? | 18:21 |
| rhqq | i believe thats why we all are here ;) | 18:21 |
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| coderus | mornfall: QLocale::toDouble for example | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | rhqq: in practice, 1) find kernel source 2) get clockworkmod recovery on it | 18:25 |
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| coderus | jupaja: rpmbuild? | 18:25 |
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| jupaja | @coderus is it in the mer repo? zypper retuns an no found :( | 18:27 |
| mornfall | coderus: any idea how to call that from qml? | 18:28 |
| mornfall | (javascript) | 18:28 |
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| jupaja | :coderus is it in the mer repo? zypper retuns an no found | 18:46 |
| jupaja | coderus is it in the mer repo? zypper retuns an no found | 18:47 |
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| coderus | jupaja: this tool should already present in sdk | 18:56 |
| jupaja | okay tired on my Jolla :D | 18:56 |
| coderus | mornfall: check "Number | QtQml 5.1" and "Locale | QtQml 5.1" reference articles | 18:58 |
| coderus | jupaja: package name: rpm-build | 18:59 |
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| jupaja | coderus: THX! | 19:00 |
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| mornfall | ok, so the magic incantation is Number.fromLocaleString(Qt.locale(), text) and fromLocaleString has a wrong signature in the docs? | 19:03 |
| mornfall | (or I still need to parseFloat the result? let's see...) | 19:05 |
| mornfall | (so much for languages without a typechecker...) | 19:05 |
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| mornfall | seems to do the trick | 19:08 |
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| jupaja | Is there Ninja how like to help me get some erros during rpmbuild looks like I have some noob erros | 19:37 |
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| roboro | I want to look at compiling a few linux utilities on sailfish so that I can run them on my jolla... what's the best way to go about doing this? | 19:56 |
| jupaja | GEt this error | 20:00 |
| jupaja | RPM build errors: | 20:00 |
| jupaja | Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.awKYYU (%build) | 20:00 |
| jupaja | now during rpmbulid | 20:00 |
| jupaja | anyone with a idea | 20:00 |
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| coderus | roboro: login to SDK and configure/make | 20:06 |
| coderus | jupaja: read rpmbuild manpages | 20:07 |
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| roboro | ah... I see.. I can do a non-QT project | 20:08 |
| roboro | and then import my sources into that... right? | 20:08 |
| roboro | and pray that all my dependencies are available :) | 20:09 |
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| TemeV | i can't see newest version of Mitakuluu in harbour | 20:11 |
| TemeV | is this just me? | 20:11 |
| TemeV | change log mentions v.01-22 but warehouse does not give me update button | 20:12 |
| TemeV | I have 1-20 installed | 20:12 |
| Nicd- | harbour? | 20:14 |
| TemeV | harbour.. openrepos... | 20:14 |
| clau | I see it, and I have upgraded to 0.1-22 earlier today | 20:14 |
| TemeV | how can keep up with all these sites | 20:15 |
| clau | but it's warehouse, not harbour, right? | 20:15 |
| TemeV | yes | 20:15 |
| clau | afaik mitakuuluu is not yet in jolla store. | 20:15 |
| clau | TemeV, you can always try: pkcon refresh, followed by pkcon get-updates, to see which updates are available | 20:16 |
| clau | and pkcon update, to actually update | 20:16 |
| clau | in terminal, of course. | 20:16 |
| TemeV | i think it is warehouse that is broken. I tried uninstall and I can't install it anymore | 20:16 |
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| clau | do what I said above, maybe you'll find out there's a newer version of warehouse too | 20:18 |
| TemeV | I'll give it a try | 20:19 |
| TemeV | can I install openrepos stuff with pkcon? | 20:19 |
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| clau | yes, as long as you add the repos you want to use by using ssu | 20:19 |
| TemeV | should get-updates also install the updates or only show what is available? | 20:20 |
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| clau | only shows. | 20:21 |
| TemeV | ok now the harbour works again | 20:23 |
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| TemeV | I guess it didn't update repos for some reason | 20:23 |
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| TemeV | clau: thanks :) | 20:24 |
| clau | yw :) | 20:24 |
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| mikey__ | hi there :) | 20:28 |
| leszek | hi | 20:28 |
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| mikey__ | does anybody know how to access system resources of sailfish os from within the code please? :) need to check whether the alarm clock is set or not... | 20:30 |
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| gabriel9 | has anyone tried to open icon template with inkscape? | 20:43 |
| gabriel9 | i cant see any layers | 20:43 |
| gabriel9 | and i am not designer so i dont know why XD | 20:43 |
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| jupaja | gabriel9: true is show just root for me to ... | 21:27 |
| jupaja | gabriel9: but u can remove the butterfly ;) | 21:28 |
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| jupaja | gabriel9: or put it one layer up :) | 21:29 |
| jupaja | to select the butterfly parts use the pres F2 | 21:29 |
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| John24 | hey guys | 21:56 |
| John24 | I got few timers pooling information while app is active but I want to stop them once screen goes to sleep or application get's pushed to the background | 21:56 |
| John24 | how do you that? so far didn't find much on that | 21:57 |
| hoelzro | John24: I'm no expert, but I'm betting you could listen for a Component event on a cover element | 21:57 |
| hoelzro | oh | 21:57 |
| hoelzro | there's an applicationActive property =P | 21:58 |
| John24 | so if component is not in focus? | 21:58 |
| hoelzro | just listen for changes on that | 21:58 |
| hoelzro | that ought to work | 21:58 |
| John24 | applicationActive you say? | 21:58 |
| John24 | I will have to a look now | 21:58 |
| hoelzro | yeah, I found it here: | 21:58 |
| hoelzro | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-application-lifecycle.html#background-behavior | 21:58 |
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| John24 | trying to make it work | 22:07 |
| hoelzro | did that help any? | 22:08 |
| hoelzro | I'm curious myself =) | 22:08 |
| John24 | well just trying to see how to use it | 22:08 |
| John24 | if(ApplicationWindow.applicationActive) console.log("Ative") | 22:08 |
| John24 | gives me an error | 22:08 |
| hoelzro | you probably want onApplicationActiveChanged: console.log(applicationActive) | 22:09 |
| w00t | try check Qt.application.active | 22:09 |
| hoelzro | (I think) | 22:09 |
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| hoelzro | there's a special event for every QML property | 22:09 |
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| John24 | woot it only gives me two options Qt.ApplicationModal and Qt.ApplicationShortcut | 22:11 |
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| John24 | found it :D well hoelzro found it | 22:13 |
| John24 | but it works this way :) | 22:13 |
| John24 | if(applicationActive) console.log("Ative") | 22:13 |
| John24 | you just check property applicationActive which is always updated | 22:14 |
| hoelzro | \o/ | 22:17 |
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| AL13N | btw: how did you guys do that SwitchText pulse? | 22:24 |
| AL13N | is that an animation that you can trigger on that? | 22:24 |
| AL13N | see the dialer settings "Wait call" | 22:25 |
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| special | AL13N: hm, I wonder why that isn't in the docs | 22:27 |
| special | AL13N: busy: true | 22:27 |
| AL13N | ic | 22:29 |
| AL13N | nice | 22:29 |
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| AL13N | might be useful for my systemd UI | 22:29 |
| AL13N | :-) | 22:29 |
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| John24 | before I left I forgot to ask does applicationActive have a broadcaster? or do I need to have a timer to check it's state while in the background? | 23:02 |
| special | it will be bound like any normal QML property | 23:03 |
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| John24 | sorry I am still new to this not sure what you meant by bound? | 23:04 |
| special | it emits a signal when the value changes, which will cause anywhere it's used in QML to be re-evaluated with the new value. | 23:06 |
| special | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qtqml-syntax-propertybinding.html | 23:06 |
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| John24 | Thank you :) | 23:08 |
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