Thursday, 2014-03-27

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saileranyone out there ?04:24
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Stskeepsmorn situ05:39
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* lpotter is sailing on rainy waters today05:49
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stephgmorning everyeone07:02
ArkkisWoke up same time as me07:03
ArkkisThis requires ultimate skills07:03
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Arkkisstephg, the only thing to be an early adopter was to send msg to sledges with email 'n' stuff?07:16
stephgArkkis, yep that's it07:16
stephgdid you talk to him here as well?07:17
ArkkisHe hasn't been online since I came here..07:17
Arkkisor not at same time atleast07:17
stephgwell if you mailed him that should be enough07:17
stephghe's the one keeping The List07:17
ArkkisI only sent private msg in IRC07:18
stephgwith your email in tho yeah?07:18
ArkkisFooled me.07:18
stephgthat's it then07:18
stephgwell Stskeeps said unless something goes terribly wrong, it'd be today07:18
ArkkisYep.. heard it. Actually got you two mixed up. I hope he wokes up soon too : D07:19
ArkkisHa! again..07:21
stephgthat full stop looks very final ;)07:21
ArkkisI already installed 10.1.3 last night07:22
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gabriel9|workis there any plans to create tabs on sailfish?08:17
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gabriel9|worki found this thread08:25
gabriel9|worktabs like in tweetian08:25
gabriel9|worki am creating app for cinema, and i heve 2 pages: what is playing now and what is coming next08:26
gabriel9|workMain page is what is playing now and in pulley i put refresh08:27
gabriel9|workand for some reason i don't like idea to put link to new page in pulley menu08:28
stephgthe reply to that iirc was tabs no, but pages as you say like in tweetian08:28
fluxsoo, where do I find the things I need to know to write a new Account type (for sharing pictures) to Jolla?08:29
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fluxthis probably is a better starting point than some, but..
gabriel9|workas i see in sailfish silica lib there is no tabs08:35
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fluxthough it doesn't answer my question, it's cool things like this exists:
Nightmare__gabriel9|work, you can load a page in background, it is indicated by a dot, with swipe you can navigate between the pages08:46
gabriel9|worklike in friends app08:48
gabriel9|workhm, i dont like it08:49
gabriel9|workit is not user friendly08:49
Nightmare__like in messeging app, after you oppened a conversation08:50
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gabriel9|workthat also08:59
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roborohey... its tomorrow... today09:10
Arkkisit is morning also :) Soon09:11
Nightmare__tomorrow never dies :)09:12
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JagglHello everyone. I have a spare Nexus 4 on my desk - is there a way to get an alpha of sailfish to try on it?10:23
Stskeepsyou sign up with a message to sledges with your name / nickname / email and why10:23
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jussiyay, my package containing the xperia pro has arrived... now just to wait for the porting guide :D10:27
jussiso that will be the second device for sailfish to go on :D10:27
jussi(well, 3rd, but the other 2 are a pick any one, but not both)10:28
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netzviehflux: SailfishOS sync - to test caldav, see and maybe that gives you a starting point. It's for the caldav sync stuff (and not fully operational). you might also want to look at the buteo-sync* stuff at nemomobile github, not sure if there's proper docs atm10:51
netzviehflux: basically you need the service and provider stuff, qml for the settings and some other code10:52
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fluxnetzvieh, ok. I suppose those are part of Sailfish OS, not Qt itself?11:08
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netzviehflux: I'm not sure what you're talking about11:10
fluxso can I look into Qt documentation about this or not?-)11:11
fluxbut thanks for the pointers11:12
netzviehwell it uses libaccounts-qt5 and libsignon-qt5, so at least for part of it you should be able to find qt docs11:12
fluxactually things like /usr/share/accounts/services/picasa.service seem relevant11:12
netzviehflux: yes, you need a provider & a service file11:13
netzviehplaced in the corresponding subfolders of /usr/share/accounts11:14
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coderusMitakuuluu update v0.2-4. Major bugfixies included.11:28
leszekroboro: hi, read your comment on my videoplayer. Its a nice idea with QtAV but it lacks hardware acceleration support for jolla currently and that is something not easily done I guess. All in all I still hope for gstreamer 1.0 to hit sailfishos which should fix most of the problems that are there today11:30
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roborohi leszek11:31
roboroyeah... I looked into qtav a bit more... looks like there are a few dependencies that we would have to settle as well11:32
roboroany idea when gstreamer 1.0 may hit?11:32
roborothe other issue is how to get around all the harbour requirements11:32
leszekcoderus: Mitakuuluu asks me to register after the update on v0.2-4. I already did that some time ago with the old version ? Is it a bug ?11:34
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coderusroboro: leszek: is GStreamerVideoOuput component not hardware accelerated?11:34
leszekcoderus: it is11:34
coderusleszek: no idea, send me logfile to confirm11:34
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avivbyoToday is the big day :D i cant wait11:35
Nightmare__coderus, mine did ask for reg too, just entered the phonenumber again->everything was ok11:36
Nightmare__but there is a little bug in the ui11:36
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coderusNightmare__: do shutdown engile and start again11:37
coderuswill be registration asked again?11:37
Nightmare__reg worked for me, wasn'T a problem11:39
avivbyoUmm may i ask about what are you talking?11:39
Nightmare__new mitäkuuluu version 2.411:39
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Nightmare__coderus, that link above is the ui bug i ment11:40
Nightmare__you can push the pushupmenu too far11:41
leszekroboro: the only thing I guess that would allow into harbour would be a fork or copy of 1.0 like ytplayer did it11:42
Almindorwhat component is the circular slider? can't seem to find it in silica reference11:43
leszekroboro: see the "ugly hack" here:
roboroleszek: sorry... on phone brb11:43
Almindoroh it's just timepicker..11:43
AlmindorI thought there was a singular circle one11:43
coderusNightmare__: oh thanks, missed that bug, will be fixed in next release11:46
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coderususe this for hotfixing if want11:50
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ChimChimHey guys :) Big release today?:)11:51
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Nightmare__oh thx, i'll do that :D11:53
avivbyoChimChim: probably , yeah11:53
coderuswhat is Big Release?11:54
coderusSailfish SW?11:54
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roboroleszek: ha ha... I love the ugly hack11:56
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roboroso as long as you hide your import in a chunk of binary its fine with harbour11:56
leszekroboro: it seems just to be hack to trick the automatic harbour checking system11:56
roborosort of makes harbour a bit of a joke... doesn't it11:56
leszekyeah. But I guess no one checked the code really. They just ran the build checker and tested if the app started and worked11:57
roborowhy is importing 1.0 out of bounds?11:57
lbtdepends .. if you think of the harbour checker as something to be fooled or something we offer to help responsible app developers ensure their users get the best experience :)11:58
avivbyocoderus: Sailfish OS for N4\SGSIII(4G)11:59
roborowell... I'm all for providing the best experience... but I also realize that there are always going to be shortcomings.... if I can't make my app harbour compliant... I'll keep it available on openrepos11:59
lbtleszek: we don't have the resources to check the code - we hope we can trust our devs to work with us and respect the rules we lay out.12:00
Nightmare__coderus, your hotfix for the pushupmenu works fine12:00
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roboroI'm not that fussed... if it works for me... then I'm happy... I just thought more people might enjoy exposure to the app12:00
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lbtroboro: that's cool too - and working through these issues is what we want to do12:00
leszeklbt: the ytplayer example shows that it seems not to be possible to code a video player "harbour" compliant12:00
roborolbt: why is 1.0 not allowed as an import?12:00
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lbtroboro: I wish I knew - almost certainly because we've not nailed down the API yet12:01
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roboroit seems to me that if it is used for a base jolla application, then we should be able to use it as well...12:01
leszekroboro: I guess they planned api changes thats the reason why12:02
lbtwell - that doesn't hold for all apis12:02
lbtwe can ensure that all internal apps are changed in lock-step with a release12:02
lbtwe can't do that for store apps12:02
leszekit would break our apps if they would change the api with an update and it would look bad then12:03
lbtand please don't think I like this either :)12:03
roboropoint taken... it would just be nice to know when this will be permitted12:03
lbtand if you go AWOL ... what then ?12:03
lbtroboro: yep - we had a meetup at FOSDEM and discussed this12:03
roboroheh... fair enough12:03
lbt(just fyi)12:03
lbtso it's something we try to discuss as openly as possible (it doesn't get much more open!)12:04
lbtit's also quite hard to explain in irc in a few lines12:04
roboroawesome... I'm fine with that...12:04
lbtand in docs it's *waay* too tl;dr;12:04
roboroI'll stick with openrepos and if things change in the future, I'll think about copying over to harbour12:05
lbtso there is an element of 'trust us' ... but feel free to verify, nag and suggest :)12:05
lbtyeah - you may want to help tbr with the community QA'ed repos too12:05
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roborono problem... the kind of stuff I generally do is probably not going to make it into harbour anyway12:05
lbtthat's something I'll try to help push (Mer/community hat on there)12:06
lbtyeah - chum and OBS is more for providing QA'ed shared libraries etc12:06
lbtand allowing a more linuxy-distro feel12:06
roborommmm I'd be glad to get involved... not sure what I can do or where to start... but I'm keen to see mer grow12:06
roboroI use OBS to build bits and bobs that I need as it is... not even sure how to get stuff approved for mer...12:07
tbrlbt: maybe he could help you shape policies and things first. I'm for various reasons currently reduced to do janitorial work on chum, aka testing SRs12:07
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lbtwould be great12:07
roborommm happy to help12:08
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roboroif you want to get in touch... drop me a mail at roboro@xplode.org12:08
* roboro just sees his spam index jump12:08
roboroI'd love to get more involved with this stuff...12:09
lbtit's been brewing for a while:
lbthas some background12:09
sledgesslightly outdated, but has the gist (note, that's for mer-core)12:09
roboroI have a full time job... so I could probably only be able to handle small chunks at a time12:09
lbtroboro: that's how I started on this stuff :)12:10
roborommm I'll do some reading and then see if I can get involved12:11
lbtalso - do ask about 1.0 on together... it's more persistent there12:12
roboroI'll try get around to it today12:12
lbt:) ty12:13
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Almindorhmm I can't get emulator to work, keys never match up (even after regeneration)12:32
Almindoram I doing something wrong?12:32
* lbt checks his email....12:37
NoGy_lbt: make sure to be seated while checking12:37
sledgesD; no email in my inbox12:39
stephgonly the servers email me :/12:39
stephgall the time12:39
stephgit never ends12:39
lbtstephg: my servers love me too ...12:39
sledgesi'll wait patiently until the times comes :)12:40
stephghey sledges that's my line ;)12:40
stephga greylisted email12:40
stephgfrom jolla12:40
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fogWraithLovely e-mail, let me follow the guidelines12:45
Stskeepsok, all sent out12:45
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RocketD0GHey, a quick question. I'm getting a Nokia Lumia 900 for free if i want it. Can i port Sailfish to it ?12:46
StskeepsRocketD0G: no, it has a locked bootloader and doesn't run sailfishos12:47
Stskeepsrun android12:47
RocketD0GAww, damn. It's trash then. :)12:47
tantyguys, what do you use in your qmake .pro files12:47
lbtRocketD0G: you can do what I did and sell it on eBay to buy a decent phone...12:47
tantyto identify you are running in Sailfish?12:48
squiddlbt: no, he said its trash!12:48
squiddRocketD0G: send your trash to me!12:48
RocketD0Gsquidd: I'll check XDA if they're done something fun to it. :)12:48
RocketD0Glbt: Lumia 900 goes for no money here in Finland :D12:49
ChimChimavivbyo not sure if troll or..12:49
squiddRocketD0G: older people seem to like lumia thingies12:49
avivbyono really , i got it12:49
chat375ooh no email for me :(12:49
ChimChimthe wait and then the slap in the face ;_;12:50
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Stskeepsif you haven't gotten it, msg me your e-mail12:50
Stskeepsand check your spam folders12:50
RocketD0Gsquidd: True, I had a Samsung Galaxy Young that sold for quite good money when i themed it to W8 :D12:50
jeppedstskeeps, still time to raise my hand or did you already select your testers?12:51
alinonce again what was the address for early adapters?12:51
ChimChimI checked and got nothing ;_;12:51
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* lbt wonders what the prize is for the first community youtube ?12:52
Stskeepsa hug?12:52
sledgesjepped: never too late until it's public ;)12:53
RocketD0Gwhat the actual shite. how come a lumia 900 is locked down that badly :D12:53
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sledgesRocketD0G: you just answered your question :)12:54
* Stskeeps looks for a cold beer12:54
* jussi hands a carlsberg elephant to Stskeeps12:55
RocketD0Gsledges: yes. went to xda to try to find something to do with the free one I can get if i wanted it. but that's just evil by nokia :D12:55
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stephgooh it is nearly beer o'clock12:56
lbtplease! ... it's nearly bacon o'clock!12:56
jussilbt: ITS always BACON OCLOCK12:56
Mnsuwhy not both?12:56
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lbtjussi: mmm12:56
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jussihrm, oops, had caps lock on there...12:57
Mnsubacon flavored beer?12:57
jussiMnsu: errr....12:57
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sledgesgin o'clock (c) the Queen12:59
* Stskeeps hopes it all works13:00
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carepackyeah. email received!13:04
carepackthx a lot13:04
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* Morpog_Jolla_ looks at his poor Nexus713:08
StskeepsMorpog_Jolla_: don't worry, you'll get it in due time13:08
Stskeepsone thing at a time13:08
ChimChimoh snap, no call audio yet ;_; Guess I'll have to wait for the next release..13:09
fk_lx_j_Congratulations for the work to team Sailfish on Android devices13:09
avivbyoInstalling right now , video capturing is on!13:09
AlianderWoohoo! Can't wait to get out of work today13:10
fogWraithBest part of sending files and trying to install this, is that people are calling and interrupting the process :P13:10
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StskeepsChimChim: yeah, it's a silly permissions issue supposedly13:10
netzviehStskeeps: why installing 4.2.2 and then 10.1?13:12
jussiI guess either Im lower on the list, or just not loved anymore...13:12
NoGynetzvieh: first guess: radio rom revision is essential13:13
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ChimChimStskeeps, shame because I don't really mind about the other bugs and such but I really need to make calls haha13:14
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Stskeepsnetzvieh: modem images13:16
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netzviehNoGy: Stskeeps, mhh makes sense :)13:17
Stskeepsi just want to have a stable config underneath13:17
SergioKravtsovThank you! Will try today at evening to install it in dualboot with android13:18
* jussi cries on Stskeeps's shoulder13:18
* Stskeeps comforts jussi with a kangaroo lullaby13:19
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jussiStskeeps: I'm incredibly disappointed and hurt13:19
lbtmore beer will fix that13:19
lbtsee - it's working already :)13:20
jussilbt: but but but!!! I want my sailfish....13:20
lbtright ... food time ... all that bacon talk...13:20
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NoGyStskeeps: One question: How long does the step "Running installation script" take? >5min?13:22
StskeepsNoGy: it takes quite a bit13:22
Stskeepsif it dosen't fail, that's good13:22
NoGyno, still going strong13:22
NoGyah, there we go13:22
sledgesit's something substantial ;)13:23
* NoGy feels welcome aboard13:23
kimmolihmm, i feel i have missed something great13:26
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SergioKravtsovkimmoli, check your e-mail13:27
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avivbyoDamn , no hebrew :(13:28
sledgesSergioKravtsov: he's not on ;)13:28
kimmolii'm loyal to the hw13:29
sledgesand TOHs it gives ;)13:29
Stskeepsbtw, first impressions of nexus 4 image welcome13:30
kimmoliwaiting my own schedule entry "power up UDOO"13:30
tbrah, NoGy popped up as expected :D13:30
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sledgesavivbyo: how's your hebrew l10t team doing? ;)13:31
avivbyosledges: finally formed a group of 10 people13:31
avivbyosledges: we can start working now but sailfish it self seem not to under stand hebrew13:32
Stskeepsavivbyo: it's a conf file, AFAIK13:32
Stskeepsand a font issue13:32
Stskeepsi think there's a issue on VKB.. sec13:32
avivbyoThere is13:32
avivbyoi got it13:32
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NoGytbr: sure13:35
avivbyoAnd how do i change my ambiance color :) ?13:35
stephgavivbyo, on the N4 in the gallery13:35
Stskeepsavivbyo: go change ambience in gallery for example13:35
avivbyoGot it , awesome13:36
NoGythe browser is surprisingly nice for such an early firmware13:37
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tbrNoGy: and it's open source, so you can send pull requests13:38
sledgesit's jolla's u413:38
sledgesno-one's left out :)13:39
tbrnow I just need jusa to show up and bring back my Nexus4 ;)13:39
fluxwhat is the /swap subvolume in jolla? an unfinished idea?13:39
rusty88hi everyone, i got the early adopter e-mail.. just got a question, I have a galaxy s3 (I9300) if I install the rom for the galaxy s3 lte (I9305) will it work? i mean aside from more memory and the modem the rest of the HW is the same13:39
sledgessorry :)13:39
rusty88oh ok, what a shame :(13:42
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sledgeswait till next iteration :)13:42
tbrrusty88: I guess you could take the hardware adaptation for the 9305 and try to create one for the 9300 based on that. But it's more work than "drop in this zip"13:42
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avivbyoCalendar app seems to crash13:44
Thybois there so much difference between s3 and s3 4g?13:44
Stskeepsyeah, modem is different13:45
Stskeepsavivbyo: hmmm, crash?13:45
Stskeepsworks for me13:45
avivbyoLike force closeing13:45
Thybowho needs a modem anyways '-_-13:45
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Stskeepsavivbyo: sure you're not accidentially pulling from the top by chance?13:45
avivbyoI am actually pulled13:45
Stskeepsdoes it show the (x) thing?13:45
avivbyothen it crashes13:46
avivbyoonce i use the pulley menu13:46
avivbyobut sometimes he13:46
avivbyohe is fine*13:46
Stskeepsok, get a video of it and we'll take it forward -- this is exactly the same os as is running latest jolla devices13:46
Stskeepsso it might just be a touch sensitivity issue13:46
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Stskeepsavivbyo: thanks for reporting :)13:49
avivbyoanother bug found lol13:49
rusty88does anyone want to help porting to s3 ? xD13:49
rusty88or at least point me in the right direction ?13:49
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Stskeepsrusty88: it'll be quite easy once the hardware adaptation kit comes out13:49
avivbyoSettings app Device lock feature crashes when using pulley menu13:50
Stskeepsyeah, that's expected13:50
rusty88Stkeeps: ahh ok :) i'll be waiting13:50
Stskeepsand noted in the known issues13:50
avivbyoWhat noted?13:51
Stskeepsoh feh13:51
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Stskeepssomebody renamed device lock to device clock :)13:51
Stskeepsmy bad, that should have been noted13:51
Stskeepsit uses a special security partition to store lock code and that's not available in this port just yet13:52
sledgeslet's see how many others test device lock ;)13:53
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Stskeepsavivbyo: performance is fine, right?13:54
avivbyoYes it is13:54
avivbyoActually quite smooth13:54
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Stskeepsthis is the first rollout to factual users of this, so a bit worried about how our baby deals with real life ;)13:55
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Stskeepsanybody hit any installation problems so far?13:57
rm_workStskeeps: ooh, sailfish rollout to the public? :P13:57
Stskeepsrm_work: nexus 413:57
rm_workah, nice13:57
Stskeepsrm_work: got one?13:57
natoriousStskeeps: just downloaded.  Will find out soon :)13:57
rm_workbut i gave it to my GF :(13:57
olidadudeHello my name is /Me and i would love to install sailfish on my nexus 4 :D anybody got instruchtions?13:57
rm_workusing N5 ow13:57
Stskeepsrm_work: ah, good time to steal it back then ;)13:58
Stskeepsolidadude: sign up with sledges as an early adopter13:58
avivbyoDamn , i can't connect to the ssh13:58
sledgesolidadude: pm me your real name, and related motivational experience :)13:58
Stskeepsavivbyo: settings->system->developer mode   , remote connection ?13:58
sledgesavivbyo: via usb?13:58
avivbyoGot it via wifi13:59
olidadude@sledges already wrote you in hangouts my name is Olivier Gafer13:59
avivbyocan posibbly login as root?13:59
sledgesolidadude: thanks, next task it to pm me here ;)13:59
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Stskeepsavivbyo: devel-su -> use same password13:59
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avivbyoHow can i move files to ny device?14:01
avivbyoim trying for a hour or so14:01
Stskeepsavivbyo: scp? mtp isn't working14:01
avivbyohow do i login via SCP?14:01
Stskeepsssh credentials14:02
Stskeepsscp = secure copy over ssh :)14:02
Stskeepssftp also exists14:02
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avivbyogot me confused14:02
avivbyoso i'll get in via SSH14:02
Stskeepsok, let me say it a different way14:02
Stskeepsfrom your pc14:03
Stskeepsscp filename nemo@your-nexus4-ip:~14:03
avivbyoOh i get it14:03
Stskeepsthat places it in ~ / home directory of nemo on the device14:03
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fogWraithah, finally... no more interruptions, time to install this... smooth sailing!14:06
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fogWraithIt's definately doing stuff, booting for the first time now14:08
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ThybofogWraith: lucky uu14:09
Thybobtw any one knows how to unbrick a N9?14:09
sledgesThybo: it's unbrickable (unless you messed with CAL)14:10
ThyboCAL is?14:11
carepackstskeeps: the email you send is ready for beeing shared public?14:11
Thyboit was flashing14:11
Thyboand i sort of unplugged it in the first step14:11
Stskeepscarepack: well, we say for early adopters only, but we know how people love forbidden fruit..14:11
sledgesThybo: along the lines of 'area of loader of the bootloader'14:11
Thybomy brain only activated after i moved14:11
Stskeepscarepack: it's all about mutual trust :)14:11
Thyboi'm afraid it might be that sledges14:11
carepackstskeeps: fast
rm_workoh, I do still have ny N95014:11
Thybocoz screen is just black :(14:11
Stskeepscarepack: yeah, 30 minutes, i was impressed14:11
sledgesThybo: if you interrupted flashing, try flashing again14:12
rm_workis there an updated image for that along with this release?14:12
Stskeepsno, n9 isn't supported by our effort14:12
Thyboi can't connect anymore14:12
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Stskeepscarepack: perhaps we should try the Streisand effect, ;)
Stskeepsrm_work: long story short jolla can't support it as licensing on it is evil14:13
rm_workwow, licensing on N950 evil? gogo Nokia? :/14:14
Thyboif the firts impression is great then it's all good hehe14:14
rm_workso much for "open platform"14:14
rm_work(not that it really was, ever, but...)14:14
Stskeepscarepack: we're happy that people share their experiences, blog about it, tweet, pictures, videos14:14
carepackstskeeps: the only thing - was this intended by jolla ;)14:14
carepackwe do14:14
Stskeepscarepack: the alternative would just be way too much effort14:14
Thybosledges: any solution if CAT is messed up?14:14
Stskeepshiding things is so burdensome14:14
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fogWraithFirst impression; awesome14:16
fogWraithThe subtle watermark, I kind of feel that its in the way, as in not subtle enough :P14:16
StskeepsfogWraith: i did wonder if we should make it clippy style instead14:17
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Stskeeps"Did you know that this software is not production quality?"14:17
Flyserapple does a better job at "leaking" things :P14:17
fogWraithAll the transparency and sweeping here and there is great and all, but having that thing in the back when trying to read the menus makes it kinda get in the way14:19
fogWraithThen again, it will go away later, so, ill live with it ;)14:19
flotronSailfish is better than my dreams14:20
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carepackflotron: +114:20
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FlyserStskeeps: will you release a document describing how to port sailfish os to other android devices? or is something like that already available?14:22
StskeepsFlyser: yes, but not yet14:22
starkershappy to have sf up on my mako :-)14:22
Flysergreat :)14:22
Stskeepsstarkers: cool, works fine?14:22
starkersseems OK14:22
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starkersstuffs borked as expected but at least its not android haha14:23
flotroni didn't wipe after installation and i have aptoide and some other android apps that don't work14:23
StskeepsFlyser: hehe14:23
Stskeepser, flotron14:23
Stskeepsflotron: i had the exact same thing in MWC.14:24
Stskeepsflotron: i was starting to wonder a bit wtf when i saw ubuntu and google play icons14:24
flotronhehe, the wipe and reinstall solved that14:24
Stskeepsand i realized that the person who flashed the device didn't wipe the deviec first, so it picked up /data/app/*14:24
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Nicd-Stskeeps + other Jolla/Mer folk: congrats on the release :)14:25
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Nicd-btw, just remember the Galaxy Gio has only 512 MB space total, I assume that's not enough?14:28
flotronStskeeps: check out this photo
Nicd-Stskeeps: storage14:28
Stskeepsflotron: hehe, yes14:29
StskeepsNicd-: not bad14:29
StskeepsNicd-: microsd?14:29
Nicd-wonder if it would be possible to make it boot from SD14:29
Nicd-yep, it has microsd up to 32 gn14:29
Stskeepsthat helps14:29
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natoriousthis is odd.  After downgrading to 4.2.2 I'm not able to connect the nexus as a media device to copy over cm or sf14:29
fogWraiththe ringtone is nice, now if there was some audio ;)14:29
Nicd-Stskeeps: good to hear :)14:29
StskeepsfogWraith: audio works, but it might be in mp3 format14:30
Stskeepsnatorious: adb sideload works too14:30
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natoriousk, I'll give that a go14:30
fogWraithOh I meant audio for calls :P14:31
netzviehmhh I crashed the UI :D14:31
Stskeepsnetzvieh: cool, how?14:32
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netzviehstarting camera app and pulling to see clock14:32
netzvieh(while it was initializing)14:33
Stskeepsnetzvieh: ah, interesting14:33
* Stskeeps tries14:33
flotronthe browser is so smooth14:34
euroelessarnetzvieh: I got camera app freezed by your instruction :)14:34
netzviehso how do I kick UI back on again?14:34
netzviehnever had the problem on my jolla :D14:34
flotronThe browser is smoother than Lumia's but the refresh rate of screen seems lower on animations14:35
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sledgesflotron: im glad you are comparing this to a productised device ;)14:36
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Stskeepsflotron: we are actually intentionally slowing down animations a bit some places, i think..14:36
netzviehwell and I have a whole lot of these upowerd[875]: GLIB WARNING ** UPower-Linux - energy_full (2091.000000) is greater than energy_full_design (0.000000)14:36
Stskeepsnetzvieh: that's just upower being retarded..14:36
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netzviehwell and the hostname is Jolla instead of localhost on the actual Jolla :D14:38
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Stskeepsnetzvieh: nice find14:38
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netzviehStskeeps: so can I revive the UI from commandline?14:39
Stskeepsnetzvieh: it shoould really start up on it's own again14:40
Stskeepspower button doesn't work?14:40
Stskeepsok, hold down power button and volume down14:40
netzviehMar 27 15:38:58 Jolla mce[826]: modules/display.c: mdy_renderer_set_state_cb(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.14:40
netzviehMar 27 15:38:58 Jolla mce[826]: modules/display.c: mdy_stm_step(): ui stop failed, retrying14:40
netzviehevery 2 minutes14:40
Stskeepsnetzvieh: ok, do a reboot perhaps14:40
Stskeepsreboot -f is best i guess14:41
coderusmy ubunty received gstreamer1.0 update :)14:41
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ryukafalzThink it's likely that the Moto G will be supported at some point? It's a Snapdragon 400 and officially supported by Cyanogen. Trying to evaluate my options for a new phone. :)14:42
netzviehryukafalz: buy a Jolla ;)14:42
ryukafalznetzvieh: Oh how I would love that. ;) Unfortunately it's a bit above my price range.14:44
ryukafalz...and isn't sold in my country (US)14:44
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Sailor10336any chance of getting in on being an early adopter of sailfish on nexus 414:44
ryukafalznetzvieh: (also doesn't support tmo's 3G bands in most places AFAIK)14:45
kenguSailor10336: just download the thingies14:45
Stskeeps(fwiw it's better to be registered..)14:46
NoGyHm, screen lock does not work14:46
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StskeepsNoGy: it works for me, which kind of screen lock?14:47
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sledgesSailor10336: register with me (pm)14:47
Stskeepsworks and works, it's a bit buggy14:47
Stskeeps(as noted in the release notes)14:47
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NoGyIf I set a device lock pin (5 digits), it is double checked, but not used. I'm displayed that ther is no lock in place and I should pull down in order to set one14:48
natoriousStskeeps: how would you go about using sideload if you installed cwm?14:48
StskeepsNoGy: ah14:48
StskeepsNoGy: device lock doesn't work14:48
Stskeepsnatorious: install zip -> from sideload?14:48
Sailor10336sledges: how do i register with you14:48
Stskeepsand then adb sideload cm first, then sailfish zip14:48
StskeepsNoGy: the release notes should have said device lock, not device clock14:49
sledgesSailor10336: send me private message (pm)14:49
sledgesvia /msg14:49
Sailor10336sledges: if you.need an email address, it's 14:51
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natoriousStskeeps: odd, my nexus 5 cable(which works fine with the nexus 5) seemed to be the issue.  Switched cables and it worked :)14:52
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UmeaboyWill there be a possibility of dualbooting between two systems?14:55
UmeaboyFor non-Jolla devices.14:55
UmeaboyFor instance if I'd like to boot either Ubuntu Touch or Sailfish OS on my i9305.14:56
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bluebleephello, i am interested in becoming an early adopter14:57
sledgesbluebleep: pm me14:58
UmeaboySame here if I can. ;)14:58
UmeaboyI run CM 10.1.3 on my phone now.14:59
NoGynice, Wireless charging works14:59
Eztranreally getting an army of early adopters now the email's gone out, huh?14:59
bluebleepsledges: hello14:59
StskeepsNoGy: n4 has wireless charging?15:00
sledgesbluebleep: it's /msg sledges hello15:00
NoGyStskeeps: sure15:00
Umeaboysledges: Can I PM you as well?15:00
sledgesUmeaboy: sure15:00
NoGyStskeeps: Qi standard15:00
sledgesUmeaboy: dualboot - it needs a study of how multiboot/multirom works and how sfos installs it - anyone's welcome to help even now ;)15:00
StskeepsNoGy: good to know, i didn't actually know it :P15:01
* jussi hugs Stskeeps and grins15:04
netzviehhmm is it normal that the screen stays black when calling someone? even when I press the powerbutton? (don't have a sim in my jolla)15:06
* netzvieh is talking about the mako release15:06
Stskeepsnetzvieh: if proximity sensor is activated it turns off to conserve power15:07
Stskeepsie, longer talk time15:09
Stskeepsthere's something really foobar about proximity sensor on n4 atm15:09
netzviehStskeeps: well I called, screen goes black -> can't get it back on15:09
Stskeepsnetzvieh: ok, noted as a bug15:09
Stskeepsas i also wrote, we didn't really test that through terribly well :)15:09
Stskeepsplus, call audio doesn't work15:10
carepackfileupload sftp is working fine.15:10
tbrhmm, didn't jusa get call audio working recently?15:10
Stskeepstbr: yes but not in this release15:10
tbrah :)15:10
netzviehand it froze when i refused the call on the other phone15:11
tbrsomething for people to look forward to then :)15:11
Stskeepswe're planning on many hw adaptation updates, fwiw :P15:11
* NoGy sets aside some bandwidth15:11
Stskeepsand hopefully updateability soon, too15:12
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netzviehwell this time it did not freeze. but the screen stays black after refusing the call :D15:15
Stskeepsnetzvieh: you're a good tester :)15:15
natoriouswpa wireless?15:16
netzviehStskeeps: this is what I get now when pressing power button15:16
jussinetwork is getting a hammering right now15:16
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natorioustrying to connect to a wpa2 wifi network and am not able to15:17
natoriousnot sure if its been reported15:17
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natoriousjust says sorry couldn't connect to the internet15:23
natoriouswith encryption disabled, it works though15:23
sledgesnatorious: is wpa2 with user/pass pair?15:24
natorioussledges: yeah, doesn't even ask for auth15:24
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sledgesWPA auto here with passphrase - works15:25
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sledgesthanks, noted15:25
natoriousnp, thats wpa2 enterprise.  I'll try when I get home on wpa2 personal15:25
sledgesyep, ok15:26
olidadudehow long does the installation usually take, I mean the hybris installer?15:26
sledgesolidadude: sailfish for android installer .zip ?15:26
sledgesjust patience ;)15:27
olidadudeand it already finished :D15:27
olidadudeboots up fast :D15:27
sledgesis how it all comes along together nicely ;)15:28
* Stskeeps needs to go for a while15:28
sledgesolidadude: it's first boot, takes longer ;)15:28
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natorioussledges: right on, this is using PEAP too15:29
fogWraithwpa2 personal worked fine after a restard of the device, if someone wants to know :P15:30
sledgesStskeeps: o/15:30
jussihrm, should I root the device?  do I need to?15:31
sledgesno need15:31
jussiok, thanks15:31
sledgesnp :)15:31
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natorioussledges: should we be submitting issues to tjc?15:36
sledgesinstructions say here ;)15:37
natoriousk, thought so15:37
natoriouslandscape web browsing?15:37
sledgesno sensors15:37
sledgesnot yet ;)15:37
natoriousah, also noticed that inserting or switching sims didn't seem to register15:37
natoriousie no data15:38
flotronthe keyboard is awesome15:38
sledgesnoted ;)15:38
flotronthe browser is unique!!!!!15:38
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flotronwireless charging working15:40
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sledgesvery nice \o/15:43
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jussiright, sailfish install happening now... waiting :D15:51
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* Thybo is pissed not to have a nexus 4 right now15:52
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* jussi hugs Thybo15:52
* Thybo thanks jussi (but would rather have his nexus4 :p)15:52
Xray2000Hi Guys just install Sailfish on my N4 but i have one problem no sound when i call... Other guys the same problem ?15:53
jussiThybo: how much money do you have? :P :P15:53
ThyboXray2000: did you not read before installing? :)15:53
EztranXray2000: you didn't read the email, right?15:53
Thybothere was some text...15:53
kkruglovto xray, yes, there are several issues. read letter )15:53
ThyboRTFM :)15:54
Thybojussi: available for a smartphone purchase sadly 0 :s15:54
kkruglovone question, guys15:54
kkruglovi 100% need to flash full 4.2.2 stock image15:54
Xray2000yes i have read that ok i'm read it again ...15:54
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kkruglovor i can just flash bootloader of 4.2.2?15:55
Stskeepskkruglov: modem images15:55
Xray2000yes indeed sorry guys look that over...15:55
Stskeepsand some other stuff, else wlan doesn't work15:55
jussiand we are done, booting now :D15:55
kkruglovso, modem would be enough?15:55
dwangoACStskeeps: Congrats on the Nexus 4 first build!  I'm still working on getting a Nexus 4 lined up but as soon as I can do that I'll install it and give it a whirl.15:55
StskeepsdwangoAC: thanks15:55
natoriouspossible bug?  back in browser doesn't reload page from cache15:56
Thyboguys guys let's stop bothering the devs so they can actually work hehe :p15:56
dwangoACStskeeps: Would you prefer beta commentary here or #jollamobile?15:56
jussiAhoy! Welcome15:56
StskeepsdwangoAC: here15:56
dwangoACYou got it.15:56
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natoriousdidn't seen any tjc posts15:56
sledgesnatorious: known issue since jolla15:57
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flotronroot password?16:02
Stskeepsdoes anybody actually read the e-mails i send..16:02
* lbt raises his hand ...16:02
lbtoh wait ... no.16:02
tbrreading is overrated!16:02
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tbr140chars is the average attention span nowadays16:02
flotronbla bla... download16:03
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lbt"where's the blue text ... ah ... click"16:03
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Nightmare__ctrl+f "downl" :D16:04
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Sfiet_Konstantin!rtfm QString16:09
MerbotSfiet_Konstantin: Error: "rtfm" is not a valid command.16:09
qtassistantSfiet_Konstantin: QString Class | QtCore 5.2 -
Sfiet_Konstantinaah :)16:09
Sfiet_Konstantinthanks for qtassistant16:09
Sfiet_Konstantin!tell Sfiet_Konstantin rtfm QString16:09
qtassistantSfiet_Konstantin: rtfm QString16:09
Sfiet_Konstantin!tell Sfiet_Konstantin !rtfm QString16:10
qtassistantSfiet_Konstantin: !rtfm QString16:10
Sfiet_Konstantinhum ...16:10
Sfiet_Konstantin!rtfm Label16:10
MerbotSfiet_Konstantin: Error: "rtfm" is not a valid command.16:10
qtassistantSfiet_Konstantin: QLabel Class | QtWidgets 5.2 -
Sfiet_Konstantinconflicts between Merbot and qtassistant though :(16:11
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Sfiet_Konstantin!tell Sfiet_Konstantin [rtfm QString]16:12
MerbotSfiet_Konstantin: Error: "rtfm" is not a valid command.16:12
qtassistantSfiet_Konstantin: QString Class | QtCore 5.2 -
Sfiet_Konstantinsorry Stskeeps16:13
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avivbyoOkay , N4 release is pretty good for first one !16:17
Stskeepsavivbyo: happy you like it16:17
netzviehStskeeps: so when does the next one come? :D16:19
kimmolithat was fast16:20
stephgslightly serious but related question,  how do you want to do feedback?16:20
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stephgI mean where there are problems with the fully open bits we can feed back that way via github16:21
Stskeepshere at first16:21
stephgbut tracking things that are silica or jolla specific16:21
Stskeepsit's in the mail, too16:21
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stephgoh ffs ;)16:22
* stephg should read the mail16:22
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tbrstephg: btw, if you look at the OSS dump you will realize that 98% of that is either on github or on merproject git. that also should give you an idea how and where to contribute16:23
* tbr had some very ugly find |grep|grep|wc -l incantation to verify this16:24
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AlianderAnyone got it up with MultiROM? Getting stuck at Google logo. Suspecting wrong bootloader or kernel not kexec-hardboot patched.16:27
netzviehAliander: read the mail :)16:27
netzvieh* Multiboot / multirom is not supported currently16:27
sledges17:00 < sledges> Umeaboy: dualboot - it needs a study of how multiboot/multirom works and how sfos installs it - anyone's welcome to help even now ;)16:28
sledgesyet ;)16:28
AlianderOne can try and hope?16:28
Thyboone can also fail :P16:29
sledgesbetter erroneously begin, instead of flawless hesitation ;)16:29
sledges(a great German quote btw)16:29
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Thyboim off guyzzz16:32
Thybou best be working on the i9300 ;)16:32
netzviehsledges: didn't know that one :O16:32
Thybobtw why was sailfish ported to 4g galaxy s3 and not just s3?16:32
Thybos3 is more popular aint'it?16:32
StskeepsThybo: it comes down to that we didn't have it16:32
Thybothat's pure bad luck maaaaan16:33
Stskeepsit will be trivial to get s3 non-lte going16:34
Thyboand i greatly look forward to that16:34
Thyboi can lend you my s3 for test purposes if your gonna send it back with sailfish on it ^^16:35
raa70how about noteII, got one lying around16:35
Thybosee yall :)16:36
sledgesnetzvieh: after digging, apparently it's Thomas Edison's quote :D
Thyboso long for the germans '^^16:38
stephgso I've been tinkering16:39
stephgand I've noticed that when the alarm is on, and the screen is on, the power button doesn't work16:40
sledgessame for jolla ooi?16:40
stephgif the alarm is going, and the screen is off, the power button doesn't work if the screen is off16:40
stephgon the jolla obvs the alarm wakes the screen first16:41
* stephg doesn't know, sets alarm on jolla16:41
sledgesfrom what you said: power button doesn't work when phone's alarming, regardless the screen16:41
netzviehsledges: ;) well maybe it's him, maybe not :D we'll never know16:42
stephgsledges, I believe so16:42
sledgeshahah netzvieh16:42
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stephgsledges, you're right about the jolla, when the alarm goes, the power button won't blank the screen16:43
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sledgesy u no kil alarmz16:43
stephgthat's exactly what everyone in the office said ;)16:43
stephgbut yeah, the alarm on the n4 can't wake the screen it seems16:44
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sledgesis a feature on jolla ;)16:46
* sledges overslept too much thanks to the 'autopilot' function ;)16:46
* sledges of me brainz16:46
sledgesyep, alarms glitches are on the release notes16:46
netzviehhmm timer freezes the UI somehow16:48
netzviehand stands at 00:001 :D16:48
sledgesthanks, noted16:48
netzviehsame with alarm.16:49
netzviehseems to be a blanco page16:50
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sledgesnetzvieh: ah16:51
sledgesthat's the same class as alarms16:51
sledgestimer expires and then an alarm should go off16:51
netzvieh and i had to dismiss the timer 3 times16:51
netzviehit kept popping up again16:51
sledgeswill add to release notes, that timer doesn't work until alarms are fixed16:51
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sledgesnetzvieh: did timer start making a sound when expired?16:53
sledgesor stayed at 00:01 ?16:53
netzviehsledges: stayed at 00:0116:53
sledgesmy one just started the alarm ringtone fine16:53
sledgesprobably your ui was active at that time16:53
sledgesyet the rootcause remains the same16:53
netzviehwant the journal?16:53
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sledgesonce you're at it ;)16:54
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netzviehI'll just throw out the upower lines :D16:54
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sledgesyes pls :)16:58
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coderusplease help me to remind - how to generate vcard with QContact?17:10
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admiral0Stskeeps: received the mail. thanks. How many people are in the testing list?17:11
dwangoACadmiral0: I'm curious about that as well17:17
dwangoACadmiral0: Stskeeps said he's sleeping, so you won't get a direct response right away17:18
dwangoAC...I just made a gender assumption on IRC, bad form on my part17:18
Eztranif you mean the 'he', you at least assumed correctly.17:21
dwangoACEztran: Good :)17:21
dwangoACI try not to assume unless that exact person has stated their gender17:21
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dwangoACEztran: I've made the mistake of assuming gender of people in #nethack and been corrected enough times to be gunshy :)17:21
Eztransure, kinda understandable :)17:22
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dwangoACThere are all kinds of strange unwritten rules on IRC, netiquitte if you like, things like not being required to end sentences with punctuation even though it would look odd in nearly every other context17:22
dwangoACI suspect in part because the newline is its own punctuation17:23
dwangoACBut I digress17:23
admiral0dwangoAC: lol17:23
dwangoACYeah, I *really* digressed there. :)17:23
admiral0anyways, I'm on a train going home17:23
dwangoAC(And I just used a . to end a sentence, albeit followed by an emoticon...  I should really stop typing now.)17:23
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admiral0so as soon as I get there, i'll install it17:24
dwangoACadmiral0: Good luck!17:24
EztrandwangoAC: or stop worrying about how you type, could try that :)17:24
dwangoACadmiral0: I'm still trying to convince my wife to give up her Nexus 4 so I can test on it, but that will require motivating her by finding a Nexus 5.17:24
dwangoACAnyone have a Nexus 5 they will sell me for Bitcoins?17:24
dwangoACEztran: I type far too fast for my own good and can quickly get myself in trouble, and I just ate a donut and the sugar rush is apparently getting to me.17:25
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dwangoACSo far the only option I've found so far is to buy a Gyft card for Amazon (using Bitcoins) and then purchase the phone that way, but there's a huge markup.17:25
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admiral0NSA hates you17:26
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AccedwangoAC: you need to sell some random stuff for cash17:27
dwangoACadmiral0: As the President of the North Bay Linux User's Group, I can say that the feeling is mutual.17:27
dwangoACAcce: I was considering selling a pinball machine, but I don't want to let it go...17:27
Accethen buy whatever you're buying with that cash in a place without surveillance cameras17:27
admiral0lel, i was president of my lug too for a year17:27
hookeylel lel lel17:27
dwangoACAcce: Heh17:27
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hookeylel lel lel17:28
dwangoAChookey: lel?17:28
Accemau mau17:28
Eztranchannel's gone weird all of a sudden.17:28
dwangoACMust be a hook17:28
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dwangoACEztran: It's probably all my fault.17:28
dwangoACadmiral0: Yeah, I was "voluntold" into the position - I didn't particularly want to take it on, but everyone felt I would be the best person for it and voted me in before I could stop them. :)17:29
admiral0it's a bot17:29
hookeylel lel lel17:29
dwangoACMaybe so17:29
dwangoAChookey: What else do you respond to?17:29
EztranIf it's not, they're doing a good job of impersonating one.17:29
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dwangoACI never, ever type this, but...17:29
EztranIs there a reverse-Turing test?17:29
dwangoAC..hmm, no trigger on that one17:30
dwangoACEztran: Good question.17:30
Eztran'determine whether they're a bot or a person pretending to be one.17:30
dwangoACEztran: I figured that's where you were going with that question. :)17:30
olidadudehello, i cant login to jolla account on my nexus 4? can anyone help?17:31
dwangoAColidadude: Did it say that worked in the E-Mail?17:31
dwangoAColidadude: I need to re-read but I thought I saw something about it not working17:31
olidadudeok, I'll ckeck17:32
dwangoAColidadude: Found it, it reads: "* Jolla account / Store is removed from the image due to problems with registering with Jolla infrastructure."17:32
Eztranwouldn't it have been best to have checked first?17:32
olidadudesorry guyz17:32
dwangoAColidadude: It's totally OK, I had to look it up too. :)17:33
admiral0spank spank olidadude17:33
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dwangoACEztran: There were a *lot* of caveats in that E-Mail, I don't blame olidadude for mising one of them.17:33
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EztranMmm, sure. It was more the not looking after finding the problem I was commenting on.17:34
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Eztranincidentally, I think the 'list of questions asked which are answered in the email' count is 3 right now, sure it'll be higher by tomorrow :)17:35
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admiral0make a bot that counts17:36
admiral0bot: uselessquestions++17:36
EztranMaybe we could repurpose the possible lel-bot?17:36
hookeylel lel lel17:36
admiral0bot has seen 3 useless questions since 27-03-201417:36
EztranYeah, I was hoping to catch a person offguard. Definitely a bot.17:36
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* Stskeeps reads backlog17:37
Stskeepsadmiral0: quite a good interest17:37
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dwangoACStskeeps: That wasn't a very long nap17:38
Stskeepswell, it wasn't a nap, it was going with wife to baby's swimming practice.. :P17:39
dwangoACThe only thing hookey has said (as far as I have in my log) is the response lel lel lel17:39
hookeylel lel lel17:39
dwangoACOh, shut up. :)17:39
dwangoAC(not you, Stskeeps, I was talking to hookey)17:39
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dwangoACStskeeps: Fun!  Yeah, we did a lot of really early swimming with our first kid as well, less so with our second for some reason though17:39
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Stskeepswb admiral017:40
admiral0_the tethering....17:40
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admiral0_hey Stskeeps :)17:41
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admiral0guys tunnels incoming17:43
Stskeepswatch out for oncoming bright lights looking like sunshine17:43
olidadudeok, so I installed sailfish on my nex4 and it works great but to install a app I couldnt install it via terninal because i didnt know the devel-su password. so I disabled the devmode to enable it again to set a password that I know and now it sais that dev mode can only be activated if i sign in with my jolla account :)  (via the GUI in settings--> system it didnt let me eather install an app) so what can I do? :D17:43
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Stskeepsolidadude: reflash and read the email17:43
olidadudeOkey :D17:44
stephgbeginning to think you need a new instruction mechanism, we all seem to be fail at email ;)17:44
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pp_hehe, instructions for early adopters are now advertised on facebook :P17:44
Eztranalso: 4.17:44
SK_Sailfishirc for sailfishos is fun17:44
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SK_Sailfishpulley menus all around the screen17:45
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coderuswow my jolla just rebooted :D17:50
coderusdidnt touched it17:50
Stskeepswhen did you get it again?17:50
leszekcoderus: really rebooted with red light ? Or did just wayland crash (green light blinking) ? Because after 1.0.40 I also head the wayland crash twice already17:53
coderusmy pc said SDK connection deactivated and i looked at phone17:53
coderusJolla splashscreen17:53
leszekok thats a total crash then17:53
coderusi dont think it wayland/lipstick crash17:54
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coderusdidnt looked at led, sorry17:54
leszekssh keeps alive on wayland crash17:54
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leszekInteresting as I only had those total crashes with upgrading to 1.0.3 and in 1.0.4 I did not experience that17:55
olidadudeso, I've read now the email multiple times but i didnt found the Dev Mode password... Am I dumb?17:56
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Stskeeps1. Enable remote connection in Settings->System->Developer mode17:56
Stskeeps2. Set your USB interface on host machine to IP
Stskeeps3. ssh nemo@
Stskeeps4. Use the password from developer mode to log in17:56
Stskeeps5. Use the 'devel-su' command with the same password in order to gain root17:56
olidadudebut dev mode is already on?17:57
Stskeepstap remote connection?17:57
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Stskeepsmight need a 'generate'17:58
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MarksterHi, who should I ask to try Sailfish OS on my Nexus 7 2012 Wi-Fi (grouper)?18:00
Markster(to let me try Sailfish OS)18:00
StskeepsMarkster: we're first publishing nexus 4, then later samsung galaxy s iii lte, then a hardware adaptation development kit, where people can build for any device that runs cyanogenmod 10.118:01
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Stskeepsso, guys18:01
Stskeepshow irritating is the watermark?18:01
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NoGyStskeeps: around a 6 on the 1/10 annoyance scale18:02
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MarksterThank you Stskeeps :)18:03
StskeepsNoGy: excellent18:03
olidadudewatermark irritating level 8/10 for me...18:03
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Stskeeps:nod: i'll see what i can do about it for next releases18:05
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Stskeepsand ease of installation?18:08
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kkruglovhow to take a screenshot? and what can be wrong if wifi doesnt work?18:12
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jussiStskeeps: yeah, I agree with NoGy, about a 6 or 718:14
Stskeepskkruglov: n4 right?18:14
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Stskeepskkruglov: did you flash 4.2.2, then cm10.1, then sailfish?18:15
kkruglovnetwork is working, 2g, but wifi is not.18:15
jussihow do we go about getting more apps? Store isnt there of course, can we manually install?18:15
kkruglovnot fully18:15
kkruglovi flash modem of 4.2.218:15
Stskeepsthat's why then18:15
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Stskeepsconfiguration of wifi and firmware is in that image too18:15
kkruglovok, sorry18:15
kkruglovwatermark is not very annoying18:16
kkruglovdepends on wallpaper18:16
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jussiStskeeps: I take that back - normally 6 or 7, if you have a wall of text... bloody annoying18:17
natoriousmaybe move the watermark to the top or bottom18:17
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natoriousso it doesn't affect readability18:18
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natoriousor horizontal?18:18
natoriousvertical rather18:18
kkruglovis there an ability to take a screenshot?18:18
natoriousis there anything specific we should be testing for btw?18:18
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jussigood question. Stskeeps?18:19
natoriouswould be nice to have sensors for landscape, gsm voice, media playback, camera and store18:20
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antoniolatianoHi folks18:20
antoniolatianoi just flashed the alpha version of sailfish18:21
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antoniolatianoit's awesome!!!!!18:21
kkruglovyes, it is18:21
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antoniolatianoi tried to call a number18:22
natoriousantoniolatiano: howd that work out for you?18:23
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Eztranbet there was no audio. :)18:23
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ArkkisRC's not out right?18:28
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natoriousArkkis: EA1 went out this morning18:32
natoriousor afternoon, depending on where you live18:32
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ArkkisGot no mail :<18:34
ArkkisWhere did it release?18:34
sledgesArkkis: you did not provide your email ;)18:34
sledgesor it got cut off in irc msg limit18:34
sledgesi got all your details, but in email field it stands <FORGOT_TO_WRITE_IN_HIS_EMAIL> :)18:35
ArkkisOh O.o18:35
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ArkkisI waited all morning : D18:36
sledgesArkkis: got it now18:36
sledgesbut release is only for n4 for now18:36
sledgesnext one is for i930518:36
sledgesand you have i9300 right ?18:36
Arkkisoh :s18:36
Arkkisanother dang18:36
sledgesyou need to wait till community ports to i9300 after we release docs18:37
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olidadudeso, i installed it on my nex4. do you guys need to know anything, should I test something, report something or just shut up?18:39
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sledgesjust enjoy18:41
sledgesthe experience18:41
sledgesand report annoyances18:41
sledgesscratch your itch oss principles really18:41
kkruglovsometimes browser displaying old page when i loaded new (title of tab is new but picture of page is still previous site)18:42
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kkruglovthat is only thing i notice... which look like bug or smth18:43
kkruglovfor 3 hours of usage..18:43
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sledgesthanks, i spotted that on my jolla too18:45
sledgeswill check the state of the bug18:45
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antoniolatianoI'm using it for about 30 minutes18:46
antoniolatianosometimes when i pull down the menu, the application stop working18:46
sledgesantoniolatiano: which app?18:46
sledgesspotted on camera and calendar so far18:47
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olidadudethe browser makes it sometimes hard to click on links. when you reload and not zoom then it works again.18:51
antoniolatianowhere i have to put my media to be visible from gallery and multimedia?18:53
sledgesolidadude: which website? if sfw ;p18:53
sledgesi can click on links on non-mobile (zoomable) websites fine18:54
sledgesantoniolatiano: anywhere really18:54
sledgesbest bet - Pictures18:54
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olidadudeno, when zoomed.... and also on maemo18:55
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sledgesolidadude: strange, cannot reproduce18:56
sledgesjust went to talk.maemo.org18:56
sledgeszoomed in quite a bit18:56
sledgesclicked on linke '3' (go to 3rd page of thread) - fine18:56
olidadudeit is not always the case.. atm it works here too18:57
sledgeswill keep an eye on, thanks18:58
sledges(also, could be browser issue, hardware independent, so worth searching tjc for such things)18:58
sledges(but report here still ;))18:58
olidadudenow its here again ^^18:58
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sledgesany particular types of links?18:59
olidadudeon this page the download link that links to open repository18:59
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sledgesolidadude: it's a link which supposed to open in a new tab19:00
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sledgesa good measure?)19:01
sledgeswhat do you think19:01
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olidadudeo yes19:02
sledgesalso, can be tab mixup issue19:02
sledges20:42 < kkruglov> sometimes browser displaying old page when i loaded new (title of tab is new but picture of page is still previous site)19:03
sledgesolidadude: ^ ?19:03
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Guest44549Oh man, I love IRC. I identified but it's still locking me out of my nick.19:11
sledgesmaybe someone took over? :)19:12
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ValterNah, I just had to use "regain" apparently.19:12
sledgesnice and easy :))19:12
ValterSo, I got news of this fancy new OS having an early version released for the Nexus 4.19:13
ValterI wasn't signed up for anything but there's links on XDA to download the image. Would this be immoral of me?19:13
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sledges16:46 < Stskeeps> (fwiw it's better to be registered..)19:14
StskeepsValter: best to sign up with sledges so you're onboard for next emails19:14
ValterWhere do I sign up?19:14
sledgesyep, pm me your name and email19:14
ValterSure thing19:14
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sledgesand a bit about yourself so we know you19:15
sledgesi.e. devices you got, and experience19:15
ValterI'm lazy and used the freenode web chat. I'm just figuring out how to PM with it.19:15
ValterI'll just msg19:15
sledgesyep /msg19:15
Nicd-/msg == pm19:16
fzksledges: whats status for other devices than nexus? coming later?19:16
sledgesfzk: i9305 is coming19:16
fzkah, sounds promising19:17
sledgeswas it a promise?19:17
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olidadudesomewhat it was sledges19:21
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* keithzg is hoping that once the general Mer-atop-Cyanogenmod bit is entirely solid, the Nook Colour can be given a new lease on life19:25
Stskeepskeithzg: i have a nook color too19:25
Stskeepsi'm mostly afraid of mmc speed19:25
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M4rtinKStskeeps: congratulations to the #sailfishforandroid release! :)19:27
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M4rtinKStskeeps: must have been lots of work to make it happen :)19:27
keithzgYeah, fair enough, it's some pretty cheap flash storage in the Nook Colour. Still, it's kindof useless otherwise in this day and age, definitely willing to sacrifice it (if it bricks in the process, well, that's just a hero's death).19:30
fzksledges: i meant it seems nice19:31
sledgesfzk: sorry, bad pun from me (were them ever goods? :D)19:31
fzkah, irony19:31
_r_dear sledges19:34
_r_i love you19:35
sledgesi love you too19:35
_r_when i get out of work I plan on installing jolla on my nexus ;')19:35
lbtkeithzg: I too have a nook - and a local build of the kernel and CM for it ... but not spent too much time since pre-xmas ... not sure which xmas that was though,,,19:36
sledges_r_: share some love for the whole team ;)19:36
_r_insert mass hilight I love you19:36
_r_ /hi i love you all19:36
* lbt hugs everyone back :D19:37
_r_group houg19:37
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* satmd falls over19:37
sledgesohnoez we're missing our lel mascot!19:38
sledgeshookey ?19:38
hookeySorry, forgot to disable that script for this channel earlier19:38
flotronWarehouse installed :D19:39
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sledgeshookey: re-enable pls :D19:42
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sledgeslel thanks!19:42
hookeylel lel lel19:42
hookeylel lel lel19:43
hookeylel lel lel19:43
* sledges is away for a bit, laters!19:43
hookeyYou can also do hue, but don't overuse it or use me to spam19:43
hookeyhue hue hue19:43
_r_hue lel19:43
_r_lel hue19:43
hookeyhue hue hue19:43
hookeyThere's a 5-second buffer19:43
ValterWhat an incredibly useful script xD19:45
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ValterI love it, lel19:45
hookeylel lel lel19:45
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Nicd-stupid script :(19:45
hookeyThey have colours too, but this channel has +c on19:46
Nicd-thank heavens for that19:46
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olidadudeso much lel very hue19:55
hookeyhue hue hue19:55
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ismaro3USB data connection not working on Sailfish EA Release 1 on Mako19:56
ismaro3I use Linux Mint and it doesn't recognise the phone, and Sailfish says it is  in Charge mode19:56
ismaro3Can't even ssh through USB19:57
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olidadudecould install an apk but jolla accounts blocks me from using the app, any way around that?20:01
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flotronI ssh via LAN20:07
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ismaro3olidadude, android app support is not included on non-jolla devices20:08
ismaro3it seems that you need an account to download Android compatibility, but even if you create one, you can't download from jolla store20:09
olidadudewill it never come?20:09
Morpog_PCit works fine on my Jolla device ;)20:10
hookeyHow long until SailfishOS for the N9 is usable?20:10
ismaro3No, Android compatibility layer is supported only on Jolla devices because of licenses20:10
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olidadudeokey, sad.20:14
flotronis it possible to install the Jolla Store?20:14
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kkruglovwill it be possible to install jolla store in future?20:24
kkruglovmay be it will come as external installer, not with os20:25
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Stskeepskkruglov: yes, in the future20:36
Stskeepswe just had a bit of a messup that made it impossible for first release20:37
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olidadudeI cant controll cuteSpotifys volume globally only in the app, is this normal?20:37
gabmusops sorry20:38
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avivbyoWell i've been playing with sailfish for the day and it's amazing and brilliant, but due the fact there is no voice call i must leave back to android simply because thats a phone , lol. love the OS20:45
carepackafter few hours - respect. the os makes a lot of fun. nice and modern ui. works pretty well for this early stage.20:45
carepacknever went bck to android. a few days without voice calls in can live with20:45
carepackit wil b20:46
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flotroni can live without voice call too20:46
carepacke will be hard for android ubuntu etc20:46
carepackflotron: hands up20:46
Stskeepsvoice call will come pretty soon to be honest20:46
Stskeepswe need to sort out the proximity sensor a bit ; and fix a permissions issue20:46
Elleocarepack: yeah, the volume can't be controlled properly until this is fixed:
Stskeepsand that's it20:47
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carepackElleo: ?. Had i say something?20:47
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Stskeepshe probably meant olidadude :)20:48
Elleocarepack: sorry, yeah meant olidadude20:48
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Elleoolidadude: ^20:48
carepackno prob20:48
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avivbyoI really hate android UI after using sailfish20:51
carepacksomeone able to add a server in okeanos irc client?20:51
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cxl000sledges, multirom extracts boot, root etc from the android zip or a mrom file, there is a config file that specifies the locations and boot args, the kernel is kexec'd, an initrd scans /proc/cmdline and sets root etc20:52
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cxl000sledges, there is a tool at to help package mrom20:54
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Stskeepsavivbyo: just imagine how crazy you would if we had implemented double tap to wake up..20:55
avivbyoStskeeps: it's kernel related right?20:56
Stskeepsyes and no20:56
avivbyoSoftware + Kernel?20:56
Stskeepstouchscreen firmware but you can approximate it at a bit of power loss20:56
Stskeepswith kernel20:56
Stskeepsor software20:56
Stskeepsflotron: congrats on winning the bet on how quickly somebody installed warehouse..20:58
avivbyoBTW i want to contribute more, like help fixing things , got any hints?20:58
Stskeepsavivbyo: is basics atm20:58
carepackstskeeps: why was an bet about it20:59
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Stskeepscarepack: we have a lot of beer bets in jolla :)20:59
Stskeepsand some go on what people will do with certain things20:59
avivbyoaaand will jolla app store become available at some builds?21:00
carepacklol. it is as expected. what was the tip of flotron?21:00
olidadudeok, thanks Elleo21:00
Stskeepsavivbyo: it would be installed on first release if we didn't discover a major flaw in way we handled different devices..21:01
Stskeepsso, it was release, or store..21:01
Stskeepsavivbyo: besides voice calls, what's missing in order to make it your daily device, in your opinion?21:04
avivbyoGPS > NFC > BT > CAMERA21:05
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avivbyoGPS is the first thing i need21:05
kkruglovcamera at first, for photos as minimum.21:05
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kkruglovand android apps support, can't live without onenote ;/21:05
DarakianHi all, thanks for the rom. I love it :D21:06
Stskeepswhy NFC, ooi?21:06
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avivbyoStskeeps: NFC tags are helping me actually everty where21:13
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avivbyoand im planning to create an NFC based door lock21:14
avivbyoa NFC*21:14
Stskeepsit's libnfc-nxp in n4 right?21:14
Stskeeps 1879 carsten   20   0 5412036 3.357g  21596 S   0.7 43.6 949:09.80 cinnamon21:15
Stskeepswhat the f***k21:15
Stskeepsno wonder my system has been trashing like hell21:16
tigelimoar ram21:16
tigelipgrep chrom|xargs ps -o rss --pid|ruby -nae 'k||=0;puts k+=$_.to_i/1024/1024.0'|tail -n1 -> 4.40234375 (I like these light browsers)21:17
avivbyoReminds me i need to get a new PC21:17
flotronInstalling and running a lot of apps in background and no problem at the moment21:17
Stskeepsi just want sailfishos for desktop21:18
avivbyoAs a main OS?21:18
avivbyonot virtual box?21:18
flotronthe only thing annoying is the left swipe too long, not short as n921:19
Stskeepsavivbyo: yeah21:19
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avivbyoWould love to see it running21:20
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avivbyoIm eager to see it running on a bigger tablets like 10" and even bigger...21:21
Stskeepsi wish i had a exodesk with sailfishos21:22
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avivbyoIm feeling so bad for moving back to android :(21:24
Stskeepsavivbyo: i don't have any expectations of people using this as a daily device until basic usecases are met, fwiw21:25
Stskeepsif there's the slightest draw to try out again when there's an updated image, that's good enough for me21:25
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Stskeepsahoy ahoy21:26
* Stskeeps opens a cold beer to celebrate a good release today21:28
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artemmaStskeeps and all others: Congrats!21:29
* artemma is trying to open log file in the browser via Qt.openUrlExternally("file:///home/nemo/.cache/harbour-log4qtdemo/harbour-log4qtdemo.log") and gets xdg-open: no method available for opening 'file:///home/nemo/.cache/harbour-log4qtdemo/harbour-log4qtdemo.log'21:34
artemmacan't browser open any local link?21:34
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artemmathat's on device21:34
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* artemma needs an easy way to show log file to user's eyes, no good in-app UI is needed. Main point is to show that log file indeed exists and looks sort of proper21:35
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* artemma has his device screen flashing (like turning on and then on) every several seconds. It happens second time already. After update21:43
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Stskeepsartemma: yeah, reboot, a silly wakelock issue21:46
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Stskeepsnot a hw problem21:46
artemmaStskeeps: thx21:46
ejjomangood evening21:46
artemmain general after device feels quite faster. Except if I launch some 5-10 apps21:46
artemmathen UI tends to shutter still21:46
artemmabut less, then it used to21:47
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artemmahmm, /usr/bin/sailfish-browser file:///home/nemo/.cache/harbour-log4qtdemo/harbour-log4qtdemo.log works just fine in command line, but of course Qt.openUrlExternally can't open the command line21:48
artemmar-r-r, why can't it open a file URL, that browser opens without issues?21:48
artemmait looks like it just calls xdg-open and xdg-open simply fails if it can't find an app for .log even if argument is a URL21:49
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artemmaokay, I give up. Will have to call C++ for opening this url21:51
Turskiartemma: why do you think it would open a .log file with browser?21:53
coderusMitakuuluu v0.2-6
artemmaTurski: it's the other way around. I want to open it in the browser, so thinking if some URL could force Qt think it's html21:54
Nightmare__coderus, did you even eat today or just coding? :D21:54
artemmaor something that would be opened in browser exactly21:54
artemmaQt.openUrlExternally sounds to me like it should follow the Browser logic. I.e. open a special app if it exists, otherwise in a browser21:55
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Turskiartemma: url doesn't mean that it should be opened in web browser21:55
artemmadocs say otherwise though21:55
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artemmayeah, I can see it and it's sad [to me]21:56
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artemmaif I could set baseUrl somehow..21:56
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CorvusCoraxHello guys22:09
CorvusCoraxWhat does it mean to be an "Early Adopter" of Sailfish OS? I saw that in the Nexus 4 article (I'm just about to install it on my N4).22:10
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StskeepsCorvusCorax: well, until somebody got the clever idea to leak an entire mail i sent, we signed people up to be early adopters22:11
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Stskeepsie, that they got info/mail/images when things got published and the chance to work with early day  software :)22:11
CorvusCoraxThat is cool :)22:11
CorvusCoraxHow can I sign up for "Early Adoption"? :)22:12
ottuloStskeeps: well, the email does say "whenever you do screenshots, videos, forum and blog posts (and we're happy if you do!)..."22:14
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StskeepsCorvusCorax: send a message to sledges with your name/email/why/devices22:16
CorvusCoraxOk, sts. Thanks :)22:16
Stskeepsottulo: in practice i'm kinda joking, if people are excited enough about something to share it, whom am i to say it's a bad thing?22:17
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sledgesAliander: cxl000's answer was for you re multirom ;) but i noted too somewhere down todo list :) thanks cxl000 !22:22
ejjomancoderus: what does "No cell routes for %1 caused by your operator" mean? I need more context to translate it properly :)22:23
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AlianderSledges: Yeah, read it. But have to get more info about MultiROM itself - won't happen before weekend22:29
Aliandercxl000: Thx for the Infos22:29
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cxl000Aliander, There are many easy to follow install guides. It basically a modified twrp. I've tweaked to mrom builder script to also support directories produced with mic create fs22:38
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NaEaPHaving absolutely no knowledge of MultiROM's internas. Could you point me to some information - else I'd start code22:40
NaEaPArgs... Reading Code ;)22:40
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NaEaP(butterfingers on mobile)22:41
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sledgescxl000: could you blog/wiki about it maybe?22:41
sledgeswould be awesome22:41
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Aliandercxl000 : could you point me to some wiki or something for a start?22:43
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AlianderSeems to be a good start: ;)22:52
AlianderDamnit, have to leave this until friday night or saturday... Bye everyone22:54
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stephg_jbrrr is cold here23:08
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HitorijanaeOn the nexus 4, the terminal flashes white when you press backspace and there is nothing there.23:12
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sledgesHitorijanae: that's what backspace is for23:13
sledgesand flashes are the good old terminal 'bell' equivalent23:13
sledges(will flash with left/right arrow keys too)23:14
HitorijanaeI see, not used to seeing that on my terminals.23:14
sledgesHitorijanae: im sure your terminals make a sound instead ;)23:14
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HitorijanaeTypically, yes.23:15
sledgesha i just got it working23:15
sledgesby unmuting the "Beep" channel in `alsamixer` :D23:16
sledges(and typing `xset b on` in terminal if needed)23:16
HitorijanaeI used to hate having to use alsamixer on arch.23:17
sledgesarch here too :)23:17
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sledgesnow you got pulseaudio on nexus4 ;P23:17
HitorijanaeIt's weird, because I walk around with two usbs, one arch, the other mint23:18
sledgesi like pulseaudio and systemd, but i heard one stops liking those when looked into the src code ;)23:18
HitorijanaeHonestly, it's nice to get away from android for a change.23:18
HitorijanaeTo be honest, most of the nexus 4 ROMS start to become the same over time.23:18
sledges'nuf said ;)23:19
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HitorijanaeI tried to port Sailfish once, when I was first getting started.23:20
HitorijanaeAnd I didn't even understand what git was, and I refused to use any guides.23:20
jtjj222(Noob question) I'm trying to install sailfish ea using multiboot on n4 (I know it isn't supported). It works with trinity kernel on cm 10.1 (which has kexec hardboot), but the multiboot screen doesn't come up, even after I inject it.  Any ideas?23:21
sledgesjtjj222: other than reading few lines up on this channel, i can't shed you more ideas atm23:22
sledgesjust an hour before you joined ;)23:23
sledgesHitorijanae: if there's a will there's a way it seems ;) and now you got awarded, and it's just the beginning23:23
jtjj222k, thanks. I'll try it as guest with trinity to see if that was causing the hanging.23:24
HitorijanaeYep! Bout to get fun. I think sailfish is going to be the new android.23:24
sledgesfingers cross(compil)ed - world domination ;) (if you aim lower, you can get only below that ;))23:25
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jtjj222No, no. We don't need a new android. I, for one, am tired of google's anticompetitive scare tactics. It's going to be better than android :P23:26
HitorijanaeThat's true.23:26
HitorijanaeGoogle has really changed over the years.23:26
HitorijanaeThey used to be the anti-company.23:26
HitorijanaeThey used to honor their motto,23:26
Hitorijanae"Don't be evil."23:27
jtjj222I'm reading 1984. So similar.23:27
HitorijanaeNow they're replacing open source versions of apps that used to be updated with android versions with they're closed source equivalents.23:28
HitorijanaeLook at the AOSP music app, it's not even Holo yet.23:28
jtjj222closed source equivlents that funnel your personal data to google...23:28
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HitorijanaeExactly, and that require money for their service.23:30
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HitorijanaeGoogle needs a good blow to their capital to remind them of what they used to be.23:31
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HitorijanaeI'll be back23:40
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jtjj222Is there an ea of the sailfish launcher for android?23:50
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jtjj222How does the launcher take screenshots or recent apps?23:57
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