Wednesday, 2014-01-22

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radiofreefirst great day with a jolla today00:26
radiofreedisabled the "tohd" service... battery life out of this world00:26
radiofreealso, connected, and remained connected, to every wifi network i threw at it00:26
radiofreei charged it about 8 hours ago, currently at 79% after a few phone calls and constant internet activity00:27
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radiofreequite happy :D00:27
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tbrgood moaning06:00
BloobI'm having difficulties deciding whether that was misspelling or not :)06:03
Blooboh :)06:08
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narchiekoettu aika joku 80h ku toi bussi oli etuajas ja piti oottaa seuraavaa ":D"08:30
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artemmaQuick Launcher is in QA for 3.5 days already. What is your usual number?08:51
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Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: I got between 2 days and 1 week08:54
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artemmaSfiet_Konstantin: okay, then average 48 hours claimed in harbour pages is as fake as stats counters09:12
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: it is not that fake thjough09:13
Sfiet_Konstantinit is usually 2 dayus for me09:13
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* artemma never had it below two days, I think. More like 3-5 usually09:19
artemmaI think I had 2 days just once09:20
artemmaout of 4 apps and something like 6-9 submissions09:20
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Wntdoes this work on non dev mode enabled devices? "How to install RPM easily in #Jolla. Start Store app, download .rpm, go to Transfers and click file. Navigate to Store and there you go."
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goroborocoderus: ping09:58
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goroboroanyone know what I should specify in Group in my YAML file if I am compiling a command line app?10:00
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Sfiet_Konstantingoroboro: Qt/Qt ?10:22
Sfiet_Konstantindon't think that this have any importance10:22
goroborommm okay... its just not a Qt app...10:23
goroborobut I'll roll with that for now10:23
radiofreestopping tohd service seems to have fixed all (but one) of the wifi issues i was having as well10:23
radiofreei can connect to wifi networks now!10:23
radiofreeand use them!10:23
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coderusgoroboro: pong10:42
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goroborocoderus: hi10:43
coderustrash Yaml10:43
coderususe spec10:43
goroboroI'm pretty confused at the moment... the source that I have has a configure and Makefile10:44
goroboroI can make this manually... but doing it in the sdk is confusing me10:44
goroboroI'd love to see an example of how a standard linux command line utility gets packaged10:47
goroboromaybe its a mistake to do this in qt-creator... :/10:48
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sremesgoroboro: could you just take the source rpm from some other rpm-based distro?10:54
goroborosremes: that may be a good option10:54
goroborosremes: would the idea just be to copy the source rpm to somewhere on the build engine and then just do an rpmbuild --rebuild?10:57
goroboroor are you suggesting getting the spec file from the source rpm and just using that from within the sdk?10:58
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sremesgoroboro: I was thinking more about that first alternative, but I haven't done it either way myself11:04
goroborosremes: cool... will give it a shot11:08
tbrgoroboro: it goes into that direction yes11:09
tbrgoroboro: you'll just have to switch to the right build environment inside it11:09
tbrgoroboro: the other option is to use OBS. if there is a package in e.g. opensuse you can just copypac from there and have obs rebuild it11:09
tbragainst the sailfish target11:10
goroboroooooh... will look into that11:10
goroboroI didn't realize that OBS had a sailfish target11:12
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tbrgoroboro: it has, and if the tool is generally useful and not in mer-tools yet, we can add it to the community repository11:36
tbrcurrently named "Chum"11:36
goroborotbr: never used OBS before... so learning about it now11:37
goroborotbr: the tool is probably pretty niche abcm2ps :)11:37
tbrstart by getting a mer account (through registering in
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tbrum, yeah, music sheets. On the phone... not very main-stream :D11:38
goroboroheh... I want to create a sailfish app that can search for trad tunes and then render the sheet/tab mostly on the fly11:39
goroboroI'm a trad mandolin player... I thought it would be handy as music sessions11:40
goroboroI know a few people that search the site on their phones while at a session... so would be nice to show how a native sailfish app doing it on my jolla11:41
jake9xxtbr, I disagree on that. If you'd have app that shows a sliding window of tab and marks the point where you are supposed to be plus has metronome for the beat.. now that would be something11:41
goroborodoing the UI part should be pretty straightforward... provides json or xml rendering of all of its pages11:42
jake9xxI can play various tabs with my fender but keeping up the pace is sometimes difficult11:42
goroborojake9xx: true... but I've niched it further by seeking out trad music :D:D:D:11:42
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jake9xxesp. when reading new tabs11:42
goroborowould be a nice app... I think11:43
tbrjake9xx: mmh, indeed11:44
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goroborothere is a neat online service that converts abc to tab/sheet... but I want to avoid using too many online services... besides, I thought this might be a good opportunity to learn how to build other linux tools for the phone11:44
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roborommmm sooo much reading to do here... must get back to my day job... will look at this more tonight12:06
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joonahoimy excuse:
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Stskeepsfor discussion:
cos-i have understood it has been ported to several devices inside jolla, so is this something special?13:13
Stskeepshehe. clever - yes, we stood on a stage with a lot of devices running the old x11/qt stack back in november slush launch. this is more about the significant ability to use android adaptations13:15
jukeis there some system wide thing for social sharing like in android?13:16
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cos-juke: yes.13:20
jukeis it documented somewhere?13:20
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cos-user manual perhaps? at least images and videos can be shared13:21
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jukeyes i noticed that, is there an api i can use in my app?13:21
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jukein android you can just send a text intent it launches android's sharing menu, is there something like that in sailfish?13:28
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jukeit's like 5 lines13:28
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Stskeepsremind me again, who here has nexus 4's?14:04
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w00tmy mother in law!14:06
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fk_lxStskeeps: you? ;-)14:08
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gabriel9|workmaybe i should buy nexus 4 instead of jolla :/14:10
gabriel9|workbut TOH are nice feature14:10
gabriel9|workand i think support for sailors is ok14:10
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gabriel9|workmy gf has nexus414:10
radiofreenearly all of my problems i was having went away after disabling the other half nfc service14:11
radiofreeand the battery life is outstanding now14:11
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stephgStskeeps, sledges that's awesome :)14:52
Hartzihey sorry for the off topic but does anyone know that is Wazapp a dead project atm? :P14:53
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sledgesHartzi: it's living daylights under finnish name for "what's up?" ;)
sledgesstephg: thank you!14:55
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stephgsomeone with a hackernews account does need to get that vid up there pronto tho14:56
Hartzisledges: well I'm looking for a working version of whatsapp for harmattan :P14:57 seems to have broken ipv6 connectivity14:57
pyksyor is it just me?14:58
sledgesHartzi: ask in #harmattan ;)14:59
pyksy% telnet -6 44314:59
pyksyTrying 2a01:4f8:160:5104::2...14:59
pyksytelnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused14:59
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Bysmyyr_pyksy: same for me15:01
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fonix232good day everybody15:22
faenilfonix232, o/15:22
fonix232oh hey15:22
fonix232so, as faenil already knows, I have a small problem at hand15:22
fonix232I'd like to port Sailfish to some Android devices15:23
Stskeepswhich ones?15:23
fonix232specifically, the Alcatel OT-99515:23
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fonix232pretty low specs (800x480, MSM8255T SoC, 512MB RAM, 4GB NAND)15:23
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Stskeepsdoes that thing have cyanogenmod 10.1 by chance?15:24
fonix232even 11.015:24
fonix232not official, but we have it ;)15:25
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Stskeepsnod bad15:25
fonix232I had a good part in the development, testing, building, etc.15:25
Stskeepsnot bad, that is15:25
Stskeepshow about clockworkmod?15:25
fonix232any device that gets in my hands ends up with a custom CM15:25
fonix232that too15:25
fonix232lemme check the version15:25
fonix232version 6, can't say more without rebooting the phone ATM15:26
Stskeepssaw the video sledges made?15:26
fonix232the reason why I thought about porting15:26
fonix232if I can get half of that functionality, I'm happy15:26
fonix232as in, booting, screen+touch works, maybe even wifi and sound15:26
dschoepeDoes anyone know of a way to swap the actions of swiping from the top and swiping from the left? If not, pointing me to the right binary to look at would also be appreciated.15:27
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dschoepecoderus: Venemo directed me to you in #jollamobile with this question.15:30
* Marenz would want to make fonix232 getting excited about a fairphone in hopes to see sailfish os on it ;)15:30
fonix232Marenz, what's "fairphone"?15:31
Venemowat is a fairphone?15:31
Venemo this?15:31
faenilnever heard of it? it's a phone which is environmentally friendly15:31
faeniland stuff like that15:31
fonix232nop, never heard of it15:32
faenilstrange :)15:32
fonix232though their font is not eye-friendly at all15:32
fonix232and they lost me at their choice of SoC15:32
fonix232MTK as an "environmentally friendly" choice? wow15:32
fonix232much stupid, very idiot15:33
Marenzthey are not perfect, but they did some nicet hings15:33
fonix232the device itself might be green, but those SoCs produce more trash and dust and whatnot per chip than a Qcom line in a day15:33
fonix232I mean the producing ofc15:34
Venemofaenil: is the jolla also environmentally friendly? :P15:34
faenilfonix232, more than environmentally friendly it's about being "ethically friendly" I don'know how to explain, read on the website :)15:34
fonix232failure rate is way too high as they are overdriven by default, resource management sucks in general on them15:34
faenilVenemo, how would I know :P15:34
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Marenzit's mainly social friend so far ;)15:35
fonix232"From the mines to the factories, we want every worker involved in creating this smartphone to earn a fair wage."15:35
fonix232now that's another laughable part15:35
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Venemofonix232: what's so laughable about it?15:35
fonix232MTK is about on par with Foxconn in wages, workforce use and abuse, etc.15:35
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fonix232so that statement is basically rubbish15:36
MarenzOkay, we get it, MTK is bad, argument accepted. But the phone is not "all MTK"15:36
fonix232of course it is not15:36
fonix232but if you have a faulty heart, we can't say you're in perfect condition, now, can we? ;)15:37
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MarenzI said before they aren't perfect, it's the first project of that kind and of course they do mistakes15:37
Venemoalso keep in mind that there are not many alternatives15:37
fonix232there are15:37
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fonix232Rockchip for example, or even Qcom15:38
Siddeany product built in EU from the buttom up are i'll guess much more env friendly15:38
Venemoand more costly too15:38
fonix232financially might not be that worthy, yes, but they have better performance and support15:38
Marenzokay. Again. Being environment friendly wasn't the goal. It was being socially fair.15:38
Siddeand software made in america. that can't be made in perfect conditions for the workers. 2 weeks vacation and so on...15:39
Siddethat would be slave work conditions in most of europe15:39
faenilMarenz, yeah I've put it wrong :)15:39
faenilmisremembered their purpose initially15:40
fonix232look, the initiative is good, I agree with that15:40
Marenzfonix232, they took the existing model of one of the few companies they could find that would agree to their special demands regarding company conditions for the workers etc.. they modified that model a bit, redesigned it a bit and used it. They didn't built the whole phone themselves, they don't have the resources for that yet15:40
fonix232but their choice of partners, manufacturers and hardware is a bit contradictional15:40
Marenzfonix232, so they have a lot of constraints and they had to balance a lot of things against each other15:40
fonix232Marenz, I know exactly how it works, I'm working in the same business ;)15:41
fonix232well, pretty much the same15:41
Marenzokay.. It just felt like you kept bashing them without seeing anything good about it. That didn't feel fair..towards the fairphone ;)15:41
Venemofonix232: what do you do for a living?15:41
fonix232Venemo, I'm working with a company that sells specific Chinese devices15:42
fonix232mostly the HDMI sticks/Set top boxes15:42
fonix232we mostly use customized design, own set specifications, etc.15:42
fonix232hence my knowledge of the Chinese market, and to tell you the truth, I'm quite disgusted even with the bigger companies (Qcom, Samsung, etc.)15:43
fonix232though I have to agree that they are the lesser evil, they're still bad compared to EU standards15:43
fonix232but hey, otherwise we wouldn't get our cheap electronics!15:44
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Venemowho is the "greater" evil?15:44
fonix232the smaller companies who try to offer same performance at lower price15:45
fonix232it's the typical three-options-choose-two situation15:45
fonix232if it's quality and cheap, workforce is way overpaid15:45
fonix232if it's quality and workforce is treated well, it's expensive15:45
fonix232if it's cheap and the workforce is treated well, it's not so good in quality15:46
fonix232any way, back to the original question, if we could15:46
fonix232what are the steps required to port Sailfish to an Android device? :D15:47
fonix232we've taken care of the requirements - CM10.1, a custom recovery15:47
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stephgsledges any idea timeframe for N4 instructions/image?15:49
* stephg showed it to colleagues at work, they are excited15:49
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sledgesthe bigger hype community makes the sooner image is out ^_^15:50
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faenilsledges, killer strategy :D15:50
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stephgconsider it notification that people are interested :)15:57
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Venemook, whoever is NOT interested, raise your hands16:00
Venemosledges: see? everyone is interested16:00
* w00t raises his hand!16:02
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Venemosorry w00t you are late16:02
Skorpyhmm.. would be interesting to see how sailfish runs on lower end hardware. let's say, like on the ZTE Blade :P16:03
w00tSkorpy: wrong architecture16:03
w00tat least afair the blade is ARMv616:03
valdur55Skorpy: Sailfish runs on N9 :)16:03
Stskeepsno armv6 please16:04
w00tyeah.. what he said16:04
gabriel9|workthere must be some reason for people to buy jolla phone16:04
zuttothey enjoy new toys?16:05
gabriel9|workthats me16:05
gabriel9|workbut rest of them16:05
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gabriel9|workthey can buy better and cheaper hardware like nexus 416:06
gabriel9|workand have android and sailfish16:06
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Skorpyw00t: ah, ok didn't think of that16:07
gabriel9|workwhile jolla runs some android apps it is far from perfect(i did not try, just read some articles from web)16:07
gabriel9|worki ordered mine from a friend and it cost me like 450 euros16:08
Skorpyvaldur55: Already know that, but haven't had time to install yet. though I do have the Jolla already :P16:08
gabriel9|worknow im thinking maybe i should buy something else :/16:08
zuttogabriel9|work: whenever i'm starting to regret the decision before i buy anything, i dont buy it at all16:09
gabriel9|workbut i bought it :D16:09
gabriel9|workjust wait for mailman16:09
zuttonext time, consider twice :P16:09
gabriel9|workwell i had N9 for long time, and it is time to change phone. Jolla was only option until now :D16:10
gabriel9|worki can live with some low hardware specs but for the same price and cheaper i could have something better :D16:11
Siddegabriel9|work: all android-apps i've tested and i've used before works perfectly on sailfish16:11
gabriel9|worknwm, i go to code something and put a side this stupid thoughts16:11
VenemoI would've bought a Jolla even if I could've put sailfish on androids16:11
stephg(and I also love my Jolla)16:11
Siddegabriel9|work: for example banking stuff and so on. So i'm verry happy with it16:12
VenemoI bought it to express my support towards Jolla's vision and goals16:12
Siddei bought it for my selfish reasons16:12
zuttoi still havent bought jolla, and it looks like i'm not going to buy it anytime soon either :P16:13
sledgesand the-other-half hackability16:13
gabriel9|worki hope other half will be something special :D16:14
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sledgesit will be16:14
gabriel9|workjolla needs to put they hands on it16:14
gabriel9|workthey should create some othet halfs16:14
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gabriel9|workbut i gues they are over they head with fixing bugs and adding new features16:15
Marenzfonix232, do you do this in your free time or do you plan to officially have a sailfish os mobilephone in that company you work at?16:16
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fonix232Marenz, it's just a freetime project for me16:53
fonix232but there is an option for Sailfish devices, as soon as Sailfish gets a proper desktop or smartTV like interface16:54
fonix232and in proper I mean usable on those devices, as our products are mostly targeting those segments16:54
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fonix232sledges, while many would be happier for an image, I think I'm speaking for all developers when I say we'd like a guide better ;)16:55
sledgessorry: s/image/image+guide/16:58
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fonix232ah okay17:01
fonix232well, I wanna try my hand at it as soon as possible17:01
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sledgesgreat! and tell your fellow developers ;)17:02
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miksuhJolla phone does not have hdmi output :-( So does anyone know if thwew is, or will be, something like VNC server for the Sailfish?17:19
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jukeif anyone is wondering where all the nice things of qt4 webview went:
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miksuhI hope next Jolla device will have hdmi output17:26
coderusdschoepe: hack /usr/bin/lipstick17:26
coderusit have compiled qrc inside17:26
coderusfeatures you want are inside compoqitor.qml17:27
dschoepecoderus: thanks, I'll take a look17:27
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dschoepecoderus: I found some QML files inside by opening it with vim, but no way to connect it to file names. are there some specific tools that are useful for this?17:28
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coderusdschoepe: you cant just edit it. you need to hack inary to extract qml content17:40
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dschoepecoderus: are there already tools available for that? I suppose one could just inject some code that calls QFile::copy() and reuse that to extract stuff from any binary17:49
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fonix232so sledges, what's the target for this release? Either specific or generic18:19
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john24hey guys18:25
john24got an SQL question18:25
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john24I made an update for my app which before had 4 values in the datatase now and it has 518:26
john24and obviosuly it work anymore as databse ios complaining18:26
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john24is the only way to make it work is to delete it?18:27
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jupajacan someone help me have some truble with my spec :(18:36
tbrjohn24: you should be able to check for the layout and convert the database18:37
john24so fheck if it has 5 collums? if it does do nothing if not add a collumn?18:37
fonix232john24 there's an SQL command to update the database to a newer layout18:38
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fonix232a simple Google search reveals this hidden feature ;)18:38
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john24ahhh i see, so what to check for number or collums or something else?18:40
john24yes import QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0 as Sql18:41
john24I am storing user settings18:41
john24implemented a feature and no need to store 5 values instead of 4, but obviously the current datase that users have only has 4 collums18:42
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john24So i am looking for a way when they update to update the database as well18:42
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john24I already have a function to drop a table would it be possible to run on when installing? to remove the old table?18:50
coderusdschoepe: no ready tools. you shoul ddo it yourself.18:51
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fonix232hey coderus long time no talk18:56
coderusfonix232: hello :)18:57
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hoelzrojust submitted my first application to the Harbour! \o/19:03
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dschoepecoderus: thanks, I'll give it a try when I have time19:20
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jupaja<— to geeky  to get the .spec to work :( try to understand the error19:28
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cos-i still have wakeup issues with my app. when i tested it, it ran with ~50 wakeups but harbour qa says it uses >8019:36
cos-but yes, there is probably something wrong as it should be idle when nothing happens. those are really difficult to debug.19:36
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HartziSigh.. Can someone tell me how I can get geogoordinates from a mouseclick according to this:
HartziI really don't get it ;|20:10
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mhall119Hartzi: keep in mind those docs are for Ubuntu, even the Qt ones may not align perfectly with what's in Sailfish20:14
Hartzimhall119: Doesn't matter in this case20:15
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jupajamay some one has an idea
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dschoepeIs it me or is Jolla using some kind of obfuscation in their binaries? For instance, I keep seeing a pattern like this when loading string addresses into a register: -- or is this some ARM idiom I'm unaware of?21:20
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AcceDoes someone know how to make the BusyIndicator work in an app cover? setting running to true makes it visible but it's frozen21:27
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coderusdschoepe: what wrong? just regular addressing21:47
coderusAcce: running: visible21:48
dschoepecoderus: Why does it use that address with something subtracted from it and then add pc to it to inverse the subtraction?21:49
dschoepewouldn't "ldr r1, aDesktop" work jsut as well?21:49
Stskeepsdschoepe: i think we can fairly well say that we haven't had time for obfuscation21:50
dschoepecoderus: oh, I see, it's needed to get to the actual address in memory, nevermind.21:50
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dschoepeStskeeps: yeah, sorry, my mistake.21:50
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artemmaDo you know if Sailfish uses same lipstick as nemo?21:56
Stskeepsas in, library?21:56
artemmaStskeeps: yes21:56
Stskeepsit does, though sometimes it may be held back at an earlier commit21:56
artemmaThing is QuickLauncher uses same library (well, slightly modified), but apparently start apps in different way21:56
artemmacomments in store claim that invoker isn't used21:56
artemmaand exactly Browser crashes when I try starting it via LauncherItem::launchApplication21:58
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artemmaThough.. hmm, maybe exactly LauncherItem::launchApplication is obsolete and Sailfish uses something else in fact?21:58
Hartzidoes anyone know how I can use this on QML: Coordinate MapMouseArea::mouseToCoordinate(MouseEvent event). I want to tranform mouse coordinates to geocoordinates but I don't know the syntax21:59
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* artemma goes to have a look at Browser crashlog and see how Browser is started22:00
artemmaStskeeps: how do I decode .lzo crashlogs?22:02
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artemmaStskeeps: and BTW crashlogs I've sent to you. Anything useful there? Makes sense to continue sending?22:03
Stskeepsartemma: lzop -d i think it was22:03
Stskeepsartemma: there's been some good stuff but we're not there yet22:03
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artemmalzop.. some mer specific tool I guess?22:04
artemmaah there's some file compressor called lzop22:04
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artemmahmm, I am trying to launch browser using Exec line from its desktop: "invoker --type=silica-qt5 -s /usr/bin/sailfish-browser %U"22:13
artemmaand it doesn't start22:13 is not found, in /usr/share/applications/libxul.so22:13
artemmainvoker: error: Can't send signal 11 to application [31899]: No such process22:13
artemmaHow does real lipstick start browser then?22:14
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artemmaAL13N: I am looking at lipstick code right now22:14
AL13Nor maybe just ENV vars needed22:14
artemmaLauncherItem::launchApplication seems to just run that invoker line22:15
valdur55AL13N: why you don't just type  sailfish-browser  into terminal22:15
artemmawell, that's what my quick launcher does too, using same code, but it doesn't work22:15
AL13Nartemma: but, does it use launchApplication?22:15
artemmavaldur55: typing sailfish-browser to command line worked22:16
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artemmaAL13N: that's the question, I don't know for sure how lipstick starts apps22:16
AL13Nmaybe strace can tell you22:16
artemmaLauncherItem was my guess, but it might be some obsolete way22:16
AL13Nor gdb with breakpoints22:16
artemmaI can't debug lipstick me thinks22:17
artemmastrtace.. never used it before22:17
artemmawell, maybe it's time to learn22:17
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artemmaAL13N: but don't I need to strace actual lipstick then? Can I do it if it's running already?22:18
AL13Ngood question22:18
AL13Nperhaps gdb is easier to attach it22:18
artemmawell, now that Stskeeps confirmed sailfish os uses non-modified nemo lipstick, maybe I ask on nemo channel22:18
artemmaI used gdb maybe a couple of times in the past..22:19
AL13Ngood idea22:19
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artemmaand I don't have ailfish version of lipstick anyway22:19
AL13Nasking nemo or a jolla dev would be quite faster22:19
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AL13Nor maybe Venemo knows22:20
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VenemoAL13N: sorry, what do I know?22:20
AL13Nif apps are launched with lipstick's LauncherItem::launchApplication or not22:22
artemmaI am asking at nemo already, I guess that's the proper channel22:22
coderusartemma: xdg-open /usr/share/applications/sailfish-browser.desktop22:22
AL13Nartemma: you could perhaps "strace -f xdg-open file.desktop" if you want to find out the inner function calls22:24
artemmacoderus: thanks, xdg-open works22:24
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artemmawill try stracing it now22:24
AL13Nbtw: anyone got a VLC build someplace?22:24
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artemmaI am still puzzled why lipstick's LauncherItem doesn't actually start app though. Whole idea of reusing lipstick was to reuse launching method that is 100% identical to real lipstick22:25
AL13Ni guess you'll find out soon enough22:26
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* artemma just found that real lipstick uses same method for detecting whether it's android icon as I do. Checks for presence of "/" in icon id. And I thought that was a silly quick solution :)22:29
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artemmahmm, lipstick-colorful-home delegates seem to call same launchApplication as I do… maybe some environment differences?22:30
artemmaReading error message when trying to start browser using exec line again: is not found, in /usr/share/applications/libxul.so22:32
artemmawhat does this libxpcom do?22:32
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AL13Nmaybe the LD_LIBRARY_PATH has been set22:34
AL13Nand you didn't22:34
AL13Nhave you tried to find where the is?22:35
artemmaAL13N: doing it now..22:35
artemmaand googling. So far googles only that it's some mozilla object comms model22:35
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AL13Nartemma: it's probably a required library for libxul.so22:44
AL13Nthis means the isn't in the ld.conf paths22:45
artemmaAL13N: doesn't tell much to me :/22:45
AL13Nso it can't find it22:45
artemmaand I am not sure why it's needed at all22:45
AL13Nso you need to find out where that library is22:45
artemmathough though.. maybe launcheritem loads it dynamically22:45
AL13Nand see if LD_LIRBRARY_PATH is set before execution22:45
artemmafind is still running from root22:45
AL13Nor from a certain working directory22:46
artemmaharbour doesn't allow setting it anyway. Though RPATH might get the same effect22:46
* artemma wonders why exactly Browser launching is different22:46
AL13Nno, i doubt that, i'm pretty sure it's a direct symbol requirement22:46
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AL13Nif you had ldd you could check with ldd libxul.so22:47
* artemma is reading launchApplication code again22:47
AL13Nartemma: might have relative paths22:47
artemmaheck, everything is does is QProcess::startDetached22:47 is not found on device :/22:48
artemmaah, it's actually invoker error22:49
artemmaand indeed it seems to be using libxul.so22:49 is not found, in //libxul.so22:49
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AL13Nwell, xul is pretty important for a gecko browser :-)22:50
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AL13Nit would be odd if it didn't have that22:50
artemmaso I might need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the process environment that launches browser...22:50
AL13Nartemma: you could strace both ways to find out eh differences22:50
artemmaah, so it is a browser crash indeed then, not the invoker's22:50
AL13Nstrace will tell you for sure22:50
* artemma went to search for strace tutorial22:50
AL13Njust run "strace -f command"22:51
AL13Nbe prepared for a lot of stderr output22:51
AL13Nso better redirect to a file22:51
AL13Ngotta go sleep22:51
artemmaAL13N: thanks a lot!22:51
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artemmahmm, strace isn't present on device22:52
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artemmaokay, then a working guess is that lipstick uses a particular set of environment variables, that my app doesn't copy, but xdg-open does22:53
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Hartziokay I found a solution to my problen that I mentioned earlier: map.toCoordinate(Qt.point(mouse.x, mouse.y))23:01
Hartziand it took 4 f*cking hours. Some parts of the QT documentation are totally useless sh*t..23:03
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artemmaarrgh, I'll just call xdg-open from the launcher23:31
artemmastill don't get what's the environment difference that matters23:31
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artemmamaybe difference is in that real lipstick is run by root23:41
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artemmathough can't see why it would change how libraries are searched23:41
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artemmano real lipstick is run also by nemo23:44
artemmajust with some extra command line arguments about keyboard23:45
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