Thursday, 2014-02-06

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Nicd-hmm, top shows 269 processes but my app shows twice that... :P08:17
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Stskeepscalculating threads too08:19
Nicd-it uses information from sys/sysinfo.h08:19
Nicd-technically threads are processes on linux, aren't they?08:21
Nicd-just with shared stuff08:21
Nicd-yep, seems it includes threads too08:22
Nicd-thanks Stskeeps08:22
cos-does anyone know if dirkvl is planning to sell kit versions of the kb toh?08:29
cos-i'd be happy to get the electronics & hinge and do the rest myself08:29
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Armadillogood morning08:40
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Nicd-hah, couldn't get text to wrap even though I used the same code as in another place08:44
Nicd-turns out I had written Theme.PaddingLarge instead of Theme.paddingLarge08:44
jussiNicd-: so much hanging on just a small pee... (pun intended)08:47
jussi(and also, I so read that as "Theme.PuddingLarge" ) :D08:49
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Armadillois there a way to stop the Dialog.accept() procedure, for exmaple in the onDone signal?08:54
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ArmadilloI want to check the data which was inserted by the user before the Dialog closes and if the data is invalid to stop the accept signal08:55
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suyNicd-: I think that no, threads are not processes. Although I'm unsure if they get a PID. I think they do.09:02
Nicd-as I've understood is that processes and threads are mostly the same on Linux, threads being processes which share memory and some other stuff09:06
Nicd-but that's only the implementation, of course they're different on a conceptual level09:07
suyBut If one thread crashes on my app, the whole app crashes. If the app spawns processes and crash, the app doesn't crash. Is that so?09:09
suyOne process has one thread of execution, unless you start more. So threads are inside processes.09:10
Nicd-conceptually yes but I was just talking about the implementation since it explains why my code shows twice the amount of processes09:11
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suyYes, they share some implementation. Each thread of execution has a process ID, for example.09:13
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suyI've not been very precise, I guess. This is what I remembered from class time:
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Nicd-btw, anyone had the problem where the UI of your app is frozen when you deploy it?09:21
Nicd-I can pull the pulley menu and hear it click but the UI stays frozen09:21
Nicd-when I minimize the app to its cover and open it back again, the UI works fine09:21
Nicd-I've only had this happen when deploying to the phone from the SDK09:22
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Armadillono, haven't had this issue yet09:26
Armadillohow do you deploy via the sdk?09:26
Armadillobuild the rpm and copy it to the phone?09:27
Nicd-"Deploy as RPM package"09:27
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Armadilloso you're talking about the emulator vm?09:27
kaltsiNicd-: it may/may not have something to do with the way the sdk runs the app, which is not exactly the same as starting from the icon09:27
kaltsiobviously needs fixing in the sdk09:28
Nicd-Armadillo: no, my phone09:28
Nicd-I'm deploying to the phone with "Deploy as RPM package"09:28
Nicd-kaltsi: ok. it's not a major bug09:28
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Nicd-just annoying sometime09:28
Nicd-doesn't happen every time btw09:29
kaltsiyep, I think I've seen it sometimes too09:29
ArmadilloI always build a rpm with mb2 and copy and install it manually to the phone09:32
Armadillonever had this issue, so it has something to do with the deployment method I think09:32
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sjtoikthere is something odd with the sdk build tools. it keeps referring to non-existing paths, and i had to create /home/deploy in order to build a rpm.09:35
kaltsisjtoik: where are you building? all that should be set up by the sdk installer09:36
sjtoikwith in qtcreator with default settings09:36
kaltsithe mersdk virtual machine does have /home/deploy, don't know how you would not have it09:36
kaltsiif you had to create it into your host machine, then something's wrong09:37
sjtoikouh. this is the arm target09:37
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sjtoikafter creating the /home/deploy into my own machine, the build finished and the app runs correctly on the phone.09:38
kaltsithat's.. not supposed to be needed09:38
sjtoikthere is probably one leaking check, that is done against local filesystem instead of vm's09:39
kaltsithere's not09:39
kaltsiI don't have /home/deploy in my host and no-one else has it either09:40
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kaltsiwhich version of virtualbox are you running btw?09:40
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sjtoikkaltsi: ok. i'm not able to recreate the problem anymore.09:44
sjtoikkaltsi: 4.3.609:44
kaltsisjtoik: ok that is good09:45
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sjtoikbut the problem was real, and i didn't do much to get over it. so it could be issue only with fresh installs like mine was.09:46
kaltsiit's sort of impossible09:48
kaltsiwhere did you put your project's source files?09:48
sjtoiki'm building those examples currently09:49
kaltsiand is your $HOME directory standard /home/username or perhaps a symlink or something09:49
sjtoikit's on different drive, but nothing too odd09:49
kaltsidid you open the example from qtcreator directly with 'open file/project' or did you let it copy the project files somewhere when you clicked the example icon?09:49
sjtoiki opened the example  .pro into the creator. didn't copy anything.09:50
kaltsiok.. you should click on the example and let qtc copy the project for you somewhere09:51
kaltsiin welcome page, go to examples tab and click on one of them09:51
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kaltsiI need to test the case if you open it directly.. maybe there's some strangeness there09:51
sjtoikbut it is now building as it should09:52
kaltsidid you get any files under your HOST's /home/deploy btw?09:52
kaltsithe mersdk virtual machine mounts your $HOME as /home/mersdk inside the virtual machine.. but otherwise /home is local to the VM09:53
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kaltsidid you install the SDK to your $HOME/SailfishOS or somewhere else?09:54
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kaltsiI'm just very curious how it could happen..09:55
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TheBootroohi !09:59
TheBootrooi found a bug in Silica09:59
TheBootrooContextMenu work fine on ListItem if they are used as delegate for a SilicaListView, but not as section.delegate10:00
sjtoikkaltsi: it's $HOME/Development/SailfishOS, i'll try with a fresh sdk vm.10:00
TheBootrooon sections, when menu is open, it overlays following items instead of pushing them down....10:00
TheBootrooi tried multiple tricks to workaround, doesn't work10:00
kaltsisjtoik: remember to remove the directory ~/.config/SailfishAlpha3 after you run the uninstaller..10:00
khertanis there a workarroud to make debug working on device ?10:00
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Accekhertan: run gdb via ssh is the only way I know10:02
khertanAcce, :( was working so nicely in previous sdk release10:03
Acceor do you mean the debug and console messages??10:03
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khertanAcce, run debug button in qtcreator10:14
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sjtoikkaltsi: sorry. can't re-create my own mistakes :)10:17
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kaltsisjtoik: no problem.. strange issue anyways10:19
Accekhertan: oh, it never worked for me so I didn't know it was functional once10:19
khertanAcce, was fonctionnal in alpha1... not sure for alpha2 sdk10:19
khertanAcce, this make debugging code mistake more difficult without it10:20
coderusTheBootroo: sections not designed to be context menus or dynamic height :)10:21
coderusi dont think its a bug10:21
TheBootroocoderus: i will find a workaround10:21
TheBootrootrust me10:21
TheBootrooi'm a serial tricker in QML10:21
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khertanAcce, the problem is that i got segfault when launched from qtcreator ... and everything works well when launched from terminal on device via ssh10:29
khertanAcce, so difficult to debug ... if error didn't happen10:30
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lainwir3dcan someone tell me why the left margin of my row is not respected ? :-(11:16
lainwir3dhere is the code :
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edipssailfishos supports apndoid apk?11:17
Venemoedips: yep11:18
edipsSO why do you try to develop sailfishos apps instead of android apps?11:18
edipsI just wonder :)11:18
edipsI see11:19
lainwir3dand Qt :-)11:19
edipsI think It is hard to develop Qt-QML-c++ apps11:20
Armadilloyou're wrong11:20
Armadilloit's very easy11:21
edipsIm trying to learn qml-qt, but I think it looks hard :)11:21
edipsIt is easy to develop QML gui, but it is hard to manage it with c++11:21
edipsfor developing qml-c++ apps, we have to learn c++ and Qt SDK11:21
lainwir3dthe "old" QWidgets were more intuitive for new developers I think11:23
lainwir3dbut qml seems a lot better for mobile apps11:23
edipsyes it is better, but understanding signal-slot connection between c++ and QML is a bit hard :)11:24
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lainwir3dOk ! It works now, I just aligned the row center to the center of the column so I don't need a leftmargin anymore11:27
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lainwir3dis there a way to change a Slider color ?11:47
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juke_wohoo! my app was approved!11:54
lainwir3dwhat is your app ?11:54
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ArmadilloI'm waiting for the first update of mine :-/11:57
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lainwir3dwaiting for release of mine12:06
juke_are the updates processed faster than initial submissions?12:07
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Accekhertan: true. there are some differences in the environment when run from qtcreator, ie. the locale is C12:10
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Acceeven if your device's locale is something else12:11
Accemight that have something to do with it?12:11
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ppI wonder how I can figure out what the mozilla guid of the browser is :P12:13
ppit's not one of the standard firefox/whatnot ones, obviously12:13
pp(trying to force an addon to run)12:13
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joonahoiyou mean user agent?12:18
ppha, I can always look in the install.rdf of an addon that does run :-)12:18
pp     <!-- fennec2 -->12:18
pp        <em:id>{aa3c5121-dab2-40e2-81ca-7ea25febc110}</em:id>12:18
pp        <em:minVersion>17.0</em:minVersion>12:18
pp        <em:maxVersion>28.0</em:maxVersion>12:18
pp(I think)12:18
joonahoiaa, right12:19
ppthat information is very well hidden :-)12:19
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ppnope, but did the trick12:23
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juke_my jolla phone has be on for 3 days without charging and battery is 63% left12:24
juke_it didn't have sim but it was on wlan the whole time12:24
juke_it's like the golden days of mobile phones when it was enough charge once a week12:25
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joonahoithe mobile connection will draw the charge quite a bit, but i time around 3 days with basic usage12:26
joonahoii had to be charging the previous phone daily12:27
juke_(tbh i had to disable TOH daemon)12:28
Armadillowifi goes into sleep if the device is not connected via usb12:28
Armadilloso this saves a lot of energy12:28
juke_can apps wake the phone?12:28
joonahoijuke_: the toh daemon issue was fixed in
joonahoiso no need to disable it any more12:29
juke_oh, nice12:29
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khertanAcce, hum ... locale should not be a problem for python interpreter12:43
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lainwir3dmy app was rejected :-(13:18
lainwir3dbecause of the name of the package / bin, didn't notice you needed "harbour-" as a prefix13:19
lainwir3dSDK didn't told me though13:19
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cos-lainwir3d: you are not the first one..13:26
cos-what would be the support e-mail for together?13:26
cos-is is the webmaster here?13:26
Accelainwird3d: there is some kind of rpm validator in the repos for MerSDK, which you can use to check the naming and other stuff13:27
cos-doesn't the sdk validator do it?13:28
Acceprobably, I just don't know where the validator is in qtcreator :)13:28
AcceI read the FAQ before submitting13:29
cos-one of the buttons in the left side which displays vm statuses etc13:29
cos-the validator can be found on that page13:29
Accesailfis OS tab?13:31
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lainwir3dcan't find it13:33
juke_you have to update your sdk13:33
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juke_it's like 1-2 weeks new feature13:34
Accejuke_: how'd you update it? from sailfish OS tab?13:34
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Accenice to know, I thought it would find the packages with that management tool or whatever13:34
edipsis there any sailfishos slice components that we can use for other platporms like meego components?13:37
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cos-edips: if you mean silica for other platforms: no13:39
edipsok thanks13:40
cos-i asked about it last week from a jolla guy and he said no and no plans for it13:40
edipsI see13:40
cos-possibly community could implement something but i doubt it'll happen soon13:40
edipsI checked from gitrous and I didnt find it too13:40
cos-that's why my app is not a silica app.. it's a pity13:41
edipscos your app is not saidfishos app?13:41
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cos-edips: it's portable13:42
cos-should run on anything qt runs on13:42
edipsM4rtinK created an app using meego components with PySİde which seems Simulator's QML source13:43
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edipsSo I though maybe sailfishos's qml sources can be use for other mobile platforms13:43
edipsI see cos, I try to make apps like you13:43
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gabriel9do i need to install some packages on the phone to enable debbugging?13:47
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gabriel9it just breaks with this message: Debugging failed.13:48
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lainwir3dhmm the SDK tells me there is no update13:49
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lainwir3dMy SDK doesn't show me any update13:59
gabriel9time to check gdb13:59
gabriel9lainwir3d: what update13:59
cos-edips: let me know if you figure out a nice way to do it13:59
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cos-perhaps some community-driven mobile components library could work13:59
lainwir3dwell I'll try to submit my corrected rpm without checking it with the SDK. I hope there is nothing wrong with it anymore.14:00
lainwir3dgabriel9: SDK update, 2 weeks ago or something like that.14:01
edipscos I started QML-PySİde programming this year, im new to programming :) But I have an android app with PySide-QML14:01
edipscos, My app includes meego components as, Its source is like Qt Simulator's source, it is same.14:03
edipsSo maybe there is a way to do it with sailfish's QML source using virtual device's sources14:04
lainwir3dit would be interesting14:04
cos-are they licensed so that it would be legal?14:05
edipsyes, but I think M4rtinK has many information about it, maybe he succeeded to do it, because his modRana app is portable too14:05
edipsI dont know about it, I also wonder it has copyright or not14:06
edipsI will ask about it to Martin14:06
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edipsIf you want to take a look, there is an example about meego components apk:
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lainwir3dhave to go, bye everyone !14:19
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edipsbye !14:21
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edipssome QML libs in there, maybe they r importable :) SailfishOS/mersdk/targets/SailfishOS-armv7hl/usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica14:26
edipsbut there is "Copyright (C) 2013 Jolla Ltd."14:27
edipsI assumed sailfishOs is opensource14:27
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ln-edips: open source and copyright are not mutually exclusive, not at all.14:32
edipsI see14:34
ln-edips: all GNU software is copyrighted for example, and almost all other open source software too.14:34
edipssorry I dont understand GNU software licences..14:35
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fluxthough I understand those headers are not free open source software regardless?14:36
edipsln, can SailfishOs silica qml components use for commercial purposes?14:36
edipsI mean for other platforms14:37
fluxas far as I understand it, the Sailfish Silica UI is proprietary.14:37
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edipsyes I assume it too14:37
edipsIt has BSD license14:38
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khertanpffff i ve something to debug ... but without qtcreator debug that s really painfull14:40
fluxkhertan, pfft, back in the day we debugged with debug messages and we liked it!14:41
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khertanflux, yeah yeah ... you liked it, i was using a env with a real debugging tools14:45
khertanok what available to print var in console in Qt ?14:46
khertanqDebug() << QString("test") didn't compile seems requiring a const QString14:46
fluxreally? I wouldn't have expected that.14:47
kaltsiqDebug() << "test";14:47
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khertankaltsi, qDebug() << myQString;14:48
khertandidn't compile14:48
kaltsi#include <QDebug> ?14:48
khertanindeed just got an incomplet struct debug message now14:48
khertankaltsi, thx14:48
kaltsinp.. been adding lots of qDebug()'s to qtcreator lately :)14:49
khertanwhen strange problem happen never forget to clean all14:49
khertan... i was getting a strange error on qDebug line call ... after cleaning i got a correct message14:49
khertanflux, was using Symantec Think C on Apple System 6 and previous, and debugger wasn't bad14:51
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khertanhum C Code return a QString with right content ... QML display NaN (Not a Number ?)15:21
khertanany idea ?15:21
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BearTq_invokable or property?15:29
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krnlynghas anybody written gles or even sdl apps for sailfish yet?15:59
Stskeepswell, gles is easy-ish, look at simple-egl for wayland16:00
krnlyngStskeeps: i have a problem with sdl on both n9 and jolla16:01
Stskeepsthp made sdl2-wayland i think16:03
merlin1991krnlyng: thp also has chro.mono and some other gles game in the store16:04
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merlin1991Petals is the other game16:05
locusfwhat are the current writable paths for harbour applications?16:07
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Accelocusf: XDG standard paths16:24
Accethere is more info in the harbour FAQ at harbour.jolla.com16:25
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locusfAcce: yes but what are they literally, eg. in paths, I cant access XDG_CONFIG_HOME via qgetenv16:34
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Accelocusf: have a look at QStandardPaths:
Accetheir absolute paths are in ~/.config/appname/... and so on, or ~/Documents etc16:40
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rafiyrIs there some way I can check/control the backlight from a terminal (over ssh fwiw)16:41
rafiyrOh good, it came back on its own :/16:43
BeholdMyGloryIs it possible to disable auto sleep while on a certain page in an app?16:44
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Armadillogood evening ladies and gentlemen16:59
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Nicd-Sfiet_Konstantin: the bars look like this now: :)17:02
ArmadilloI like the keyboard background :D17:05
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locusfAcce: ok thanks :)17:11
Nicd-Armadillo: you can get it here:
Nicd-it's my programming keyboard :D17:14
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Armadillothanks :)17:16
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ArmadilloI'll get a photo of my illuminated black one and try this :)17:17
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khertanBearT, q_invokable17:22
khertanBearT, Q_INVOKABLE QString read();17:22
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meeeI'd like to download and parse some html page in sailfish app. What would be the best way to do it?17:40
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Accemeee: check if QWebFrame is allowed17:55
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meeeAcce: if I understand correctly, I need QWebPage to obtain proper QWebFrame, but QWebPage is missing17:57
Acceor use SilicaWebView QML component17:57
Acceit has html property, with the page html in it17:57
Accenot sure if you can create a DOM object17:57
Acceto use javascripts getelementbyid etc17:58
meeeI can get html using other methods, but I need to traverse DOM, which SillicaWebView does not provide17:58
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Sfiet_KonstantinNicd-: beautiful :)17:58
Accemeee: yes, sorry I didn't think that through, the string only is not useful..17:59
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meeeAcce: I can use python via pyotherside, but I'd rather not (seems slow, needs more memory and causes me some weird bugs when closing application)18:01
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khertanmeee, that s not slow, that s didn't require too much memory18:11
khertanand weird bug when closing apps is due to people not coding properly in python18:11
khertan(threads still running)18:11
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khertani hate to repeat myself, that s grumphy myth that python is slow make me angry all time18:12
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meeekhertan it;s not about python being slow, it's more like initialization of python through pyotherside seems slow to me18:14
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meeeok, how to use pyotherside properly (don't leave threads,etc...)? I need to download and parse html from several places in my app18:15
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meeeI created one Python 'object' in qml and added it as property of main qml file18:15
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Khertan_i don t use pyotherside yet as python3 on sailfish didn t include ssl18:16
Khertan_meee: look at pyside example18:17
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Accemeee: anyways, as far as I have understood, due to popular demand QtWebkit is allowed (there was some stuff about it on mailing list), although only non-widget classes. Ofcourse, it would be nicer if Jolla provided the classes they use for eg. SilicaWebView18:19
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meeeKhertan_ thanks,  I'll take a look18:22
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flotronHi, i enter to the Sailfish Emulator's terminal but i can't login. I used root nemo19:32
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flotronany help?19:33
Yaniellogin to where?19:33
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mikmaflotron: generate the password, enable ssh login and use account "nemo"19:33
flotronwhen i just enter to terminal Yaniel19:34
flotronit ask for user pass19:34
Nicd-set it like mikma told19:34
Acceflotron: ssh -p 2223 -i SailfishOS_install_folder/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/SailfishOS_Emulator/nemo nemo@localhost19:35
Acceif I remember correctly19:35
flotronmikma i ssh with winscp19:35
Armadilloyou remember correctly ;)19:35
Accedoes winscp use putty as engine? then it needs to convert the key files into putty private key format19:36
flotroni already can enter with winscp, i just can't use the emulator's terminal19:37
Accewhat do you mean by enter?19:37
flotronbrowse folders19:37
Acceso connect in the same way to the terminal19:38
Accewith putty19:38
Acceor winscp if it has terminal19:38
netzviehAcce: I think he's talking about the terminal app?19:40
Acceof winscp is only for files?19:40
Accethen use putty19:41
Armadilloa terminal app in the emulator which can be accessed via ssh makes no sense I think19:41
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Acceyou mean, fingerterm?19:42
flotroni mean the terminal that you access when you press right ctrl F2 in emulator19:42
Armadillouse putty to connect via ssh19:42
Armadilloas Acce already mentioned above19:43
Acceyep I use ssh too, didn't know that right ctrl + F219:43
flotronok i will try putty19:43
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flotronworking! the easiest way was put Putty.exe inside prrogram files and run it from winscp already logged in19:54
flotronthank you19:54
Armadilloyou could also use Pageant to store the key, that putty and winscp can use this key store on connect19:56
Armadillobut if're satisfied with your solution it's ok :)19:56
Armadilloif you're19:56
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kuroschhey could some help me with a warning I am getting?20:06
Nicd-don't ask to ask :)20:06
kurosch[W] QQuickWindowPrivate::polishItems:264 - QQuickWindow: possible QQuickItem::polish() loop20:06
kuroschwhat/ how / why?20:06
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Nicd-possibly this:
Nicd-did you google it?20:08
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kuroschyes it gave me the implementation20:08
kuroschof QQuickWindow20:09
kuroschthanks that solved it20:12
kuroschand have another question, on a Combobox with a:  menu: ContextMenu { Repeater ... } I am getting an "Cannot read property 'width' of null20:14
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ArmadilloAm I right, that the onDone signal of a Dialog is only called if a Dialog is being accepted or rejected?20:20
Armadillohi cvp20:21
cvpcoderus, you are here ?20:21
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BearTkhertan: sry, was afk. i don't see any problem here. no idea why NaN could come to your qml (except when NaN is actually in the string before)20:24
AcceArmadillo: yes, I suppose that is so20:25
Armadilloso there is no way to check the data and if all is ok save it and send the accept signal?20:29
Armadilloin that case I have to use a normal page for this20:29
Acceuse onAccepted and onCanceled20:31
Acceno wait20:31
Armadillosure, but what if the data the user entered is not valid?20:32
Accesorry misread it20:32
Accehow about doing dynamic error checking20:32
Acceshowing error under text input?20:32
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AcceI think you can have somekind of enabled / disabled for accept20:33
Armadillosure this is a solution20:33
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ArmadilloI should think of a recode of this page, the current code makes it very hard to do dynamic error checking20:34
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Armadillothe other problem was, that the dynamic version generates a lot of database interactions, which I want to avoid because of higher load -> shorter battery life20:36
AcceArmadillo: can you not load them once, when the page is loaded20:38
Acceand store them into properties?20:38
Accethen only save them to db if they are succesfully accepted20:38
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ArmadilloI have two data fields which can be changed by the user, but both form a unique field who's uniqueness has to be checked before I write data to the database or I'll get an sql error20:40
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ArmadilloI tried to catch the sql error and show a warning, but this is the problem with the dialog I've spoken about above :D20:41
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Accehmm well, if the dialog doesn't come up that often, I don't think doing database query everytime the user changes input hurts much20:42
Armadilloyes I'm thinking about this at the moment20:42
Acceotherwise you would probably need completely alternative input / different schema for the db20:43
ArmadilloI'll give it a try tomorrow20:43
Armadillohehe yes, that's what I wanna really avoid :D20:43
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Armadillothank you again for the help, I'll go to sleep now :)20:44
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Acceno problem, good nite :)20:45
Armadillogood night :)20:45
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Nicd-so what's the new path for localstorage?20:51
Nicd-where the dbs are stored20:51
Nicd-nvm, found it20:54
Nicd-it was under .local/share/appname/appname/QML/OfflineStorage/...20:54
M4rtinKdepartment of redundancy department -> /appname/appname/ ?20:54
BearTwhat was the intention of putting it in appname/appname?20:55
M4rtinKkinda don't get it if this is really the canonical path and not a bug in the update :)20:55
M4rtinKalso I would kinda expect that in .config20:56
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Accethe path names depend on how you setup them in your app21:06
Acceit's probably supposed to be organization/appname21:06
Nicd-yeah, I haven't set anything21:06
BearTso organisation defaults to appname if unset? and previously has been the empty string?21:08
AcceI don't remember the functions you use to set them, but it's just few lines to the main c++ file21:08
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Acceno idea what it has been previously, but it looks like it defaults to appname now21:09
Acce     QCoreApplication::setOrganizationName("MySoft");21:09
Acce     QCoreApplication::setOrganizationDomain("");21:09
Acce     QCoreApplication::setApplicationName("Star Runner");21:09
Accethis is how we are supposedto set them, according to qt docs21:09
Nicd-I can just run those in my main function?21:10
Nicd-something to keep in mind for the next app :)21:10
BearTunfortunately this is not done by the example code that is generated with every new project. at least it has not been before, don't know if they updated that also.21:11
Nicd-they haven't since there has been no SDK update21:11
mikhasAcce, now that you paste it like this, the API looks somewhat fugly21:11
mikhasone static function with 3 parameters would work just as well …21:12
Accemikhas: hmm, I guess there is such option too21:12
Accebut you know the new trends, all for clarity21:12
Acceif you had just one function, people would complain they never remember which parameter is which21:13
mikhasAcce, types21:13
Accealthough autocomplete tells that to you, if you read the code21:13
mikhasthat's where you need to embrace the type system …21:13
Accetypes? they are all strings21:13
mikhasprecisely, that's the problem21:13
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mikhasif each param was its own type, the compiler would help you to get the order right21:14
Accewell, I don't know how that is better21:14
Nicd-but decent editors do that already21:14
mikhasthe way you pasted it just looks ugly :-)21:14
BearTi think it would be enough to use the IDE and let them show the variable names. I'd think it would be strange to see code that creates string wrappers just for clarity21:14
Accewell it's straight from the docs :)21:14
mikhasBearT, you often see that in math-related libs and it's not too bad really21:15
mikhasam not claiming that the docs would win a beauty contest21:15
mikhastypedef should be enough anyway21:15
AcceI think clarity is good, as it doesn't really matter how long your variable names are nowdays21:15
AcceI have tried to read some code where all functions and variables where abbreviated like21:16
Accecalculate this and that => ctat()21:16
M4rtinKthere are some crazy long names in Java & GObject stuff21:16
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mikhasM4rtinK, tell m about it …21:16
BearTmikhas: i know that from math too, but were talking about simple string constants and not something that actually has a unit21:16
Acceyou don't have to go to craziness21:16
Accejust have good balance21:16
Acceand remember the screens are bigger now than in 80's21:16
mikhasanyway, I think we use strings too often in APIs because we are lazy and everyone loves strings21:17
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AcceIt's true, and people are becoming scriptis21:21
Acceand don't care about types21:21
Accebecause "it works fast enough anyways"21:22
BearTbut as long as the string is not parsed afterwards I'm really fine with string parameters21:22
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AcceI have also heard someone say "Optimize, but only when necessary"21:22
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Acceat least I never get anything done, if I just keep going over stuff thinking how to make them best optimized21:23
Accebut again, balance FTW21:23
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M4rtinKwell that's the well known "Premature optimization is the root of all evil." saying21:24
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M4rtinKyour algorithm needs to be fist correct, then fast21:24
BearTa balance between productivity and the good, warm feeling of having saved a few cycles. but as we all know cycles == power and power consumption == global warming and thus we save the planet by premature optimization ;-)21:24
Acceor, we could just make better HW21:25
M4rtinKstill, one should do at least basic stuff like using the most suitable sorting algorithms, etc.21:25
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M4rtinKbah, planet21:25
Accewell the stuff that is well researched and well-known, should be used21:26
Accesince it doesn't take time, it's already there21:26
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M4rtinKyou are postponing the heat death of the universe, slowing down entropy! :)21:26
Acceentropy, my dearest enemy21:26
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BearTI'm having troubles with my MerSDK vm. i can not log in via ssh. when i start the machine in virtualbox i see that all shared folders are working correctly, ie. i have /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/mersdk available. when i do file authorized_keys inside the VM i only get 'data' as a result and less also warns me about a possible binary file. if i watch the same file on my host machine in ~/SailfishOS/mersdk/ssh/mersdk the file command tel22:03
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n3961how to change my name in irc :)22:04
juke_/nick newnick22:04
juke_depending on the client, it might not be that22:05
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edipshi M4rtin22:06
edipsmeego qml components have copyrights?22:07
edipscan it be used for commercial usage?22:07
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M4rtinKthere should be a license inside, so check it22:09
M4rtinKI'm not sure if it is GPL or BSD/MIT22:09
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M4rtinKedips: also I think the graphics might have had some strange license22:09
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M4rtinKlbt: looks like the sailfishos_1.0.3.8 target is not yet added on the main target listing22:10
M4rtinKlbt: but can be selected by the advanced interface22:10
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edipsharmattan QML components can be used for commercial purposes?22:22
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RantanenI get weird results when I'm stepping through QTDeclarative sources with GDB.23:22
RantanenRandom segfaults. Almost as if my sources are wrong.23:22
RantanenThis in the emulator23:22
RantanenI've got following packages installed: qt5-declarative (as per default), qt5-declarative-debuginfo, qt5-declarative-debugsource, qt-declarative-qtquick and qt-declarative-qtquick-debuginfo23:24
Rantanen(Mainly I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with my QML Binding {} as I'm trying to do two-way binding between C++ QObjects and TextField text properties)23:27
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BearTsry, wrong window23:34
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