Tuesday, 2014-02-04

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jabbounetbye all01:00
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comandercan i get help here regarding to QT ?07:14
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Jonnicomander: depends whats the problem....07:26
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comanderactually  i want get the output  of a process that i evoked from my QT Application07:26
comandervia QProcess and want to get output  either in QtextEdit widget or something else that could do same07:26
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comanderJonni,  actually  i want get the output  of a process that i evoked from my QT Application  via QProcess and want to get output  either in QtextEdit widget or something else that could do same07:29
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Jonniand what is your target platform?07:30
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comanderJonni, linux07:32
Jonniwell #qt channel would be better for generic qt questions, but basicly you you can just do QProcess task; task.start("/bin/ls"); task.waitForFinished(); qDebug() << task.readAllStandardOutput().constData();07:34
comanderJonni, thanks07:35
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tbrStskeeps / lbt / sledges / $other_sailors: https://together.jolla.com/question/13605/visible-open-source-app-community-supported-by-jolla/?answer=23927#post-id-2392707:45
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Stskeepstbr: nod, will look at it in depth when i've caught up with my extreme inbox07:47
tbrplease don't disappoint me, again.07:47
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datakurreHi, is there any way to get video out of Jolla phone yet? Wayland level rdp server or something similar for sailfishos? (On harmattan you could run xvncserver...)07:51
mikmascp / usb07:52
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Accemikma: I think he means, is there VNC or equivalent for Sailfish OS yet08:01
tbrno, but it shouldn't be too hard08:01
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datakurretbr: Sounds like it might be too hard for me :)08:03
datakurreI tried to google, but couldn't figure out, should it be vnc or rdp with wayland (which one would be easier).08:04
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datakurreAnd there seems to be some work with freerdp integration for wayland, but cannot say if there's anything that works in sailfishos context.08:05
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tbrdatakurre: yes, that was a general comment. I know it's not a solution for you, sorry.08:09
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datakurreWell, according to release notes wayland 1.1 should already have an RDP backend.08:11
datakurreBut that would, of course, require also FreeRDP to be ported.08:13
datakurreWell, I'll just wait :)08:13
Stskeepswell, weston08:13
Stskeepsnot wayland08:14
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datakurreStskeeps: Oh, of course. And SailfishOS' composer is probably proprietary?08:19
datakurre(And anyway something I should not be touching myself.)08:19
Stskeepslipstick which does a lot of the heavy lifting is a library and open source08:19
M4rtinKisn't it just lipstick & QtWayland ?08:19
Stskeepsqtwayland is open source, which happens the factual compositor08:19
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Stskeepsmorn KhertanAtwork08:34
KhertanAtworkStskeeps, not too much question at FOSDEM ? :)08:35
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StskeepsKhertanAtwork: well, sufficient to having to cut short08:36
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Stskeepsi decided to stick to the facts instead of trying marketing, so people got the wrong impression that sailfishos was all closed; which isn't entirely true :P08:37
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KhertanAtworkStskeeps, many have that impression, me first, ui closed for the moment for example ... but that far better than any other phone os that exists (and working)08:39
KhertanAtworkStskeeps, but more important, open development ... upstream contribution, so i m happy with what jolla and nemo team have done and are doing08:41
KhertanAtworki would like to contribute more to nemo ... but hum, real life taking too much time for now08:42
Stskeepsyeah can imagine08:42
Stskeepsi think the biggest problem is that people get their itches from things they touch08:42
Stskeepswhich is the UI08:42
Stskeepsand when they want to try and fix it, they run into a closed UI08:42
Stskeepswhich means you don't go into deeper layers, which are open08:42
KhertanAtworkStskeeps, and that core is the most important part08:43
KhertanAtworkand that s part is open ...08:44
KhertanAtworkpfff that was a busy weeks didn't got the time to return my jolla08:44
KhertanAtworkStskeeps, and pretty sure that phone have a soul, he didn't shutdown anymore once i sent a return for repair request to jolla08:46
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StskeepsKhertanAtwork: it's probably crying because it doesn't want to leave you..08:46
KhertanAtworkStskeeps, hum ... now i understand why everyone complain about closed source part, they believe you put an awesome IA in it08:47
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KhertanAtworkStskeeps, did you think he couldn't be battery that stablize after a a hundred charging cycle ? that s pretty strange08:51
StskeepsKhertanAtwork: still trying to get really deep into the issue but part is related to battery state08:52
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KhertanAtworkStskeeps, good luck08:55
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KhertanAtworkStskeeps, this was not ironic08:55
Stskeepsyeah i know :)08:56
* artemma managed to bundle an external qml plugin (nemo policy actually) to his application. Sort'a worked except that requirement to use exactly harbour.myapp.org.nemomobile.whatever forced to change qmldir file and a couple of asserts in the code. Just sharing experience08:56
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KhertanAtworki prefer to specify, english not being my native language :)08:57
* artemma doesn't like that the need to satisfy (easily gameable) Store checker forces you to change source code of the modules you bundle it08:57
artemmaas, certainly, I could have just moved my QMLs to QRC file and checker script would have been happy08:57
artemmashall we lift the requirements for using harbour.myapp imports and instead specify that plugin has to be actually loaded from the binaries bundled with the app?08:58
KhertanAtworkthp, can i ask you how you add nemo:nw in current sdk ?08:58
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thpkaltsi: ^ do you know how to add nemo:mw to the sdk?09:00
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KhertanAtworkthp, i need it to test qrc import :)09:01
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kaltsithp, KhertanAtwork .. if 'ssu ar nemo' as root isn't good enough, then it must be done with zypper: zypper ar -G REPOURL reponickname.. that must be done in (each) sb2 target as root and also in the emulator if needed09:24
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Armadillogood morning09:29
Armadillomy first harbour release has just been published. I want to push an update asap. what is the correct way to do this? update the published app in my app list in the harbour interface and submit it to qa or has this to be done on another way?09:30
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fk_lxArmadillo: you should update the app that is already submitted09:34
fk_lxArmadillo: the current version will stay in harbour until new is published09:34
Armadillothanks :)09:35
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KhertanAtworkkaltsi, thx i ll try09:56
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KhertanAtworkkaltsi, File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on 'http://releases.sailfishos.org/sdk/latest/nemo/plateform/i486'09:59
kaltsiKhertanAtwork: ok so it's not there.. you'll have to use the obs url for nemo:mw09:59
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KhertanAtworkkaltsi, thx10:04
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KhertanAtworkHow did you connect to mersdk vm on Windows ? can't find any ssh client that accept to use the ssh key file10:56
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kaltsiI don't know.. you could make the mersdk window visible and login from console by pressing hostkey+f2 for example11:00
kaltsiyou can login as root and then 'su - mersdk' to become mersdk11:01
kaltsi(which you need when using the sb2 targets)11:01
walokraKhertanAtwork: how about pageant to load the key and then with putty of futty11:01
KhertanAtworkwalokra, pageant accept pkk key only11:03
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KhertanAtworkwalokra, and the key from sdk are openssh key11:05
rafiyrDoes silica have some sort of tabbed pages?11:05
walokraKhertanAtwork: ah, hadn't tested it myself11:05
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KhertanAtworkwalokra, thx anyway for trying to help me11:06
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rafiyrI guess I don't need tabs.  Just something that lets me flick back and forth between different pages.11:06
KhertanAtworkwalokra, i think i ll use the easier solution, put that shitty windows in a vm ... and install a real os11:06
rafiyrWill the sdk use a ssh agent and key from the environment?11:09
Yanielwell, it will generate a key for itself and use that11:10
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rafiyrFor my phone, I'd prefer it use my existing key which I use for sshing to my phone outside the sdk.  That actually has a passphrase and is loaded into an agent.11:12
walokraKhertanAtwork: you can convert the openssh key with puttygen11:12
walokraKhertanAtwork: load the key ton puttygen, save the ppk private key, add it to pageant, log in to mersdk with putty11:13
KhertanAtworkand that for adding a repository to have python3 :)11:15
KhertanAtworkwalokra, i ll try thx11:15
walokrait works, i tested it :)11:16
kaltsiKhertanAtwork: you can login from the console without ssh11:16
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kaltsiI explained it above11:16
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walokrausing ssh has better user experience11:20
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kaltsiyes definitely11:20
kaltsiif there's need to visit mersdk often, then it's worth setting up the ssh environment imo11:21
KhertanAtworkwalokra, that s works ... puttygen -> pageant -> putty11:22
KhertanAtworkkaltsi, walokra thx11:22
kaltsihmm this sounds like a useful faq entry11:23
kaltsisetting up ssh for windows that is11:23
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KhertanAtworkkaltsi, indeed, specially for linux user :)11:35
radiofreewell i got to show off my jolla to 12 people on holiday last week, however i don't think anyone will be buying one :(11:36
radiofreethey all loved the UI, interface etc... but the probably thought "Problems with connection" was the tagline11:37
radiofreethe new update looks like it's fixed a lot of these wifi issues, but sadly a bit too late11:37
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radiofreegeneva airport would be a good place to test the new update, the wifi connection only lasted for about 1 minute tops there11:38
Yanieland this is why the N950 was never released11:38
radiofreethen required a complete restart to get the wifi working again11:38
KhertanAtworkSince i got my jolla, i test for the first time android eco system, and ... ouch ... that s me or quality of apps are far away from the maemo/meego one ?11:39
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Yanielthere are tons of crap11:40
Sail0rI hate how most android apps are designed ^^11:41
KhertanAtworkoh there is a design ?11:42
Sail0rmost of them are for exact one function and you need tons of apps to have basic functions which could easily fit in one app11:42
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KhertanAtworkrah ... i add nemo:nw ... but no python3-devel in qtcreator while python3-base is present11:45
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kaltsidid you refresh the target?11:50
kaltsior what do you mean11:50
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KhertanAtworkkaltsi, yep target refreshed11:51
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kaltsiwhat does "no python3-devel in qtcreator" mean?11:51
kaltsiand what's the nemo:mw repo url you added btw?11:52
KhertanAtworkkaltsi, no python3-devel in the target sailfishos-armv7hl11:52
KhertanAtworkkaltsi, http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/mw/latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/11:52
KhertanAtworkkaltsi, thx for the help11:52
KhertanAtworkkaltsi, python3-base is present after sync and refresh11:52
KhertanAtworknot devel11:52
KhertanAtworkthat strange11:53
kaltsinp.. ok python3-devel is in that repository hmm11:53
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kaltsiI guess you really added this url: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/mw/latest_armv7hl/11:53
KhertanAtworkeven pyotherside :)11:53
KhertanAtworkkaltsi, yep that s what i do :)11:53
KhertanAtworki surely broke something11:53
kaltsiI can find it if I add that repo to my arm target11:54
kaltsipython3-devel that is11:55
kaltsiI'm not sure why it would not show up for you11:56
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KhertanAtworkkaltsi, and python3-devel is present in x8611:57
kaltsicould you re-check your arm repos: sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl zypper lr -u11:58
kaltsiand pastebin that for me pleas11:58
kaltsialso sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl zypper search python3-11:59
lbtkaltsi: I did this yesterday11:59
KhertanAtworklazybear, http://pastebin.com/GFLNzEZ411:59
lbtit doesn't appear to be in the target11:59
kaltsiafter installing it?12:00
* lbt makes sure he's not missed anything12:00
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lbtI refresed the latest sdk target and there's no python3-base in there12:00
kaltsiKhertanAtwork: lazybear? :)12:00
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kaltsilooks like a corrupt tpm database12:01
* lbt goes now .. :D12:01
KhertanAtworklbt, python3 isn't in the sdk ... that s why i'm trying to add nemo:nw repository12:01
kaltsiKhertanAtwork: nemo-mw has been added with ssu.. which doesn't work12:01
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kaltsiyou should add it with zypper using the url you pasted before12:02
kaltsialso: to fix your rpmdatabase, start sb2 session as root and then in that session rm /var/lib/rpm/__db.*12:03
KhertanAtworki added it with zypper : sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R zypper ar -f http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/mw/latest_i486/ nemo-mw12:03
kaltsiand rmp --rebuilddb12:03
kaltsiKhertanAtwork: no.. according to that zypper lr -u it has been added with ssu12:03
KhertanAtworkkaltsi, i ve tryed before with ssu ... that probably explain that12:03
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kaltsiyeah.. you should also disable that ssu added repo with 'ssu dr nemo-mw'12:10
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KhertanAtworkkaltsi, ... hum ... checked everything i can, removed repo added with ssu, added it with zypper ... rebuild database ... sync ... refresh ... same things for target arm, no python3-devel in QtCreator SDK -> SailfishOS -> Target ARM Manage -> Search : python3 ... still no python3-devel13:01
KhertanAtworkkaltsi, but i can install it with sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R zypper install python3-devel13:02
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kaltsiwhat does your qtcreator view look like? do you have "rounded buttons" in it..13:03
kaltsithe sdk control center13:03
KhertanAtworkkaltsi, yep and the harbour rpm validator tool13:03
kaltsiok.. hmm , could you try restarting the mersdk now.. maybe the webview is somehow caching old results13:04
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kaltsifor me it worked the first time also in the sdk control center13:04
KhertanAtworkworks also the first time in x86 target ...13:05
kaltsiok, could you once more show the zypper lr -u output13:05
kaltsifrom the arm target13:05
KhertanAtworkkaltsi, HAHAHAHHA13:06
KhertanAtworkstupid i m ...13:06
KhertanAtwork... on arm target13:07
kaltsiahh :)13:07
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KhertanAtworkkaltsi, sorry for the disturb :) first error using ssu, second adding x86 repo to a arm target, third ... didn't notice it in qtcreator probably due to cache ...13:10
kaltsino problem.. it's not the easiest environment to modify13:11
KhertanAtworkkaltsi, funny that zypper let install repository for an other arch and let refresh it :)13:11
kaltsisure.. it probably indexed the noarch packages from it13:11
KhertanAtworkkaltsi, surely :)13:11
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KhertanAtworkkaltsi, the environment is easy to use if u didn't need a other third party repo13:12
KhertanAtworknow the harder part, ... trying to conform to harbour rules13:13
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kaltsibe prepared to run the validator many times :)13:14
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KhertanAtworkneed before to remain a couple of things to harbour-*13:15
KhertanAtworkouch pkgconfig is install x1113:16
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stephgthe ToH dev kit is excellent13:17
KhertanAtworkstephg, oh, it s released ?13:18
stephgjust reading through the pdf13:19
* stephg knows nothing about hardware hacking but there seems to be a fair amount of info13:19
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Nicd-hey, if I calculate (on Linux) X = Free memory - buffered memory - shared memory, can I call X private memory?13:23
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Nicd-I mean X = Total memory - free memory - buffered memory - shared memory13:23
Nicd-or what's the appropriate term?13:23
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lainwir3dI have a ComboBox and I'm trying to execute something when the value has changed13:27
lainwir3dbut the onValueChanged() signal doesn't seems to work13:28
lainwir3dis this the wrong signal or something is wrong ?13:28
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lainwir3dmaybe onCurrentItemChanged then...13:29
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lainwir3dstill doesn't work :-/13:32
edips_Should we learn javascript for completely learning QML?13:32
Acceedips_: I think you can do everything in C++, JS is there for convenienve when doing light work13:33
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edips_I dont know anythink with c++ :)13:34
Nicd-then you need to learn one of them at least :P13:34
edips_I know a little actionscript, it is like javascript13:34
edips_well okey :)13:35
edips_Im learning to create apps with python-qml13:35
edips_but it is hard to control QML13:35
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lainwir3dany idea why onCurrentIndexChanged doesn't get called ?13:39
KhertanAtworkedips_, if you want to it the right way it s qml which control python ...13:39
edips_KhertanAtwork there is pyotherside which can control python, but I didnt understand it :)13:40
edips_QML can use python like component or library13:41
edips_python can control qml too13:41
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KhertanAtworkthp, can i bother you about python3.3 on device, i got a problem with ssl modules can't import it, look like built without ssl13:46
edips_Qt Quick objects can be controlled via "id" names in QML. Also It can be named by QT designer via "objectname" to .ui files, then it can be controlled with c++ or PySİde. However I couldnt find a way how to control Qt Quick with c++ or PySide.13:50
KhertanAtworkthp, no _ssl in /usr/lib/python3.3/lib-dynload/13:50
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KhertanAtworkedips_, start with the tutorial : https://sailfishos.org/develop-firstapp-code.html13:52
KhertanAtworkedips_, https://sailfishos.org/develop-firstapp-article.html13:52
edips_KhertanAtwork, Thank you13:52
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edips_KhertanAtwork, there is a PyOtherSide example which used numpy library, in thp's github repository. Is it possible to package it as rpm? or numpy should be installed on jolla device?13:59
KhertanAtworkedips_, didn't look at his repo14:00
edips_I tryed to import some libraries to python using PySİde-QML in android, but it didnt work.14:01
wickwireHi guys, is it possible to animate a CoverPlaceholder?14:01
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wickwireor an item inside one?14:02
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coderuswickwire: means?14:17
wickwirecoderus: it's working14:17
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wickwireI was just thinking of placing an animation on the cover area14:18
wickwiresince the app I'm doing doesn't have much use for it - at least not right now14:18
coderusyou should think first how mych proccessor time it takes14:19
thpKhertanAtwork: yep, someone else also noticed that -> https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/python3/commit/bbe3f602812fee5aaa0cfad093b8d12937b9105414:19
matokingAlright, I uploaded my application to OpenRepos14:24
matokingTime to check out if I can install it using Warehouse14:24
matokingYep, seems to work14:24
matokingHere's the application if anyone wants to give it a try :)14:25
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edips_filetug looks beautiful :)14:32
matoking@edips_ Thank you :)14:32
edips_you r welcome14:33
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KhertanAtworkthp, so will not be available before one month right ?14:48
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thpKhertanAtwork: in official repos probably not (but then again, harbour also doesn't allow python yet, there's still some things left to do on the server side)14:49
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thpKhertanAtwork: but it would be good if you could already test it (i'll make sure it's in merproject.org nemo middleware repos), so that if there's something else missing, we can fix it right away and so that you can use python in your apps (+ hopefully harbour) with the next update14:50
KhertanAtworkthp, oh i know, i ll wait for harbour, not in hurry, i ask just to prepar as i need to maitain apps in OpenRepos14:50
KhertanAtworkthp, oh be sure that i ll use it :)14:51
thpKhertanAtwork: for openrepos, you have your own repo iirc, so you can probably upload the python3 rpm with ssl there until it's in the sailfish nemo mw repos14:51
KhertanAtworkthp, i prefer to avoid adding to much dependancies in OpenRepos, to not break future update14:52
KhertanAtworkthp, i don't think that s will happen, but in case :)14:53
KhertanAtworkthp, from what i see, py2 is still available ... so no hurry14:53
KhertanAtworkthp, i ll prepar ui for other project :)14:54
KhertanAtworkthp, thx14:55
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thpKhertanAtwork: good :) let me know if you need anything else or if there's anything else from python3 missing that i've overlooked15:15
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lainwir3dis there an event for "Swipe right" and "Swipe left" ?15:47
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matoking@lainwir3d I think there is a variable in Theme object that denotes how many pixels the user needs to swipe either way for the swipe to be considered an action15:51
matokingOther than that, no15:51
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matoking"startDragDistance : int This property holds the distance a touch must move before the action will be considered a move."15:51
lainwir3dI think I'm not looking at the right place15:52
lainwir3dI just want to switch between pages with swiperight / swipeleft15:52
lainwir3dI just need to work with pagestack I think15:53
coderusattached apge?15:53
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lainwir3dwha... wha.. what ?15:53
coderusdepends on where do you want to swipe15:54
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matoking99% of the time when building a Sailfish application you'll want to base your UI on pages which are pushed on the PageStack15:54
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lainwir3dI'm just looking for a way to push a page with a "swipe"15:55
lainwir3dfrom a Page15:55
matokingSo, when the user swipes to either direction a page should be pushed in?15:56
matokingI think Email application does it so that two pages are pushed on the page and you can swipe between them15:56
matokingWithout either of them popping off15:56
matokingI'm pretty sure Acce explained how to do it15:56
lainwir3dyeah that's what i'm looking for15:56
lainwir3doh !15:56
matokingSo, what you'll want to do is that you push all the pages you need when the application starts15:57
lainwir3dthanks Acce, I was actually looking at this method at the exact same moment.15:57
lainwir3dthanks too matoking ! Trying right now15:57
Acceno problem, coderus said it first though :p15:57
coderusits pushAttached behaviour15:57
matokingOr if you really need to conserve RAM15:57
coderusbut you can have only two pages to swipe between15:57
matokingYou could do it so that page content is inside a Loader object and you load the content when the user brings the page on the front15:58
coderusif you need more you should use listview or pathview15:58
matokingYou most likely won't need to do that but just putting the idea out there :P15:58
lainwir3dseems like pushAttached as been renamed pushExtra15:59
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Accelainwir3d: for some reason the IDE autocompletes to that16:04
Acceas far as I have observed pushAttached and pushExtra both work16:04
Accedon't know which one is "official"16:04
lainwir3dI'll go with the documented one (pushAttached)16:04
lainwir3dboth works indeed16:04
Accecos-: nice16:06
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Acce5w people gather every tuesday?16:07
cos-tuesday is our "public night" when anyone can visit16:07
Accecool, gotta come there some time16:08
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Abby22 I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6916:19
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euroelessarsomebody ban him, please16:22
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edips_Abby22 came here yesterday too, and shared bad things, why dont you ban that?16:29
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Merbotcoderus: Error: "mod!??" is not a valid command.16:39
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Merbotcoderus: Error: "op!??" is not a valid command.16:39
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rafiyrIs there a simple way to instantiate a set of pages that the user can flick back and forth?  Perhaps something like the photo gallery but qml pages?17:08
Yanielhmm no17:08
YanielI guess gallery uses one page for all photos17:09
Yanieland the gesture just flicks the photo displayed17:09
rafiyrWell a pagestack might do, is there a simple example of how to define a list of pages?17:09
rafiyrI looked at the gallery qml and saw that.  Was just trying to help describe the behavior I want in familiar terms.17:09
rafiyrReally this is for a simple remote control application.  I just want a set of pages/views for different devices/environments.17:10
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Yanielwould a device list + per-device page work?17:13
Yanielfor that a pagestack would be just fine17:13
AcceYaniel: just do something like I did with this: https://github.com/Acce0ss/simpleweather/blob/master/qml/modules/Pager.qml17:13
Acceie. horizontal ListView + SnapOneItem17:14
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Accewith pageStack you can only have 2 pages you can navigate back and forth currently I think17:15
Acceotherwise the pages popped "disappear"17:15
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Yanielwell, it is a stack17:16
Yanielas the name states17:16
Acceexactly :D17:19
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rafiyrAcce, how is the pager referenced?17:21
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Accerafiyr: for example like on this Page: https://github.com/Acce0ss/simpleweather/blob/master/qml/pages/ForecastPage.qml17:22
Accehmm actually that link shows it's used.. what do you mean by referenced?17:23
rafiyrI guess, I'm still not seeing where you stuff the list object with the list of cities17:29
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Accerafiyr: do you mean, where the model comes from?17:33
Accethe models are returned from c++ classes as QList<QObject*>17:33
rafiyrPerhaps.  I'm afraid my vocabulary is still a bit weak.  This stuff is fairly new to me.17:33
Accebut you can use any model you might use for a listview17:34
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rafiyrCan I stuff a list model with a set of pages?  Or should I just use Items?17:35
AcceI'm not sure, but using Items would be quite the same as using Pages here I think17:36
rafiyrAnd can I stuff it from qml, or do I have to drop out to an imperative language to fill the list?17:36
lbtdatagutt: datakurre: are either of you the Saildoku author?17:36
AcceI haven't tested it, but I think for example the statuses of Page component cannot be used if it's a listview delegate17:36
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datakurrelbt: nope, sorry17:37
Acceyou can give it a QML array of strings or objects, an integer, id reference to a VisualItemModel component etc.17:37
rafiyrOk, guess I'll have to fiddle a bit.  Thanks.17:38
rafiyrIt's a shame there isn't just a basic widget like a tabbed pane17:38
Accerafiyr: well, it's not actually that hard to make a tabbed pane with QML I think :)17:39
lbtok - ty17:39
AcceYou can use the Pager component I have made for it, even17:39
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Accejust make a PagerIndicator which shows a tab for each "page"17:40
Accethen combine those two into TabbedPane component, which takes model, delegate and other properties17:40
rafiyrI was thinking more about the behavior than the actual tabs for this.  I'm just working on a personal interface, not trying to make anything production quality.  :)17:41
Acceok :)17:41
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metallistois there a easy way to access gps from python?18:42
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coderusthere are no python bindings for gps18:43
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metallistommh ok. so a solution could be to pass them from qml using qtpositioning?18:48
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rafiyrAcce: Think, I finally understand how the list view stuff works and what you did.  Thanks.19:15
rafiyrAcce: Any particular downsides to using "delegate: Loader { source: file }" and just listing the files with the qml for each "page"?19:16
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Accerafiyr: hmm, I haven't used Loaders as delegates, so I'm afraid I don't know if there are downsides to it19:18
AcceI think the delegates are already dynamically created, so not sure if using a Loader is useful, you should check in Qt docs19:18
rafiyrAcce: fair enough.  It seems to work.  Probably good enough for this application.19:18
rafiyrI was having a bit of difficulty trying to figure out how to use static qml to show the different structures that I want for each page.19:19
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rafiyrPerhaps if I feel motivated, I'll look for a more efficient/proper solution.  As for simplicity of code, none of the examples looked remotely as simple as this.19:20
Accehmm the problem is, if you want there to be static info shown in the listview, you should store the info to your model, not the delegates19:20
Accebecause the delegates are not static19:20
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rafiyrEverything I tried to do to shove the views into list elements just complained about nested items.19:22
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Acceyou can easily use a VisualItemModel such as VisualItemModel { MyPageOne {}; MyPageTwo {}; MyPageThree {} } etc19:23
rafiyrOh.  I'll look into that19:23
Accethen you don't need to define any delegate, as the items are the delegates19:23
Turskiideas why this: http://paste.dy.fi/skt looks like this: http://turski.dy.fi/foo/20140204211724.jpg ?19:24
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artemmaHi all19:25
Turskiall inner listview items are on same row...19:25
artemmais here anybody to tell is app store issues are close to resolving?19:25
AcceTurski: try to define contentHeight: Theme.smallItemSize for your inner delegate19:26
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Acceor was it itemSizeSmall..19:26
Acceif it's too small just try Medium / Large19:26
Acceor, but the stuff into a Column19:28
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Turskisetting contenHeight doesn't seem to have effect19:29
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rafiyrOk, the visual item model looks promising.  Will have to play with it more later.19:34
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AcceTurski: are there more than 1 meals per day?19:40
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TurskiAcce: yes19:42
Turskiis listview unable to grow item size or something?19:44
AcceI've had listviews in listviews before and it worked..19:45
Turskiis my model ok? it's array of dicts (or whatever those are called in qml)19:47
Acceif it's just a list of strings, it should be ok19:47
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artemmaMSameer: ping19:52
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artemmaAnybody here with the power of reporting bugs to Jolla bug tracker here? :)19:53
* artemma got a small easily reproduceable code example crashing the device19:53
* artemma will report to tjc, but not sure if bugs are read systematically there19:54
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MSameerartemma: pot on t.j.c and paste a link here (pasting link here is optional)19:59
MSameerjust make sure you tag it with bug19:59
artemmait would be cool if tjc has some sort of bug tracking tags..19:59
artemmasomething like bug-accepted or bug-rejected or even bug-who-knows-we-ll-see-later-maybe19:59
MSameerpost a suggestion there too ;)20:00
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artemmaah, tjc doesn't allow attaching zips..20:05
artemmaokay to dropbox20:05
AcceTurski: using anchors it seems to work: http://paste.dy.fi/jKj20:05
Accejust replace the ListModels with your data20:06
artemmaMSameer: https://together.jolla.com/question/24316/camera-crashes-the-device-when-not-releasing-resource-while-reporting-its-released-also-when-acquiring-resource-while-its-not-free-yet/20:07
artemmawrote there what I could20:08
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Tegua bit longish title20:08
artemmaWe already knew that Camera can crash the device when competing for resources and now we have a clear and simple reproduction case20:08
artemmawell, it's a bug report title, not for usual TJC popularity contest :)20:09
MSameerartemma: i don't think LED is mapped to anything20:09
artemmaI don't mind if somebody adjusts it though20:09
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artemmaMSameer: I see device crashing when app competes with Camera for LED. I *guess* competing for other resources could crash it too20:10
MSameerbeside, I have been capable of crashing the phone by tinkering with camera :p20:10
MSameerartemma: I don't think LED is used by native camera (not sure)20:10
MSameerbut there is a fix that went in which should prevent phone crash and that will come in the next update (I hope)20:10
artemmaI am certainly personally motivated as I am trying to make a legally working app cover controled Flashlight for the damned two months already and now I've got everything approvable by the harbour :)20:10
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Teguhm, that might be the reason for random reboots while using flashlight (at least. has happened without flashlight, too, so it's not just it)20:11
artemmaMSameer: well, if you have a device with such a fix, could you run the linked example maybe?20:11
MSameerartemma: try to use VideoPlayback for now instead of LED20:11
artemmaMSameer: VideoPlayback? :/20:11
artemmayou mean when requesting the resource?20:11
MSameeri am not sure LED is used by jolla camera20:12
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artemmaMSameer: well, camera uses LED in dark conditions..20:12
MSameerit's somewhere in QtMultimedia so should be easy to check20:12
MSameerartemma: there is no point in arguing. you are talking about the ideal world and I am talking about what s done currently ;)20:13
artemmatrying video playback20:13
MSameerthe issue is we don't have any resource policy bit that corresponds to camera HW itself20:13
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artemmaworking sw is most important, but I am trying to understand as well :D20:13
MSameerwe have video playback (dsp) , video recording (dsp), audio playback (corked streams), audio recording (mic?) but we don't have a camera type20:14
artemmacrashed with VideoPlayback as well20:14
MSameerartemma: then we can check qtmultimedia together ;)20:14
MSameercrashed? how nice20:14
artemmawhy qt multimedia? :/20:14
AcceTurski: actually this looks best so far: http://paste.dy.fi/jNa20:14
MSameerbecause jolla camera is built on top of qt multimedia20:14
artemmatest app uses gstreamer level..20:14
artemmaMSameer: I am afraid that's beyond me. I did provide a small and clear reproduction example (made by somebody else though), not sure if I could do more20:15
artemmaexcept for hoping to draw the attention from somebody in Jolla who cares about this topic20:15
TurskiAcce: great, thanks20:16
artemmathat could be exactly MSameer :)20:16
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MSameerartemma: that's not a small example at all :D20:17
artemmadevice doesn't crash every time. I suspect camera (actually underlying QtMultimedia?) is just not accurate when requesting resources: inits before permission is granted and reports releasing before actually releasing20:17
artemmaMSameer: uhm.. can't make it smaller on the app level20:18
AcceTurski: no problem, I'm still bit unsatisfied by the solution :D20:18
artemmaThere's just torch starter/stopper + nemomobile permissions. How could it be simpler?20:18
MSameerthere are 2 FirstPage.qml :p20:18
MSameerwell, I am not the guy doing qtmultimedia or camera20:18
artemmayeah, also the not used strobing timr :)20:18
* artemma believes MSameer has connections and is outgoing enough to speak to those connections20:19
TurskiAcce: me too ;)20:19
MSameerartemma: or the opposite :P20:19
TurskiAcce: i'm breaking my qml now to as top-level as possible20:20
Turskiinlining everything get a bit confusing...20:21
artemmaMSameer: I have only hope to rely on anyway :)20:22
MSameeryou did even more than what's expected from you20:22
MSameerso thanks :)20:22
artemmaLet's hope ones able to fix the bug will also do it sooner :)20:24
artemmathan later20:24
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AcceTurski: yep, if it gets out of hand putting even smaller stuff into separate files helps I think20:25
* artemma wonders if using Camera app and e.g. Instagram's camera results in the same crashes20:25
TurskiAcce: nah, i'll keep this in single file :P20:26
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achipaI wonder what the devel-su password is... am I that bad with googling or is it that undocumented?20:35
Turskiachipa: just set it in developer-mode settings20:36
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cos-phew.. finally got my wireless charging TOH working20:48
Yanielhow long did it take?20:49
cos-one month? :-)20:50
cos-i believe the last issue was that it works only other way on the charging pad20:50
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cos-i also had trouble with the receiver installed in middle of TOH..  moving it to bottom made it work much more reliably20:51
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Yanielnfc conflicting?20:52
cos-i don't think so. my TOH doesn't have the rib which enables nfc20:52
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cos-perhaps the battery degrades charging field20:53
cos-i'll post some photos tomorrow20:53
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Yanielmm yeah, since it is "essentially a solid block of metal"20:55
cos-well not solid, but something covered with conducting aluminium foil20:57
Yanielclose enough20:57
cos-other phones have receivers next to a battery though. i might just have poor receivers.20:58
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Turskii think i'm getting crazy with this qml...21:13
Turskii just can't get it to work21:14
Jonnicrazy in love :)21:14
Turskii hate qml21:14
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Turskiit doesn't work as it should be :|21:14
Acceqml is great when it works, but sometimes it's hard to adapt to it's logic.. just like some HTML5 stuff21:15
Jonnisimple and easy, untill you make a typo or mindfuck :)21:15
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Turskino matter what i do to element heights or contentheights or anchors or f*cking anything but nothing changes21:17
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Turskiand i haven't even added third layer of nested list views here yet!21:19
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Jonnimaybe pastebin here or sailfishdevel so people can point out whats wrong ;)21:29
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TurskiJonni: that's the current version http://paste.dy.fi/jVk21:31
Turskii already tried to do what Acce suggested but for some reason i just can't get it to work for this21:31
Turskiif i can get that to show correctly then i'm fine21:32
TurskiJonni: oh, and my problem was that http://turski.dy.fi/foo/20140204211724.jpg21:33
Jonniforgotten to set width?21:33
TurskiJonni: well, doesn't seem to help21:36
Jonnihmm. lets see if I manage to fire up my creator to test21:37
M4rtinKlooks like missing anchors or missing width assignment21:38
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M4rtinKyou get those from time to time in more complex layouts21:38
Acceyep, I can't see any changes even with width set explicitly for every component21:38
M4rtinKin that case I usually first check I'm really running the code I think I'm running :)21:38
Accepersonally I think it's something that BackgroundItem does without asking21:39
TurskiM4rtinK: i'm now testing with qmlscene21:39
M4rtinKyeah, I do too :)21:40
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Turskijust would need to set up qml highlighting on device vim21:40
M4rtinKactually, I've written it so that I can run the same QML code on both Sailfish & Desktop21:40
M4rtinKuses SIlica on device & Controls on desktop :)21:41
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Turskii hate that ~20 seconds delay when deploying code again to device after just a minor change in qml21:42
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M4rtinKmakes it a bit more complex, but makes it really portable21:42
M4rtinKBTW, Vim: https://github.com/peterhoeg/vim-qml21:42
M4rtinKwell, I just rsync it to the device21:42
M4rtinKand then run it with qmlscene21:42
M4rtinKon the device21:42
M4rtinKis almost instant like this21:43
Turskibut deploying = slow21:43
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Turskithere should be some integrated solution in creator too for just quick rsync21:43
M4rtinKI actually don't use QtCreator :)21:44
M4rtinKbut PyCharm & vim :)21:44
M4rtinKand have OBS build packages for me :)21:44
Turskii don't really like qtcreator too21:44
Turskiusually i use vim21:45
M4rtinKit seems to be really nice for generally Qt/C++ development21:45
M4rtinKbut is rather chaotic IMHO21:45
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M4rtinKnot sure about Python support21:45
M4rtinKI think some was recently added21:45
AcceMy current version of the snippet: http://paste.dy.fi/36e21:46
Acceworks, but don't know how well that would scale21:46
M4rtinKI mostly combine Vim with a couple of plugins like vim-jedi, fugitive, gitgutter, pylint NERDTree, etc.21:47
M4rtinKand PyCharm community edition, mostly due to the indexing it has, mass renaming, etc.21:48
M4rtinKgenerally for more complex stuff like modRana21:48
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TurskiAcce: lots of empty there21:48
Turskibut at least readable :P21:49
AcceTurski: yes, since I used height/count21:49
Acceyou would need to set the "outer" listviews height differently to reduce the emptiness21:50
Turskii see21:50
Acceit would certainly be nice if it would figure it's height from the combined height of it's children though21:50
Turskiit's just quite stupid that it can't calculate correct height implicitly21:50
M4rtinKthere are many ways you can set the delegate size & margins21:50
TurskiM4rtinK: but this with default values looks bit bad: http://turski.dy.fi/foo/20140204211724.jpg21:51
AcceThere are many ways, but what is the correct way? or is there a correct way at all?21:51
M4rtinKheight/count might not work very well if you want it to work in landscape for example21:51
Turskioh, you already saw that screenshot...21:51
Acceyes, it probably won't.. but what would you suggest then?21:52
M4rtinKTurski: you mean vertical separation or how the text is over itself ?21:52
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TurskiMaster-Passeli: overlap21:52
Accein landscape you would need to spread the stuff out instead of piling it up, anyways21:52
M4rtinKso every delegate should have multiple lines of text vertically ?21:53
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TurskiM4rtinK: every delegate is a item with listview21:53
M4rtinKoh so nested list views ?21:54
M4rtinKdepending on how you set the viewport21:54
M4rtinKthere could be some issues with scrolling21:54
M4rtinKI have something similar in modRana21:55
Turskibetter ideas then?21:55
M4rtinKbut it is a single list view and the nested ones are just repeaters21:55
Turskihow do you get data to repeaters then?21:55
M4rtinKand the main list view handles scrolling21:55
Turskiyeah, that's what i want21:56
Turskii'm generating just one large array of dicts which have more arrays and dicts and arrays of dicts and string in the end, and i want to generate my contend from that21:57
M4rtinKwell, I have not yet ported this one to Qt5/PyOtherSide21:59
Accecan you use a model with a Repeater?22:00
M4rtinKbut I think it should be possible to just give the Repeater the given subtree of the model as model22:00
M4rtinKAcee: seems so22:00
M4rtinKworst case you can get it a list of strings and make te delegates fetch the corresponding values22:01
M4rtinKI'll need to have something like this myself22:01
M4rtinKas I have a list of map layer groups and each group includes some map layers the user needs to be able to select22:02
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Turskihmm, i've been thinking about repeater earlier too but now it sounds better than when thinking it last time :P22:02
M4rtinKBTW, it looks like this in the Qt4 version: http://modrana.org/images/qt_gui/modrana_qml_layer_selector_group_selected.png22:03
AcceTurski: looks like Column { Repeater {} } works better than listview22:03
TurskiAcce: yeah22:04
Turskii agree22:04
rafiyrM4rtinK: glad to see you're working on modrana for sailfish.22:05
M4rtinKAcce: nice idea with using Column & Repeater, saves some layout code :)22:06
M4rtinKrafiyr: sure :)22:07
M4rtinKrafiyr: there are even installable packages already22:07
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Acceand you can even Column { Label {} Column { Repeater {} } }22:08
M4rtinKrafiyr: but not much functionality yet :)22:08
Accebuut, the items still pile up :/22:08
rafiyrI don't know when I'll have a chance to try it out anyway.  But, will do next time I go for a road trip.22:08
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M4rtinKit will be available from OpenRepos once basic functionality is working :)22:09
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TurskiQML Column: Cannot specify top, bottom, verticalCenter, fill or centerIn anchors for items inside Column. Column will not function.22:18
AcceTurski: take a look at my latest version: http://paste.dy.fi/3v922:19
Turskiat least column gives some warnings instead of just failing...22:19
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Acceyou can take the anchor.top & anchor.bottom statements away22:19
Acceplus, if you take the BackgroundItem away and use a Column as top level component for the delegate, it doesn't pile up!22:20
TurskiAcce: !22:20
TurskiAcce: you're a genius22:20
Acceif I was a genius, I would have come up with this in the first place :D22:21
Turskiwell, now you are a genius22:22
Turskii probably should go to sleep22:23
Turskibut now that all makes sense22:23
AcceI think the problem was that BackgroundItem has property implicitHeight, which is used if no height is set22:23
Turskibut it should anyway be able to figure out the minimum height from content?22:24
Accenope, it seems like it will use that implicitHeight no matter what, unless height: is set22:25
Acceso the stuff "overflowed" over the next item22:25
Turskiwow, sounds stupid22:26
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Acce"BackgroundItem places its children in a contentItem which is sized to the size of the BackgroundItem. This is generally not noticable, however does affect the usage of childrenRect, e.g."22:29
Accelooks like the "correct" way is to say: width: contentItem.childrenRect.width and same for height22:30
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artemmastudying libresourceqt. Is there a guide somewhere (can't google it)?23:20
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artemmae.g. if I set Permissions to autoRelease, how to I request stuff again after the automatic release? enabled property doesn't change so I cannot re-enable it.23:22
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achipathis [F] QWidgetPrivate::init:1094 - QWidget: Cannot create a QWidget without QApplication is killing me23:44
achipaWHY does anyone thing that going for an exit() from a framework is okay?23:45
Yanielwhy would you thing that going for a QWidget would be okay since it was explicitly forbidden? :P23:46
achipabecause that's what the app does - tries to figure out what libraries/tech is available23:48
achipaYaniel: if it's forbidden, don't ship the library (or headers)23:48
YanielI see23:49
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achipaYaniel: if it would just fail with a nice NULL or sthing, all would be fine, but no, it actually exits23:53
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achipa(btw widgets work just fine, it's the combination of QML and QWidgets that gets kooky)23:54
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