Wednesday, 2014-02-26

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oreozablehow can i become an early adopter?01:23
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Lara18 Here some videos. I hope you like them!
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Maria25 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like!
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MFaro-TusinoHello :-)04:06
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Carmen23 Here some videos. I hope you like them!
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Armadillogood morning07:15
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albertoabruzzoHi dudes07:33
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katy28 You can find funny videos here.
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fluxI think I'll just add an /ignore for that :/08:06
Accecan you make an ignore based on message content?08:07
Acceoh, any regexp, nice08:07
fluxyes, irssi has /ignore -pattern08:07
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sleinzelAre the Nexus 4 Images already available for download? If not, when do you plan on releasing them?08:08
fluxactually maybe I should just modify my notify-about-first-url-after-join-script to drop it silently..08:09
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Juubai'd just ban that IP08:21
Juubadifferent "user" from that same IP08:21
Juubaor diff "nick"08:21
stephgsleinzel, not yet08:22
Juubacheck /last
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sleinzelstephg: Thanks.08:26
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kenguhere are the stats of that url (note the -)08:26
stephgsleinzel, they'll release it when it's ready (I guess) but the work is coming along:
sleinzelstephg: Thanks. Is there a public repo to contribute?08:28
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stephgdon't know exactly where all the work is going on, but if there is it'll be on github08:28
stephgyou need to ask sledges (who doesn't appear to be here yet)08:29
sleinzelOkay. Thank you.08:29
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fluxhmm, I suppose jolla won't be seeing bluez5 for a while..09:45
fluxjuuba, sadly the spammer seems to originate from multipe IPs. though, as the set of such IPs seems to have been quite small, perhaps it would be a good start at least.09:46
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ChimChimMorning lads, any news?09:50
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Naomi30 Here some videos. I hope you like them!
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lbtflux: do you have statd on the spammer; maybe start reporing them in #freenode ?10:47
* lbt afk for a bit10:48
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fluxlbt, I probably have less hard info than others, as I have joins/parts/quit ignored.. (so no ips)11:04
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stemidwhere do I setup an exchange account? in accounts I can only see email, which is imap/pop11:07
inffy_you need to download the exchange support from the store11:08
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Geniackhello, i just read about sailfishos, i wonder if it runs on the "HTC Magic" ?11:08
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stemidI just got the jolla phone with 1.0.0 os and it doesn't seem to work with 3G11:16
stemidsays connection failed everytime I try11:16
stemidbut I'm on wifi now and will try to update11:17
stephg_stemid, you'll find everything a lot better if you let it upgrade to the latest11:21
stemidit's searching11:21
stephg_1.0.0.12 to to
stemidoic, thanks11:22
stephg_stemid, also the APN settings may not have been detected correctly11:22
stephg_which operator and country?11:22
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stemidTelia Sweden11:22
stephg_let it do the updates first though11:22
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stemidI had to connect through internet sharing from my iphone to get online because I'm at work and we use 802.1X certificates11:23
stemidfor wifi11:23
stephg_going to be a slow download then :)11:23
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Geniackanyone? is there a list of supported devices?11:32
ottuloofficially, there are none supported yet afaik11:33
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ottulocommunity ports exist for some, but not sure how well those are available11:34
tbrit has been shown on a Nexus4 and some other phones. that's a different thing than 'supported' though11:34
janiottulo: except the official hardware ofcourse ;)11:34
tbrAlso the N911:34
tbrif you want a perfectly working  Sailfish, buy a Jolla.11:34
ottulojani: I was referring to android devices :P11:34
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lainwir3dHi guys11:34
tbrthe official hardware technically is also an android device11:35
lainwir3dJust discovered QtFeedback is not allowed in harbour11:35
lainwir3dany way around it ?11:35
tbrlainwir3d: ship with the binary?11:35
lainwir3dcan't manage to build qtfeedback from github11:35
lainwir3dthe build keeps failing11:36
tbrwell take the binary from the phone11:36
tbrslap that into your package, and make sure your software uses _that_ and not the system one11:36
lainwir3dhmmm ok.11:36
chriadamyou could use the low level linux events to trigger the vibration.  see eg
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lainwir3dWhat about qml import statement ?11:37
chriadamdunno if that's allowed in harbour either, tbh11:37
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lainwir3dI suppose I have to fix "import QtFeedback" or I'm gonna get rejected by the rpm validator11:37
lainwir3dchriadam: might try that, but it's a shame if I have to resort to that :-(11:38
chriadamyeah.  we'll get around to pushing for QtFeedback inclusion as a supported (but Add-On level) module in Qt for the 5.4 timeframe, I think.11:39
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lainwir3dDo you think I could get it accepted if I include it in the binary ? And manage to change the import name11:40
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Caroline22 Here some videos. I hope you like them!
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stemidmy jolla searched for updates for a long time then it said "updated" but it's on should I reboot?12:32
Juubai'm tempted to say: DO IT!12:33
stemidno wait, tried again and it found an update12:33
Juubai kind of remember something like that as well12:33
Juubajust did a reset for my Jolla12:33
stemidI really like this phone so far12:33
Juubai didn't get the GPS to work with  Android applications... is it supported?12:34
Juuba(google maps)12:34
Juubahmm, wonder why it didn't work for me12:35
sledgesstrange it didn't look for GPS signal for you12:35
Juubait looks for signal, (FB client) but the googlemaps app didn't work12:35
Juubanow I dont' have the Phone with me, it's under maintenance :S12:35
Juuba(sim cad disconnection problem)12:35
sledgessadly there's not much support for google maps from jolla.. but that's understandable12:35
Juubajust a lot better maps, googlemaps than HERE12:36
sledgesim driving aroudn avoiding traffic with gmaps on jolla, no probs (missing compass though, but map always pointing north improves personal geo-caching :D)12:36
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Juubawhat/how do you install google play store?12:37
Juubathe same old guide or is there an updated ?12:37
sledgesfrom some tutorial in early days12:37
sledgesvery old :)12:38
sledgesnever touched since12:38
Juubaguess it's the same then12:38
sledgesdid your gmaps update?12:38
sledgesi think mine did12:38
Juubafairly recend (few weeks) install from play store12:38
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sledgesok, i better won't update then :))12:38
Juubathis one?
sledgesi will try on another phone instead12:39
sledgesyes that12:39
sledgesare you around on this channel?12:39
Juubayes from now on... =)12:40
sledgesi'll tell you if the latest updated work sometime #soon12:40
Juubafinally got the energy to configure irssi to connect here12:40
stephg_my gmaps updates fine12:40
JuubaHUUUGE effort.12:40
Juubadunno what the issue is.. Gotta check it again when (if) i get my phone back from the repair shop12:41
sledgesthanks stephg_12:41
sledgesJuuba: which repair shop ooi? :)12:41
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Juubathe Finnish.. optima something12:42
sledgesdo they offer jolla warranty/maintenance?12:43
Juubawarranty repair yes12:43
sledgesnice :)12:43
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stemidis sailfish os debian based?12:45
stemidI had an n900 back when it was out and I remember it having repos like debian12:45
stemidbut rpm is lsb so it works fine in debian.12:46
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lainwir3dI can't manage to include QtFeedback in my binary13:09
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Armadillois there a Sailfish way to show a popup to display errors for example?13:11
juke_the OS shows some stuff in a toast, i dont know how its done13:12
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Armadilloyou mean those popups which are used for WLAN status changes for example?13:14
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ArmadilloI already thought about them, but can't find an example anywhere, maybe I'll search in theqml files of the system apps later13:18
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stemidbah! until the exchange app supports all exchange policies it's worthless =/13:32
stemidback to iphone13:32
Andy80why after I connect to my Jolla using the USB cable, I setup the network-USB, I connect with SSH to it... after login I cannot type anything else in the shell?13:32
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VDVsxstemid, "all", find me a phone that does that, will buy it from you for a good amount of money :P13:48
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m4g0gdoes somebody use firefox browser?13:49
radiofreem4g0g: the android version?13:51
m4g0gradiofree: no. Desktop13:51
radiofreeerm yes I use it, but not sure what that has to do with sailfish13:51
m4g0gI don't understand why firefox doesn't show all images from or harbour.jolla.com13:52
m4g0gopera shows all fine13:52
radiofreebut then again, maybe i'm not seeing all the images and i just don't know it...13:53
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m4g0gradiofree: I see rectangle with FO O4, for example in the left side of string The Other Half13:54
stephg_encoding probably13:54
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Nicd-hmm. I have a password field in a Column, and a combobox after that13:56
Nicd-when I select the password field, the keyboard covers the combobox and I can't scroll to it13:57
Nicd-instead I have to find an empty space to click to dismiss the keyboard or swipe it down13:57
radiofreem4g0g: it would appear they are using
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m4g0gwhat I see13:58
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radiofreeyes you don't appear to have that font13:59
radiofreeor at least firefox doesn't think you have13:59
radiofreenot sure why opera works then13:59
radiofreem4g0g: maybe download ?13:59
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radiofreethe android logo, heart etc... all appear to be symbols from that font14:00
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stemidVDVsx: well enough for me to use my work account, that's all I need to switch phones.14:03
stemidbut the second try it looked like it worked14:03
stemidthe account was added but it's not syncing mail14:03
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VDVsxstemid, did it pass the provisioning check ? or you disabled that ?14:07
stemidI'll see14:07
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Nicd-so, how can I fix the keyboard overlapping elements on my page? or rather enable scrolling the view while the keyboard is open14:10
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stemidVDVsx: do you know where to disable provisioning? my language in swedish doesn't say anything I can interpret as provisioning.14:20
stemidbut I tried disabling something called "establishing"14:20
VDVsxstemid, inside account settings last option14:21
stemidyes that's the one14:21
VDVsxstemid, but you should recreate the account without touching that, if is not satisfied you will see an error14:21
stemidok good because now in the inbox I see no errors14:21
stemidsince the account is created14:21
VDVsxstemid, then some servers allow devices to connect when that is disable, other don't14:22
stemidI'm guessing ours won't14:22
VDVsxJolla one supports few provisioning settings atm14:22
VDVsxstemid, device can be also whitelisted by IMEI or model, in case you are friend of the IT guys :D14:23
stemidgood tip14:23
stemidbut those stockholmers hate us in malmö14:24
stemidit will never happen14:24
VDVsxstemid, but try this: delete the account, create it normally, if you see a error, do it again this time disabling that option during account creation14:24
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VDVsxstemid, if the error is about lock code, you need to set one before creating the account14:25
stemidyes I set one14:25
stemidI have set a lock code14:25
stemidooh it works!14:25
stemidawesome, now I can trash this iphone14:25
VDVsxcool, probably it does not accept no-provisionable devices14:26
merlin1991stemid: I wouldn't go as far, the update interval isn#t really working ...14:26
stemidI deleted the account, re-created it and immediately disabled provisioning.14:26
VDVsxbetter error reporting is coming, those take always lots of time, due to translations14:27
stemidit's ok for an os that doesn't even accept bug reporting yet14:27
stemidactually it's great14:27
stemidI can only assume it will get better14:27
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VDVsxmerlin1991, yes, that's due to suspend, will be fixed in update414:28
VDVsxnot EAS or email fault14:28
avivbyoThe android phones at MWC running Update 4?14:28
merlin1991yeah wakelocks ...14:28
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VDVsxavivbyo, dunno, the Jolla ones are running something close to that14:29
merlin1991VDVsx: are there some docs somewhere how to prevent / work around the suspend problems when writing my own daemon?14:30
VDVsxstemid, about bug reports, you can use https://together.jolla.com14:30
VDVsxmerlin1991, API for that is coming, but needs a bit more time to mature:
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VDVsxnot sure about store acceptance and that stuff14:31
merlin1991is there something coming like QSystemalignedTimer or how it was called on harmattan?14:32
VDVsxmerlin1991, no, this is new, but uses also IPHearbeat14:32
VDVsxso timers will be aligned globally when you set a frequency14:33
Armadilloany news what the end of the beta will change for developers? Sailfish settings integration or something like that?14:33
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fluxfor-pay-apps to store?-)15:03
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roboroI'm trying to get pyotherside working on my jolla... according to thp's site its meant to be in the device repositories since
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roboroI couldn't install it without adding the repo on mer obs15:14
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edipsAnybody tryed PyOtherSide on Android?15:47
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roborommm I'll just be happy if I can get pyotherside working properly on sailfish :D15:49
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edipsI never tryed pyotherside on sailfish. I wonder when pyotherside app installed on sailfish, user has to be install python 3.3 and QT5?15:50
edipson device15:50
edipsM4rtinK has modrana app for sailfish which built with pyotherside but it was just 1-2MB15:51
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Renee18 Here some videos. I hope you like them!
kuroschthanks buddy16:04
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kuroschhey I am using a ListModel to which I append content to, but the ListView is not getting updated. can someone please help?16:08
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jpnurmikurosch: showing some code might help to get help16:17
Shin_NeMeSiSkurosch: you have the listview datasource defined?16:18
kuroschjpnurmi: check SourcesModel and MainPage16:19
kuroschShin_NeMeSiS: what do you mean an extra internal variable? here is what I have..16:20
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jpnurmikurosch: where's the model instance? you have commented it out?16:23
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kuroschjpnurmi: ohh sorry its in the main starter qml file -> ../MensaBerlin.qml16:23
jpnurmikurosch: and which call to add items doesn't work?16:24
kuroschjpnurmi: well Items are added but the SilicaListView is not updated as far as I understand or I am stupid..16:25
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kuroschjpnurmi: well the database is filled with items, but the Items are not displayed in the silicalistview even at startup.16:29
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jpnurmikurosch: why Flickable + PageHeader + Column + SectionHeader + ListView?16:32
jpnurmikurosch: ListView is a Flickable, so you could start with getting rid of that extra layer16:33
kuroschok sure will do16:33
jpnurmikurosch: furthermore, the column (parent of listview) looks suspicious as it doesn't have width specified but the listview child does "width: parent.width"16:35
jpnurmiand the listview doesn't have height specified16:35
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kuroschare those all always needed or optional?16:36
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jpnurmisome items, such as positioners (Row, Column, Grid, ...) would calculate an implicit size out of the box16:40
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jpnurmibut if you think about such item as ListView, it really needs to know a height to provide flicking16:41
jpnurmiit calculates the total content height, but it needs to know how much space the container itself has space available16:42
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kuroschjpnurmi thank you sooo much adding height and width fixed it...16:48
jpnurmigreat, np :)16:49
ln-is it normal that downloads and likes statistics do not update to harbour? both zero. the store on the phone shows much more.16:51
tbrI think someone said that this is b0rken16:55
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Turskiideas why qmlscene is sometimes not terminated when application is closed?17:12
Turskiseems to be totally random17:16
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Cindy23 You can find funny videos here.
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VarmongerWhen will v1.0 be out?18:06
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mikmanext month18:07
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coderusTurski: i remember it can be caused by wrong cover component18:40
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Shin_NeMeSiSHi !!18:41
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Turskicoderus: i haven't specified any cover yet, maybe that's why then?18:49
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Turskiit's quite annoying since i'm using a script that rsyncs and re-executes the app everytime it has exited with code 018:50
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Turski=> i edit my program in vim, save it and close app in the device and it is then rsynced and started again, pretty handy i say18:51
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jorbasSomewhat related, does anyone know any good references/learning materials for QML?18:53
jorbasNevermind, there's a #qt-quick channel.18:54
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stemidhow am I supposed to format the SD card on the jolla with sailfishos at first it was vfat, could not detect it, then I tried exfat, still can't see it in the phone.19:11
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satmdiirc I have a single partition on it, formatted as ext419:14
mikmahow about if you completely blank the card and then insert it19:15
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ChimChimhi :)19:16
stephg_stemid, vfat should work19:16
stephg_exfat won't I don't think19:16
stephg_there was only 1 partition yeah?19:16
stemidI'll try to blank it19:17
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stemiddd it with zeroes19:17
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stephg_stemid, also seeing files is kinda difficult unless you install Cargo Dock, or the file manager or developer mode19:17
stephg_it doesn't (yet) appear via MTP if you plug it into a computer19:18
stemidI put music files on it and installed the media player19:18
stephg_right well media player should find them19:18
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stephg_I'd just plug it into a PC and unless you have huge objections to vfat, format it as that there19:18
Shin_NeMeSiSchimchim: Hi!19:18
stemidwell it was vfat but I'll blank it and try again19:18
stephg_no need to do a full zeroing19:19
stephg_just reformat19:19
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ChimChimany news?:D19:23
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Shin_NeMeSiSnothing :)19:29
sledgeshave you given me your emails and stopped spamming the channel? ;D19:30
ChimChimYou´ve got mine!19:30
sledgesChimChim has ;)19:30
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sledgesyes, checked my records ;P19:31
sledgesShin_NeMeSiS hasn't :))19:31
ChimChimahaha awesome :D19:31
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stemidnow it works with vfat19:32
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ChimChimsledges, was that a hint at a email inc? ;)19:33
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sledges:D you're unbelievable and over excited, so are we!19:34
sledgesbut good things come for those who wait;)19:34
ChimChimHaha, damn. Got a LAN coming up this weekend, so hopefully you guys don drop it then!19:35
Shin_NeMeSiSwell... tomorrow i'll get castlevania LOS2 so the wait will be more fun :D19:35
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ChimChimSo sneaky sledgse19:36
sledgesoooh this castlevania :))19:36
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Shin_NeMeSiSthat castlevania was really fun xD19:37
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stemidChimChim: what are you waiting for news on?19:42
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nh1402so who here are programmers, I am19:44
Shin_NeMeSiSnexus 4 sailfish os port xD19:44
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AL13Nnh1402: i bet most people here are programmers or hardware tinkerers19:45
nh1402good point19:46
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nh1402I've always wanted to get into kernel development, but haven't got a clue how to start, thought I could start by getting Sailfish to boot on Nexus 519:48
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Maria25 Here some videos. I hope you like them!
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NindroidXWell, that teaches me not to click links from people on the interwebs..20:15
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stemidwhat do you guys know about headsets to control the media player on the jolla?20:41
stemidall I know is that my current jays headset will not.20:41
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Juubai dont think the feature is in yet20:48
Juubaat least none of my headsets do anything either20:48
AileIs Tasker broken on Sailfish?20:48
stemidfound this
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stemidbut yes it seems that wired buttons are not implemented yet Juuba20:51
Juubathat's what i meant20:51
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goroboroanyone know how I can display an svg in qml?21:13
goroboroapparently in qt4.8 you could just use an image element... but in qt5 that doesn't seem to be the case at all21:14
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Mandy24 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like!
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ChimChimDamn, I sure love me some Mandy24!22:10
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flotronthere should be an autokick for nicks that ends with 2 numbers22:13
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Acceignore with pattern seems to work well22:18
Accebetter than banning, since then it won't know no-one sees it22:18
Acceand won't change pattern / ip whatever22:18
Acceand there was someone real who had 2 numbers in the end of the nick, so it wouldn't be nice to force them to change it22:19
Shin_NeMeSiSHi !!22:19
Shin_NeMeSiSsomething new? :)22:20
ChimChimNothing yet ;)22:22
Accenew from mwc?22:22
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stemidI wonder if others have noticed that the screen sometimes won't come on the jolla when woken up. the backlight comes on, and goes off after a timeout but no picture. it's very random.22:32
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stemid4th attempt worked22:32
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Turskistemid: never seen that22:34
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stemidit's happened a few times now, at first I rebooted but now it seems I can just keep trying and it'll start working eventually.22:35
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tanghus_stemid: I've experienced it a couple of times, but afairc I could simply swipe to home screen and it turned on.22:45
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stemidI have pin lock, gestures work but only to turn the backlight off and on again.22:46
stemiduntil finally the screen comes on22:46
tanghus_ah OK, yeah then it won't work...22:46
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