Tuesday, 2014-03-04

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ryukafalzSo IIRC the unified messaging system is based on Telepathy... but are audio calls integrated into that?  So for example if I had a SIP account with telepathy-rakia and I got a call, would the phone ring like it would for a PSTN call?01:52
specialyes, phone calls do go through telepathy01:52
specialthere are a few small pieces probably missing from SIP support, but for the most part it can share the architecture01:52
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ryukafalzAhh, cool. Do you know if that's the case in upstream Nemo as well or if it's a Sailfish-specific thing?01:53
specialnemo as well01:53
ryukafalzThanks for the info01:53
ryukafalzI don't suppose it supports video calls at all right? XD01:53
specialhttps://github.com/nemomobile/voicecall is the mw component handling most of the call/telepathy logic01:53
specialtelepathy itself does, nothing on our end yet01:53
specialthe only proprietary part is voicecall-ui-jolla, which sits under voicecall-manager from that repository01:54
specialthere is a reference UI as well, no idea what state it's in.. I think it's been awhile since anyone cared01:54
ryukafalzI'm guessing the reference UI is being replaced by glacier stuff then?01:55
specialtheoretically, but from what I know the glacier work is a long way from that01:56
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ryukafalzAlso, re: video calling support... one of the kde-telepathy devs is working on porting QtGstreamer to GStreamer 1.001:59
ryukafalzwhich I'd imagine would be necessary for any video calling here02:00
specialnot entirely02:01
specialqtmultimedia uses gstreamer as well, and you can tweak it into whatever you need02:01
specialthe sailfish video player and camera are both using that02:01
ryukafalzoh, huh02:02
ryukafalzit uses gstreamer directly rather than through qtgstreamer?02:02
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* ryukafalz doesn't really know all that much about the qt libraries02:05
specialI think qtgstreamer is a third party set of pretty much 1:1 bindings02:06
specialqtmultimedia is the "official" qt-project solution, higher level API and cross-platform02:06
ryukafalzit looks like qtmultimedia is a much more high-level api02:06
specialon linux gstreamer is the backend02:06
ryukafalzI wonder why ktp used qtgstreamer rather than that02:07
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chriadamqtmultimedia didn't have a maintainer for a long time, which is probably why02:07
specialit also does take some effort to get it working with less standard pipelines02:07
chriadameg, michael goddard was listed as the maintainer for about 18 months after he started working for google ;-)02:07
ryukafalzHmm I really need to learn QML when I have more time02:10
ryukafalzOh, that's another thing... would I be correct in thinking that you'd need to pretty heavily modify the QML for an app when porting from Harmattan -> Nemo/Sailfish or from Sailfish to Nemo?02:11
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chriadamsomewhat heavily.  note that sailfish to nemo (and vice versa) should be much less effort, imo (more shared libraries, eg nemo-qml-plugin-* etc)02:14
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ryukafalzI could see Nemo to Sailfish being pretty easy, but aren't the Sailfish QML components proprietary?02:16
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chriadamryukafalz: oops, sorry for late reply.  yes, but not all of the things being developed went into Sailfish per se.  a lot of things went into nemo imports/plugins, especially a lot of non-ui stuff.04:03
ryukafalzOh cool, gotta love upstream contribution :)04:05
chriadamyep :-)04:06
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situMorpog_PC: The problem I was facing with network connection on Sailfish Emulator was because address resolution was not working. I fixed it by running vboxmanage modifyvm "machine_name" --natdnshostresolver1 on05:55
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Morpog_PCstrange though06:33
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NullbyteHi, I was told I could sign up for the early adopter list if I made a bit of noise on this channel! :P07:34
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Stskeepsnot good enough noise07:34
* Nullbyte jumps up and down waving arms around!!07:35
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NullbyteIs that enough? :D07:36
Stskeepshehe perhaps07:37
Stskeepssend sledges a /msg with your e-mail and what devices you have07:38
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Nicd-Stskeeps: is 278 MB of RAM too little for Sailfish?07:41
NullbyteI sent Sledges a msg :)07:42
Nicd-wondering if I can get any use out of my wife's old Galaxy Gio :P07:42
StskeepsNicd-: perhaps a bit low but hey, let's see..07:42
Nicd-it supposedly does run CM 10.1 and Android 4.2.207:42
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Dev-auxWould be cool if it runs on the Desire Z :)07:49
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Dev-auxIMHO there is the same SoC in Desire S as in Desire Z07:51
Dev-auxthx :)07:53
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walokrahmm, if device can run cm 10.1 could it run sailfishos? like htc sensation?10:10
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Armadillois it possible to remove not used app drafts from the harbour webinterface?11:40
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ArmadilloI have one which has been created because of a browser crash and I haven't used it, because I'm working with the other one which I'm updating every week11:40
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kontioArmadillo: no currently not possible11:57
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Armadillokontio thx12:09
ln-thx is a registered trademark of lucasfilm12:10
Acceare the lawyers already dispatched to Armadillo's location?12:11
Armadillooh no, not again :-/12:12
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* Nicd- plays Deep Note, again12:18
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* Armadillo is bored12:18
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m4g0ghow I can open nonmobile web pasge from sailfishbrowser?13:10
Nicd-what do you mean?13:12
m4g0gI mean how I can see full webpages via sailfishbrowser?13:17
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Nicd-m4g0g: do you mean sites offer you mobile pages?13:19
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coderusjake9xx: what you mean by "not recognize new messages"?15:43
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jake9xxcoderus: nevermind, it was bug elsewhere15:48
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AlittlemurklingAnyone else excited for Sailfish on android devices? :D17:51
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StskeepsAlittlemurkling: less than when i prepared the demo ;)17:52
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AlittlemurklingStskeeps: Nice. What do you have it running on?17:53
Stskeepsso we'll be rolling it out to nexus 4 and sgs iii lte initially, plus guides on how to do the porting; first to early adopters and then to users a longer while after17:53
AlittlemurklingOh, only the lte version of the s3? I was hoping to have it ported to my tmo s3...17:54
AlittlemurklingI'm a programmer though, so I would be happy to do the porting myself.17:55
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AlittlemurklingWhen are the porting guides due to go up? Also where.17:56
Stskeepswhen ready and probably sailfishos.org17:56
StskeepsAlittlemurkling: tmo s3 is still a exynos?17:57
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Stskeepsie a i930017:57
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AlittlemurklingYep. But it doesn't have lte capability.17:58
ryukafalzVery excited :D17:58
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ryukafalzI won't be getting an N4 probably until after may though...17:59
ryukafalzStskeeps: Is there a deadline for early adopter stuff or would I be able to join after it's been rolled out to them? In case it's not out for everyone by then.17:59
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Stskeepshopefully something saner is there by may18:01
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AlittlemurklingStskeeps: Oh wait, only the international version has an exynos. The US versions use a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960.18:01
Stskeepswhat ixxxx is that18:02
AlittlemurklingThey don't use that naming convention. This is a SGH-T999.18:03
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Stskeepslooks like you could probably put it on there18:04
jussiStskeeps: itll go on the i9300 ?18:04
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Stskeepsjussi: i9305 is what we're focusing on atm but i9300 is probably possible with fair ease18:05
AlittlemurklingStskeeps: Yeah, that's usually how I identify the android roms I currently flash on here.18:06
jussiStskeeps: ahh ok, Ive i9300, so might be worth using that. Itlll be down to asking the wife which she prefers to use :D18:06
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AlittlemurklingWill I have to wait until the android device images are released to attempt to port, or is there a way I could start now?18:08
Stskeepsgive us a bit18:09
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AlittlemurklingOkay... Sorry to bother you.18:10
Stskeepsah, you're not bothering :)18:10
Stskeepssend sledges a msg with your e-mail indicating your devices18:11
Stskeepsand that you're technical18:11
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ryukafalzthere's also #nemomobile-porters, though that seems to be mostly porting to N9 and the like18:15
AlittlemurklingI've bothered him before when trying to deciper the nemo mobile porting guide. Thanks18:15
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m4g0ghello developers18:23
m4g0gI want to implement notifications via mlite18:23
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m4g0gcan somebody help me with it? Examples? Experience with this library?18:24
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AL13N_jolladamn mer-tools doesn't have gdisk or parted18:36
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AL13N_jollafdisk, sfdisk, cfdisk ... but not gdisk...18:42
* tbr gives AL13N_jolla a cookie18:43
AL13N_jollawell that just means someone needs to add it18:44
tbrI see parted in mer-tools on obs18:44
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tbrAL13N_jolla: Available   parted-3.0-1.1.1.armv7hl                The GNU disk partition manipulation program18:46
AL13N_jollahmm i did ssu lr and pkcon refresh18:47
* AL13N_jolla goes to debug18:47
tbrI did "pkcon search name parted"18:48
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AL13N_jollapkcon repo-list only shows apps jolla hotfixes18:49
AL13N_jollathat's not good18:50
AL13N_jollatbr: what does yours show?18:50
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kimmoliparted is in mer-tools18:51
AL13N_jollassu lr shows normal, but pkcon repo-list shows only 318:52
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AL13N_jolladevice registration shows not registered,  but that was normal, right?18:54
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AL13N_jollassu er mer-tools fixed all the other repos too18:55
AL13N_jollathanks guys!18:56
kimmoli(i need ssu ur after ssu ar)18:56
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AL13N_jollai had tried ur before18:57
AL13N_jollaanyway, this explains my buildchroot issues18:58
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AL13N_jollagtg, bbiab18:58
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kimmolioo, emacs-nox, the only editor i know how to exit from19:06
tbrI've been using vim for years, mostly because I don't know how to quit. ;)19:07
tbr(Esc :q - yeahyeah, still makes for a good joke)19:07
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AL13Nhmm, i hope this is normal, parted /dev/mmcblk0 print all says that primary and backup is corrupt19:18
StskeepsAL13N: sure it supports GPT?19:18
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AL13Nno, was gonna check19:18
AL13N"Error: Both the primary and backup GPT tables are corrupt." <-- looks like it though19:19
AL13Nanyone else wanna do a "parted /dev/mmcblk0 print" ?19:19
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AL13Ni'm just hoping this is normal somehow, or i've fucked up my mmc19:20
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AL13Nfdisk still says it's a GPT partition table though19:23
kimmolijust poking around... can't get all dependencies for qt5-qtgui-devel ... QT -= gui then i can build my simple QtCreator project in phone (cli app)19:28
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AL13Ni checked manually with hexdump... it looks like the partition header looks good19:34
AL13N28 entries19:34
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AL13Nfirst partition is 1MB19:36
AL13Nname emgdload19:37
AL13Nok, i think parted is wrong19:38
AL13Nthe partition table looks good to me19:38
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AL13Nodd, http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/parted.git;a=summary <-- no commits in mer19:42
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AL13Nmaybe still in the old one, unsynced yet19:43
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antoniolatianoHello to all19:45
antoniolatianodoes anyone know when the beta testing will starts?19:46
tbr of what?19:47
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antoniolatianothe nexus 4 sailfish os beta testing19:48
Stskeepsantoniolatiano: sign up with a message to sledges with your e-mail19:49
tbrtalk to sledges, be prepared to help improving the image, report bugs, fix bugs.19:49
AL13Ntbr: btw: is it Sage that does the git stuff? or was that lbt or thp? arg, i'm bad with names19:50
tbrAL13N: git stuff of what?19:50
AL13Ni can't find the old/new gits19:50
tbrgithub nemo19:50
AL13Ntbr: ah, no, i mean the mer ones19:50
AL13Nor maybe it all goes to nemo19:51
Stskeepsmer-tools is lbt19:51
antoniolatianoi have already talked with sledges, just wondering if anyone know when it starts19:51
antoniolatianoand sorry for my english19:51
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avivbyoanything new?19:51
Stskeepsantoniolatiano: when we're ready to :)19:52
Stskeepsfor now my team has had planning for today, moving from demo mode (mwc) to product mode, so that's where it'll all surround19:52
Stskeepswe need to wait for the latest sailfishos update to come out, at least19:53
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antoniolatianoOK thank you very much19:54
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mikma"to come out" sounds so rainbow friendly20:01
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avivbyoI wonder , can we "tweak" sailfish homescreen somehow? i mean it's opensource so like Android , we might be able to modify the homescreen (launcher) and add features?20:03
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Morpog_PCavivbyo, you can even replace it with your own launcher20:40
avivbyoSo its exactly as i thought. where can if find the launcher source code?20:41
Morpog_PCsailfishOS one doesn't seem to be open sourced20:41
Morpog_PCbut nemomobile one is20:42
avivbyoNemo mobile apps will work on Sailfish?20:44
Morpog_PCwell, with a bit work they should20:44
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avivbyowell i'll give it a shot :D thanks20:45
Morpog_PCIf i remember correctly locusf had lipstick-colorful-home already running on his Jolla device20:45
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Morpog_PCavivbyo, beware, I smell serious bricking danger ;)20:45
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Venemow00t_: ping20:51
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avivbyoMorpog_PC: i only have the SDK so i'll try there :D21:00
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m4g0ghow I should use dialogs?22:23
m4g0gwhen I accept dialog i get:unknown:111 - file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/PageStack.js:111: Error: Cannot navigate so that the resulting page stack has two consecutive entries of the same page instance.22:23
m4g0gbut all work22:23
satmdignore me22:24
Accem4g0g: sounds like you push same page twice in the stack somehow?22:25
m4g0gi know it22:26
Accedo you push a page in onAccepted, perhaps?22:26
Accethe same dialog?22:26
m4g0gonAccept I shouldn't push page from what dialog opened.22:27
m4g0gthx =)22:28
Acceyou're welcome :)22:28
m4g0gI improving foursquare application for sailfish22:28
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Accecool, personally don't use 4square, but those who do will certainly be happy :)22:29
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m4g0gI think so22:31
m4g0gNow we have fbreader and its greate news!22:31
satmdO_O YAY22:31
satmdis the author of fahrplan in here, too?22:31
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satmdI wanted to just say: Danke.22:31
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m4g0gI want to create so many applicaitons for my jolla but when I can find so much time :-(22:32
artemmafbreader? openrepos?22:34
* satmd still waits for a non-html-mail mail reader22:34
satmdhtml-mail mail reader was a big turnoff for me :/22:35
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m4g0gartemma: yes22:44
artemmam4g0g: thx22:44
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artemmaWhat would be the powerful Android device with a smallish screen? 4.0 max, preferably 3.8-3.923:46
* artemma dreams of running sailfish on a phone where he can actually close the app by swiping with a single hand23:46
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