Saturday, 2014-02-01

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wickwireHi guys, I'm not being able to use qDebug() << variable; syntax with the SailfishOS IDE04:38
wickwireit doesn't output anything04:38
wickwireis there a special way to do qDebug() in sailfish?04:39
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Armadillobefore im bothering google the next two hours: does anybody if it's possible to read the current system date and time format from QML?09:31
specialheh. I wonder if it's intentional that Formatter isn't documented..09:34
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specialyou can use Qt.formatDateTime and any of these enum values:
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Armadillogood hint, thanks :)09:37
specialSilica has something else, but it seems to be absent from all documentation right now09:37
specialso I'm not sure it's actually supported API09:37
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ArmadilloI'll give QLocale a try :)09:47
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coderusthp: ping09:59
coderuscontactsdatabase.cpp:1028 static QSqlDatabase ContactsDatabase::open(const QString&): "Unable to create contacts database directory: /home/nemo/.local/share/system//privileged/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite09:59
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Armadillosounds like the organizationName issue10:03
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coderusbut its Qt5Contacts internals :D10:06
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walokrais there something the apps needs to change with the
AL13N_droidanyone at fosdem too? im at AW building10:58
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Armadillowalokra you need to set the organizationName if you're using localstorage11:19
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BeholdMyGloryIs there any way to parallelize LocalStorage access in QML applications? I tried using a WorkerScript, but it seems that WorkerScripts can't access LocalStorage ('.import' raises a SyntaxError, and transaction objects can't be sent using sendMessage as far as I can tell). I want to be able to show a BusyIndicator while reading and processing the database, so I don't want to do that in the GUI thread.12:23
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Armadilloshouldn't it be pseudo parallel if u use multiple anonymous functions with no return?12:25
Armadillobut this would cause problems to catch the queries with the busyindicator12:26
BeholdMyGloryHow do you mean, multiple anonymous functions?12:27
BeholdMyGloryThe handling of the transaction object is done in an anonymous function (sent as an argument to the transaction method after running openDatabaseSync), but operations in that function are clearly blocking12:28
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ArmadilloI'm sorry, haven't read your line to the end12:36
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artemmaFor last week or so I am trying to invent a name for a website to create. Something to gather my projects info and a blog on sailfish and cross-platform Qt development with Sailfish as a central part. Something like what used to be or still is (though nt cared after for the last years)12:48
artemmaStruggling to invent a domain name :)12:49
artemmaAny ideas?12:49
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artemmaShould be something that sounds like SW development company with clear reference to sailfish (sea topics?), but not limiting to exactly sailfish12:50
coderusartemma: promote your name e.g agile.com12:50
artemmacoderus: I am running :)12:50
artemmawell, sort of running, for the last three years I don't even clean spam out12:50
coderustoo complex12:50
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artemmamental model in mind: If somebody wants to order a sailfish app, the site should come up first in the search results12:51
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artemmayet somehow I don't want to fixate on Sailfish OS only :)12:51
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coderusI won't support Mitakuuluu development until Jolla make proper way to fetch contacts database for 3rd party applications12:52
artemmaor maybe a starting Sailfish app developer would find associated blog instantly when looking for code example and advices12:52
artemmawalokra: nice idea, a little too complex though?12:53
walokraI don't think that the domain really matters that much. search is more about content than domain12:53
walokraartemma: yeah :)12:54
artemmait's also about positioning and.. well, I would like my to-be-main-domain-name to make sense and be at least not ugly :)12:54 howtosailwithqt.com12:55
walokraqt is hard to put into nice domain12:56 hmm, that's interesting12:56
walokrasailing and fishing brings a bit different context than programming12:57
artemmayeah.. maybe something like sailsoft?12:58
artemmaI think that's quite common in this area to choose one word that makes sense (soft, development) and add something stylish that could be about sea12:58
artemmaor maybe I should forget about company-styled domain and go more for a personal site direction..12:59
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tortoisedocahoi sailors13:04
tortoisedocanyone knows if karsten's speech is streamed?13:04
tortoisedoc(from fosdem?)13:05
Yanielit isn't13:05
walokrano it isn't as u-rooms are not streamed but just recorded13:08
tortoisedochmm audio playbacks perhaps?13:08
tortoisedocpodcasts etf13:09
tortoisedocon another topic13:09
tortoisedocanyone ever namespaced qrc: ressources in plugins?13:10
tortoisedocis that even possible?13:10
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tortoisedocexcept for adding prefixes, I would not know how to "namespace" qrc: res otherwise :/13:20
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tortoisedoclatest update broke windows connectivity?13:28
tortoisedochave to update targets :D13:28
merlin1991artemma: you're going a totally different way than xkcd :D13:33
artemmamerlin1991: ?13:33
merlin1991What does XKCD stand for? --> It's not actually an acronym. It's just a word with no phonetic pronunciation -- a treasured and carefully-guarded point in the space of four-character strings.13:33
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merlin1991that was someones Idea of a dns name :D13:33
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merlin1991tbr: any idea when we'll have a target on the obs?13:41
* merlin1991 wants to jump on the python3 train13:41
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tortoisedocmerlin1991 : brings python 3.0?13:42
merlin1991and pyotherside and sdl 2.013:42
merlin1991for me python3 and pyotherside are the interesting bits :)13:42
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tbrmerlin1991: as soon as lbt is back from FOSDEM I'd expect13:43
tortoisedocfun notification on login via ssh13:43
tortoisedocNOTICE: Env value ignored QT_GSTREAMER_CAMERABIN_FLAGS=1513:43
merlin1991tbr: as soon as that's around I'll have some packages for chum ;)13:43
tbrmerlin1991: nice!13:44
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merlin1991tortoisedoc: yeah I've noticed that aswell13:45
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tortoisedocgrr nemo-transferengine logging is gone?13:47
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Armadillois there another common expression for "Remorse"13:50
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Armadilloit's not easy to translate it to other languages...13:50
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Armadillomaybe "cancel13:52
jukeArmadillo, regret?13:52
Armadilloalso an option13:52
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gabriel9day to you sailors15:16
gabriel9anyone know some documentation about how to add new types of accounts to jolla?15:16
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Sfiet_Konstantingabriel9: no "public" api (except libsignon)15:18
Sfiet_Konstantinyou need to dig nemo code15:18
Nicd-hmm, in C++, if I have a function with a struct argument, do I need to define it as void foo(struct bar variable_name)?15:19
Sfiet_KonstantinNicd-: no15:19
artemmaNicd-: what's the question here? :)15:19
gabriel9Sfiet_Konstantin: no api15:19
artemmayou define func as you like15:19
gabriel9thats wrong15:20
Sfiet_KonstantinNicd-: void something(MyStruct functionName)15:20
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Sfiet_Konstantinor better, void something(const MyStruct & name)15:20
artemmain most real world cases you'd need more like..15:20
artemmaah, Sfiet_Konstantin  was faster15:20
artemmalike he wrote :)15:20
Nicd-artemma: well I have a file where I #include "sys/sysinfo.h" and then I have a constructor explicit Sysinfo(QObject *parent = 0, sysinfo info);15:20
Nicd-when compiling it says 'sysinfo' is not a type15:21
Yanieldepends on if you have a typedef for the struct afaik15:21
artemmaNicd-: First I don't think some declaration is legal, parent = 0 needs to be the last argument I think15:21
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artemmaand sysinfo may or may not be enough, check if it's actually defined n that header15:21
artemmain* that header15:21
Nicd-artemma: thanks for pointing the argument order15:22
Nicd-apparently I should also use #include <sys/sysinfo.h> instead of ""15:23
Nicd-now I have explicit Sysinfo(sysinfo info, QObject *parent = 0); and it says expected ')' before 'info'15:23
Nicd-class/struct names are case sensitive, right?15:23
artemmaNicd-: yes15:24
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artemmaNicd-: try control-clicking the header line. If QtCreator is able to find it, it will open the file15:24
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Nicd-yes, it can find it15:25
Nicd-there's extern int sysinfo (struct sysinfo *__info) __THROW;15:25
Nicd-and an include chain to kernel/sysinfo.h where the struct is15:25
Nicd-sorry linux/sysinfo.h15:26
artemmaNicd-: post actual compiler error. From compile tab15:26
Nicd-/Users/nicd/svn/harbour-sailtime/src/sysinfo.h:15: error: expected ')' before 'info'15:26
artemmaprobably several lines, more than you see in issues15:26
Yanielyes default arguments may not be followed by required arguments15:27
Yanielie = 0 must be at the end of the argument list15:27
Nicd-not much else to it, artemma15:27
Nicd-In file included from ../harbour-sailtime/src/uptimechecker.h:12:0,15:27
Nicd-                 from ../harbour-sailtime/src/harbour-sailtime.cpp:11:15:27
Nicd-../harbour-sailtime/src/sysinfo.h:15:30: error: expected ')' before 'info'15:27
Yanieltry struct sysinfo info15:28
artemmaand line 15 is?15:28
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Nicd-artemma: explicit Sysinfo(sysinfo info, QObject *parent = 0);15:28
Nicd-in a class definition15:29
artemmaWell, that's probably beyond me then, sorry15:29
Nicd-Yaniel: I'll try that15:29
artemmait can't find sysinfo type maybe.. Try just creating a member variable with sysinfo type in your class. See if message is more clear then15:30
Nicd-Yaniel: using 'struct sysinfo* info' got me different errors15:30
Nicd-the pointer is unrelated though, just noticed it's returned as a pointer15:30
artemmastruct sysinfo isn't correct for argument syntax15:30
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Yanielit is what clang wanted15:32
Yanielat least for my own structs15:32
artemmalooks strange to me, but I am not a cpp expert15:33
Yaniel(aalthough that was c, c++ may work differently)15:33
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Nicd-now I have a different problem15:38
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Nicd-how do I create an instance of a struct? Foo foo;?15:39
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artemmaNicd-: yes15:40
artemmaNicd-: you know that there is nearly zero difference between struct and class, don't you?15:41
Nicd-artemma: yes15:41
artemmait's just a question of whether fields/methods are private or public *by default*15:41
Nicd-problem is that the struct is called sysinfo and the function setting its values is called sysinfo15:41
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Nicd-so with sysinfo info; it says that the 'sysinfo' refers to the function15:42
artemmaah, so they can conlfict in the same namespace..15:42
Yanielstruct sysinfo foo;15:42
artemmashouldn't compiler be able to distibguish between a function call and a type?15:42
Yanielstruct seems to be part of the type name ^^15:42
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Yanielunless you have typedeffed an alias for it15:43
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Nicd-Yaniel: yep, that fixed it again15:44
Nicd-coming up with errors I've never seen all the time :P15:45
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Nicd-for example right before a constructor definition: /Users/nicd/svn/harbour-sailtime/src/sysinfoc.cpp:4: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '(' token15:48
Nicd-well, not before, at the same line15:48
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artemmaNicd-: to my understanding what Yaniel proposed just declared your own sysinfo type right in the function arguments. No surprise compiler can't fund its functions15:49
artemmathough.. I don't underand it comletely anyway15:49
Yanielforward declaration ^^15:50
Yanielbut no15:50
Nicd-haha, that was a missing 'struct' again15:50
Nicd-so my constructor is now explicit SysinfoC(struct sysinfo* info, QObject* parent = 0); and it builds fine15:50
Yanielartemma: you need the struct there15:51
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Yanielunless you are dealing with a typedef15:51
artemmaI can't see why sysinfo is different from QObject there. Both are classes15:51
Yanielwhich, in many cases you are15:51
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Yanielsome people like to define their structs as15:52
zbenjamincoderus: ping15:52
Yanieltypedef struct _foo {int a; char b;} Foo;15:52
artemmaoh well, I need to learn more cpp then15:52
coderuszbenjamin: pong15:53
jukein c++ you don't need to use struct key word with type15:53
jukethat typedef stuff is only for c15:53
zbenjamincoderus: is there a known problem with adding new contacts in mitakuulu atm? Because when i try i can't even select a contact its just showing the busy animation15:53
coderuszbenjamin: of course15:54
coderusplease join github and tmo thread15:54
Nicd-juke: didn't work without it though15:54
zbenjamincoderus: its the system update? meh ;)15:54
* artemma thinks it would be a good idea if Jolla people tested OS updates against popular apps or gave developers access to pre-release versions. You know, as Apple is doing15:55
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coderuszbenjamin: yes15:55
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coderusJolla decided to remove privileged from invoker and 3rd party now cant access contacts :)15:55
coderuspretty nice update, isnt it? :)15:56
* artemma is amazed that Jolla isn't bending the rules for the like of coderus to be honest. I would give phonebook access permission to coderus just for the same of getting a WhatsApp client to the platform15:56
Yanielyeah in c++ there are no structs anyway, only classes15:56
coderusrestricting access to common api without giving anything other15:56
artemmafor the sake*15:56
jukein c++ class and struct are the same thing, you don't need to say class MyClass var; like you don't need to repeat struct15:56
coderusartemma: yes it pretty simple to add my binaries to allowed list, but who cares, official android whatsapp have access to cotacts :)15:57
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Nicd-sailfish apps don't have access to contacts?15:57
artemmacoderus: I somehow thought that having navive whataspp, facebook etc was quite important to any new platform..15:58
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* artemma was actually just coing to add contact search to Quick Launcher. Good that I didn't start yet15:58
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artemmathing is Jolla security is a joke, so they seem to fight against by forbidding just everything..15:59
artemmaresulting is a.. sort of J2ME phone experience for the app devs?15:59
zbenjamincoderus: this is ugh :/15:59
artemmano, in J2ME even you can access contacts in most implementations15:59
coderusartemma: 'm not jolla employee, nobody care how comfortable is coding for me :)16:00
Nicd-I would think it's just temporary till they implement it in a better way16:00
artemmacoderus: that's what surprises me16:00
Nicd-but I do agree it sucks16:00
artemmaoh well, I guess Nicd- is right, it's just over reaction16:01
coderusNicd-: of course, but why closing access without something in return?16:01
zbenjamincoderus: at least a UI for the user to change this settings would be nice16:01
artemmanot sure if I could invent anything better if real security was not thought through16:01
jukeandroid style app permissions would be nice16:01
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artemmayou know at the moment any flashlight or whatnot app could send all your contact info to server without you knowing about it16:02
Nicd-coderus: did they say anything about it?16:02
* artemma hopes android permission model will not be used though. Nobody reads it anyway. Apple model is so much better16:02 as a domain name for mostly blog about sailfish coding. Sucks? Sounds okay? Awesome?16:03
* artemma is still searching for a domain name for the cross platform efforts16:04
Yanielsounds fun :D16:07
YanielI can imagine the logo16:07
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zbenjamincoderus: which binaries do i have to add to mapplauncherd?16:08
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zbenjamincoderus: ok this just fixes it halfway. I now can select the contact but not sync it16:12
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zbenjamincoderus: is there a workaround already ? ;)16:15
coderuszbenjamin: no16:15
coderusit seems to be broken since moving to new protocol16:16
artemmamitakuulu on openrepos should be able to access contacts, should it not?16:16
coderusand i have no mood to do anything for mitakuuluu yet16:16
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artemmabuying domain at yahoo is now $34.95/year? Ha?16:18
artemmawhat's another good registrar then? No godaddy16:18
zbenjamincoderus: maybe in the mood for opensourcing so others can help you out? :D16:18
artemmaGoogle Apps seems to offer $5/month services only now..16:19
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walokraartemma: I have heard good about namecheap16:20
artemmawalokra: thx16:20
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artemmahmm, microsoft seems to be into small biz now..16:21
zbenjamincoderus: i take that as a no then ;)16:21
zbenjamincoderus: btw would it be possible to use your backend for a desktop mitakuuluu?16:21
zbenjamincoderus: maybe grepping contacts from a local database?16:22
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artemmaNow the usual choice of wordpress VS drupal again16:34
* artemma used to use Drupal for all his websites, but maybe worpress is simpler to maintain in the end and is simpler for just a blog and few descriptive pages..16:34
* Yaniel would roll his own ^^16:35
artemmaYaniel: that is supposed to be website ABOUT coding ;)16:35
walokrawordpress is way simpler and nowadays quite customized16:35
artemmaI guess there is a plugin for code highlighting for wordpress as well..16:35
walokrai have 3 wp sites and 1 drupal and updating drupal is always pain whereas wp is easy16:36
artemmawalokra: are you doing automated deployments for whole site and its DB and files?16:37
* artemma would like to have one click wipe-reinstall protection just in case16:37
artemmaI can redeploy my drupal code and db from source control in a script16:38
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walokraI don't know why you couldn't do that on wp also16:38
artemmathough didn't help since I didn't care much about spam anyway16:38
artemmayeah, indeed, why not16:38
walokrawp has akismet plugin which kills all the spam I get on my blogs16:39
* artemma is thinking about outsourcing comments to disqus completely16:39
artemmahad too much trouble with akismet-like mollom16:39
Nicd-akismet is awesome16:44
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coderuszbenjamin: i can fix everything, but i have no mood16:52
coderuswhy i should every time make hacks for simple things?16:52
artemmaIf I was building a new device and OS and had only a few people to care either about new features or external devs or firmware fixes or contacts to operators… choice would've been hard16:53
artemmanot that I like the situation, but I can understand16:54
artemmatoo bad to me personally main attraction of Jolla at all is ability to code in my beloved Qt/QML16:54
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walokrahmm, I don't get it. If I ssh to mersdk, it still shows my local home dir (on os x)17:32
Yanielshared folders17:33
jukewalokra, your home is mounted to mersdk:s home17:33
jukevirtualbox can do that17:33
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artemmawalokra: wordpress was easy to setup and start using with disqus and well working coding highlighter thanks. Now only some real content is needed :)17:40
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Nicd-yaaay, my rewritten SailTime works :)17:42
Nicd-now it uses sys/sysinfo.h instead of running 'uptime' on the command line17:42
artemmashould feel faster then17:44
Nicd-well, the old one was pretty much instant too17:45
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artemmaNicd-: interesting after firmware upgrade it didn't feel that slow anymore. They managed to speed up menu pulling somehow regardless of what app is doing17:45
Nicd-but this should be more reliable than parsing the output of `uptime` with regex17:45
artemmagood luck with pushing it through the harbour17:45
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Nicd-sysinfo also contains some other stuff like memory use etc17:46
Nicd-going to display those too17:46
Nicd-and make the load averages easier to read17:46
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artemmaNicd-: can you add some history/accumulation maybe?17:47
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artemmaNicd-: Like sometimes my jolla is freaking slow, I'd like to see in retrospect which bastard ate CPU and memory17:48
Nicd-that would be an entirely different app then17:48
Nicd-I'll probably add an uptime record feature and then let the app be17:48
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EztranI'm pretty sure a time app which gained the ability to show CPU usage of applications would be the very definition of feature creep.17:49
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Nicd-I would much rather port the Maemo BatteryGraph app to get that feature17:50
walokrajuke: my mistake, I was ssh:ing to sdk, not to emulator :)17:51
YanielEztran: as long as it does not send you weekly statistics by email...17:51
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Yanieland there is Crest which shows cpu usage17:51
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artemmaah, indeed, i was confusing sailtime with crest17:55
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Andrilhello all - n9 user needing help :)18:46
jpnurmime too :)18:46
jpnurmiFatal error: File './oss/armv7hl/libsailfishapp-0.0.10-10.1.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm' not found on medium ''18:47
jpnurmi^ while trying to deploy an app18:47
Andriljpnurmi, do you have it installed?18:47
jpnurmii thought it was trying to fetch it from network18:48
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jpnurmii'm currently running vgrade-sailfish_r5.1.tar.bz2 on an n918:56
jpnurmilooks like i can't install anything with zypper. it gives me the same "foo bar not found on medium"18:57
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Andriljpnurmi, so nothing installs19:02
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jpnurmiaha! i should probably replace "latest" with "" in the zypper repos as that's what i'm running19:08
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Gillyhm. started upgrade, the progress meter did not start advancing and now the screen has been black (but on) for a while. i'm starting to get worried :P19:14
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GillyI guess it has died... must reboot I'm afraid.19:22
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Gillyphew. looks like it didn't do anything.. rebooted to the old version.19:26
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mikmagilly: if you would have read the release notes, it's normal that the screen goes black. you just need to quickly press the power button to see the update progress19:38
Sail0ror plugin a usb cable19:39
GillyI had usb cable inserted.19:42
Gillypressing the power button wouldn't wake it up19:42
Sail0rplugin and plugout everytime usb charging does status change19:42
mikmahard, lock, halleluja19:42
Sail0rit lights up the display19:42
Gillyand as I said, the update didn't actually do anything.19:43
Gillyanyway, it succeeded now that I tried it the second time19:43
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Andriljpnurmi, do you have a link for a tutorial20:54
jpnurmiAndril: what kind of tutorial?20:55
Andrilto insatll SailfishOS on the N920:56
jpnurmiAndril: i followed this one:
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jpnurmiAndril: don't use the image, it's unusable due to orientation/scaling problems. better stick to
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walokrahmm, can't rpmbuild on my mac as it can't find find-docs.sh21:04
walokradirectly by ssh:in to sdk and running rpmbuild for spec21:05
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Andriljpnurmi, tried that and all falls apart around Step #621:05
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Abby30 I give you some pictures. I hope you like!
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Armadillodoes the 48 hour counter for harbour apps also run at the weekend, or do I have to wait for 2 workdays?21:39
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walokrathe counter is fake21:45
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walokrahmmm, can't I install own rpms to emulator?21:57
walokralike that emoji keyboard21:57
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EztranWell, the emulator's x86, for one thing...21:58
walokrathose keyboards aren't arch related21:58
EztranYou should be able to though, AFAIK.21:59
jonpackerif I set a properties on pageStack.push, i.e. pageStack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl("OtherPage.qml"), {test: 123}), where does 'test' actually get set?21:59
walokrathe pkcon does the install but nothing gets to the location where it shold21:59
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Armadillojonpacker on the target page22:02
Armadilloit's set as a property22:02
Armadillohas the calendar app a known api for other apps?22:04
jonpacker@Armadillo do I have to do anything special to access properties? page.test is undefined for me22:04
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Armadilloyou have to access them with the id of your page and the property devided by a point22:05
Armadilloworks very well for me22:05
jonpackerstrange. no idea why it's not working.22:06
ArmadilloI'm using properties which are defined at the applicationwindow22:07
Armadilloit's much easier to use them over multiple pages22:07
Armadillobecause you can access those in every page through the idof the applicationwindow22:08
jpnurmijonpacker: does OtherPage actually have a property called test?22:09
jonpackerjpnurmi: no! I guess that I need one defined first?22:10
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walokrahah, obs is great. couldn't create a rpm on my machine for custom keyboard so did it through obs22:35
walokraand thus had to "finish" and put it to github and not just keep it to myself :)22:36
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