Thursday, 2014-01-30

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artemmaWARNING [/usr/share/icons/hicolor/86x86/apps/harbour-flashlight.png] File must not be executable (current permissions: 755)00:49
artemmain the source folder permissions are -rw-r--r--  1 artem  staff  7551 Nov 23 18:02 harbour-flashlight.png00:49
artemmais rpm setting executable bit somehow?00:50
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artemma.spec seems to have a way to force exact file attribute, but it has to be specified before some files… so has to be in a part generated by .yaml00:56
artemmahow do I set file attributes in yaml?00:56
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artemmanever mind, defattr works in .yaml too01:05
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artemmaHarbour validation script tells validation failed yet there are zero warnings :/01:05
artemmaI guess I just try submitting then01:05
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n9mxStskeeps: Hi Carsten. Is your FOSSDEM talk going to be video recorded?03:05
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dafoxgood morning all! Does anyone know if it is possible to see information about the sim-card on the jolla phone? I've cut down my sim to micro-sim, and forgot to save the simcard number that is printed on the card. However I think that number should also be on the card (readable by software, e.g. it seems iPhone can do it). I think what I am looking for is the ICCID. Any ideas, perhaps poking around somewhere in /sys?06:37
tbrquerying ofono might be a good bet06:38
specialofono-tests, /usr/lib/ofono/test/list-modems.06:39
dafoxtbr, special: thank you, looks like I'll need to install that first. Unfortunatly I can't do that right now since I'm on a public wifi right now, and for some reason my jolla can't get past the log-in page :(06:41
chriadamlpotter: ^ captured portal issue?06:42
* lpotter grumbles06:43
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lpotterknown issue. sorry06:43
tbrfor me this was a browser issue, last time I was at a hotel with captive portal06:43
specialdafox: gdbus call -y -d org.ofono -o /ril_0 -m org.ofono.SimManager.GetProperties06:43
specialyou're welcome :p06:43
dafoxchriadam: yes, I think so. They redirect all webpages to their login page.06:44
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dafoxspecial: awesome, there is a lot of info there. I think it is the CardIdentifier I'm looking for?06:47
dafoxor the SubscriberID? I was going to switch providers, and would like to keep my current phone nr., for which they need the 'simcard id'06:48
special"CardIdentifier" "Contains the Integrated Circuit Card Identifier (ICCID) and is read directly from the SIM."06:49
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specialSubscriberIdentity is IMSI06:50
dafoxspecial: thank you!06:50
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dafoxchriadam: btw, is that a known issue?06:59
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dafox(and would you like me to make e.g. a wireshark capture of logging in on my laptop?)07:01
artemmaPhone is hot, Hunger meter shows 2.6-3+ W when running no apps (and email sync was finished 5 min ago), top shows lipstick and timed each taking 35% of CPU. Seriously?07:06
artemmamsyncd, contactsd and crash-reporter- take about 35% each too (yes, makes it well over 100% - probably 2 cores)07:07
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artemmaspecial: can't ssh in, jolla doesn't connect to wifi07:07
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artemmaah, maybe that's related and one of the reason why jolla completely freezes down on connectivity problems07:07
specialthat's a lot of things, and all of them are Qt-running daemons07:08
specialit's interesting if they're all trying to eat the CPU at once.07:08
specialer, not sure about crash-reporter07:08
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artemmaspecial: if you can tell some fingerterm command to show useful journal entries on a tiny screen, I'll run it07:08
artemmaoh maybe i reboot quickly and journal entries are still there07:09
specialdevel-su, journalctl -a > crazy-cpu-journal.log07:09
specialreboot and review the file07:09
artemmasaved, rebooting07:10
artemmaspecial: analyzing it is beyond me anyway. You want to get file to email?07:11
artemmaor pastebin can be better probably07:11
specialuploaded somewhere might be better. Probably too big for pastebin. You can mail it to if you like and I'll see if anything jumps out tomorrow07:12
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specialfor now I'm going to adhere to the no-debug-logs-after-midnight rule07:13
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special(also note that it could contain all sorts of sensitive information)07:19
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chriadammsyncd, contacts + crash reporter, suggests that one of the two at least is crashing.  my money would be on msyncd tbh.07:29
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specialsounds like you want to take responsibility07:30
specialfeel free :>07:30
artemmadump is on laptop, who wants it to his email except for john brooks? :)07:31
artemmaspecial: it's not you, is it?07:31
* artemma thinking about email text07:31 is me07:31
artemmaah, ok07:31
specialcc :>07:31 too please artemma07:31
chriadamerr, i mean07:32
artemmaspecial, chriadam done07:33
chriadamtyvm07:34 running to office now07:34
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chriadami can't see any "exited with status 11" style segfault entries in that log.  if something is crashing, i'd expect to see something there tbh.  certainly, all of those network issues could just mean that the contactsd roster stuff is going nuts, but I dunno.07:40
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specialtimed, lipstick..07:40
special(I haven't looked yet)07:40
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kaltsiartemma: the file permissions become 0755 because of the build engine.. you can put %defattr and %attr lines to the files section in yaml to fix it08:45
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artemmakaltsi: thanks, solved yesterday with it08:46
artemmaguys, are there any news on when app store issues are likely to be fixed? My app update is trying to get through for 8 days already..08:46
kaltsifor some historical reason the build engine mounts user's home directory so that it sees all files with 0755 access rights, I wasn't around when that was made so I don't really know why it does it.. perhaps it has something to do with windows hosts08:47
tbrartemma: as you were told, there are backend issues. I expect they are doing their best and your app will get updated as everything else will once those issues are solved.08:51
artemmatbr: uhm.. yes, that's why I asked if anybody has an idea when it's likely to be fixed08:55
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artemmatbr: also sorry, but experience tells me that individual app things in jolla app store get forgotten unless I ask in this chat (happened at least 2-3 times by now), developer comms didn't work for me ever (3 questions to developer-care are not answered for over a month), so I can't know if it's my app-only issue by now without asking here08:56
tbrartemma: look at the store, if updates start coming through, ask again, but I would probably wait until the platform update gets released.08:57
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kaltsiartemma, juke libQt5v8 will be replaced with another library in Qt5.2 which is most probably why it's not allowed in harbour now10:18
artemmakaltsi: that's understandable. Then I am surprised even helloworld links to it according to ldd10:18
kaltsihere's some discussion about it
artemmaor maybe helloworld links to it indirectly, but via something else?10:19
specialartemma: everything using QtQml needs V8 in 5.110:19
kaltsihelloworld? do you mean the default template application?10:19
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: how is it linked ?10:20
kaltsihmm for me the validator script does not complain about it10:20
* artemma doesn't know how to ask ldd or any other tools to show link hierarchy10:20
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe v8-private is not allowed10:20
Sfiet_Konstantinhowever, v8 is10:20
artemmato be precise I analyzied linking for HelloWorld Pro, but it's in harbour for ages by now10:20
specialv8-private isn't a separate library, it's just headers.10:20
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kaltsiartemma: I just built helloworldpro on my machine and it passes the validator script10:26
artemmakaltsi: it does. Look at "ldd /usr/bin/harbour-helloworldpro"10:26
artemmaor whatever was the binary name10:27
artemmait shows some not allowed libs, V8 among them10:27
artemmawhy I need to know linking hierarchy at all: I am bundling with app a couple of libs (most notably gstreamer) and have to bundle everything they link to except if they link to allowed system stuff10:28
artemmathat was my thinking at least10:28
kaltsiyou can see how the validator checks the dependencies in the github repo where the allowed libs are10:29
kaltsiit's not using ldd but objdump -x harbour-helloworld-pro-sailfish  | grep NEEDED10:29
kaltsildd shows all the deps of those needed libs too10:29
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artemmakaltsi: thanks, didn't know about objdump, will check it out10:33
kaltsithe problem with v8 comes if your app directly links it I guess10:34
* artemma never used objdump before10:34
kaltsiyou'll love it :)10:34
artemmawill it show the library if one of my sublibs links to it?10:34
artemmaI bundle gstreamer into app. What if gstreamer then links to something not allowed?10:35
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artemmaI guess it will pass current harbour checks, but it's bad anyway, I want to bundle everything not allowed what gtreamer needs too10:36
artemmaor maybe then I just ran objdump on gstreamer's .so files..10:36
lbt_artemma: ldd -v  I think10:38
kaltsiI think the script does that10:38
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kaltsiit uses objdump also for the libs you ship10:38
artemmalbt_: thx, I'll try10:39
lbtheirarchical linking (I found out myself recently)10:39
artemmakaltsi: how does it know it needs to check them?10:39
kaltsibecause they're in your package10:39
artemmaah, so it checks all the binaries inside package10:39
artemmaok, thx10:39
lbtartemma: I found a bug in the validator/process (actually in Qt) - so it's worth finding out why things break10:40
artemmainterestingly yesterday, checker script told me that validation failed, but there was zero warnings10:40
artemmaI still submitted the package then (as there were zero warnings), we'll see what QA says10:40
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kaltsiartemma: interesting, which package is it, I'd like to test it10:41
artemmakaltsi: newest flashligth package10:41
kaltsiok I'll ask if I can get it10:41
artemmakaltsi: if you just need rpm, you can fetch it at
kaltsithanks I'll try that10:42
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kaltsiERROR [/usr/share/harbour-flashlight/lib/] Cannot link to shared library:
kaltsithe Libraries part fails for me10:43
artemmakaltsi: script inside QtCreator didn't show it10:44
kaltsiinteresting.. I'm running it inside qtcreator10:45
artemmaI included libdl initially, but then there was no warning, so I removed it10:45
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artemmakaltsi: i didn't upgrade to latest sdk. Could that influence?10:45
kaltsiartemma: what's your script version.. you can see it when it's run near the beginning10:46
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kaltsicurrent one is "RPM Validation script v1.4-10.7.1.jolla"10:46
artemmalemme start creator..10:46
artemmakaltsi: can't see script version anywhere in Sailfish os harbour tools tab10:48
artemmanor when I click validate10:48
artemmaah, stupid me!10:48
kaltsionly if you validate a package with it :p10:48
artemmaOutput from script was so long, that I was seeing the bottom part only!10:49
artemmaAll the bottom messages were PASSED10:49
kaltsiok.. so you have the failure there?10:49
* artemma didn't realize there was a scrollbar10:49
artemmayeah, I see errors now, thanks10:49
kaltsi:) do you see the error bar there10:49
kaltsiscroll bar sorry10:49
kaltsior don't you have it? just interested in how it works in people's environments10:50
artemmaI have a scrollbar, I just didn't realize it exists10:50
kaltsiok good10:50
artemmayou know tab-like layout.. I didn't expect it to have a scrollbar10:50
artemmahmm, why is it telling INFO [/usr/share/harbour-flashlight/lib/] Private shared library shipped10:50
artemmaoh.. that's just info.. for who?10:51
kaltsiit's just info for you10:51
kaltsilike "you do know what you're doing"10:51
artemmait's a pity I cannot pull update back from harbour, will burden testers with not needed work10:51
kaltsievery test that has some output but has PASSED in the end is ok.. those that have ERROR have also FAIL10:51
Yanielflashlight. . gstreamer. . huh?10:52
Yanielalso 0.10 :(10:52
artemmaYaniel: that's how led is rolling nowadays :)10:52
Yanielwhat the actual... :D10:53
YanielI mean it works nicely but still.. gstreamer?10:53
artemmaon the other hand I guess it's faster than to wait for QtMultimedia initialization10:53
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artemmaYaniel: don't tell anybody, but current in-store version actually starts gst-launch process in the background :D10:54
artemmathis new version at least creates proper objects. And is way faster therefore10:54
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Yanielwhatever floats10:55
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artemmaERROR [] Dependency not allowed11:59
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artemmaWhat is it and how to deal with it? Harbour FAQ doesn't seem to mention anything about it11:59
artemmakaltsi: maybe you know11:59
artemmaor maybe kontio11:59
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artemmaI supply together with the app12:00
kontioartemma: in which section is it?12:00
artemmaERROR [] Dependency not allowed12:01
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artemmaor shall maybe __requires_exclude help even if message is different12:01
* artemma trying12:02
kontioartemma: yes should be
kaltsithat's a strange lib to ship though12:02
artemmakontio: error message is different12:02
artemmatryn=ing it anyway12:02
artemmakaltsi: gstreamer needs it apparently12:02
artemmai was adding libs step by step as errors were telling something's missing12:03
artemmamaybe it uses it for loading plugins12:03
kaltsithat's the linux dynamic loader12:03
artemmaokay, excluding helped12:04
artemmathanks you guys!12:04
artemmaflashlight all green now12:04
artemmaI mean blue - the harbour script OKay color :)12:04
artemmawhy does qt creator try deploying to the first device in the list of devices even though I set another one as default one?12:05
* artemma uses different ip addresses on different networks12:06
kaltsiyou need to set the device in the kit settings12:06
artemmaManage kits, yes12:06
artemmaah, got it!12:06
kaltsiI'm not sure what the "default" device means tbh12:07
artemmaprobably one for new projects12:07
artemmarrr, my jolla lost wifi connection yet another time12:08
* artemma really hopes some connection fixes make it to the coming firmware update. constant reconnections and freezes on reconnection are pain in the bottom12:09
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artemmafixed flashlight dependencies and submitted to harbour. Here's RPM link kaltsi, kontio: thanks a lot!12:46
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Nicd-now let's wait for the angry comments12:49
TofeNicd-: WeeCRApp ?12:49
artemmaNicd-: do you collect MY DATA?! :D12:49
Nicd-it's in the store!12:51
Nicd-Tofe: no, SailTime12:51
Nicd-artemma: yes, I send it to NSA, FSB, FDF and my mom12:52
artemmaNicd-: is it PUBLISHED or only APPROVED?12:53
* sjn found SailTime in the Jolla shop12:53
Nicd-it said approved in the dashboard view in harbour12:53
artemmaoh, so most of app store functions fine, it's only few apps (mine only?) that got stack12:53
Nicd-but when I view all "my apps" it says published12:53
artemmaoh, so most of app store functions fine, it's only few apps (mine only?) that got stuck12:54
BearTNicd: also found SailTime in the store. quite a nerdy app ... I guess that's why I like the idea12:59
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Nicd-the cover is somewhat ugly, maybe I should fix it13:02
Nicd-pull requests welcome :)13:02
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joonahoiNicd-: what's the github repo?13:15
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joonahoiok, ty13:27
ln-btw, what happens if i've manually installed some harbour-something rpm, and later a newer version of it becomes available in the store? will it update as one could expect?13:28
Sail0rhad the same thing with tethering13:30
Sail0rinstalled it via rpm13:31
Sail0rand afterwards it came available in harbour13:31
Sail0rand it updated automatically from store13:31
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Nicd-joonahoi: as Sail0r said13:47
Nicd-you can also open it from the app's about page13:47
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artemmaSailTime is cool for uptime, but what are the other three unlabeled numbers it shows? :)13:51
Acceartemma: system load averages, just not sure which is which13:52
Acceit said something like that in the description13:52
artemmaaverages in.. which units?13:52
Accehmmm percents? :)13:52
artemmalike CPU load percent?13:53
artemmaor probably more like CPU core load percent13:53
jukeartemma, probably man uptime13:53
Acce"load averages for 1, 5 and 15 minutes"13:53
Accesoo, CPU load percentage average for those times is my guess13:54
Raimthe system load does not have a unit, see for an explanation13:54
jukecpu load and system load are different things13:54
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Nicd-artemma: I could make it more clear, yes14:25
Nicd-I'll insert labels for the next version14:25
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Nicd-but load averages don't have a unit14:25
Nicd-artemma: can you report an issue? ;)14:25
artemmaNicd-: uptime on its own is cool already!14:25
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artemmasure if you were really working for NSA, you could also collect people uptime tricking them into sharing data for cool graphs and leaderboards and badges like "your uptime is within top 10 in Finland!"14:25
artemmaFortunately data of Jolla people can never be bought for such silly features :)14:25
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Aardwho wants to buy data? how much? :)14:53
artemmaAard: doesn't matter, jolla users don't sell it at whatever price!14:54
artemmahow much you'd pay though..?14:54
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Aardartemma: oh, I thought you wanted to make an offer for data we collect on phone side14:54
* joonahoi is already creating a tar.gz of his dick pics14:54
Tofesubtil :D14:55
artemmaAard: my capital isn't on par to the task yet14:55
Aardartemma: you don't know how cheap I am :p14:56
artemmaAard: you don't know how I am :P14:56
VenemoAard: maybe you could put a checkbox in the jolla accound settings: "yes, I agree to selling my data to the NSA"14:56
artemmawell, it's more about finding further buyer, I won't sit on data myself14:56
AardVenemo: problem is that we'd start collecting data worth selling first :p14:57
* artemma thinks world of SW would be so much simpler if everybody switched to NSA account. No more mess with google, yahoo, jolla, dropbox accounts, whatever14:57
VenemoAard: you already own a bunch of email addresses and personal details, don't you14:57
artemmathere's same nsa account behind anyway14:57
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Venemolol artemma :)14:58
AardVenemo: not much personal details. the 'my details' thing you fill in when you start the phone is local to the phone only, we don't have access to that14:58
Aardso we "only" have what you used to order the phone, and create the jolla account14:58
VenemoAard: ah, so you don't even steal my contacts' details?14:59
Aardno, sorry.14:59
* artemma wants his app updates to be published in store.. how long it could take to solve a database issue for a few records… sigh14:59
Aardyou could suggest it as opt-in feature on together, if you think it's important to have that :p14:59
Venemohe already did, IIRC15:00
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AardVenemo: we even don't have access to your mail account credentials (like blackberry did) :p15:00
tbror all your email content...15:01
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Venemoallright, I was just kidding ;)15:04
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faenilbb used it for the Travel app though, didn't didn't have access if you didn't install that app15:05
faenilof course it needs your emails if you want it to tell you which travels you'll be doing15:05
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Aardfaenil: no, they used it to speed up account creation. they'd log in to your email account from their servers, guessing correct parameters, and then sending the correct config options to your device once it works15:18
joonahoiAard: nokia did so too15:18
faenilAard, mm15:18
joonahoii had e75 at the time15:18
Aardjoonahoi: yes, but nokia did not go advertising about being especially careful about privacy and security15:18
joonahoiyeah, but they still did it without any warning15:19
joonahoii stumbled upon it by checking my mail server logs, because i wasn't able to get my mail account to work with the phone15:19
joonahoi(it couldn't handle @ in the user name with the automatic account verification)15:19
joonahoisaw all those failed attempts from something.something.nokmia.com15:20
Aardjoonahoi: I didn't say it was right what nokia did, just that imo for blackberry it was even worse due to the 'we keep your shit safe' promise15:20
joonahoiyes, that's true15:20
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Sfiet_Konstantinhi !15:56
Sfiet_Konstantinmy sdk is behaving really strangely15:57
Sfiet_Konstantincannot connect to webapp15:57
Sfiet_Konstantin(from QtC)15:57
Sfiet_Konstantinand from browser it throws a15:57
Sfiet_KonstantinProtocol mismatch.15:57
kaltsiSfiet_Konstantin: where do you try to connect with browser?15:58
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: firefox: localhost:222215:58
kaltsitry 808015:58
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: something runnign15:58
Sfiet_Konstantinindeed, I should know that 2222 is for SSH15:58
Sfiet_Konstantinwell ... it is loading but nothing really loads15:58
Waitee22 is for ssh15:59
kaltsihehe.. can you login to the mersdk build engine15:59
kaltsiand once there check if 'rackup' process is running15:59
joonahoiWaitee: 2222 is for ssh in the dev virtual machines15:59
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: well, suddenly everhting is frozen15:59
Waiteejoonahoi: oh okay15:59
Sfiet_Konstantintimeout from QtC15:59
Sfiet_Konstantinssh connection not responding15:59
kaltsiSfiet_Konstantin: what have you done lately with your build machine? .. could it be out of disk space16:00
kaltsicould you try stopping it from virtual box and starting it again16:00
joonahoiSfiet_Konstantin: seems to be responding (at least something)16:00
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: did several time16:00
Sfiet_Konstantinit freeze very quiuckly16:00
joonahoiSfiet_Konstantin: try ssh -vvvv -p 2222 localhost16:00
Sfiet_Konstantinlet's try to restart16:00
Sfiet_Konstantinjoonahoi: I can connect to the VM16:01
joonahoithat's (very) verbose output16:01
joonahoiah, ok16:01
Sfiet_Konstantinit is the vm that just suddenly freeze16:01
Sfiet_Konstantinright ... right now the vm refuses to stop16:01
kaltsiSfiet_Konstantin: have you updated anything in your host?16:01
kaltsilike kernel or virtualbox16:01
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: kernel, and I installed the vbox moule accordingly16:02
kaltsiwhich kernel and vbox version btw?16:02
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: do you think that a reboot will help16:02
Sfiet_KonstantinLinux celestia 3.12.8-300.fc20.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 16 01:07:50 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux16:02
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kaltsi"it might"..16:02
Sfiet_Konstantinvbox 4.3.616:02
Sfiet_Konstantinlet's try then16:03
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Sfiet_Konstantindamn, frozen again16:08
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Sfiet_Konstantinthe SDK don't like connecting to web app16:09
Sfiet_Konstantinit seems16:09
Sfiet_Konstantinlet's try again16:09
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: indeed, seems that webapp kills everything16:10
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kaltsiSfiet_Konstantin: strange.. have you checked that you're not running any other service in port 8080 already?16:11
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: well, I have nothing to be run on 808016:12
kaltsicheck netstat -ant and16:12
kaltsi-anu just to be sure :P16:12
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Sfiet_KonstantinI'm sure16:13
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kaltsiok if you restart the mersdk and don't go into the webapp yet.. login to it with ssh and see what's going on16:14
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: ok16:14
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm on the sdk16:14
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kaltsithe webserver is/should be running.. 'rackup'16:14
Sfiet_KonstantinI also have this "Project ERROR: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Timeout waiting for reply from server."16:14
Sfiet_Konstantinwhen trying to deploy an RPM16:15
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: rackup is running16:15
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kaltsisomething to do with the ssh connection to either mersdk or emulator there16:15
Sfiet_KonstantinI can connect to mersdk :)16:15
Sfiet_Konstantinand to nemo too16:16
kaltsihave you reinstalled the sdk recently?16:16
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, yes16:16
Sfiet_Konstantinlike a month ago I guess16:16
kaltsibut it worked after that?16:16
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: yes, just yesterday I wanted to code someting and nothing is working anymore :(16:16
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe I should reinstall ?16:16
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kaltsiif you do reinstall, remember to remove the ~/.config/SailfishAlpha3 directory after you have run the uninstaller16:17
Sfiet_Konstantinand also the .scratchbox2 ?16:17
kaltsiit's very difficult to guess what might be the problem16:17
Sfiet_Konstantinwill for for a reinstall I guess16:17
Sfiet_Konstantinthx a lot kaltsi16:17
kaltsithe .scratchbox2 is not important to remove16:17
kaltsiSfiet_Konstantin: no prob, I hope reinstall works for you16:18
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jukecan qml element have a javascript object as its property?16:37
artemmajuke: yep, use type var16:38
jukesomething like: property var obj: { "asd": 1 }16:38
artemmaI am not sure you can define it inline like this though16:38
artemmacheck QML docs, there was something specifically abt it16:39
jukelists seem to work16:39
jukebut i really need dict16:39
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jukeoh, {} works too16:40
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: no luck16:42
Sfiet_Konstantindon't seems to work16:42
Sfiet_Konstantin(at least webapp thing)16:42
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kaltsivery strange.. I can't think of a reason for it not to work16:43
Sfiet_Konstantinlet me try to deploy16:44
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kaltsiif it fails, could you pastebin the whole compile output from qtc16:45
Sfiet_Konstantinexactly the same symptom16:45
Sfiet_Konstantinlet me try something16:47
Sfiet_Konstantinone sec16:47
kaltsicould you add to your host's /etc/hosts file SailfishSDK16:47
kaltsisomething like this:16:47
kaltsi127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain localhost SailfishSDK16:47
kaltsithat has worked for some.. I don't know why16:47
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Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: geez16:50
kaltsithat should fix your deploy case at least16:50
Sfiet_Konstantinyou know16:50
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Sfiet_Konstantinthe SDK works perfectly fine16:50
Sfiet_Konstantinthe problem is elsewhere16:50
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Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: I mised what you said16:51
kaltsicould you edit your HOST's /etc/hosts file and add SailfishSDK as an alias for there16:51
kaltsithat works for some people for some reason16:51
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: well, here the problem is the hotspot wifi16:52
kaltsiit might have something like localhost there already.. just add SailfishSDK at the end of that line16:52
Sfiet_Konstantinunder linux: it first refuse any connection16:52
Sfiet_Konstantinand then proceed as usual16:52
Sfiet_Konstantinthis, somehow, crashes all connections (deployment / webapp)16:52
kaltsibut please try that /etc/hosts trick and let me know if it works16:53
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Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: thanks16:57
Sfiet_Konstantindeployment now works :)16:57
Sfiet_Konstantinfunnily, the control center still crashes :D16:58
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: this isn't your issue16:58
Sfiet_Konstantinthis is the problem of the wifi hotspot16:58
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's weired actually16:58
kaltsiok.. I wonder if the need to add that line to /etc/hosts also has to do with your hotspot16:59
kaltsithere are some people who have required it, but I haven't found a pattern yet16:59
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Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: so, deployment now works, but actually the webapp seems to try to connect to the hotspot to solve updates etc.17:03
Sfiet_Konstantinsince this do not work, the webapp is stuck17:03
kaltsi5 mins after the mersdk boots up, it will do a 'zypper refresh' for itself and all the targets17:04
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: what I did is: I turn off the wifi, and then have access to the webapp17:04
Sfiet_KonstantinI clicked on the update tab17:05
Sfiet_Konstantinand turned on the wifi17:05
Sfiet_Konstantinand tried to click on the update button: freeze17:05
Sfiet_Konstantinand if I turn off the wifi again, no more freeze17:05
kaltsiif you ssh to the mersdk, can you ping for example from there or does that also fail17:06
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kaltsiif you haven't installed the updates to the sdk yet, then you have a webapp that tries to fetch jquery.js from the net.. in later versions that is a local file17:07
kaltsior jquery.min.js actually17:07
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: If I turn on the internet, I cannot ssh17:08
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Sfiet_KonstantinI cannot even use the vm17:08
Sfiet_Konstantineverything is freeze :/17:08
kaltsiwhat kind of an ip address do you get from there?17:08
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm trying to change dns and see17:08
kaltsiperhaps 10. something that might collide with the internal network that is set up for the virtualmachines17:08
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: one more sec, rebooting wifi to use different dns17:09
kaltsiokely dokely17:09
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Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: DNS change is not working either17:10
Sfiet_KonstantinI really wonder17:10
Sfiet_Konstantinhow come everything is blocked, even SSH17:10
Sfiet_Konstantinand even the VM itself17:10
Sfiet_Konstantinyou cannot interact with anything17:10
kaltsiI don't know.. maybe something in the routing table goes wrong17:11
kaltsiwhat does 'route -n' show for you17:11
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Sfiet_Konstantineh ?17:11
Sfiet_Konstantinsomething happened17:11
Sfiet_Konstantinsuper weired17:12
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Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: one sec17:13
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: on the host or the sdkvm ?17:13
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kaltsihm in general looks ok I guess.. the interface names in host are interesting17:17
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: fedora way of doing17:18
Sfiet_Konstantinnothing to worry about17:18
Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: referring of "enp0s26u1u2" ?17:19
Yanielaka "predictable interface names"17:19
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Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: anyway17:22
Sfiet_Konstantindon't worry too much17:22
Sfiet_Konstantinthe /etc/hosts trick already makes my live easier17:22
Sfiet_Konstantinthanks for the help17:22
kaltsiSfiet_Konstantin: sorry but my ideas seem to stop here... I lack knowledge about the ip stack to be able to do any useful debugging :P17:23
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kaltsibut in general the virtualbox is supposed to create a NAT interface from your localhost to the virtual machine.. maybe something in that routing goes wrong17:23
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kaltsiSfiet_Konstantin: one more thing that may/may not help.. have you installed the virtualbox extension pack? I think it asks you to do so when you run it.. at least it did so for me17:25
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kaltsiyou can check it from virtualbox manager / preferences / extensions17:25
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Sfiet_Konstantinkaltsi: no extension pack17:26
kaltsiSfiet_Konstantin: ok.. I checked from kontio, and he doesn't have it either, so maybe it's not relevant17:28
kaltsibut if you want to try, one can be downloaded from here
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kaltsiwell loks like it has nothing about networking though17:29
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Sfiet_Konstantinwell ...17:29
Sfiet_Konstantinanyway, don't worry17:29
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kaltsiok.. it's just curious, I would like to understand why it happens for you in case this becomes a more common problem  :)17:30
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Nicd-how often are harbour stats updated?17:31
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Sfiet_Konstantinhi gops18:10
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gopshi Sfiet_Konstantin i have problem while creating a sailfish os app18:11
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gopsSfiet_Konstantin: the qt creator is not creating the device18:12
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gopsunable to create a device in qt creatore18:18
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joonahoigops: creating what device now?18:20
jake9xxgops: SDK version?18:21
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gopsjoonahoi: i am creating a device in qt creator18:22
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gopsjoonahoi: it says SSH connection failure: Connection refused18:23
gopsDevice test failed.18:23
gopsjake9xx: i dont know how to check the version18:23
Accegops: are you trying to connect to emulator?18:24
gopsjake9xx: SailfishOSSDK-Alpha-1310-Qt5-linux-64-offline this is the SDK version18:24
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Nicd-gops: is your phone connected with developer mode USB?18:24
gopsAcce: yes18:24
Accehmm, well try downloading the newer SDK first18:24
gopsNicd-: no no phone is connected only emulator18:24
Nicd-ah, emulator18:24
Accethere is 1312 out already18:25
gopsAcce: ok let me try that :)18:25
baltahey, next week I want to present the Jolla and the Sailfish UI concepts to my colleagues (I'm working at a small german app/web developing company). Sadly the Jolla has no HDMI output and the emulator has no jolla apps installed. Does anybody here know a way to get the jolla default apps installed on the emulator or better, a way to get the screen of the jolla remotely, something like vnc?18:25
gopsthanks for the help18:25
jake9xxgops: wanna go with 1312, use the updater.18:25
jake9xx1312 is the sdk to deliver the device support18:25
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gopsjake9xx: can i use the update button in qt creator18:26
Accejake9xx: should deploying to the actual device already work? I didn't know that18:27
joonahoibalta: i don't think it's possible, the emulator uses different (virtual) cpu arch18:27
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jake9xxAcce: sure, it works ok18:28
jake9xxgops: yes, that's the way to go18:28
jake9xxAcce: thing is, in windows pc you might need a bigger ssh timeout than 2s ; some 10-15s is just fine.18:28
Accewhere do I set the device ip etc?18:28
jake9xxAcce: the device creation widget in qtc18:28
baltajoonahoi: I know that, I was hoping there exists some x86 repository :(18:28
Acceokay, thanks a bunch, had not noticed such a thing18:28
jake9xx'Set ARM kit to deploy to device'18:29
joonahoibalta: there is for the core parts, but not the apps afaik18:29
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baltaso do you know some remote desktop server for sailfish? or do I have to use the component gallery? :(18:35
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Accewell, since it's wayland, most old stuff for vnc and stuff probably won't work..18:36
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jukewhat QML api i should you for detecting locale?, Qt.locale().name is C18:37
Accebalta: can't you get an overhead projector or document camere?18:37
Accejuke: on the emulator?18:38
jukelanguage is finnish18:38
AcceI used QLocale in c++ and it got it right.. also in QML Date.toLocaleString() works correctly18:39
jukei just need to know the name of thet language18:39
* artemma just realized that he was probably pushing debug builds to app store all the time.. Unless Deploy RPM command in creator makes release builds18:39
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baltaAcce: in case of need that would be an idea, thanks :)18:40
artemmaI wonder how much speed I am loosing18:40
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AcceI'll check if Qt.locale() is working for me, if not it could be a bug / unfinished feature18:40
jake9xxartemma: should not if you select deployment not to be debug.. well it might create the debug rpm as well, don't file that one in18:40
Accebalta: np :)18:40
baltabtw I also get just "C" as locale on my phone...18:40
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artemmajake9xx: Isn't deploy command packaging whatever the current run configuration is?18:41
jukebalta, qml or c++?18:41
artemmaI always keep it in debug during development and didn't change for deployment18:41
baltaI just tried c++ yet18:41
jake9xxartemma: should be18:41
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jake9xxyou can see it from the run config icon (above deploy IIRC)18:42
* artemma wonders how much is speed/memory difference between debug and release builds for a small QML app18:42
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baltaQt.locale() or reading the environment variable... it was a few days ago...18:42
jake9xxartemma: not much, but in debug build the symbols are in18:42
artemmajake9xx: menu just says Deploy project project name18:42
jake9xxartemma: no, not menu.. wait18:42
artemmaoh well, next builds will be a little smaller then :)18:43
jake9xxclick the lower sailfish icon18:43
artemmathat is if app store ignorance to my updates will be fixed :)18:43
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artemmajake9xx: I know how to select debug/release stuff normally, was not sure about rpm specifics if any18:43
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artemmathree days for fixing app store db issue is quite a lot..18:44
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jake9xxartemma: true, I was out of office today18:44
jake9xxsent request 'what is going on'18:45
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jukeAcce, QLocale::system().name() is also "C"18:45
artemmajake9xx: thanks18:46
Accejuke: I got it, deploy as rpm and restart your app from the icon18:46
artemma10 days for a routine small fix release is about 2-3 days slower than apple app store btw18:47
Accelooks like the SDK passes C as locale when running from there18:47
artemmajust FYI18:47
jake9xxooh, got a reply18:47
Accejust tested and it worked by restarting18:47
jukeAcce, oh, thanks18:47
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jukelocale is en_US, system language is finnish18:48
artemmajake9xx: and reply is?18:48
jukethough i launched from shell18:48
Accejuke: hmm for me it shows correcly fi_FI, even with Qt.locale()18:49
Accemaybe it's because the shell evn variables are set to en_US?18:49
AcceI get fi_FI even from shell18:50
jukedoes ssh carries env variables over18:50
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AcceI think it should use those on the device, shown by command "locale"18:51
jake9xxartemma: ... so hmm18:51
jukeAcce, launching from icon works18:51
jukei had a typo18:51
Acceok, it looks like starting via SSH does something, it shows C for me when started from SSH18:52
jake9xxartemma: managed to find a guy working the issue, stay tuned18:52
artemmahope it's fixed soon18:53
Acceyep, running "export LC_ALL=fi_FI.UTF-8" changed it when starting via SSH18:53
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artemmait's funny that issue is specific to my apps18:53
jake9xxartemma: he's getting your stuff by hand18:54
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jake9xxartemma: yeah! I got the stats a while ago and it did not have any 'special' gap.. but maybe it's just you :) I've got similar stuff ; if something can go wrong in any computerized account creation - it fails with my name/address/id18:54
artemmai am usually the other way around - computers are afraid of me :)18:55
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artemmalet's hope on day 10 update gets through :)18:56
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jake9xxartemma: well.. problem is how store manages updates and harbour sometimes conflicts with that flow18:57
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Nicd-btw, is sys/sysinfo.h available in sailfish?19:02
jake9xxAard: ^19:02
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artemma425405 liked taloussanomat according to Jolla App Store19:19
artemmaTalous Sanomat must be real popular among Jolla users :D19:19
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Hartziseems to be good magazine ;D19:27
mikmais it the only magazine to have a jolla app? :P19:29
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Acceit's so popular, that even readers without a Jolla downloaded it, looking at the numbers19:32
Accemikma: well, I guess so, if you don't count rss reader Tidings, which is many magazines in one :p19:33
hzbhmhmh. should I do something more than pagestack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl("foo.qml"), {param: value}) and initialize that property param on the foo.qml page (inside Page element) to see it? read many examples and tried but just can't figure out..19:33
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Accehzb: is the page pushed properly?19:35
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Acceyou don't have to initialize the property in the foo.qml's root, declaring is enough19:36
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hzbAcce: I have the page on stack yes, but unable to see that param - I tried to declare and I tried to initialize19:37
Accehmm, it works for me as you describe it.. anything on the console?19:38
Accelike, "cannot assign" errors?19:38
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hzbAcce: nothing that seems to help me, it's just undefined. I'm calling push inside delegate ListItem so that I try to pass index variable to the other page to be able to fetch particular "record" from the model19:39
Accethat can be sometimes tricky, I've noticed19:40
Accetry saving index to a JS variable first19:40
hzbAcce: I see the model, if I hardcode the index I get data, but I cannot pass the index value19:40
Acceor try making a function which takes the index, and call that in the onWhatever instead of pushing directly19:41
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Acceafaik the index does not work sometimes when used directly in the javascript part of QML19:41
hzbAcce: tnx, I'll try, let's see.. First I try to save index into some variable and pass that.19:44
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Accealso, if what I suggested so far does not work, pageStack.push(yourpage); pageStack.currentPage.param = index; might do it19:47
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fsck_youRight, so I installed sailfish in my N9 and zypper is asking for authentication. My Jolla account doesn't work. What do?20:00
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mike7b4_on_x230hi folks, today my Jolla died in reboot loop and recover seems not work, my linuxbox do see usb but seems jolla does not activate usb network, phones just shows jolla logo and fastboot on top.20:02
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hzbAcce: \o/ wohoo, onClicked: { pageStack.push(); pageStack.currentPage.param = index; } seems to do the trick. not sure how elegant is this, but it works..20:10
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hzb(I omitted push parameters above, of course there is the url etc)20:10
hzbAcce: so thanks a lot! I can continue with the actual stuff.. that particular problem took quite a lot time..20:11
Accehzb: glad it worked, you're welcome :)20:11
hzbAcce: It's still a mystery to me why I just cannot pass that index variable directly even if it's possible to display it in Item { }  inside that same ListItem20:12
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Accehzb: yeah.. I have a feeling I used it directly somewhere and it worked, but haven't figured it out yet. But most probably it has something to do with the namespaces; it could be some of your parent elements had index property too20:14
Acceand it mixed that with the delegates index20:14
Accesince children can refer to their parents properties without id20:14
AcceI always add the id just to be sure20:14
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hzbthat seems logical, but I also tried to point it with explicit listViewIdHere.CurrentIndex but without success20:15
Accehmm, hopefully someone wiser will appear and enlighten us :)20:16
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hzbmaybe I'll/we'll figure it out some day.. Just now I'm just happy to continue with the actual logic of the app..20:17
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Accehzb, yep, it's sometimes annoying to get stuck with the small things! Like I did yesterday, for some reason my app just crashed without any messages20:18
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Acceand by disabling elements one by one I found out it was because I had ListItem as delegate for something, no idea why it caused a crash20:18
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artemmaHow do I force to show/hide on screen keyboard again?21:05
artemmaand well, how do I check if it's shown?21:05
artemmawould also like to see it's dimensions to resize accordingly.. or maybe page is resized automatically then?21:06
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Jonniartemma: I think that vkb show/hide was answered in devel mailing list few days ago.21:12
artemmaJonni: thx, I'll have a look21:12
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Jonnior in together, but I remember seeing that one just a while ago.21:13
* artemma stopped actively reading list after switching to Jolla - no convenient way to have a second active folder next to inbox21:13
artemmathanks, Ill check21:13
aivot-onAlright, just got Jolla and downloaded the SDK. Where do I go now? Drunken dev-foolery is always a good thing but the sdk is not drunk-user-friendly21:14
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artemmaawesome! Thanks, Jonni!21:15
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BearTis there an easy way to get the text of the currently selected MenuItem in a ComboBox?21:24
BearTi tried[comboBoxId.currentIndex].text but thats obviously wrong21:24
artemmaI added timestamp logging to qDebug and.. on device QML console output doesn't go through qDebug.. bummer21:24
artemmaon emulator it does21:24
Yanielwhere does qDebug even go?21:25
artemmaYaniel: to cout21:25
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Yanielon the device I mean21:26
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Accewould it be possible to point qDebug and console.log to a file?21:26
artemmato cout21:26
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artemmaAcce: google qInstallMessageHandler21:26
Yanielstdout, that is21:26
artemmaAcce: although as I just discovered, QML console logs on device don't go there somehow :)21:27
artemmabut C++ logs do21:27
Yanielwe need debug output to qt creator like in de olde nokia days21:28
artemmaYaniel: stdout is exactly what QtC shows :)21:28
artemmamaybe stderr too21:28
Yanielfrom the device?21:28
Yanieloh, so you can actually debug on device already? nice21:29
artemmaapparently on device qml logs somehow go through the different message handler..21:29
artemmaYaniel: well, if logs for you are enough of debugging, then yes21:30
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artemmaAcce: @faenil just posted
Yanielofc stacktraces and breakpoints help a lot21:31
Yanielbut logs are a good start21:31
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Acceartemma: thanks, I'll take a look21:35
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BearTfyi i got the text of the combobox by using internal(?) stuff in combobox like this[comboBoxId.currentIndex].text21:47
BearThacky but works for now21:47
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BearThmm, when building my stuff for x86 everything works fine. i get my rpm files in my local build output. when compiling for arm i only get a successfull compile but no rpm. of course i can't deploy, since there is no arm device connected, but does that mean the arm rpms are not created either?22:17
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BearTnevermind, you have to use deploy function in the gui i overlooked the last time. of course the run button is greyed out and ctrl+b only builds the code22:19
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Andrwehi, for me the property Qt.application.version is empty after compiling the app although is set correctly. The .yaml and .spec files of my project both specify the version. Is the support of Qt.application.version missing on sailfish or am I missing a setting which has to be configured?22:27
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jpnurmiAndrwe: you need to call QCoreApplication::setApplicationVersion("...") in c++22:32
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Andrwejpnurmi: why is it needed for version but not for e.g. name and arguments? and can I refer to the values set in .yaml because otherwise I have to remember to change this call on every version update?22:34
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jpnurmiAndrwe: application name defaults to the executable name if not set22:35
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jpnurmii have the version duplicated in .spec and .pro (where i specify a macro that is used in c++)22:37
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Andrwejpnurmi: k, thx; maybe I'll find a way to avoid multiple definition but for now I'll use the call you gave me22:39
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* artemma was trying to speed up quick launcher by moving part that reads app list to c++ side, but.. measurements showed it's simple qml list rendering that actually eats time, not file access22:44
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artemmaAndrwe: check Wikipedia code. It propagates version numbers from .yaml down to qml -
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Abby27 I give you some pictures. I hope you like!
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Andrweartemma: thx very much, works like intended22:53
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