Monday, 2014-02-24

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Maria22 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like!
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Rachel21 You can find funny videos here.
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Daniella23 You can find funny videos here.
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Tiffany27 You can find funny videos here.
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kimmoliFor virtapoika and about qml/c++ integration, you can try my Qt project wizard with simple example It goes to \SailfishOS\share\qtcreator\templates\wizards (at least it is this under windows)07:31
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m4g0gcan I use one model for 2 views?08:24
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m4g0gHow I can turn diplay on in emulator if i accidently turn it off?08:27
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stephgright-ctl H is it?08:37
stephgI can't remember08:37
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m4g0gstephg: YES!!Thx,\08:56
m4g0gI don't undersand how to create coverPage according to
suym4g0g: what's the problem exactly?08:57
m4g0gI got this:
m4g0gHow I should manage coveractionlist with silicaView to show one over other without covering08:58
suym4g0g: layouts. For example, use a Column, and put the two inside the column.09:00
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suyMmm, no, I wasn't getting you properly.09:02
suyThe CoverActionList only can contain 2 CoverAction, and they appear side by side.09:02
m4g0gsuy: it09:02
m4g0git's not important09:03
m4g0gcolumn doesn't help because in this case my listview shows only one item09:03
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suyI don't follow you. The problem are the CoverAction(s) or the content of the Cover?09:04
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m4g0gthe problem in cover layouts: SilicaListView (if I specify anchors.bottom: coverPage.bottom) cоvers actions list but I want to do as here: - listview doesn't cover actions list09:06
m4g0gIf I don't specify bottom anchor for listview - my list view shows only one item09:06
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suym4g0g: I haven't tried with a very big Cover, but have you tried like in the example?    anchors.centerIn: parent09:11
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m4g0gno. It doesn't help. May be I shouldn't use list view in coverpage?09:13
suyI've tried one app that has a list view (a task app), and if the list is too long, it appears below the CoverAction(s). Let me check the source09:14
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suym4g0g:  Here. This works well, even if hte list is too long to fit the screen. It just appears below the buttons.09:16
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Tofesuy: doesn't it help to simply use clip:true around your list ? It will decrease performance, but it is static enough, that should be fine09:22
suyTofe: unsure, but that example doesn't even require that. You just make the cover fill the parent, and the layout works.09:27
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m4g0gis it possible to elide text but without showing ...09:40
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Tofem4g0g: I think there's an elide mode for that, like just cutting the text09:49
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Tofem4g0g: actually it might just be choosing no eliding at all09:51
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m4g0gTofe: sorry? elide addin the cutting places but I want withour them09:52
m4g0gTofe: without elide margins doesn't work:^-(09:52
Tofedid you set explicitely the width of your Text object ?09:53
m4g0gTofe: no/ I use anchors09:54
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Tofenot sure then, sorry09:57
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larsemilwhen can i run sailfish on my nexus5? :)10:03
netchiplarsemil: When someone ports it...10:04
larsemilyeah. longing!10:04
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AndorretaHi! Any chance to get the source code for the N4 image or some alpha images to flash?10:17
tbrAndorreta: talk to sledges, be prepared to help work out the kinks and fix bugs10:19
walokraSo they write everywhere that " company has also released its Sailfish OS 1.0 version" but where is it? or do they mean
sledgeshi Andorreta , pm me your name and email + what tbr said; to become early adopter10:20
tbrwalokra: 1.0.4.x presumably10:20
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tbrwalokra: marketing speak 'released' as in 'we're showing it to investors during MWC'10:20
pp_maybe even 1.1!10:21
pp_Or my favourite, sailfish-release rpm -> Sailfish release 1.0 Epoch: 110:21
tbrthe target for the update4 rollout is early march, as they also explain on TJC10:21
pp_that's what the epoch tag is for! :P10:22
walokrayeah, I read that. just waiting the changelog10:22
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walokraaargh, hate developing on windows. to use new commandline tool, i need to reboot10:22
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sledgesWh1tebird: if you want to become an early adopter, pm me your name, email, and intentions :)10:33
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m4g0gpls give me an example of using listview in cover page10:36
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wickwirehi guys10:43
wickwireVenemo, coderus: about that issue with the jolla ambiance deployment, I think I got something10:43
wickwireI changed the spec file10:43
wickwireand manually added a missing dir10:44
wickwireand managed to successfully build and deploy an ambiance to the device10:44
wickwireI posted my findings here:
wickwirethere's probably room for improvement, but at the moment it seems to work10:45
wickwirethank you for trying to help out as well10:45
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m4g0gany examples of coverpage with listview?11:17
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* suy is going to spank m4g0g when he/she reconnects11:23
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jussioooh, spankings!!! :P11:27
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stephgeveryone loves a good spanking11:28
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fluxwhich reminds me, there is no whipping-app for jolla!11:29
korhojoait had better play the winamp intro11:30
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m4g0gHow I can add SilicaListView to coverPage and this view doesn't cover actions list?11:35
Sfiet_Konstantinm4g0g: you don't do this :P use repeater11:36
Sfiet_Konstantincolumn etc.11:36
m4g0gColumn doesn't help11:36
m4g0grepeater - i think this is bad idea because all data in models11:36
Sfiet_Konstantinm4g0g: what do you want to do11:37
m4g0gI want to do the same as in contacts app: some data from my model in cover page11:37
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m4g0gbut this data covers action buttons and specifying anchor.bottom: doesn't help11:38
suym4g0g: did you read what I told you already?11:38
suym4g0g: there you have a ListView in a CoverPage11:38
m4g0gThis doesn't work too.11:38
suyand it works11:39
m4g0gI am trying to build your project to test11:39
suyIs not my project, but I have the the app open here, and I can assure you it works.11:39
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suyArmadillo: hey, nice to see you. I was quoting your very harbour-tasklist as an example of how to put a list in a cover :)11:45
Armadilloyes, I heard of that ;)11:45
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Armadillobut I think the answer has already been given11:45
Armadillothis works:
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Armadillojust put a ListView in the CoverBackground Component11:47
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Armadillobut not a SilicaListView, this is important!11:47
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ArmadilloI think that crashed the Cover, but I don't remember exactly11:47
Armadillowas some weeks ago11:48
m4g0gsuy: nonworking ewxample11:49
m4g0gArmadillo: see link too, pls11:49
Armadillowhat is not working there?11:50
m4g0glist view covers actions list11:50
suym4g0g: you were saying " this data covers action button", that's not what happens in that image. The buttons cover the data.11:50
m4g0gsuy: it's not important. One covers another. I thinsk -this is afful11:51
Armadillothe list is below the cover action11:51
m4g0gbut in phone app - all fine11:51
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suym4g0g: fair enough. Then I completely misunderstood you (or you didn't phrase it correctly).11:52
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m4g0gsuy: It's my problem. I didn't phrase it correctly but problem there is11:53
ArmadilloI also thought about this. maybe I'll cut the list some entries earlier11:54
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suym4g0g: I'm looking at it, but I'm at work and I don't have the SDK. I'm looking at other apps, and probably they use some list of a pre-calculated amount of elements. E.g. the notes app shows 3, the phone one shows 4 entries.11:58
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Armadillois the problem how to stay above the cover action icons independent of the cover height?11:59
m4g0gmay be12:00
m4g0gI think that coveractionslist fills all available area12:00
Armadillogive me some minutes, I'll test it12:04
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Armadilloif I change line 122 of my code to this: height: parent.height-14012:11
Armadillothe list is cut at that point12:11
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Nicd-are the android hw buttons dead on sailfish?12:22
Nicd-or can you get some use for them?12:23
sledgesyes, ideas welcome what you'd like to map them to :D12:23
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Nicd-if you run alien dalvik apps, will it have double buttons?12:23
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Armadillosledges I would like a popup with "This is a Sailfish, not an Android phone." on every button press :D12:26
sledges+1 :D12:26
ArmadilloSailfish on my Motorola Photon Q would be great, but my porting skills and available time are too low to realize this I think^^12:28
netchipsledges: Is the Android compat opensource?12:31
sledgesnope :/12:32
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kimmoliNicd-:  My suggestions; swipe left for the <--| (thing) and swipe from left edge for the []  - but Armadillo suggetion is also nice'12:33
m4g0gArmadillo: -100 is good for me =)12:34
m4g0gIs it possible to acess to my app icon from my code?12:34
ArmadilloI haven't found a way12:34
m4g0gand how to remove my app from emulator?12:34
sledgeszypper remove myapp12:35
ArmadilloI added it in a separate directory in the qml directory twice to access it12:35
Armadillom4g0g the only problem you have to think about is: what happens on future devices with higher screen resolution12:36
Armadilloyou'll maybe need a combination with a relative size which changes with the device's resolution12:37
ArmadilloI don't know if this will work for example with the Theme variables12:37
ArmadilloI'm using paddingLarge at many points for example12:37
m4g0gI can't find the way to specify m,ax number of items in view.12:37
m4g0gthis will help me, for example12:38
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Armadilloare you appending Items dynamically to the list?12:39
Armadilloyou you have to read the list count every iteration and stop after the limit you set for example in a global variable12:40
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Nicd-oh damn. I've used 84600 as the amount of seconds in a day in my app12:43
Nicd-turns out it's 86400 :(12:43
m4g0gArmadillo: i can't because I use one model in 2 views and in the second view should be all items12:43
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cos-is the "official support" coming to N9(50) also?12:46
Nicd-cos-: there will be no official support for nokia phones12:47
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cos-ok. licensing issues?12:49
tbrwell there won't be official support for nexus4 either12:49
tbrit will be essentially community driven AFAIU12:50
tbrsame as the N9/N95012:50
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Nicd-cos-: jolla cannot support sailfish on phones by other manufacturers unless they have an agreement12:53
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netchipNicd-: I think they can. If I reflash my phone, it's my choice and I may do the hell whatever I want with it12:56
FireFlyNicd-: what kind of app?12:56
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cos-Nicd-: yep.. and they have an agreement with samsung i suppose12:57
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Armadillom4g0g that's the reason why i split up to two models, to be more indepedent form the cover12:58
Nicd-FireFly: sailtime12:58
Nicd-it only shows itself as jumping to the next day too eagerly12:58
Nicd-but when you cross the day border, it's fixed again12:59
Nicd-I'm pushing out a bugfix now12:59
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juke_Nicd-, is sailtime your app?12:59
Nicd-juke_: yes13:00
m4g0gArmadillo: I specify item delegate height and limit view size wth 6 * delegateHeight13:00
juke_i am just curious how did you get that background refreshing working13:00
juke_i tried doing something similar with qtimers but they don't work after screen is shut down13:00
walokrahmm, jolla went with the booth babes way. wasn't it shown that booth men are more effective for sales purposes :)13:01
Nicd-juke_: it's just a javascript timer13:01
m4g0gabout images: I should use qt resource system or something else?13:01
walokraups, wrong channel13:01
Armadillom4g0g that sounds good, I'll also try this13:01
juke_Nicd-, hah, seriously? :D:D13:01
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Nicd-juke_: take a look at
juke_oh man, this is too much13:01
Nicd-juke_: it's here:
m4g0gArmadillo: And  i test situation with lots of running applications - it's scales normally13:02
juke_so those do not freeze when screen is off but qtimers do...13:02
Nicd-well, a QML timer to be exact13:02
Nicd-it does freeze13:03
Nicd-I made a note about it in the settings page13:03
juke_oh, well that changes things13:03
Nicd-the timer isn't always fired when it's supposed to when the screen is locked13:03
juke_so the same issue13:04
Nicd-it's a power management feature13:04
juke_so i've heard13:04
juke_i almost got excited that i could have background measurements in netradar13:05
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Nicd-ok, update submitted to qa13:08
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nh1402sorry about that13:11
m4g0gI create my first jolla app =) Congratulate me =)13:12
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juke_m4g0g, gz!13:12
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gabriel9|workwhat is it?13:13
m4g0gthis is client for getpocket.com13:13
m4g0gthe next, i hope, will be native goodreads client13:14
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gabriel9|worknewer used that ones13:18
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gabriel9|workbut, do ou have some models in C++? I need some examples and tuts to finish mine...13:19
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gabriel9|worki coded them for N9 and when i tried to convert them to Sailfish hell of C++ unleashed13:20
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MSameerlbt: I have an issue building sailfish apps in mer obs, they end up limking against libhybris which will never be allowed for store I guess?13:22
kkruglovhey all13:22
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kkruglovauthor of yt video with jolla showed on nexus 4 give this adress13:23
kkruglovsaying: be early adopter and giving this adress13:23
MSameerlbt: perhaps we need to import sailfish sdk to build against13:23
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sledgeskkruglov: hello, pm me your name and email, and what would you like to help with13:24
kkruglovpm where?13:24
sledgesi'll tell you13:24
kkruglovkk thx13:25
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Andy80mhall119, welcome here Michael :)13:27
lbtMSameer: how so ?13:27
lbtthe linking against hybris I mean13:28
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MSameerlbt: it's what happens13:33
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MSameerlbt: want to check?13:33
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lbtwell, I'd prefer a suggested fix13:33
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MSameerlbt: I don't know how to fix it so I can not suggest13:34
MSameerlbt: since I don't know what is being imported13:34
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lbtOK - I'll take a look13:35
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MSameerlbt: at least it doesn't look like hybris is being installed while building but after installing the rpm I checked with ldd and:13:35
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MSameerlbt: => /usr/lib/ (0x43db0000)13:35
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MSameerlbt: so I don't get it13:35
lbtwhich target ?13:36
lbtI may have my prjconf setup wrong13:36
lbtget phaeron to take a look13:36
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MSameerlbt: phaeron sailfishos:
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lbt*nod* ,,, just checking :)13:37
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phaeronlbt: mm13:47
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phaeronMSameer: your packages seem to build fine ?13:48
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lbtwondering if my prjconf needs work13:50
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phaeronlbt: specific issue ? I don't understand the context :)13:51
lbtscrollback a few mins - MSameer's hybris linking issue13:51
lbthuge amount of join noise here13:51
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phaeronlbt: hmm why do you have mer core from mds2 in build path ?13:53
phaeron( probably unrelated )13:53
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phaeronMSameer: there is no hybris stuff in platform target, so what you see on device is probably only hardware adaptation in play. check the rpm with rpm -qp --requires <foo.rpm> please ?13:55
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phaeronI bbl :)13:57
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AileAm I correct or incorrect to summer that the14:10
AileNexus 4 port is not yet public?14:11
coderusno public ports at all14:11
AileAh, I figured, thanks14:12
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sledgesAile: but you can become early adopter14:13
AileHmm, what's the cost?14:13
sledgesyour email14:13
sledges(not here ofc)14:13
sledgespm me14:13
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kimmolisledges: How long it takes to port Sailfish on X, X+ or XL ? (aro)14:34
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Andy80kimmoli, it depends if the bootloader is locked or not14:36
Andy80and I guess it's locked14:36
sledgeskimmoli: better to ask cyanogenmod guys first14:36
sledgeswhat they can break14:37
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kimmolii did break my work: System is out of erased blocks for Chip:014:37
sledgesfi it runs cm, it runs sfos ;)14:37
kimmoliyep whoops indeed.. fl0001_check_erase_queue_sizes: Can not find block from Chip:014:38
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kuroschhey got a simple stupid question, when I use <pageStack.push("qwertz.qml",props)> how can I access the variable props in "qwertz.qml" ?14:42
kuroschohh duhh nevermind14:43
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VDVsxkimmoli, better to run sailfish on the new lumias :D X hw is quite low end15:32
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kimmolino - i dont have lumia either15:34
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flotronI have nexus 4 now! only to run sailfish15:37
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sledgesyou're the hero :)15:42
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brick5492where can I download sailfish?15:42
brick5492for my N4?15:42
brick5492I really want it :)15:43
brick5492I am a html5 developer15:43
sledgesflotron: brick5492: pm me your names emails and intentions, and we'll get back to you15:43
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brick5492@sledges, where can I put my email?15:44
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brick5492Just PMmed you my email, Sledges. Thanks!15:45
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HarryValentihow can i join for the beta?15:49
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HarryValenti_any way to join the beta?15:56
brick5492Same as I asked :)15:56
brick5492You need to give sledges your email15:57
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HarryValenti_oh, thanks brick! how can i do that? i mean, direct message sledges15:58
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sledgesyes please HarryValenti_ :)16:03
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AntonioLatianoGood evening to all!16:09
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sledgeshello Antonio16:09
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AntonioLatianoI saw a video about Jolla Sailfish on the nexus 416:10
AntonioLatianosorry for my poor quality English16:11
HarryValenti_hi (ciao)16:12
AntonioLatianowhen the flashable zip will be available?16:12
AntonioLatianoI know it is a question that leads to boredom16:13
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AntonioLatianobentz and harryValenti_, you are italian?16:15
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bentzthe author of the video said on comment that you can find the flashable here.16:16
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bentzsi si AntonioLatiano16:16
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bentzsono italino16:16
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AntonioLatianoi will talk anyway I will speak again in English so everyone can understand (non credo che c'è bisogno di tradurre vero?)16:18
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sledgesAntonioLatiano: we are rolling early adopters program16:19
sledgespm me your email and intentions :)16:19
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sledgesif you want to become an early adopter16:20
Dazzozois there anything in the works for the nexus 5?16:21
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AntonioLatianoi'm sorry can you help me? i don't use this website and i don't know to send a pm16:24
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AntonioLatianoor someone else...16:25
bentzAntonioLatiano, usa un client IRC...16:26
AntonioLatianoho visto su wikipedia il comando /msg16:26
AntonioLatianovale anche qui?16:27
bentzsi si vale16:27
bentzfai /msg nome_utente e messaggio16:27
AntonioLatianoperfetto grazie mille16:27
sledgesDazzozo: it will depend how community picks it up from the floor :) we'll release porting instructions16:29
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avivbyoSo whatsup ?16:36
Guest61613any idea when sailfish os for nexus 4 will be available for testing?16:37
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avivbyoI want it so badly16:38
mirkoloneme too16:39
sledgesGuest61613, avivbyo : if you want, sign up to be an early adopter: pm me your name email and intentions to help :)16:39
sledgesmirkolone: ^16:39
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avivbyoslegdes how do i pm you?16:39
sledgesavivbyo: "/msg sledges hi"16:39
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gezzeso where is the zipfile ? :D17:14
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Shin_NeMeSiSi think they are cooking it... and some cookies... xD17:16
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ChimChimYou needed to msg sledges, but he appears to be offline currently :)17:21
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Shin_NeMeSiSthanks :)17:21
Shin_NeMeSiSbut... no, cookies? :(17:21
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sledgescome to the darkside, we have cookies :)17:22
ChimChimlol, my client said you went offline17:22
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sledgesinteresting :)17:25
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ChimChimindeed hehe17:26
ChimChimSo when can we expect the build?17:26
sledgessoon(TM) ;)17:27
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ChimChimHaha :D17:30
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bentzsee you soon!18:16
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gTan64sledges, did you see my  message yesterday?18:19
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salamadonnahi guys i would like to help testing the sailfish port for the nexus 4, where can I start?18:22
gTan64sledges, I've been working on my own port of Sailfish to the Nexus 4 for the last week or two, and I had it mostly working with Freedreno drivers/X11 at one point (font rendering issues, probably due to the above)... I never got hybris to work. I was contemplating releasing my port, but I wasn't sure if there were legal issues with redistributing Jolla's closed source apps or practical issues with pre-empting your release. What ar18:24
gTan64e your plans with regards to releasing your port?18:24
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tsukimorisalamadonna: contact sledges via pm18:29
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sledgesgTan64: yes I read your msg, but you were offline. See latest Jolla's press release regarding downloadable Sailfish OS for Android devices18:36
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Morpog_PCso soon :D18:45
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sledges /join #soon18:49
sledgesto find out18:49
ChimChimoh god18:50
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jorbasSo I was doing some reading on mobile OSes, and I came across Sailfish OS. I was curious as to why Sailfish was created, as opposed to getting behind Tizen, effectively the successor to what Sailfish is born from (I guess).19:01
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jorbasWas it to get away from the likes of Intel, to be a completely seperate entity, or is there other reasons?19:02
sledgesnon-corporate driven agile company, avoiding fate of meego19:03
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n-iCehello guys19:06
n-iCefirst time here! is this an Android OS?19:06
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n-iCeno android based?19:07
n-iCeare there apps yet?19:07
Siddenot android based no. but it can run android apps through alien dalvik19:07
Siddethere is native apps yes19:07
n-iCewhere do I start?19:08
jorbasWith a lot of the other new mobile OSes being heavily based on HTML5 (Firefox OS, Tizen), Sailfish sort of bucked the trend, what was the reasoning behind that?19:09
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jorbasI'm assuming that Qt apps are meant to be the "standard" for Sailfish19:10
Sidden-iCe: i think jolla will release rom's for lots of android devices to run sailfish on. Otherwise you can buy a smartphone at jolla.com19:10
Eztranjorbas: does help that the developers really like Qt :)19:10
n-iCeSidde: so it is not a rom I can flash in my phone?19:11
sledgesjorbas: there is no standartised API for html5 apps to interact with underlying hardware to be integratable enough19:11
ChimChimn-iCe: not yet19:11
M4rtinKjorbas: also HTML5 still seems rather limiting for non trivial applications19:11
sledgesjorbas: HTML5 as such, is not yet certified as standard19:11
sledges2016 iirc19:11
Sidden-iCe: don't know the date they will release it19:11
n-iCeI saw a youtube video with a N4 runing this OS19:11
n-iCeHow is that possible19:11
ChimChimSledges worked his magic19:12
sledgesChimChim: Jolla19:12
Sidden-iCe: the rom exists, but not yet released to the public19:12
ShadowJKThough there seems to be lots of apps available on my firefoxos phone, they all more or less fall into the "trivial toys" category19:12
M4rtinKjorbas: and if you count all the failed attempts on HTML/js only OS, such as webOS, Metro, etc.19:12
Nichopen-iCe: Well, and also you can also download the sdk to use it in the pc (I think you can find it at
ChimChimsledges I am confused19:13
jorbasI admit, I've had a go at HTML5 development and it seemed a bit immature.19:13
M4rtinKjorbas: and regarding Tizen, they (Samsung & Intel) dumped most of the MeeGo stuff long ago anyway19:13
M4rtinKjorbas: and the project seems to be extraordinarily chaotic, un-transparent and overly dominated by on-sided decisions by Samsung19:14
M4rtinKjorbas: also for HTML5, you would basically have to rewrite all libraries your application might need to Javascript19:15
jorbasOf course19:15
M4rtinKjorbas: with native development you can, sou know, just compile them & use them, at native speed19:15
jorbasI've never worked with Qt, just GTK. I'm assuming native Qt apps on Sailfish are C++?19:16
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Siddejorbas: c++ and/or qml19:17
joonahoi_you can use c++, python and soon ruby with qt19:17
M4rtinKjorbas: not really a trivial matter for stuff like zxing, image magic, PIL, offline routing daemons, 2D/3D engines, numpy, matplotlib, etc.19:17
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M4rtinKyeah, I'm using Python for example :)19:18
jorbasFantastic, Python is my thing.19:18
M4rtinKworks very well with PyOtherSide19:18
Siddeqml(js) workes much better than i expected. Many applications can be written without a line of c++19:19
jorbasIs Python3 available for Sailfish, or is it 2.7?19:19
M4rtinKbut PyOtherSide (Qt5 bindings) are built against Python 3 only19:19
thpjorbas: python 2 is available in the repos, but pyotherside works with python 319:19
thpjorbas: what M4rtinK said :)19:20
M4rtinKand both Python 3 & PyOtherSide are in default repos19:20
M4rtinKand you can submit Python apps to the main store19:20
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M4rtinKoh, I though it is already possible after the FOSDEM update :)19:21
jorbasAlright, you may have swung me for my next phone to be running Sailfish OS.19:21
thpbtw, you can get slightly newer python3 + pyotherside builds from - pyotherside in the official repos has a small bug at the moment, should be fixed with the next release19:21
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NichopeI guess that during this week we'll have a lot of new "faces" (nicknames) here. And that means that all the sailors at MWC are doing really well :) I wonder which of them will become usual members (I mean, the ones that you get familiar with seeing) :P19:23
jorbasHaving never developed for mobile before, do I need a device in order to develop?19:23
thpjorbas: you can start out with the SDK and the emulator19:23
jorbasOh there's an emulator? Is that included in the SDK?19:24
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thpobviously it can't do things like multi-touch, sensors, calls, etc..19:24
thpbut for basic app testing and playing around with the ui toolkit, it's fine19:24
M4rtinKthp: oh, so exceptions in callback don't vanish anymore, nice! :)19:25
jorbasIs there somewhere I can see what apps are available for Sailfish at the moment?19:25
thpM4rtinK: yeah, that too ;)19:26
SfietKonstantinjorbas: what kind of apps do you want ;)19:26
SfietKonstantinit's a pity that there is no web frontend for Jolla app store19:26
M4rtinKthp: yeah, it was getting kinda annoying sometimes - I wonder how many failing callback I actually have at the moment :D19:26
jorbasJust to browse I guess, see what's available and if there's anything I think I would like to take on.19:27
thpM4rtinK: hehe ;)19:27
M4rtinKSfietKonstantin: can be voted here:
jorbasThe Jolla phone is the only Sailfish OS device right now, yes?19:27
SfietKonstantinjorbas: yes19:27
thpjorbas: a random collection of open source third party apps is here:
SfietKonstantinjorbas: you can do whatever you want, honestly19:28
SfietKonstantinthere is so much to do on the (native) app side19:28
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jorbasFor how long is the Jolla phone expected to be the only device? Is Jolla releasing a newer model anytime soon?19:29
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jorbasAlright I guess that's sort of under wraps and not something you'd announce on IRC19:30
Sfiet_Konstantinjorbas: I expect something like one device per year19:31
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Nichopejorbas: In fact, there are big chances that most if not all of your question will be answered this week in MWC :)19:34
Nichopeat least, according to what I've read19:35
walokragalaxy s5 with sailfishos would be nic19:35
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Morpog_PCthat butt ugly device?19:37
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ChimChimI agree, s5 looks horrible19:37
walokrayeah, i hate the design also, but the specs looks nice19:38
walokraor it's wrong to say design as there's none with s519:38
EztranS5 is S4 + specs + couple of 'borrowed' ideas. Jolla weren't kidding about stagnation.19:38
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flotronS5/s4/s3 call me crazy but i see the same thing. Just like iphones, nothing new19:39
phdeswerMakes me think of
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flotronwow, thats why i see19:40
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jorbasWhat is it with trying to cram the biggest screen on you can onto a phone? Anything 5+ just seems absurd. It's a phone, not a tablet.19:45
avivbyoI agree wutg flotron19:46
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Streatheri think the S5 looks sort of like someone took a S2 and used free transform in photoshop to make it bigger19:47
flotronphotoshop? maybe microsoft paint :)19:48
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jorbasOkay, with regards to Python development on Sailfish, how does packaging the app work?19:55
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M4rtinKjorbas: no idea about the SDK20:00
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M4rtinKjorbas: but you can for example make a tarball & spec file and upload that to Mer OBS20:01
M4rtinKjorbas: and OBS will make a package from it (and a repository)20:02
avivbyoWhat is OBS?20:02
M4rtinKjorbas: then you can take the package and upload it to a store, to the jolla store once supported, or to openrepos20:03
jorbasAm I limited to using libraries that are in the repos? When developing on Linux, I use pip, how will it know what libraries I've used and to package them along with it?20:04
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M4rtinKavivbyo: Open Build System & this instance is being used for Mer & Sailfish stuff:
M4rtinKjorbas: as long as you bundle everything needed, it should be fine20:05
jorbasPackaging Python programs is usually something I don't do, it's such a headache.20:05
M4rtinKjorbas: pure-Python modules should be particularly easy, just make sure they are in Python path20:06
M4rtinKjorbas: well, that was just example of my workflow (well, it is a bit more crazier actually) :)20:06
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M4rtinKjorbas: I'm sure thp is working on easy Sailfish SDK integration for Python apps :)20:07
jorbasSo you work outside of the SDK right now?20:07
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jorbasAnd just package the RPM via OBS then stick it on your device to test it?20:08
M4rtinKjorbas: pretty much yes20:09
thpjorbas: during development, you can just run it on the device, no need to package it as RPM20:09
M4rtinKjorbas: but for normal development I don't bother with packaging20:09
M4rtinKjorbas: you can just rsync it to the device and run it with qmlscene20:09
M4rtinKjorbas: or even edit the source itself on the device20:10
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jorbasVia SSH?20:10
M4rtinKjorbas: in this case, device means also the Sailfish OS emulator20:10
M4rtinKjorbas: yep20:10
M4rtinKit is super quick BTW, as you don't need to compile anything and PyOtherSide starts almost at once20:12
jorbasQuick quesion about the emulator, how do I go back to the "home" screen?20:12
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Holly18 Here some videos. I hope you like them!
M4rtinKjorbas: swipe from side20:12
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M4rtinKjorbas: or close the app by swiping from the top20:12
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jorbasI think I just put the device to sleep, how do I wake it up?20:13
avivbyoDouble tap i think20:14
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jorbasDidn't work, but I figured it out20:14
jorbasOr ACPI shutdown, in the menu20:15
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flotronwifi working on s3
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jorbasPyOtherSide not on PyPi :(20:31
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Dev-auxGuggugg :)20:32
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Dev-auxI like these these tasty chips called Sailfisho's20:35
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kimmolidoes anyone know uinput with sailfish (or with maliit)21:34
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kimmoli(sent my complete question to mailinglist... if anyone could help... desperate...)21:44
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jjs999jjshey sailor21:48
jjs999jjsgood luck man21:48
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sailor1234thank you21:50
sailor1234hi everyone21:50
sailor1234I'm newbie with that staff... what are the commands?21:51
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sailor1234hello guys21:56
sailor1234are you a jolla user?21:57
flotronwant to be :)21:57
sailor1234how this irc staff works?21:58
sailor1234i just now to text21:58
tsukimorihow to use irc?21:59
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tsukimoriwell you type text and hit enter and then other people can see it21:59
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flotronis a chatroom, did you ever enter to a chatroom?21:59
sailor1234that i know21:59
stephg_j_sailor1234: think of it as a chat room21:59
sailor1234bit the commands21:59
tsukimoriwhich ones?21:59
sailor1234for seeing information22:00
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tsukimoriwhat information?22:00
flotrondid you search in google? there is a lot of info of it :)22:00
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sailor1234like from where the user comes to call someone here,22:00
sailor1234type for directly change nodes... etc22:01
sailor1234how to bring someone into this roo22:01
tsukimoridepends on the client22:01
tsukimoriI guess you use the irc for sailfish client?22:01
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tsukimoriif you need help with that #communi is the best place to get that22:02
sailor1234someone said to me that im from italy because he saw something22:02
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sailor1234at jolla?22:02
joonahoi_sailor1234: you are, can be seen from your hostmask22:03
joonahoi_23:54 -!- sailor1234 ( joins #sailfishos22:03 ou ....22:03
joonahoi_or well, at least you are AT italy22:03
sailor1234what can i type for that?22:03
joonahoi_ /whois username22:03
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Judy22 You can find funny videos here.
sailor1234no way22:04
sailor1234ok thanks22:04
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sailor1234but this client don't have the same commands22:05
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sailor1234it doesn't bring anything for /whois ...22:05
joonahoicheck your status window22:06
tsukimoritry a long press in the nick list22:06
* stephg_j_ ponders22:06
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sailor1234tsukimori: it comes ban, kick, op, query and voice22:08
sailor1234ok, i'll search for more details22:09
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tsukimorithen either the server window or it may just not be supported yet22:10
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sailor1234how are you?22:12
cidyvery fine22:12
sailor1234cidy: f22:12
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cidyi got how it works22:15
sailor1234hell yeah22:15
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AL13Nquite the interesting article on btrfs:
AL13Ni wonder if balancing on µSD would get a big performance drop22:56
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stephg_j_AL13N: I know (online) the author of that piece22:59
virtualdsay hi to him (virtually)23:00
stephg_j_by uSD you mean the internal... ?23:00
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23LAAASGDor form factor?23:23
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PLSGIMMEZIPis anyone even here? :O23:41
tsukimori299 nicks23:42
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PLSGIMMEZIPso whats this chat room even about23:49
tsukimorijust what it says in the topic23:53
vesurivsgimme gimme gimme23:55

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