Sunday, 2014-01-26

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hurdmanhello folks09:15
hurdmani have found your website and download the sdk, it's very interesting. But Where can i find an OS builder ore someting like that to run it on my own dev board ?09:18
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Stskeepswhat dev board, out of interest?09:19
hurdmanStskeeps: it's a MarsBoard
hurdmanStskeeps: i use to "play" with09:20
hurdmani ever have my own buildroot+qy5 apps run on it ^^09:20
Stskeepsmmm android 4.0 might be a bit too old09:22
hurdmanStskeeps: i doesn't like android09:22
Stskeepsyeah, i don't either, but, it provides useful hardware adaptation apis that are typically not available09:22
tbrfor 3D in wayland you need android libs09:23
hurdmani'm I was forced to work for android work on a project of access control, but I prefer my personal projects on embedded linux ^ ^09:23
hurdmantbr: the android libc version or others things ?09:24
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tbryes bionic based libs and access through libhybris09:26
Stskeepsnew record: i'm not writing my fosdem slides on the plane journey there..09:26
tbryou'll write them 5min before the talk instead? ;)09:27
Stskeepshehe, got 34 slides already09:27
Stskeepswill probably size it down a bit09:27
Stskeepsi just have too much material09:27
hurdmanStskeeps: Technical introduction to the deeper parts of SailfishOS, a Qt5-Wayland based mobile OS <= it's your speech ?09:28
Stskeepshurdman: aye09:28
hurdmanarf i doesn't go to fosdem this year :'(09:28
hurdmani will see the video ^^"09:30
hurdmantbr: so, i have to build an ndk for my board first ? before build a sailfish for it ?09:31
tbrhurdman: no, usually you'd go and salvage an "Android BSP" that was provided by the vendor09:32
hurdmantbr: i have ever a jelly 4.2.*** very patched own that nearly works09:34
tbrdoes 3d acceleration work on it?09:35
hurdmantbr: never test :/09:35
hurdmantbr: but it works on my linux ^^09:36
hurdmantbr: 4.2 is not too old ?09:38
tbr4.2 is OK09:38
tbryou need an 3d accelerated wayland in the end09:38
hurdmani'll rebuild it and test 3D09:38
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hurdmanand where can I find the files build a sailsfish OS?09:49
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tbrhurdman: you basically port nemo-mobile and then can layer on sailfish09:53
hurdmantbr: ok, first i port nemo, after i back her ?09:53
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tbr#nemomobile-porters is about that and you'll likely find people interested in sailfish there too09:55
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hurdmantbr: ok thx10:13
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Andy80a bit OT question (please note: I don't want to do this on Jolla): do you know (in general) if it's possible to change the IMEI of a phone (supposing you have full root access) or is it something hardcoded in the HW? Thanks13:21
tbrit's usually hard13:23
tbre.g. written into a signed flash file or area13:23
tbror only accessible by the baseband13:23
Andy80that's what I imagined.... thanks :)13:24
tbrsometimes it's possible though, e.g. if it's only protected by a checksum13:24
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tbrlots of obscurity usually too13:24
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piggznot many uses outside of enabling a stolen phone ;)13:25
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Andy80piggz, a friend of mine asked me this question twice and I really didn't know what to answer. Before saying "it's not possible" and maybe appearing un-skilled, I wanted to be sure it was possible or not. (he's trying to do it on an Android phone anyway).13:27
Andy80and at this point I really don't want to know why he's trying to do this :)13:27
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Andy80I hate when friends suppose "you're a developer so you must know it" -.-'13:31
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piggzi just got a first port done to ios ... sailfish sdks jut installed tooo (got a new laptop, and its a pita re-installing all my sdks)13:32
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elenrilwhat would be the best way to automatically bring the usb network interface up when connected15:40
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tbron the PC side?15:41
elenrilon the jolla side15:42
tbrset usb mode to developer15:42
elenrilthat only creates the interface, but i still have to manually ip l set rndis0 up on the jolla15:42
elenrilis this a bug?15:43
tbrsounds b0rken15:43
tbrif I connect my jolla it brings up the interface with the preset IP15:43
tbrdo you have openssh active under developer mode?15:44
elenrilbtw i also get different hw address on each connection15:44
elenrilpossibly related15:44
tbrwhich firmware version are you on?15:45
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elenrilthe latest one15:45
tbrI haven't checked the MAC on the device side, but on the PC side I think it's stable15:46
elenrilfwiw i see something like 'generating random mac address' in dmesg output on jolla15:46
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tbractually no, seems it still changes15:47
tbror it is the one of my other jolla15:47
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tbrtime to check...15:47
elenrilanyway, do you know which part of the system is responsible for bringing the interface up?15:48
tbrah, it was my other jolla15:48
elenrilah..i get it15:49
elenrilmaybe the reason was that i didn't set the address in settings15:49
elenrili was actually connecting through ipv6 link-local addresses before15:50
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elenrilipv6 is the best thing ever ;)15:51
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tbrsure, unless your mac changes all the time, then trying link local sucks15:54
elenrilnah, ping6 -I usb0 ip6-allnodes will get me everything i need15:54
tbrsure, extra step though15:55
elenrilyes, but setting a static address has some potential for conflicts if i connect the phone to several machines in different networks15:57
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elenrilso the wlan driver is closed too...17:30
pp_elenril: if I understood correctly a (not-necessarily-functioning) version is in the staging tree nowadays17:35
elenrilyes, just found something similar-looking17:36
elenrilbut it looks a little different17:37
elenrilat least there's hope for an open version at some point17:37
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coderus1.0.3.3 released18:01
coderusdownloading update on my N9, wanna see how it will be kileld by:
Aardcoderus: no, it's not :)18:02
Aardcoderus: and the systemd update is not in.18:02
elenrilhmm, so the only closed kernel modules are wlan and mysatroker?18:02
elenrilwhat about the gpu?18:03
coderusAard: i see systemd update in packages list18:03
Aardyes, but not the one I announced. it's not 3 months yet :p18:03
coderusokay, thanks :)18:03
YanielI don't see it yet :/18:06
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AardYaniel: because it's not released.18:07
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* tbr throws kitty treats at khertan's computer18:10
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pp_hopefully not naamapalmujärvi18:12
walokrawas just writing that :)18:12
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khertanùùmok,cv c,,n:l                  mmmmmmmmmm m l lllllkkkk h,,v,18:19
goroborocoderus: hi18:19
coderusgoroboro: hello :)18:20
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iekkukhertan's child or cat, hello18:20
khertan sorry daughter play with the keyboard18:20
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goroborocoderus: I added a c project to to use OBS and I keep getting an unresolvable... nothing provides gcc, make, binutils etc...18:20
goroborocoderus: any idea what I've done wrong?18:21
ottulokhertan: I've been meaning to ask, have you halted developing bitpurse for sailfish, or are you just waiting for some libs or such?18:21
ottulokhertan: just want to know if it's possibly coming at some point18:21
khertanottulo, it ll come18:21
coderusgoroboro: sorry, no idea, i'm not using OBS18:22
coderusgoroboro: ask on #nemomobile channel18:22
ottulokhertan: thanks, great18:22
khertanjust lose too much time trying to understood why sudden shutdown happen on my jolla18:22
goroborommm okay... thanks18:22
khertangoroboro, i m also waiting next release to know which python version will be available18:23
khertanthey were talking of 3.x18:23
khertanbut no date18:23
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khertangoroboro, and i play too much time writing my own trading btc bot :)18:23
goroborokhertan: heay... I think they settled on Python318:24
goroboroI believe because they chose pyotherside for the qt interface18:24
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khertangoroboro, you can use pyotherside or variant with py 2.x18:25
khertanownNotes on harmattan use a variant of pyotherside with py2.6 :)18:25
khertanand with 2.7 on Sailfish18:25
khertanan older version that i modified to use thread instead of js callback18:26
goroboroah... I know it is availble for earlier versions of python... but it was what was compiled in the mer-tools repo18:26
goroboroI haven't been following too closely... I just remember reading somewhere that it was going to be py3 with pyotherside18:27
khertandaughter shower time :)18:27
khertanthe question is will ... but when ? :)18:27
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elenrilwhy does /system duplicate a lot of stuff from other places?18:40
elenrilthe corresponding package is called droid-system-sbj, so i guess it's for android compat or something?18:40
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M4rtinKwell, you can already deploy python apps to openrepos18:46
M4rtinKjust check that helsinky bus map18:46
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khertanM4rtinK i know look at ownNotes :)18:48
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wickwirehi guys18:54
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wickwirehow may I use setContextProperty with sailfishOS?18:55
wickwireI've used it with Qt5 to expose methods from C++ to QML18:55
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jpnurmiwickwire: then you can call view->rootContext()->setContextProperty(...) before loading the qml19:02
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wickwirejpnurmi: thanks I'll check it out19:12
coderuswickwire: you just getting QGuiApplication and QQuickView and working with it as usual19:14
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coderusAard: you sure about systemd? because my N9 not booting in to Sailfish anymore :D19:15
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wickwirecoderus, jpnurmi: thank you, it is working now! :)19:27
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Aardcoderus: yes.19:31
Aardcoderus: does not mean that we unintentionally broke it, though. right now we're not doing release testing on n919:32
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coderusAard: will test clean install new release soon19:36
coderusif you right it takes extra time to get broken components :D19:37
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elenrili wonder if using freedreno would be viable19:39
Stskeepswell, mesa llvmpipe works if you beat it a bit with a shovel19:42
Stskeepsrest is an academic excersise19:42
elenrilyou mean it's too slow for anything?19:44
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Stskeepsdunno, we have different requirements than freedreno, so we use the android gpu drivers19:44
elenrilwhat do you mean by different requirements19:45
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Stskeepsas in, the whole package from an SoC vendor including licenses and royalties comes specific to certain chipset and adaptation19:45
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elenrilsorry, i'm not good at embeddedspeak yet; adaptation == specific kernel build?19:47
Stskeepskernel, opengl drivers, telephony drivers, firmware, etc19:47
elenrilso you're forbidden by the licence to ship anything else...19:48
Stskeepswell, that says it a bit wrong19:48
Stskeepsbut i don't want to delve too much into patent discussions and gpu drivers, it doesn't serve freedreno or other like projects any good19:48
elenrilhmm, didn't think patents figure in this19:51
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M4rtinKstill I would say - who knows ? :) every dead blob is a good blob19:57
M4rtinKit is good to have at least a feasible possibility of having a OSS driver, unlike with SGX for example19:57
elenrilthere's a practical reason for this too -- i want to build my own kernels eventually19:59
elenriland all the blobs make it hard19:59
M4rtinKyeah, I would say that's the main concern19:59
M4rtinKyou need a new kernel for many useful things or even just not to lag behind20:00
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M4rtinKnew BTRFS features or in the future that KDBUS stuff20:00
M4rtinKgood example how it can go when you don't care about blobs is Fedora20:01
elenrilthe main thing i'd like right now is tomoyo20:01
M4rtinKalready on 3.12 by default :)20:01
elenrilto put the userspace blobs in their place20:01
* elenril puts on his tinfoil hat20:02
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vgradecoderus: clean mic image boots to welcome screen then black screen after Please Wait20:25
vgradesomething amiss in home20:26
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vgradehave home now21:25
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artemmawhat was the resource policy all audio apps should use?21:38
artemmaor something like this21:38
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fk_lxartemma: libaudioresource21:52
artemmahmm.. .. ah, it's just called audio, but in fact is not about audio only, right?21:52
* artemma actually wants to acquire camera for flashlight21:53
artemmanope, that's libresourceqt521:55
artemmaand it looks like it's not in the list of libs allowed on harbour, hmm21:55
elenrilany way to lock the device manually, instead of waiting for a timeout?22:00
artemmaelenril: press Power button22:00
elenriltried that, does not work22:01
artemmayou might be experiencing a bug22:01
artemmatry rebooting22:01
* elenril tries22:01
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elenrilnope, still doesn't lock22:02
artemmaelenril: I can only say that it's not how it is supposed to be22:03
artemmasome software or hardware issue22:03
artemmamaybe some Jolla ppl can answer (not me)22:03
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elenriloh well, will have to investigate more closely tomorrow22:04
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* elenril goto sleep22:04
fk_lxbesides who needs to lock a phone :-P22:04
ln-i'm trying to build the git version of helloworld-pro-sailfish, and a strange error "/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.vSmSFQ: line 34: : command not found"  (full output: )  question 1: why? question 2: should i be able to find that rpm-tmp.vSmSFQ file on the mersdk vm, as i don't see it there?22:05
artemmaln-: funny. That was supposed to start qmake and compilation to my understanding22:06
artemmalooks like a broken project config or toolset config22:06
netzviehelenril: locking like swiping down?22:07
artemmaln-: are you able to build other projects?22:07
coderuselenril: go to clock screen and swipe down :)22:08
artemmaCan I somehow see from makefile or build logs which copy of a library I am actually linking to?22:09
* artemma wants to ship own copy of gstreamer with the app and needs to make sure it is the one that is actually used22:09
ln-artemma: yes, e.g. the 0.4.4 release of helloworld-pro seems to build fine.22:10
ln-still i can't be sure some config somewhere isn't broken.22:11
artemmaln-: hmm, that is the latest version if I remember correctly22:11
* artemma goes to check git22:11
artemmathere were a couple of small changes after it, but they were about spelling and qml, nothing that would affect compilation22:12
artemmaBTW, I need to make a new release with these changes probably22:12
artemmaln-: I'd try usual Clean All, Run qmake, rebuild22:13
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ln-(yeah, i'm the one who contributed the spelling fix)22:14
netzviehhmm i get bash: /opt/sdk/harbour-helloworld-pro-sailfish: is a directory when trying to run it on the vm22:16
netzviehdid i forget something?22:16
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artemmanetzvieh, do deployment by RPM22:18
artemmanetzvieh: you are trying delployment by copying files. It may or may not work22:18
netzviehah makes sense22:18
ln-artemma: running qmake after clean all results in the same error.22:21
artemmawell, message seems to tell that sdk fails to launch some generated script (one that launches make?)22:23
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artemmaln-: I am not sure what happens. Will see tomorrow if I get the same22:23
artemmaln-: I am busy now, if you are into helping, try cheking out in the same directory 0.4-4 version and see if that builds22:24
ln-artemma: ok, thanks. i'll let you know if i find a solution or workaround myself tonight.22:24
artemmaand then try other commits in between. If it is some code change indeed, you'll identify it this way22:24
artemmaI'd guess some configuration issue though22:24
artemmathink there are just 9 commits, so 3-4 trials will nail down the faulty one if it's faulty code change indeed22:25
artemmahow do I know what PKGCONFIG += gstreamer-0.10 is doing?22:26
artemmaWhere do I see the pkgconfigs contents?22:26
artemmacoderus: happy birthday, BTW! Have lots of luck with you rus code! :)22:26
ln-i suppose somebody else would have already mentioned this issue if it really was a problem in the git version itself.22:26
netzviehln-: you could try the windows way and reinstall the sdk :P22:28
artemmaWhere do I find *.pc files SDK build is using? Somewhere deep in mer machine or mapped to main drive?22:30
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artemmafound gstreamer-0.10.pc on SDK22:35
netzviehi had no failures with the latest git version of hw-p-s22:35
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artemmaFatal error: nothing provides needed by23:26
artemmayet I have requires in .yaml23:27
artemmawhat's correct syntax for requiring libc?23:27
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artemmacopying line from harbour instructions don't seem to help -
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artemmaah, maybe Sailfish repos just doesn't have GLIBC_2.0 , but only newer ones23:30
ln-artemma: regarding my earlier issue: i figured out the reason, and even a solution. CRLF line-endings in the .spec won't work. (and unrelatedly, they don't work in *.sh either)23:33
artemmaln-: interesting, thanks23:34
ln-i can submit a pull request23:34
ln-there aren't CRLF line-endings in the .spec per se, but unless told otherwise, some git clients may normalize everything to CRLF on windows. at least SourceTree does.23:35
jukethat's horrible23:35
ln-i can see good arguments for and against normalization23:37
artemmahow do I install strace tool to sailfish?23:41
Yanielis it in mer-tools?23:41
artemmaYaniel: I don't know23:41
ln-pull request created23:42
Yanielpkcon search name strace23:42
* artemma is low skilled in understanding *nix tools23:42
dschoepeartemma: If it isn't in mer-tools, you can try copying over a binary from the arm distribution of fedora and hope for the best23:42
artemmathanks! I was looking for how to search pckon!23:42
Yanieland ssu er mer-tools first if you have not done that before23:42
artemmahmm, pckon didn't find it23:42
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artemmassu er mer-tools?23:43
dschoepeartemma: you might have to run pkcon update before23:43
artemmarunning update23:43
dschoepe(after running `ssu er mer-tools'. or was it ar?)23:44
Yanieler for enable-repo23:44
Yanielar for add-repo23:44
Yanielsince mer-tools is added by default (but disabled) you need er here23:44
artemmaHmm, "Installing packages" seems to be stuck at 66%23:44
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artemmafor a minute or so23:45
artemmaokay, now it's done23:45
artemmaso now I updated23:45
artemmapkcon still doesn't find strace23:45
Yanielpkcon refresh reloads package lists23:45
artemmait seems it's got quite a long list :)23:46
artemmarefreshed strace is still not found23:51
artemmapckon refreshed. strace is still not found23:51
artemmaor shall I now install mer tools somehow? Sorry, I didn't understand instructions on how to enable mer tools23:52
artemmaor there are erros23:52
artemmawhen I try running "ssu er mer-tools", I get many lines of the same error:23:53
artemma[D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist23:53
dschoepeartemma: Are you running it as root?23:53
artemmadschoepe: I thought so, but maybe not23:53
artemmahmm, devel-su doesn't let me in now???23:54
artemmaafter pkcon update?23:54
* artemma in shock23:55
artemmaah.. I was connected to emulator maybe...23:56
artemmano, I was not23:56
artemmaokay, now devel-su works after reenabling net access23:57
artemmastill ssu fails23:57
artemmahey, do I need to "Allow developer updates" in Settings app?23:57
EztranNo. Very no.23:57
artemmaIt has SSU heading23:57
artemma[D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist23:58
artemmaI am still at that then23:58
artemmaunder devel-su as well23:58
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EztranDoes look like adding the repo was the problem - strace is definitely in mer-tools.23:59

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