Monday, 2014-03-03

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JumblemuddleHow soon will I be able to install sailfish on my galaxyS4? I hear that it will eventually be able to be run on non jolla phones. I'm curious how long this will take.06:40
Stskeepswe'll first start out with porters and early adoptors, then in end of this half of year to users directly06:41
JumblemuddleStskeeps: Ok, cool. I'm super excited! :D06:42
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suywalokra: I think is safe to assume that import QtQuick 2.1, because that's Qt 5.1. If you don't need any features of 5.1, importing Qt Quick 2.0 should be fine.11:14
suy Is not only about the features anyway. AFAIK, the imports also allow to introduce behaviour changes without breaking previous code.11:14
suyBut I don't know if they've introduced any behaviour change; I doubt it.11:14
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avivbyoCan i somehow use a webcam as camera with the SDK? (Want to test Fishagram filter ability to capture.)11:40
Stskeepsavivbyo: see what happens if you wire it up with the usb in emulator maybe11:41
avivbyoI plugged it , although seems like the emulator don't have any camera app or libs or anything related (My app just quit back home)11:42
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ed-beohi, would this be a good place to ask about the state of supported/semi-supported android devices for sailfish OS12:10
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pp_Jolla is fully supported! :-)12:15
Armadilloed-beo currently there's no official support for any devices12:15
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Juubaexcept Jollamobile12:16
ed-beoheh, granted that jolla is12:16
Stskeepsed-beo: in practice people sign up to be early adaptors atm, we focus on nexus 4 and galaxy s iii lte at first12:17
ed-beobut i've seen that some work is being done on  nexus 4 ? i understand it's nothing official but some progress12:17
ed-beoStskeeps, right that's what I was looking for12:17
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ed-beoStskeeps, might there be any future for the Note series?12:18
Stskeepsed-beo: does cyanogenmod 10.1 run on it?12:18
ed-beoon a note 2 it runs12:19
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ed-beodo not know about the Note3 though12:19
Stskeepsnote 2 is a exynos?12:19
ed-beoStskeeps, Exynos 4412 Quad 1.6Ghz Cortex-A912:20
Stskeepsso comparable to sgs iii12:21
Armadillothey have the same I think12:22
ed-beoonly it has 2gb of ram and Mali-400mp not mali-400 and the s-pen12:22
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ed-beomy bad, i looked at the sgs III mini specs12:23
Armadilloon some sites the S3 also has the MP one12:23
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ed-beoyeah, their the same, sgs III just has a lower cpu clock12:25
ed-beoand a GB less ram12:25
Armadillothis should not be a problem iI hope :)12:26
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ArmadilloStskeeps is the idea to support as many devices as possible or will there be a concentration on the "mainstream" chipsets?12:29
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StskeepsArmadillo: we'll be doing two things: how to do the porting and then two initial official adaptations12:31
ed-beoStskeeps, is there an estimated date for the offical adaptions?12:32
Stskeepsi think we'd like to base on next update at least12:32
Stskeepsso first after that12:32
Stskeepsthe videos can be seen from MWC though12:32
Armadillostill hoping I can get Sailfish running on my Motorola Photon Q slider12:33
Stskeepsdoes it run cyanogenmod 10.112:33
tbrwhich SoC is that?12:34
Armadillobut it's a qualcom chipset12:34
tbrif it's not ancient, good chances12:34
ed-beothanks, I'm going to get my jolla from helsinki next weekend, but a note 2 would be perfect hardware for me12:34
YanielStskeeps: can you explain what exactly you are doing a bit? :D You clearly aren't selling phones nor apparently SW.12:34
YanielSo something like RedHat?12:34
StskeepsYaniel: so, i can explain it like i did in MWC12:34
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YanielI wasn't there nor have I had time to go through any videos, please do12:35
Armadilloit's a MSM8960 with the Adreno 225 I think12:35
StskeepsArmadillo: 320 i really hope12:35
StskeepsYaniel: unless you have a shipping product in the hands of consumers, that has passed certification and mobile provider testing / field tests, nobody is going to take your mobile OS seriously12:35
Yanielbut shipping products is afaik not what you want to focus on12:36
Stskeepsthey're a way to get income12:36
Stskeeps - start from "Look at it this way"12:37
StskeepsSailfishOS is a road idea12:37
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Yanielso.. your device can be considered sort of a "reference design"?12:41
Stskeepssort-of, but that'd be unfair to say12:41
Stskeepsa lot of love put into it, too12:41
Stskeepsplatform flagship?12:41
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tbrStskeeps: you had to come up with something vaguely nautic there. wouldn't have been right otherwise. :D12:47
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pp_I hope there are no submarine patents torpedoing the effort!12:49
ArmadilloCPU-Z also reports an Adreno 225 :-/12:50
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StskeepsArmadillo: ok, not end of world12:50
Stskeepslibhybris was developed on 22512:50
ArmadilloSailfish made me an Android noob12:51
Armadilloevery time I use an Android device I'm trying to use gestures...12:51
YanielArmadillo: same with anything that has a touchscreen that goes blank after a period of inactivity12:52
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stephgignore me12:52
ArmadilloYaniel hehe :FD12:52
Armadillostephg done :x12:52
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avivbyoGot a lil' question , Heard that Jolla will release a launcher for android . Some one knows when will it come out?13:40
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Stskeepswhen it's ready13:43
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suy  Some with time and artistic skills, feel free to add a sailfish icon and stuff :)13:57
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m4g0gwhy sailfish browser has so awful work with tabs?14:20
m4g0gthis is not tabs - this is bookmarks because each time openning tab - page reloaded14:21
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m4g0gwhat do you think about new 1.0 version. Does SDK will updated too?14:32
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m4g0ghm..answer about tabs:
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suyMmm, that's strange... firefox on my nexus7 seems to keep in memory several "tabs". Is my workaround for browsing things split in several pages on the bus, since it doesn't have connectivity.14:58
suyBut the tabs seem to reload. So maybe the rendered content is destroyed, but the contents of the page kept and re-parsed and re-rendered.14:58
Yanielthat sounds plausible15:03
Yanielit does not make much sense to keep around framebuffers for each tab especially if you are memory constrained to begin with15:04
Stskeepswe only do one page at a time atm15:04
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Acceas a workaround, save the pages on the internal flash and load them from there? no idea how slow that would be though15:06
Acceand you would need to implement it to the browser, obviously15:07
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suysaving to flash for a browser might do too many writes for a flash, I suppose15:28
suywe should infiltrate a mole in mozilla to convince them to port firefox to qt :-P15:28
juheMam jednu 58.8MB max, z 20 februara (neviem kedy si menil ten session config).15:29
juheoops, wrong window :-O15:29
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jake9xxcoderus: testing the upcoming sw release with latest mitäkuuluu and it seems it does not recognize new messages always. But, you can debug it soon with a real device :)15:40
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ChimChimHi guys :)15:45
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artemmaI am trying to make a library used by a sailfish app (mostly a learning example) and linkers tells RPM build errors:19:56
artemmai486-meego-linux-gnu-ld: //usr/lib/Scrt1.o: relocation R_386_GOTOFF against undefined19:56
artemmacan't understand what it's about :/19:56
artemmaand I have created a sailfish lib for my app in the past..19:57
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artemmacould somebody have a look at ?20:00
artemmait is as simple as I could get it. An app calling a library with a single function. Yet doesn't link20:00
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tanghuswhy does redirect to ?20:21
specialdoesn't here20:22
tanghusThat's very weird20:22
specialwhat IP does resolve to for you?20:22
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specialI get the same IP.20:23
specialwhat browser?20:23
tanghusFF 2720:24
specialalso the same20:24
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specialis it an actual HTTP redirect?20:24
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fk_lxeverything ok with on my side also ;-)20:24
tanghusHmm, dunno.20:25
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specialcurl -D -
tanghusWonder if it's that's messing with me20:26
kimmoliartemma: (after few iterations i got error with hint could point here .. but i'm interested in this example when you get it building :) )20:26
tortoisedocany way to get qml debugging over gdb?20:28
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tortoisedoccrap this impossibility to debug from qtcreator can slow one down alot :/20:29
artemmakimmoli: checking.. yeah, I googled something about proper compiler flags when compiling libraries, can't exactly see how to apply them to Qt project. Thought there should be a simpler way20:30
tanghusweird it works on phone even using same DNS20:31
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tanghusAnd after restarting Firefox all's good. *baffled*20:32
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Stskeepstanghus: good to see good old DR is properly covering us :P20:33
Stskeepstanghus: i spotted immediately at MWC they were danish and switched to danish immediately :P20:33
tanghusStskeeps: yes, I was positively suprised by their coveredge20:33
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tanghusStskeeps: You didn't know him from soeinding on DR?20:34
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tortoisedocWho's DR?20:35
tanghustortoisedoc: Danish broadcasting company20:35
tortoisedocoh :D20:36
artemmaarrgh! i486-meego-linux-gnu-ld: //usr/lib/Scrt1.o: relocation R_386_GOTOFF against undefined symbol `__libc_csu_fini' can not be used when making a shared object20:36
artemmawhen trying to link simplest possible app to my simplest possible library20:36
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Kimmoli_sailing_too simple? ..20:36
artemmawhat the heck is __libc_csu_fini?20:36
Stskeepsartemma: -shared ?20:37
artemma@Stskeeps .so files are generated20:37
artemmayes, shared20:37
artemmaor shall I somewhere in .pro specify explicitly that it is a shared lib?20:38
* artemma doesn't understand how another example of his builds, but this one doesn't..20:38
Stskeepserr.. why does your liblinkingtrial have a main method20:39
artemma@Stskeeps otherwise linker was rejecting it20:39
Stskeepsi need to see that build log20:39
artemmait was looking for the main() somehow20:39
artemmaone moment, Ill clean and rebuild20:39
artemmahmm.. if linker of a lib was looking for main(), then. my library is somehow not fully a library?20:41
artemmayep, removal of main() from library makes linker tell: //usr/lib/Scrt1.o: In function `_start': (.text+0x28): undefined reference to `main'20:43
artemmawho declares it I wonder..20:43
tortoisedocartemma : do you have CONFIG + static in your .pro?20:43
tortoisedocCONFIG += static that is20:43
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artemmatortoisedoc: nope20:43
tortoisedocthat's gonna make it a static lib20:44
tortoisedocif i remember correctly at least heh20:44
artemmaI wanted a dynamic lib actually.. but static one could be good enough20:44
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artemmatortoisedoc: thanks, now lib and app compile. In the static way probably.20:45
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artemmareading docs, there seems to be shared as well. I'll try it20:45
artemmayep, indeed, now it generates static .a20:46
artemmano, config += shared didn't help :) linker is still looking for main()20:47
tortoisedocanyone knows a way to autodeploy debug symbols to the emulator?20:47
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artemmahmm, but then config += static does generate .so and app is linked if library has main() method :/ Interesting. Maybe good enough for me20:48
tortoisedocone sec20:50
tortoisedocTEMPLATE = lib CONFIG += staticlib20:51
tortoisedocthis is what I used the last time20:51
tortoisedocfor a static lib20:51
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artemmatortoisedoc: docs tell static and staticlib are the same. And it works, thanks20:55
artemmaI want to have a dynamic one: CONFIG += shared helps, but for some reason main() method is needed20:55
artemmaI am not 100% sure it works (still fighting with packaging)20:55
tortoisedocartemma how do you debug your apps??20:59
artemmatortoisedoc: I don't :)20:59
artemmalogs + tests20:59
* artemma is a big fan of tdd20:59
artemmaand the current troubles are actually a side exercise on the way for giving log4qt a try21:00
tortoisedocok but tdd for qml?21:00
artemmatortoisedoc: I actually find it way more difficult to use tdd for cpp side in absence of decent mock frameworks :)21:01
artemmacan't find anything working well, advices are very welcome21:01
artemmatortoisedoc: if you want a quickstart in tdd for qml, have a look at
artemmait's a couple of years old, but still almost fully valid21:02
artemmaexcept there are few mouse tricks that are sailfish specific, but you don't want to do too much on UI level anyway21:02
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tortoisedoc40k downloads21:07
tortoisedocwow not bad :D21:07
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artemmatortoisedoc: enjoy :)21:08
artemmathere is one or two variations also with multi-K counts :)21:09
artemmaApparently not many people are much into studying and sharing unit testing and qml21:09
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artemmaarrgh, I can't link again. Should have committed to vcs when had successful linking21:23
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stephgcommit early, commit often!21:27
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artemmaokay, it didn't really work as dynamic lib apparently. It was "working" only because there was a static lib built in the previous iteration in th build dir21:31
artemmaundefined symbol __libc_csu_fini  ..21:31
artemmadamned, I would like to build a shared lib :)21:31
artemmaand I was able to build shared libraries fine in the past, e.g.
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artemmawhy can't I do it with a simple example ?21:33
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