Wednesday, 2014-03-12

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AL13NAcce: Turski: maybe related:
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Juubaanyone working on headphone sets' buttons? is it even something the community can implement?07:03
StskeepsJuuba: wired headphone?07:05
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Stskeepsso long story short it comes down to input devices going to the compositor from what i understood07:06
Stskeepslemme check bugs07:06
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Juubai mean the microphone works and I can listen to music. But the buttons, volume nor the "middle" (to answer the calls or whatnot) do not work.07:12
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Juubafrom  i found a command to "watch -n 0,2 "dmesg | tail -20"07:17
Juubaand when I press the middle button it shows something07:17
Juubavolume buttons did not07:17
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JuubaApple EarPods with Remote and Mic07:19
jonnimost likely current kernel is lacking support for anything else than the dummy onebutton headsets.07:20
AL13Nthough i had figured the volume ones would just do the volume themselves and the button go to the 4th wire07:21
Juubawhen I connect the headphones they are detected07:22
Juubaand I can listen and talk thru the mic just fine07:22
Juubajust the buttons do not work07:22
inffy_there is also the two different "standards" on those07:24
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inffy_AHJ and something else, can't remember07:24
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Juubayeah, but from reading the questions, I believe this "apple" standard is supported07:24
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inffy_i remember reading that from somewhere too07:25
inffy_but i guess it's not fully working then07:25
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JuubaAnswer from Jolla care : " Jolla use type "AHJ" audio jack - commonly used in Apple, Samsung and lately Nokia devices (though some Lumia models may use a different standard). Jolla is not as compatible with type "NHJ" audio jacks. "07:26
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inffy_oh well, i have never got those AHJ standard (or iphone headsets) to work with android, so i guess its not so easy :P07:27
Juubathese "Earpods" just fit me perfectly.. I've tried multiple in-ear plugs, normala plugs etc...07:28
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Juuba+ they've lasted for over 1 year already, other's break in my use under one year07:28
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inffy_i have "bad ears" so those earpods won't fit on my ears, they fall off constantly07:30
inffy_i have the Bluebuds X wireless bt headset now, little expensive but they are good07:31
fluxthere are these elacin-brand custom earplugs, those are excellent though a bit on the expensive side07:31
Juubayeah, it's mostly (somewhat expensive" trial and error07:31
JuubaI dont believe any store allows you to try those on :)07:31
Juubahygiene and what not :D07:31
inffy_overrated :D07:31
Juubaof course custom made mold and plugs would be perfect07:31
Juubabut on the other hand, i would not want perfect fitting, outside noise blocking plugs07:32
Juubadangerous to walk on the streets in finland if you dont hear anything07:32
fluxwhat is wrong with you?-)07:32
fluxjust be observant and move your head!07:32
fluxie. prefer straight movement and when deviating from it, watch where you're going07:33
Juubacyclicst blast by max speed07:33
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mars99Stskeeps, if use camera example of released libhybris to implement camera in android device ,is it difficult?07:33
Juubastill, safer if you hear something outside07:33
Juubaanyways, thats's just me07:34
fluxbut impossible to get good bass without closed plugs?07:34
Juubai'm not that much a hifi-nerd, i get good enough07:34
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Juubajolla != WP807:35
fluxalso with closed plugs you don't need to use so high volumes07:35
AL13N"Apple's non-standard signalling and control method means many designed  for iPhone headsets are incompatible with other devices. In general the  audio out and one button control on such headsets will work, but the  audio-in (microphone) and volume controls will not."07:35
Juubaoh ok07:35
Juubaso the Jolla volume control should work?07:35
Juubaand the buttons to answer and reply?07:36
Juubafunny enoug, the MIC WORKS07:36
m4g0gI want to create C++ library for sailfish but when I try to create rpm package via qtcreator I get error. I am new with rpm. Can you help me?07:36
m4g0gthis is output:07:37
AL13Nplz use a pastebin07:37
m4g0gI use07:38
m4g0gbut my embeded pastebin doesn't work07:38
m4g0gtry one moe07:38
m4g0git's better07:38
m4g0gI am remove all sailfish lines from yaml file and in Files section use only one %{_libdir}/nemo-transferengine/plugins07:39
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inffy_Juuba: i guess that means that the apple headset (earpods) will not work with Jolla, as it is not the AHJ standard07:43
Stskeepsuh, no07:43
Stskeepswe're AHJ standard afaik07:43
inffy_i meant the apple headphones are not full AHJ07:44
inffy_Apple uses a similar connector arrangement, but uses a non-standard microphone and control signalling method.07:44
Juubaokay, so "strictly" AHJ shoudl work? is the volume changing and button-answering implemented currently?07:44
m4g0gany ideas?07:44
JuubaI can listen and talk thru the earpods, middle button sends something to the "log" at least :D07:45
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Juubai'm just wondering, if the support is finalized, if these wont work, I shoud go and buy proper headphones07:45
Juubaor if the implementation is not yet complete, and I should wait07:45
inffy_well i think the middle button sends that "non-standar signal method" so Jolla doesn't understand it07:46
* Stskeeps hits bugzilla07:46
Juubado other types of headphone buttons work ? still no reply on that question :D07:46
inffy_dunno :/07:47
jonniJuuba: currently volume buttons will not work like it has been answered many times in this channel already.07:48
Juubaok, and the "button to answer" ?07:48
JuubaI havent been on channel for long, a week or so only07:49
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jonnianswer button most likely can be captured from /dev/input/event5 but afaik that event doesnt come though qevent yet.07:49
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Juubaok, so none of the "hands-free earphones" work.. ok thanks, so I will hold on with my purchase of new earphones07:50
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Juubavolume setting is not that much of a problem.. would like to be able to pause/play and answer with the middle button, but ... oh well, thanks jonni07:50
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jonniwith bluetooth headset they might work, but I havent checked lately.07:51
jonnibut for wired headset you need to wait and hope for sw update.07:51
inffy_works with my bt-headset07:51
cos-is there any solution for syncing calendar with thunderbird & jolla? i used google calendar on harmattan but afaik it's not supported (yet?)07:52
Nicd-google calendar is supported one way07:52
Juubaone way google calendar works  (google -> phone)07:52
jonnicos-: one way sync works, 2-way sync is coming in some future sw update... :)07:52
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cos-how do i enable the one-way sync? i have a google account set up, but calendar displays only birthdays, personal & facebook07:57
JuubaI think it was automatic07:58
cos-i disabled birthdays earlies but it has been re-enabled for some reason07:58
Nicd-it's automatic if you checked calendar sync when creating the account07:58
Juubai don't think there's "cal sync" option specifically, at least not visible on my..07:59
Juubajust "sync"07:59
inffy_cos-: try to add the account again after removing it07:59
cos-oh, the account wasn't enabled although i just signed in with it..08:00
cos-Juuba: so i have to sync my phonebook to google if i want to get calendar?08:00
Juubaperhaps, dunno, I sync it08:00
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cos-i think that's a quite serious privacy issue08:01
Juubashort Answer: "No."08:04
cos-read it fully08:04
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cos-according to this caldav functionality is coming
cos-i'd be happy to switch to some standard caldav service instead of google for calendar syncing08:05
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Nicd-once CalDAV and CardDAV are ready, I'll set up OwnCloud and ditch Google for good08:05
cos-me too (except i'm lazy and would prefer a ready, hosted service)08:06
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Nicd-cos-: then you can use my service when it's up and running ;)08:09
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m4g0gI don't understand what is MerSDK-SailfishOS-armv7hl and MerSDK-SailfishOS-i486-x8608:09
Nicd-I'm hoping to get some rack space in Finland and set up OwnCloud + email with encrypted storage08:09
Nicd-m4g0g: the other is for ARM and the other is for x8608:09
m4g0gThis is I understand08:09
cos-Nicd-: are you trustable enough that you administrate it well & it runs at least for 10 years?08:09
Nicd-cos-: if I get paid well enough... :D08:10
cos-my hackerspace is also planning to set up an owncloud, that could also work as a good syncing place08:10
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Nicd-but of course if it's implemented properly it shouldn't be hard to take your data elsewhere08:10
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m4g0gmy project should be installed in non usual dir and due to I can't create rpm :-(08:11
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m4g0ghow I can deploy application directly to device09:08
m4g0gI add it via usb network but how I can add it to deploy target in qtcreator?09:09
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thpm4g0g: you can configure the device in qtcreator's preferences, "devices", "add", "mer arm device"09:12
m4g0gI have added jolla in this section09:12
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m4g0gI find all in Kits09:14
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m4g0gHow I can install nemo-transfer-engine to sdk?09:23
thpm4g0g: ssh into it, then "pkcon install nemo-transfer-engine"09:25
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m4g0gjolla update should be this week but when we can create applications using transfer engine and account managment?10:37
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m4g0gthere is no possibility to manage accounts in emulator and as a result there is no possibility to create transfer engine plugin. Doing all on real device is very uncomfortable10:39
tbrdid you post this on TJC yet?10:42
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m4g0ghm. good idea10:43
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m4g0gis it possible to select text in browser?10:59
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s1gk1llhi everyone11:28
s1gk1llgood question m4g0g11:28
s1gk1llI was about to ask the same thing :)11:28
s1gk1lllooking to some api for twitter/facebook file sharing also11:29
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juke__me too11:35
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coderusany way to set android timezone?12:07
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coderusreally? no way? :)13:38
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ppprops file?13:38
pp(just guessing)13:38
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coderusтщ швуфб ыщккн13:54
coderusno idea, sorry13:54
coderusnever owned android before :)13:54
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pp :P13:55
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coderuspp no difference with changing props(14:44
coderusi'm testing with BBM14:44
ppI'm assuming /opt/alien/system/build.prop is the one (or maybe etc/timezone there?)14:46
ppstill just guessing14:47
admiral0is sledges here ?14:48
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sledgesis :)14:57
sledges19:23 <sledges> hello admiral014:57
sledges19:23 -!- admiral0: No such nick/channel14:57
sledgesis what hapened in private ;)14:57
sledgesi received your info fine, thank you admiral014:57
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coderuspp: i found this:
coderusbut setting this prop have no effect for me15:20
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coderusrestarted aliendalvik service15:27
coderusand restarted device15:28
coderusstill same15:28
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coderusah, its autogenerated...15:29
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coderuscant find that buildinfo.sh15:30
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coderusfound /opt/alien/system/script/platform_envsetup.sh15:35
coderusuncommented TZ settings15:35
coderusall working as expected15:36
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admiral0sledges: no, thank you :)16:14
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* tortoisedoc wondering when the 1.0 non beta will be out?19:29
tortoisedoc(yes I know thi is an 3v1l question)19:30
m4g0gos verstion?19:30
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tortoisedocm4g0g : first non - beta?19:31
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m4g0gOn t.j.c was post with this week data: 10 - 1719:31
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mulin0together jolla .com? ;-)19:32
tortoisedocany news about fixed qt debugging?19:32
tortoisedocive been away too long -_-19:32
m4g0gmulin0: yep19:33
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admiral0hello again20:09
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eyomehello admiral020:22
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nimmersattcool quite a big room here :D20:57
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nimmersattanybody hear about the "Fairphone"?20:58
nimmersattI would like to ask if it is possible to install Sailfish onto an android device?20:58
nimmersattis that easy?20:58
nimmersattnot easy? impossible?20:59
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FireFlyI've heard about fairphone, yeah20:59
Nicd-it's possible and will be made as easy as it can20:59
Nicd-will probably be pretty easy for phones where community images are available in the future20:59
nimmersattI mean, actually sailfish, not just looking like it.21:00
Acceis that fairphone as in fair trade? as in the manufacturers workers actually get paid for their work?21:00
FireFlyI think that's in the works21:00
Nicd-nimmersatt: yep21:00
FireFlyAcce: yeah, that's the idea21:00
nimmersattAcce: yes. as much as they can.21:00
Nicd-nimmersatt: installing sailfish on android phones is one of jolla's big plans for it21:00
nimmersattJolla is awesome.21:00
AcceI heard if the phone can run cyanogenmod 10.1 it might be easier to port sailfish21:01
FireFlyMy dad ordered a fairphone roughly around the time I preordered the jolla, so we were both waiting eagerly for our new phones the past autumn :p21:01
nimmersatthaha, cool.21:02
nimmersattsuch hipster family.21:02
nimmersattI have fairphone and my sister is vegan. thats hipster, too.21:02
nimmersattuhm. and how would the port work?21:02
nimmersattI mean, there are not many people having a fairphone.21:03
FireFlyI'm not sure21:03
nimmersattwill they have to port sailfish to certain phones?21:03
Nicd-the community will have to port it most likely21:04
nimmersattso like one version for galaxy nexus, the other version for HTC whatever....21:04
nimmersattor one for all.21:04
nimmersattI guess the first one.21:04
Stskeepssailfishos + a hardware adaptation => something that runs on a device21:04
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nimmersattso there have to be some cool sailfish fans among the 25000 fairphone Owner... ?21:05
nimmersattand they would make a port for it then...21:05
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avivbyoAny News?21:09
Stskeepsstill :( if sledges has your mail we'll spam when there is..21:10
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avivbyoTalked actually about more generic development news , but it's good to hear that either :D21:11
alin|miska|: hi.. you are here too21:11
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edipsHi! here is some video, I hope you like:
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Nicd-damn you21:46
stephgedips is a real person, non?21:46
stephgI thought they were21:47
stephgor has the bot stripped the [0-9][0-9]$21:47
M4rtinKhe is21:47
M4rtinKtalked with him yesterday21:47
M4rtinKon #pyside21:47
stephgoh the bot now squatting on nicks?21:48
edipsHey why dont you check this video before tell me im bot?21:48
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lbtedips: hehe21:48
M4rtinKmaybe the bot is harvesting unregistered nicknames ?21:48
lbtso sorry21:48
M4rtinKoh :D21:48
edipsn.p. :)21:48
lbtedips: because we've had a whole load of spam with exactly that message21:48
edipsI know21:48
lbtevil edips, evil21:49
edipswas just a joke, but it is useful video at least :)21:49
M4rtinKLOL :D21:49
M4rtinKwe got pwned :D21:49
lbtso true21:49
edipsanyway, you shouldnt check any video like this :)21:50
edipsor link21:50
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stephgbut I'm wanting to MEET hot QT devs in my area!!!11ONE21:51
edipsyou can join conferences :)21:52
edipsif my area in EU, i would like to join there too..21:53
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edipsM4rtinK: again could not find any way to run pyotherside today :)22:07
M4rtinKedips: ok :)22:09
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M4rtinKedgar2_: I've seen the issue you have opened for pyotherside on Github22:10
edipsI opened an issute about Android at thp's pyotherside at least :)22:11
M4rtinKyeah, good idea! :)22:11
edipsyes :)22:11
M4rtinKmight make people know about how far things are22:11
M4rtinKso I guess we will see if someone reacts :)22:12
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M4rtinKI have updated my Qt SDK, but still don't know when will have some time to take another look at that :)22:12
edipseveryday I learn new things, yesterday I forgot to use pyside32libs and android folder, so it gives some error. today qt creator didnt give any error, but still blank screen appears after installation.22:12
edipsyes I think it is soon :)22:13
M4rtinKyeah, it was often like this22:13
edipsHow do you build headers and create .so files?22:13
M4rtinKbut it mostly starts working in the end22:13
edipsmaybe I can try to run some of python of your materials :)22:14
M4rtinKyou mean Python 3 ?22:14
M4rtinKI was not able to build it22:14
M4rtinKso I used the one from Python2722:14
M4rtinK& that repl trick22:14
edipsI see22:14
M4rtinKtheir instructions aren't very clear how they did it22:14
M4rtinKand I was not able to reproduce it22:15
edipsI assumed you build them all with shiboken22:15
M4rtinKthe PySide port uses Python 222:15
M4rtinKand yeah, I had to build both Shiboken & PySide22:16
M4rtinKbasically by directly calling the Android NDF tools22:16
M4rtinKcheck the build scripts22:16
edipsI checked python27 project's 3.2 but I just saw one header in include folder22:16
M4rtinKyeah, it is a mess22:16
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M4rtinKif they are active, it might be good to open an RFE22:16
M4rtinKfor providing better build instructions22:17
edipssorry, RFL means?22:17
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M4rtinKRequest For Enhancement22:17
M4rtinKlike feature request22:17
M4rtinKas there is just no Python 3 you can easily build at the moment22:18
edipswell, if admin of this project answers my question about SL4A, I think to open one issue too about building headers22:18
M4rtinKand they made their Python 3 so somehow :)22:18
M4rtinKyeah, don't press them too much, one issue at a time :)22:18
edipsI know :)22:18
M4rtinKanyway, have to get up earlier tomorrow22:18
M4rtinKso good night for now :)22:19
edipswell, good night :)22:19
M4rtinKthanks ! :)22:19
M4rtinKnite :)22:19
edipsthank you too :)22:19
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artemmaWhere can I find syslog on sailfish? /var/log/syslog doesn't exist22:25
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merlin1991artemma: it's systemd, so you need to invoke journalctl to read it22:26
artemmaI am asking, because I was going to ask log4qt to send logs to syslog, there is a ready made service for it22:27
artemmanot sure if it will work with systemd22:27
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merlin1991if you're looking for tail -f /var/log/syslog, that's "journalctl -f --no-pager" now22:27
* merlin1991 dislikes it22:27
artemmamerlin1991: thanks22:28
artemmaneeds root access, interesting22:28
merlin1991well you needed that for good old syslog too .D22:28
artemmado you know if there is a way for copying journalctl log file out?22:29
artemmamy use case is remote debugging of app users issues22:29
artemmaI'd ask them to send a log file22:29
merlin1991using syslog for that is rather weird, I'd have debug prints and have them record a session22:31
artemmawell, I do plan to write an own log file to somewhere in /var/log22:31
artemmawas thinking about sending important messages to syslog as well22:32
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merlin1991btw I have a question too, I know about localstorage in qml, but is there some sort of simple key,value store?22:32
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artemmaafter all other apps do it. Could help debugging cross-app problems. Both my current Jolla apps interface system in the not super-officisal ways (fashlight and quick launcher), so there are some cross-app issues22:32
merlin1991it's rather odd to build a db table with 2 string columns :D22:32
artemmamerlin1991: I believe I've seen somewhere on the web a small(ish) QConfig wrapper for QML22:33
artemmaI personally use a single table db, but that's only because I use it for years. If I started nowadays, I probably wouldn22:34
artemmawould have used that wrapper22:34
artemmaon the other hand my wrapper (same as in Wikipedia app on github) just works and works for years. And is QML if it matters to you :)22:35
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* artemma is reading SystemLogAppender code trying to understand if it would work with journalctl22:36
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artemmasetServiceName.. hmm. What's service name for journalctl?22:46
artemmatrying "journalctl"22:46
artemmayeah, works!22:49
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thpedips: how's M4rtinK's pyotherside-on-android project going?22:52
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artemmafunny, log4qt doesn't want to write to journalctl anymore for some reason23:14
artemmastops after trying to print empty string parameter23:14
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artemmaah, no it was streaming attempt via <<23:18
edipsthp: I think it is very close to build pyotherside for Android.23:19
thpcool; i tried building python3 once, but it didn't work out of the box so i didn't pursue it further. once python3 builds, getting pyotherside to work with qt5 should be easy23:20
edipsIt may require to build python32 headers again, or python paths, editing java files for copiying python32 .so and libraries to android23:20
edipsbut I did not locate python build and libs as blackberry guide23:21
edipsBut it should work, because python32 APK can work on device, also I think it must run with terminal or adb shell too23:22
thpwell, porting woes are mostly due to bionic libc methinks23:23
edipsthp: is it possible to run pyotherside with python32 APK?23:23
edipsmaybe QT app can run python32 interpreter within qml23:23
edipsexporting python path like this :
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thpwell, you don't want the interactive interpreter, you just need the lib, link against it, and make sure the lib is found at runtime + make sure the PYTHONHOME/PYTHONPATH is correctly set23:25
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edipsM4rtinK's pyotherside isnt set to pythonhome and python builds in .pri file23:26
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thppythonhome you need at runtime; the libs + headers you need at build time (.pri file)23:27
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edipsso I should path this as blackbery, then will try again23:27
edipssuch as QMAKE_LIBS += -lpython3.2m -L//home/edip/Desktop/pyotherside/libs/python3223:29
edipsQMAKE_CXXFLAGS += -I/home/edip/Desktop/pyotherside/libs/python32/build_dependencies23:29
thpyeah, plus grab the right python3.2 header set and the pyconfig.h from the build and make sure that's in the includepath23:29
edipsI am actually new to development :) M4rtinK updated his pyotherside today, I will try it after editing paths23:31
edips../libs/python32 has build headers23:31
edipssorry, libs/python32 has .so libs23:32
edipsbut It may be problem that .so files has version names, suchas, it fixed now as, but there are a few .so files to needs be changed23:34
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edipsso I change it as /home/edip/Desktop/pyotherside/libs/python32/build_dependencies/pyconfig.h instead of PYTHON_CONFIG = python3.3-config23:48
artemmawhen it /var/log cleaned in Sailfish?23:50
artemmaon every OS start?23:50
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* artemma is thinking on whether he needs to implement max length of log file or if it's good enough to rely on system removing old logs once in a while23:51
artemmaor is it even a good idea to put log file to /var/log if it's cleaned after reboot? Then I can't see logs e.g. if I my app crashed system and I could see it from logs23:52
artemmaor maybe /var/log is cleaned daily via something like logrotate?23:53

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