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| edips | thp: unfortunatelly white screen was appeared again although I edit python.pri | 00:03 |
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| edips | app is still 27 MB, I think it didnt push python files to device | 00:04 |
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| edips | src.pro: http://pastebin.com/1xHp8hrp python.pri: http://pastebin.com/5dQA3hgK pyotherside.pro: http://pastebin.com/Ce8v2gha | 00:15 |
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| edips | in src.pro : INCLUDEPATH += $$PWD/../libs/python32/build_dependencies/ . LIBS += -L$$PWD/../libs/python32 -lpython3.2 | 00:38 |
| edips | thp: Sorry, You mean PYTHONHOME/PYTHONPATH must set in current project .pro file or pyotherside's src.pro file before building? | 00:41 |
| edips | I did not set any path in current project | 00:41 |
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| edips | thp: Thanks for your great project :) | 01:13 |
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| coderus | morning | 07:04 |
| coderus | finally updated to latest sdk | 07:04 |
| coderus | upgraded laptop | 07:04 |
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| coderus | and now ready for development :) | 07:05 |
| Nicd- | yay :) | 07:08 |
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| mars99 | recently ,I study the libhybris,but I have some confusion. | 08:00 |
| mars99 | libhybris how to load andoird hal | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | check the test_* | 08:01 |
| mars99 | yes, by hw_get_module | 08:03 |
| mars99 | but,i found camera is not by this way | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah it takes a different path | 08:03 |
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| mars99 | the second way to open camera ,firstly camera server need to boot | 08:05 |
| mars99 | can camera only load android hal by hw_get_module ? | 08:05 |
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| mars99 | Stskeeps, would you like to share your experience. | 08:09 |
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| mars99 | jolla phone camera work well. camera implementation is by hw_get_module or that way. I am very confusion. | 08:27 |
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| s1gk1ll | hi everyone | 08:59 |
| s1gk1ll | just a heads up | 08:59 |
| Juuba | *pop* | 09:00 |
| s1gk1ll | if you are giving the firsts steps in Qt/C++/QML | 09:00 |
| s1gk1ll | maybe the blackberry docs are a good start | 09:00 |
| s1gk1ll | http://developer.blackberry.com/native/documentation/cascades/dev/ | 09:00 |
| s1gk1ll | "easier" than Qt official docs imo | 09:01 |
| Juuba | nice, ty | 09:01 |
| s1gk1ll | you are welcome | 09:02 |
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| leinir | well... perhaps also important to mention that anything where it talks about Cascades isn't very useful... | 09:06 |
| leinir | being as it's very different to Qt Quick in a lot of ways | 09:07 |
| s1gk1ll | ignore cascades, just look to the fundamentals part | 09:07 |
| leinir | but as to the basics, yup, it's good :) | 09:07 |
| leinir | yeah, that ;) | 09:08 |
| s1gk1ll | im learning signals/slots and c++/qml integration | 09:08 |
| s1gk1ll | they explain that really fine imo | 09:09 |
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| jake9xx | qmlbook.org ? | 09:17 |
| chriadam | imo, start here: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-applicationdevelopers.html then read http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qtqml-index.html and then read http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-index.html | 09:18 |
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| chriadam | the doc team kinda butchered the docs in later versions of Qt, so don't even try to read 5.1/5.2 docs imo | 09:19 |
| s1gk1ll | jake9xx: very very good but mainly qml, not much c++ | 09:21 |
| s1gk1ll | thanks chriadam, I'll take a look | 09:22 |
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| fawzi | chriadam: why the hate for new doc? I see http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/gettingstartedqml.html and http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qmlapplications.html | 09:29 |
| fawzi | I haven't really looked in detail but it desn't look too bad | 09:29 |
| chriadam | fawzi: find me the documentation for the Qt object which is added to the JavaScript host environment, in the new docs. | 09:29 |
| chriadam | i'll time you. | 09:29 |
| chriadam | no cheating and looking in the 5.0 docs. | 09:30 |
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| chriadam | that http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/gettingstartedqml.html is the old QML demo which aalpert wrote, it's not a landing page tbh | 09:30 |
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| chriadam | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qmlapplications.html is the worst doc page in the history of doc pages, imo | 09:31 |
| chriadam | all random stuff mixed together | 09:31 |
| fawzi | chriadam: you mean http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtglobal.html | 09:32 |
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| fawzi | chriadam: how would you do it better? so I can tell leena (she is in the doc team | 09:33 |
| chriadam | fawzi: my major problem with the new docs is that they try to treat every module in Qt the same. IE, one landing page, with similarish layout, and so on | 09:33 |
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| chriadam | fawzi: whereas I just don't think that that makes sense, for QML and QtQuick. | 09:34 |
| fawzi | You want a better reference starting point? not just something like http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qmltypes.html or the introductory articles? | 09:35 |
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| chriadam | there shouldn't need to be a differentiation between a reference starting point versus "first steps with qml" starting point versus wanting in depth information about the engine internals starting point, etc | 09:36 |
| chriadam | in 5.0, you had one landing page: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-applicationdevelopers.html from that, with one click you get to the QML (ie, language + engine + builtin types) docs, or with one click you get to the QtQuick (ie, standard library of types, etc) docs, or with one click you get to first-steps docs, or you get to... | 09:38 |
| s1gk1ll | imo, qt docs may be good but not for starters | 09:38 |
| s1gk1ll | you need to know waht you're looking for | 09:38 |
| s1gk1ll | but hey, you can't please everyone | 09:39 |
| fawzi | chriadam: I see I'll tel the doc people, see what they think, a better one click to everything might be good, but it is not easy | 09:41 |
| chriadam | this page makes me sad: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtqml-index.html <-- some information about builtin types which come with the module -- fine -- but then random information about the JS env and then weirdly two links about the C++ integration... and then a tiny link to the QML reference down the bottom (without any explanation about what that might be) | 09:41 |
| chriadam | fawzi: right, I know it's not easy. I'm just grouchy tonight ;-) | 09:42 |
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| chriadam | I guess i'm just annoyed because i think it was done "mostly right" in the 5.0 docs, and it's just gotten worse over time :-( but obviously I'm biased :-P | 09:43 |
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| fawzi | chriadam: eheh, I have to say that I don't look at the doc often... anyway thanks for the feedback, I will forward it | 09:46 |
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| rcg | morning all | 09:54 |
| rcg | how's it going? | 09:54 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | no good | 09:57 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi Sfiet_Konstantin | 10:05 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hi dr_gogeta86 | 10:07 |
| chriadam | hey Sfiet_Konstantin how's things? | 10:07 |
| dr_gogeta86 | did you start to create instagram client ? | 10:07 |
| dr_gogeta86 | :-D | 10:07 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hi chriadam | 10:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 2 weeks full of exams :) | 10:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dr_gogeta86: I read the docs, and did some other stuff | 10:11 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | But of instragram i don't miss any ... just filters .... i'm not a selfie fun neither then girls | 10:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | better to see they in plaec | 10:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | filters will be complicated at a first release | 10:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | *plce | 10:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I don't even know how to do upload right now | 10:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I think ... are private api | 10:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 10:14 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | you need to snoop traffic from genymotion vm | 10:14 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | for the records my jolla had vibrator fail :-( | 10:15 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | ? | 10:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this is sad | 10:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | care ? | 10:16 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I hope not | 10:16 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I use jolla for work | 10:16 |
| dr_gogeta86 | demise the people | 10:16 |
| chriadam | 2 weeks of exams, ouch that sounds fun :-( | 10:18 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | chriadam: indeed | 10:20 |
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| cvp | do have some one a example from cover/first/second-page and main? :) | 15:47 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | cvp: what do you mean ? | 15:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | they are shipped in SDK | 15:48 |
| cvp | yeah but wantto see from a small app how looks inside :) | 15:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | cvp: use SDK and build / deploy / run | 15:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 15:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | for a bigger app, you have in examples folder of the sdk the "components demo" | 15:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | quite helpful too | 15:50 |
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| cvp | ah... a mediagalerie... ok i look inside , thanks :) | 15:51 |
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| Nicd- | cvp: you can also take a look at https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src | 15:54 |
| Nicd- | it's a simple app that is also in the jolla store | 15:54 |
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| admiral0 | is anybody working on a telegram client? | 15:56 |
| cvp | vincr @tmo | 15:58 |
| admiral0 | ah, any repo? | 16:02 |
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| cvp | i dont know, but i think no | 16:04 |
| cvp | there is no info about if he already start developing | 16:05 |
| cvp | @tmo | 16:05 |
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| admiral0 | seems not | 16:08 |
| admiral0 | he was just interested | 16:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | technically, I should be part of the team with icoderus, mfarotusino and a few other | 16:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but now, no code has been released yet | 16:09 |
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| cvp | bäh... ok its to high for me with programming :) | 16:11 |
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| cvp | better i ask one coder for a mini app what i want :D | 16:13 |
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| Sailor1190 | hi everybody | 16:23 |
| cvp | hi | 16:24 |
| Sailor1190 | could someone give me some hints on win8 | 16:24 |
| Sailor1190 | i want to install ubuntu | 16:24 |
| Sailor1190 | but there is a firmware security tjat doesn't allow it | 16:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Sailor1190: better try elsewhere, we might not be experts here | 16:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I tried to get rid of this secure boot thing on a friend's laptop | 16:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | took 3h and I failed :( | 16:26 |
| raa70 | hey, how can I add google's 8.8.8.8 dns permanently to phone? | 16:29 |
| Sailor1190 | damn it | 16:31 |
| kor | raa70: resolv.conf ? | 16:31 |
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| raa70 | connman writes over | 16:31 |
| raa70 | my googlefu isn't strong enough to work that out | 16:32 |
| Sailor1190 | myself i dont know | 16:32 |
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| Sailor1190 | sorry | 16:32 |
| TheBootroo_work | raa70: https://lists.connman.net/pipermail/connman/2012-July/010539.html | 16:33 |
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| kor | raa70: Nameservers = [ 8.8.8.8 ] into the connman entry | 16:34 |
| kor | TheBootroo_work: lol, the link i was reading from | 16:34 |
| TheBootroo_work | kor: yep | 16:34 |
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| v3ng3anc32002 | Hello Guys | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | hello | 18:01 |
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| m4g0g | hi | 18:28 |
| m4g0g | where I should store app data? | 18:28 |
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| Acce | m4g0g: .local/harbour-appname and .config/harbour-appname | 18:30 |
| Acce | you can easily access them via StandardPaths | 18:30 |
| m4g0g | I use standard paths but it doesn't work | 18:30 |
| Acce | hmm, you might have to set your appname in c++ | 18:31 |
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| m4g0g | QSettings settings (QStandardPaths::writableLocation (QStandardPaths::DataLocation), QSettings::NativeFormat); | 18:32 |
| m4g0g | this is right or not? | 18:32 |
| Acce | are you using QSettings? or QtQuick.LocalStorage? | 18:32 |
| m4g0g | QSettings | 18:32 |
| m4g0g | LocalStorage - it's database | 18:33 |
| Acce | yeah, but people use it to store app data too | 18:33 |
| m4g0g | I need only file with data | 18:33 |
| Acce | you should probably use this constructor: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtcore/qsettings.html#QSettings-5 | 18:33 |
| Acce | then you don't have to worry about the QSettings paths, as long as you have set app name etc. | 18:34 |
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| Acce | do you need to use the settings from qml or c++ only? | 18:35 |
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| m4g0g | it's not settings | 18:39 |
| m4g0g | it's data stored between launches | 18:39 |
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| m4g0g | It need organization name | 18:40 |
| m4g0g | fuck | 18:40 |
| Acce | don't worry, you can actually use it without organization name | 18:40 |
| m4g0g | no | 18:40 |
| m4g0g | I mean yes | 18:40 |
| Acce | I use QSettings("Myappname", "filename") | 18:40 |
| Acce | it worked fine even after the update which broke some apps | 18:41 |
| m4g0g | but path to settings will be ~/.config/Unknown Organization/harbour-linksbag.conf | 18:41 |
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| Acce | I think you can safely use your appname instead of organization name.. if you want organization name, just use your name or nick | 18:43 |
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| m4g0g | Write code it's easyer than create organization name or application name ^-( | 18:45 |
| Acce | what do you mean? | 18:46 |
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| m4g0g | I mean that in development the most complex thing - create application name =) | 18:50 |
| Acce | haha :D yes, it is hard to think a good name | 18:52 |
| Acce | because it is not good to change the name often | 18:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | m4g0g: I'm not inspired most of the time | 18:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (friends, widgets, publictransportation etc.) | 18:53 |
| m4g0g | =)) | 18:53 |
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| m4g0g | For me it's always a problem | 18:53 |
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| m4g0g | I want to create so many applicaitons for jolla but I haven't all needen api and etc for this. Adviced libraries haven't documentation or it documentation is poor. All of this make me sad :-( | 18:57 |
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| Acce | m4g0g: yes.. we have to hope they pay someone to write good docs | 19:00 |
| Acce | I hope there will be some news about api with new update | 19:00 |
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| artemma | Is there some way to get app proper log file location from the system or do I just write to /var/log/myappname/whatever.log ? | 21:37 |
| artemma | Also do you know if we are allowed to put files to QStandardPaths::ConfigLocation by harbour? | 21:37 |
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| Yaniel | artemma: you use journalctl? | 21:39 |
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| artemma | Yaniel: I plan to use journalctl for important messages and my own log file for more details | 21:39 |
| Yaniel | ah | 21:39 |
| artemma | also my own log file lets me keep longer logs I guess | 21:39 |
| * artemma experiements with QStandardPaths. Let's see what it tells | 21:41 | |
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| artemma | it's a pity silica's standardpaths list only few things | 21:42 |
| Acce | artemma: you're allowed to create and store files in QStandardPaths, but not put them into the rpm, if i remember correctly | 21:43 |
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| artemma | Acce: that should be fine for log files, not so fine for config files | 21:43 |
| artemma | but will see where config path points to | 21:43 |
| Acce | it should point to .config/organizationname/appname/ depending how you set them for QCoreApplication or QSettings | 21:45 |
| artemma | errgh, build process with 5 subprojects and 3 prm packages takes time. I need to borrow a quick rsync/ftp workflow from somebody | 21:45 |
| artemma | config loc ("/home/nemo/.config", "/etc/xdg") | 21:45 |
| artemma | data loc ("/home/nemo/.local/share", "/usr/local/share", "/usr/share") | 21:45 |
| artemma | generic data loc ("/home/nemo/.local/share", "/usr/local/share", "/usr/share") | 21:46 |
| Acce | as for config files, I don't know if it's customary to package the initial config files, but probably could just create them on the first run too | 21:46 |
| artemma | so.. I should be able to put configs to /home/nemo/.config , but maybe I am not allowed to deploy there | 21:46 |
| * artemma went to check harbour rules | 21:46 | |
| Acce | hmm yeah, those + some path depending on your appname etc | 21:46 |
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| artemma | yep, harbour doesn't allow deploying to /home/nemo/.config | 21:47 |
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| Acce | hopefully the update will bring something new to the app devs too.. | 21:47 |
| artemma | okay.. then I can put configs to my own app folder and use that standard locations for overrides if any | 21:48 |
| artemma | so that user could e.g. drop a config file requiring more logs | 21:48 |
| artemma | or actually harbour faq lets me to write to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/<HARBOUR_APP_NAME | 21:49 |
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| ln- | anyone seen icons on top of lock screen and ambience selection? http://www.nbl.fi/~nbl3392/kuvat/lock+icons1.jpg http://www.nbl.fi/~nbl3392/kuvat/lock+icons2.jpg | 21:49 |
| Acce | it's probably quickly tested with the rpm validator, try deploy something there | 21:50 |
| artemma | Now which QStandardPaths var does $XDG_CONFIG_HOME correspond to? | 21:50 |
| artemma | ah, it says I cannot deploy to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME, but I can create files there during runtime | 21:51 |
| Acce | ConfigLocation is my guess | 21:51 |
| Acce | yep, maybe just deploy it to usr/share and copy to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME on the first run? | 21:52 |
| artemma | yeah, that should work.. | 21:52 |
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| artemma | I guess I just deploy config to my apps folder | 21:52 |
| artemma | it's nice to have configs in proper *nix location, but it's not super important to me | 21:52 |
| artemma | and if I make config file overrides easily, that could even make a nice feature | 21:53 |
| Acce | I think the reason it's not allowed is, that they mgiht change location of $XDG_* with some update, which would break the rpm.. but if QStandardPaths are used on the runtime, correct location comes from the updated libs | 21:53 |
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| artemma | oups, my app (user nemo I guess) doesn't have right to create subdirs and files in /var/log | 22:49 |
| artemma | any good reason for it? Where should I create my logs then? | 22:49 |
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