Friday, 2014-01-24

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edyyHello, I would like to create an application like "a+b=c" in QML using PySide. However I dont know how to manage TextInput in PySide. My question is
M4rtinKedyy: PySide currently does not work on Sailfish00:18
edyyI see00:18
M4rtinKedyy: but you can use PyOtherSide00:18
edyyI asked that because thp is here =)00:18
M4rtinKhe sure is :)00:18
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M4rtinKedyy: anyway, a few links:00:19
edyyMartin I tryed to install pyotherside on ubuntu 13.10 but It gave error00:19
M4rtinKoh, you know it00:19
edyyThank you martin, I will check this :)00:19
M4rtinKwell, you need to build it currently00:19
M4rtinKbasically just make sure you have Qt devel packages & Python 3 devel packages installed00:20
M4rtinKclone PyOtherSide from git00:20
M4rtinKand then run00:20
M4rtinKsudo make install00:20
M4rtinKand that's basically it :)00:20
edyyI applied them as README ınstructions00:20
edyynow I will try it this time on fedora :)00:20
M4rtinKI'm on Fedora and I can report it works fine :)00:21
M4rtinKcould be Ubuntu has broken Qt packaging or something00:21
edyycool now I try to install pyotherside :00:21
edyyyes.. It has problem with some pyqt5 packages00:22
edyyforexample pyqt5.2(daily build), ıt chashes00:22
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mhall119qt5.2 isn't in Ubuntu yet01:06
mhall119to my knowledge01:06
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coderusdaily builds in ppa always02:14
edyyANYONE KNOW HOW TO CONTROL TextInput with PySide :)02:15
edyyI dont know PySide is a good idea for developing QML application02:16
edyyjust a few people try work on it..02:17
edyyPySİDE QML documentation is not enough..02:17
edyyJavaScript is better for QML but it doesnt have rich library like python02:19
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locusfmorning, isn't /home/nemo/.config/$NAME allowed anymore as database path?09:00
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smokexlocusf: apparently you have to use QStandardPaths::writableLocation(QStandardPaths::HomeLocation)09:03
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Zotgedhas anyone had any luck enabling usb networking on sailfish on n9? I'm running v1.0.2.5 (vgrade r5.1), ssh over wifi works fine but I must have a driver issue with usb09:06
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ZotgedI'm running windows 7 and debian 7, doesn't work with either one09:06
Zotgedusb networking with ubiboot resque mode works properly with Nokia Ethernet/rndir drivers on windows 7, sailfish however doesn't, and none of the rndis drivers I've tried so far work09:07
Bysmyyr_Zotged: in my ubuntu connection worked nice after I choosed ip manually to my computer09:07
Zotgedany pointers?09:07
locusfsmokex: no, I gotta use XDG_CONFIG_HOME09:08
Zotgedthere's actually another thing I'm wondering: there are two "developer modes" listed on usb settings on sailfish09:09
Zotgedwhat's that all about?09:09
ynezzHi, I'm probably missing the big picture, but where could one find information about the building of the OS? I would like to take a deeper look at the system running on Jolla and there's not much information about it (maybe I'm just looking at the wrong places).09:10
jukkaeklundynezz, did you check
pp_debian should be easy to debug, after plugging in you should get some noise about rndis in dmesg09:12
ynezzjukkaeklund: yes I did09:12
jukkaeklundok, did you find Mer and Nemo mobile there?09:13
tbrynezz: same as nemo essentially, just sprinkle on UI layers and some hw-adaptation and 3rd-party binaries09:13
ynezztbr: ok, so there are no "official" docs (yet?) about building own Jolla image, flashing etc?09:14
Zotgedpp_: I'll take a look09:14
tbrynezz: 'build nemo image, ensure it works, add UI layer'09:14
tbrynezz: look at what's done for the N9/N95009:14
ynezzok, thanks09:15
tbrthere is even a kickstarter file09:15
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tbron images.formeego.org09:15
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tbrthere is a github repo by vgrade for this too09:16
ynezzso basically, jolla is using "truly open" system, but isn't that open itself?09:17
tbrthere are binaries here and there. things are opening up slowly09:21
tbrsome won't09:21
tbre.g. hardware adaptation → 3rd party09:21
tbruser-space 3rd party apps/libraries09:22
specialbut it is worth noting that all of the work done on the base system (mer) and middleware (nemo) is done in the open.09:22
tbryes, I found it highly amusing how people were clamoring for more information and it was all there last year in nemo and mer. :-D09:22
ynezzwell, it's not that clear09:23
ynezznow with that kickstart file it's more clear to me09:23
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ynezzand if for example I take lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 package from that kickstart file, where is the corresponding source code?09:25
ynezzI can find nemo/lipstick09:25
tbrthat's currently a closed package AFAIU09:26
tbrwell not very closed as it probably contains QML...09:26
tbrat least I've seen patches on TJC09:26
ynezzok, wrong example :)09:27
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jukewhere the location for qml files is defined in the project? in my .pro the qml files under OTHER_FILES have different path than what is actually installed. the rpm contains the qml directory i have in project's folder12:36
juke this is my directory structure12:39
jukeand in .pro i have the qml-files paths with ../qml/file.qml12:39
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jukeso what goes in to the rpm is not what says in .pro12:40
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jukeso i'm trying to build multiple apps from same source12:43
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jukei tried symlinking ../qml to project-folder's qml but then i have only the symlink in my rpm12:46
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kaltsijuke: I'm not sure that kind of symlinking is supported by rpm too well12:54
jukei only tried symlinking because defining paths in .pro didn't work12:54
jukeif qml dir's location can be defined some where that would solve the issue12:55
kaltsiyou probably can't include directories that are outside your rpm directory to packaging12:57
kaltsior 'higher' than your rpm dir12:58
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jukei find it weird that only the dir named qml is copied to the buildbox, i must be redefinable somewhere12:59
kaltsithe way rpm usually works is that you have a foo.tar.gz and a foo.spec (plus patches) in the same directory and rpmbuild can operate on that kind of dir structure.. our rpmbuild has some patches that allows it to operate without the tarball directly on a source tree12:59
edips_hi, How to control TextInput Qml component in c++ or PySide?13:01
edips_QML GUI:
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jukekaltsi, should i add a build step for copying the resources to a right place or what?13:03
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coderusedips_: you again?13:04
coderusthere are no "PySide"13:04
coderusthere is PyOtherSide13:04
kaltsijuke: I don't really know.. I've never tested such a dir structure13:04
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edips_c++ can be too13:04
edips_Hey I couldnt install pyotherside, so ım working on pyside-qml13:05
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coderusbut what problem with textinput?13:07
edips_I want to control TextInput like a+b=c13:08
edips_as given picture13:08
coderusthis channel for sailfish specific questions13:09
coderusif you newible in programming you need to learn13:09
edips_thp here :)13:09
coderusfirst of all read qt articles and use oogle13:09
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coderusgoogle *13:10
edips_well, I am working on developing android apps using pyside-qml13:10
edips_I asked there a question, SailfishOS will be available for android devices or not13:10
edips_and some people said it can be future, it is possible13:10
coderusit need to be ported to each device13:10
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coderusno official images or so13:11
coderusit will be available *if* anyone will make ot13:11
coderusmake it*13:11
edips_so If it is possible I will install sailfishos rom and I can develop sailfishOS app13:11
coderusbut first you need to learn programming at all ;)13:11
edips_I am not developer, I just want to develop calculator program for engineering, so I dont need to spend too much time for that13:12
edips_just calculator example can be enough :)13:13
edips_I already will learn programming in time13:13
kaltsiedips_: there is a calculator project in qt creator's welcome page (tutorials tab)13:13
coderuscalculator is very easy13:13
edips_but when I learn new things with programming, I want to write new codes to my application13:14
coderusyou need to get any calculator sources and look how it works13:14
edips_kaltsi, I know, but It is about QML-javascript calculator13:14
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edips_I need QML-PySİde calculator13:14
kaltsioh ok13:14
coderusedips_: no difference in general agorytms13:14
coderusif you wand c++ read c++/qml articles13:15
coderusand so on13:15
edips_I took a look c++-QML calculator, but they dont control QML's ID in c++, like QT Designer's object name13:15
coderusit shouldnt13:16
edips_I typed calculator with AS3, PySide and C#13:16
edips_but I dont know how to do it with QML in python13:16
coderussame with c++13:16
coderusyou not using qml from c++/python13:16
edips_I also study c++-QML examlpes, but I dont know anything about c++13:17
coderusyou using c++/python from qml13:17
edips_I see13:17
edips_now I check QT's documentation about c++-QML13:17
edips_also I had this question13:18
coderusfor general cases you just executing c++ funcs from qml and read it results13:18
coderusyour question is wrong13:19
edips_My english is not good :)13:19
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coderusits not english problem13:19
edips_WHat is wrong?13:19
coderusyou using python from calculatinos and so on13:20
coderusyou not "*using* textinput in python"13:20
coderusyou already have qml gui with textinputs and buttons13:20
coderusso you executing python/c++ from qml13:21
coderusnot in reverse way :)13:21
edips_It is an example. Actually If anyone answer this, everybody can understand usage of TextInput13:21
coderusits very trivial13:21
coderusyou really need to learn more13:21
edips_If TextInput can be used with calculator example, This can be used for another purposes too.. like e-mail..13:22
edips_yes I am new to programming..13:22
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coderusits very easy, you just need to learn and read more13:22
edips_Ok :)13:22
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coderususage c++ from qml will help you :)13:23
edips_Thank you13:23
edips_What do you think about libraries of c++? c++ has rich libraries like Python?13:24
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coderusits qt13:26
coderusits most feature rich libraries13:27
edips_forexample we can import easy python modules to QT GUI, c++ can also import modules to the GUI ?(installed libraries in Linux)13:28
edips_thats cool13:30
coderusqml was designed for qt13:30
coderuspython is for lazyness13:30
edips_c++ can manage QML GUI with its ID or signals, functions?13:30
coderusqt can do everything with qml13:31
edips_So we can also display SQL databases in QML GUI using QT13:32
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coderusstop it, you can do EVERYTHING with qt13:32
edips_That's good :)13:32
edips_Yesterday I did M4rtinK's instructions for installation of PyOtherSide13:34
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edips_when i run "sudo make install" I got this error13:35
edips_cd src/ && ( test -e Makefile || /usr/bin/qmake-qt5 /home/edip/Downloads/pyotherside-master/src/ -o Makefile ) && make -f Makefile install Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: quick qml make: *** [sub-src-install_subtargets-ordered] Error 313:35
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coderusseems your qtchooser wasnt switced for qt513:36
edips_I ran it on Fedora, also I installed QT5 base as default13:37
coderusor you gave no development packages for building13:37
edips_I tryed to install on ubuntu too, It gave same error..13:37
edips_I installed many modules of QT5, python3 is already installed.. I dont know13:38
coderusyou need -dev packages13:38
edips_coderus, what do you mean with development packages for building?13:39
edips_M4rtin said, install QT devels13:39
edips_I installed QT5's devel packages13:39
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coderusall packages?13:40
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edips_But I didnt install phonon packages13:40
edips_maybe %90 of QT5 are installed13:41
edips_I also installed all QT5 packages on ubuntu with synaptics. However It didnt install13:42
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jukewhere are the commands specified in .spec executed? on the developer's machine or buildbox?13:47
coderusjuke: build ofc13:48
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jukei give up, it's easier just to copy the resources when building rpm13:51
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jukebut it is unholy13:51
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coderusyou can use mb build for that14:12
coderusrpmbuild not executing files resources afaik14:13
juke does this mean i can't use Qt5SystemInfo or Qt5Positioning in my app if i want to have it available on harbour?14:13
coderusjuke: you cant for now14:14
jukei just wasted 1 month's worth of work14:14
Andy80is anyone of you coming to this Qt event in London ?14:15
edips_Fortunatelly I installed PyOtherSide14:16
edips_This I didnt use system's QT5,I used QT5 installed in /home..14:17
Hartzijuke: take it like you saved a month's worth of work in future14:17
joonahoijuke: it will be supported eventually14:17
Hartzijuke: what is your app?14:17
joonahoijuke: also most of the people also use apps from openrepos14:18
Hartziyou can also upload it into openrepos14:18
joonahoiwhich doesn't pose such restrictions on used libraries14:18
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edips_ /home/edip/Qt5.2.0/5.2.0/gcc_64/bin/qmake, instead of qmake14:19
edips_then "make", "make install"14:19
edips_running an example "/home/edip/Qt5.2.0/5.2.0/gcc_64/bin/qmlscene examples/simple/simple.qml"14:19
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jukejoonahoi, any idea of the timetable for qt5systeminfo?14:23
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jukeit says in the faq that i could ship those dependencies with the app?14:32
joonahoijuke: no, sorry :/14:33
juketo the timetable or deps?14:35
coderusjuke: it depends on Qt timetable14:35
joonahoithe timetable14:35
joonahoiqt5systeminfo seems to be in repos already14:35
coderusjoonahoi: both are in repos14:35
coderusbut unstable for harbour14:36
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jukeso can i bundle the libs with my app?14:41
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roborommm what have I done wrong here... I defined a silicaflickable and it has a pulldown menu etc... when I build... I can see that there is a glow at the top of the screen to indicate that the menu is there... but it just doesn't respond to a pulley-down gesture15:21
roboronothing in my debug log suggesting anything is wrong15:22
roboroI can run it on emulator or device and the same behaviour... I must have done something wrong15:22
roboroon other pages it works fine15:22
roboroanything obvious to look out for?15:22
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roboroah... my brackets were in the wrong places :D15:26
roboromy bad15:26
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edips_have a good coding15:28
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lainwir3droboro: shit happens15:31
lainwir3dfought with a silicaflickable earlier too15:31
roborolainwir3d: yeah... took me ages to find that... bloody errant }15:31
lainwir3d(he won)15:31
roboroI'm usually a python dev... surround crap in brackets kills me15:32
lainwir3dnew to qml/qtquick too15:32
roboroyeah... and so many annoying things :D:D:D15:33
lainwir3dnot really used to these languages15:33
lainwir3despecially javascript... ewwww15:33
roborommm code is taking a very very long time to develop a pretty simple app15:33
lainwir3dsame here. Maybe I should have started with QML / c++15:34
roboroho hum... its all part of the learning curve15:34
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lainwir3dprobably :-) that's why i'm keeping up !15:34
roboroyeah... trying to get on top of this now before sailfish catches a real wind :)15:35
lainwir3dwhat are you coding ?15:35
roborosimple tune finding app for traditional folk music15:35
roborothere is a site called thesession.org15:35
roboroyou can search for tunes there and it gives you abc format15:36
roboroI'm going to make an app for it and then convert the abc to sheetmusic and tab15:36
roborodepending on your settings15:36
roborothought it would be a nice and simple way to get started... and I play mandolin... so thought it might be handy15:37
lainwir3dseems pretty hard for a first app lol15:37
lainwir3dprobably :)15:37
roboroheh... I always run a mile when I see 'hello world'15:37
roboroI like to dive into something complicated to begin with... it takes longer but I learn a lot in one go15:38
roboroso far the basics are down15:38
roboroI have a tune database... and the app is able to query the site and download tune info15:38
lainwir3dnearly finished with mine15:38
roboroI'm ironing out some bugs15:38
lainwir3dat least for a first "basic" version15:38
roboroand providing more options15:38
roborowhat are you coding?15:38
lainwir3da RPN calculator15:39
roborommm maths wiz?15:39
lainwir3dsince I learned to use one I just can't use a normal calculator anymore15:39
lainwir3dmaths wiz ?15:39
lainwir3dwiz as in wizard ?15:39
roboroheh yeah...15:40
lainwir3dnot really15:40
lainwir3dit's just a different way to enter formulas15:40
lainwir3dit's not that hard to code15:40
lainwir3deasier than a usual calculator15:41
roborommm I never got RPN... too lazy to learn15:41
lainwir3dwell it's true you needs a few days to adapt15:41
lainwir3dbut it's worth it IMO15:41
roborodepends how often you use a calculator15:42
roboroif you're a genius like me... it all happens in your head (NOT!)15:42
lainwir3dhahaha :D15:42
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janmalteI can't get root access to sailfish on the N9. Logging in as nemo works fine, but 'su' and entering the nemo password results in: su: Authentication failure15:49
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sremesjanmalte: devel-su?15:49
dawnbringerdevel-su should work15:50
janmalteresults in: Auth failed15:50
janmaltecan I reset the password with mounting on boot as Alt_OS?15:50
janmalteI removed the root password from the /etc/shadow like state here:
coderusjanmalte: su requires root passwrd15:52
coderusdevel-su requires nemo passwd15:52
janmaltethanks, but devel-su doesn't work with the same password as the login with 'ssh nemo@n9withsailfish'15:54
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jukecoderus, now i got what you meant by INSTALLS in .pro file. it solved sharing the qml files issue. thanks!15:58
jukeit was like three days ago so you don't probably remember :D15:59
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dawnbringerjanmalte, are you sure you edited /etc/shadow correctly?16:02
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janmalteyes, i'm quite sure16:05
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dawnbringerjanmalte, and 'su' does ask for password before the error?16:17
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dawnbringerif so, you should not enter anything and just press enter16:19
janmalteOk, i will try it16:20
janmalteSame result: Authentication failure16:22
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janmalteMaybe I will try to replace SailfishOS with a new version.16:24
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janmalteI have to use it now, because the Meego on the device got broken and the version is a PR1.3_006. Therefor no reflashing of the device is possible16:25
janmalteI'm using the good old N900 as a fallback device right now16:25
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dawnbringerjanmalte: right, I don't even have a Nokia phone so I can't be sure16:28
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janmaltethanks anyway16:29
dawnbringercould you paste the root line your /etc/shadow16:29
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janmalteIt is exactly the same as here:
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dawnbringertry root::0:0...16:37
janmalteOk, I will try it later16:43
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jukei think i got the libraries bundled with the rpm16:48
jukebut i still need Webkit.experimental16:48
jukecan qml libraries be bundled as well?16:50
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john24hey guys, is there a direct way to contact Jolla harbour staff?17:09
Stskeepsi wouldn't expect much reply until monday though17:09
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john24I see because I send an update with new icons and screenshots17:10
john24but they didn't update the icon and deleted the screenshots from the store page17:10
john24and now all users getting update issues17:10
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john24sent an email to developer-care hope it get's fixed17:15
john24also is it possible top make a file browser out of xmllist model?17:16
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walokraffuuu, got my sdk messed up on os x and decided to start clean. now is not available19:40
walokrayeah, google found it19:46
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walokraat work fought against oracle's oepe and now with qt :)19:47
walokrasome days are not meant for development19:47
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meShell:) yes I know what you mean, have such days, too! Fully motivated to do concentrated work and then something is ***ed up and needs hours to set up again.19:50
meShellhdd crashes ....19:50
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tortoisedoc_can anyone from the MER team tell me if wayland subsurfaces protocol is supported on sailfish?20:31
Stskeepsit's not, yet20:31
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Stskeepswe're on wayland 1.1.020:32
tortoisedoc_Stskeeps : thanks20:32
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tortoisedoc_but it is planned?20:32
tortoisedoc_(at some point maybe in the different obscure unknoweable future?)20:32
Stskeepsat some point in the different, obscure, unknownable future20:32
Stskeepsbigger fish to try at first20:33
tortoisedoc_Stskeeps: bigger fish? which one?20:33
Stskeepswell, qt5.220:34
Stskeepsin practice we can't really do much about subsurfaces from a performance pov until then20:34
tortoisedoc_due to wayland imp on current qt or other reasons?20:36
Stskeepsdue to the fact that to draw full advantage of it, you need to be able to integrate well with the hw composer20:37
Stskeepsand overllay those subsurfaces as factual hw layers that should composited20:37
Stskeepsand that's not easy in 5.120:37
tortoisedoc_hmm I thought hw composer is implemented on top of qt?20:38
tortoisedoc_(i.e. lipstick?)20:39
tortoisedoc_but perhaps this is wrong interpretation from my side :)20:40
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Stskeepsin practice it just flips buffers20:41
Stskeepsit should do so much more20:42
tortoisedoc_ok I see, so actual compositor logic is indeed in qml20:44
Stskeepsthe challenge on the hwcomposer that the jolla1 device has, is that it practically is useful only for let's say, drawing something with opengl and then overlaying random hw buffers on top20:44
tortoisedoc_jolla1 ? is there a jolla2 on the way? :D20:44
Stskeepsand this means any direct rendering (which becomes a black screen mixed with a overlay) needs to go in lockstep with the qml scenegraph20:44
Stskeepsi just call it jolla1 as it's the first one20:45
Stskeepsi should have named my son son1..20:45
tortoisedoc_ver 1.020:45
tortoisedoc_ver 2.020:45
tortoisedoc_or better20:45
tortoisedoc_me ver 2.020:45
tortoisedoc_me ver 3.020:45
tortoisedoc_and on if you have more haha20:46
tortoisedoc_jokes apart20:46
tortoisedoc_so this qml compositor pretty much kills atm the subsurface concept20:46
Stskeepswell, not entirely20:46
tortoisedoc_hmm no?20:46
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Stskeepsin practice you'll often have a let's say, YUV buffer in your application that you want to overlay with a OSD20:46
Stskeepsand it doesn't make any kind of sense to do that overlaying in the app, just pass it down to the HW composer20:47
StskeepsYUV being video20:47
Stskeepsthere's a number of other scenarios where that also makes sense20:47
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tortoisedoc_this means Ill have to wait for qt 5.2 then :P20:50
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tortoisedoc_unless there is another way to get video working on non-fullscreen on current qt..20:51
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meShellhmmm did someone try to send/receive btrfs snapshots from the phone? Always get "could not resolve root_id " ...22:28
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edips_hi, is it possible to run PyOtherSide with Android with QT5 and Python3?23:10
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smokexis there a changelog in
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