| MSameer | what are you trying to do? | 00:00 |
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| M4rtinK | and maybe also if it changes | 00:00 |
| M4rtinK | normal GPS data is noisy, old/fake might not be | 00:00 |
| coderus | i'll try to use PositionSource.SatellitePositioningMethods tomorrow and check if it will return real data faster | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK | and also those *Valid properties in Position | 00:02 |
| amccarthy | coderus: It is not currently possible with the Qt Positioning API to determine the source of the position. | 00:02 |
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| coderus | MSameer: we're trying to know when PositionSource returning real gps coordinates, not last cached ones | 00:02 |
| amccarthy | PositionSource.SatellitePositioningMethods will limit it to GPS only. You will not get a fix any faster. | 00:02 |
| amccarthy | The last known position will not have an accuracy. | 00:03 |
| coderus | amccarthy: sure, but probably i'll stop getting cached data by this method? | 00:03 |
| amccarthy | The timestamp of the cached position will also be the time that it was received. Check how far in the past it was. | 00:03 |
| coderus | amccarthy: hm, thanks. will check accuracy also | 00:04 |
| coderus | thanks :) | 00:04 |
| coderus | will test it tomorrow | 00:04 |
| coderus | sleeping time now | 00:04 |
| coderus | bye | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | amccarthy: well, the *Valid properties are seriously borked for some valus | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | amccarthy: for example for altitude it switching on/off every second | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | *it switches | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | *values | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | and horizontalAccuracy == verticalAccuracy, but that is apparently a limitation of the hardware (?!) according to: | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | https://together.jolla.com/question/16827/bug-positioning-gives-bogus-numbers-for-horizontalaccuracy-and-verticalaccuracy/ | 00:08 |
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| stephg | lo everyone | 07:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lo stephg | 07:15 |
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| TMavica | stskeeps | 07:16 |
| TMavica | here? | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:16 |
| TMavica | https://github.com/TMavica/sailfish-quick-im | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok, where does database come from | 07:18 |
| Juuba | is "mitakuuluu" in the Store? or do i need to get if from another source | 07:18 |
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| stephg | Juuba: from OpenRepos(.net) | 07:30 |
| Juuba | ty | 07:30 |
| ln- | is mitakuuluu harbour-compatible? | 07:30 |
| Juuba | why isnt | 07:30 |
| Juuba | why isn't it in the Jolla store ? | 07:30 |
| tbr | no it's not | 07:31 |
| tbr | it might be chum compatible, as it's open source now. But chum, the open source community repo is still forming. | 07:31 |
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| ArthurArtoria | Hello ~ | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | hello hello | 07:33 |
| ArthurArtoria | Mavica Here ? | 07:33 |
| * Stskeeps points to TMavica | 07:33 | |
| TMavica | yes | 07:34 |
| TMavica | stskeep u ask him la | 07:34 |
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| Stskeeps | [09:18] <Stskeeps> ok, where does database come from | 07:34 |
| TMavica | Arthur u talk to stskeeps | 07:34 |
| ArthurArtoria | @Stskeeps | 07:34 |
| Juuba | damn this warehouse-app is weird | 07:35 |
| ArthurArtoria | I use the Qt5 OfflineLocalStorage | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i saw -- it uses a database for words? | 07:35 |
| ArthurArtoria | Yes | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | where is that word database originating? | 07:36 |
| ArthurArtoria | You mean the source of it? | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:36 |
| ArthurArtoria | The quick-table is from scim | 07:36 |
| ArthurArtoria | the associated word database is provided by a developer in Hong Kong named Amanda Lam | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes, i know of amanda | 07:37 |
| ArthurArtoria | W o W She is so famous | 07:38 |
| ArthurArtoria | Have Mavica told you the problem already ? | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | hmm no | 07:38 |
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| ArthurArtoria | After installing this package, the volume of Jolla becomes not responsive to any control | 07:39 |
| ArthurArtoria | totally silence | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps an error in qml somewhere | 07:39 |
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| ArthurArtoria | Restart the phone is useless | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | check journal for errors | 07:40 |
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| ArthurArtoria | I used the Qt default debugger to check | 07:40 |
| TMavica | we just have a nice meeting with amanda | 07:40 |
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| ArthurArtoria | Since now I only have gEdit | 07:41 |
| ArthurArtoria | It is so wired that | 07:42 |
| ArthurArtoria | the quick input method works but has that bug | 07:43 |
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| Stskeeps | do you have rpm anywhere? | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | so i can check it too | 07:47 |
| ArthurArtoria | Ya I have | 07:47 |
| ArthurArtoria | But it is important to mention that | 07:47 |
| ArthurArtoria | I don't know how to build a .rpm | 07:47 |
| ArthurArtoria | I just use a tool called "alien" to convert the .deb I built into .rpm | 07:48 |
| ArthurArtoria | :( | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 07:48 |
| TMavica | LOL. | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | get sailfishos sdk, it should help | 07:48 |
| TMavica | we are newbie | 07:48 |
| ArthurArtoria | :P | 07:49 |
| ArthurArtoria | https://www.dropbox.com/s/cynj4ohziajxfev/quick-im.0.0.1.rpm | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | being a newbie is the perfect opportunity to learn ;) | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 07:49 |
| ArthurArtoria | The link is on above | 07:49 |
| TMavica | it is slow for Jolla made a new chinese input until now.. | 07:50 |
| ArthurArtoria | @Stskeeps Are you Finland people ? | 07:51 |
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| TMavica | Poland | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | no, i'm danish, living in poland, working for a finnish company | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | it's complicated. | 07:52 |
| Waitee | :D | 07:52 |
| ArthurArtoria | :D | 07:52 |
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| SK_work | morning | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 08:12 |
| tbr | moo | 08:13 |
| SK_work | tbr: I have read the meeting log and there was this issue about tokens | 08:18 |
| SK_work | maybe lbt can help too | 08:18 |
| SK_work | but can a script be integrated in the chum build script to check if a binary lib (containing the tokens) is conform | 08:18 |
| SK_work | like if it is implements an interface, and only use specific symbols etc ? | 08:19 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: location discussions last night :: "and i need to know when actual true current location really fetched" - I would like to know this too ... | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | SK_work: well, or something that would inject a key into it.. i'm sure there's some way to sort it | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | but a binary .so isn't the way ;) | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps a sailfishos service, where you can deposit api keys | 08:22 |
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| SK_work | Stskeeps: hum, why not | 08:23 |
| SK_work | there is sailfishkeyprovider already, but IIRC it just masks the keys to make them harder to retrieve | 08:23 |
| M4rtinK | well, people would be able to dump the keys one way or the other | 08:23 |
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| SK_work | M4rtinK: the best way is to patch QML files | 08:25 |
| SK_work | that's all | 08:25 |
| M4rtinK | sure, it would be quite a bit harder but on the other hand it needs to be done once | 08:25 |
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| M4rtinK | and if we are talking REST style APIs, if it ever goes over plain HTTP, the key goes in the open anyway :) | 08:26 |
| M4rtinK | oauth tokens are another thing hopefully :) | 08:26 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: it should never go over plain HTTP (if we speak about FB or Twitter) | 08:27 |
| M4rtinK | FWIW there are multiple tokens directly in the modRana source code and for the ~3-4 years so far there has been no issues | 08:27 |
| M4rtinK | *have | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | amazon scans for api keys on github.. | 08:28 |
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| M4rtinK | sure it depends on the key type | 08:29 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: really ? | 08:29 |
| SK_work | source ? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | http://developers-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/03/24/0111203/aws-urges-devs-to-scrub-secret-keys-from-github | 08:29 |
| M4rtinK | mine are just "let me use your damn search/routing API already" | 08:29 |
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| tbr | SK_work: one thing is sure, it's not going to be libraries or other things that would taint the build process. | 08:30 |
| M4rtinK | but if it has a more value, sure one should take some steps to make it harder to attackers | 08:30 |
| tbr | I'm in favor of providing people guidance how to deal with the situation though | 08:31 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand, any attacker motivated enough _will_ get the key and he only needs to do it once, at least if all packages have the same API key :) | 08:31 |
| tbr | e.g. some code examples of how you can retrieve a signed data file that will contain the api key or such | 08:31 |
| M4rtinK | tbr: +1 | 08:31 |
| SK_work | tbr: right | 08:32 |
| tbr | as Stskeeps already said, and I subscribe to this, there is no need to taint the build process | 08:32 |
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| tbr | and this is a universal problem going well beyond this case | 08:32 |
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| tbr | so avoiding to reinvent the wheel and learning from other approachs is recommended | 08:33 |
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| chriadam | we could update libsailfishkeyprovider to be actually... good. | 08:39 |
| chriadam | and allow per-application keyfile separation | 08:39 |
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| SK_work | chriadam: this would be nice | 08:42 |
| ArthurArtoria | @Stskeeps | 08:45 |
| ArthurArtoria | May I ask you some question about building a .rpm with sailfish SDK ? | 08:45 |
| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: you can ask everybody :) | 08:46 |
| ArthurArtoria | :P | 08:46 |
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| ArthurArtoria | I just know about using the default settings to make a qtquick .rpm | 08:47 |
| ArthurArtoria | How can I make a packge that can install to other location ? | 08:47 |
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| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: what do you mean "can" ? | 08:59 |
| ArthurArtoria | How should I change the default installation path of .rpm | 09:00 |
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| ArthurArtoria | TARGET = quick-im | 09:01 |
| ArthurArtoria | CONFIG += sailfishapp | 09:01 |
| ArthurArtoria | SOURCES += src/quick-im.cpp | 09:01 |
| ArthurArtoria | OTHER_FILES += qml/quick-im.qml \ | 09:01 |
| ArthurArtoria | qml/cover/CoverPage.qml \ | 09:01 |
| ArthurArtoria | qml/pages/FirstPage.qml \ | 09:01 |
| ArthurArtoria | qml/pages/SecondPage.qml \ | 09:01 |
| ArthurArtoria | rpm/quick-im.changes.in \ | 09:01 |
| ArthurArtoria | rpm/quick-im.spec \ | 09:01 |
| ArthurArtoria | rpm/quick-im.yaml \ | 09:01 |
| ArthurArtoria | translations/*.ts \ | 09:01 |
| ArthurArtoria | quick-im.desktop | 09:01 |
| SK_work | ah | 09:04 |
| SK_work | you need to not use the sailfishapp template | 09:04 |
| SK_work | but why would you do that ? | 09:04 |
| Waitee | ArthurArtoria: pastebin is a nice option to use :D | 09:05 |
| Waitee | more readable | 09:05 |
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| ArthurArtoria | @SK_work | 09:07 |
| ArthurArtoria | So When I create a new project, what should I choose ? | 09:07 |
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| ArthurArtoria | There are many options like: | 09:08 |
| ArthurArtoria | Subdirs project | 09:08 |
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| ArthurArtoria | How to make a .rpm with Sailfish SDK straight forward with my own file ? not using the QtQuick template... | 09:11 |
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| kimmoli | ArthurArtoria: I have made rpm's to install 'random' files around the phone by these instructions - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/880227/what-is-the-minimum-i-have-to-do-to-create-an-rpm-file | 09:16 |
| kimmoli | ArthurArtoria: i have build the package on the phone itself to avoid vm etc arch. hassle. | 09:16 |
| carepack | I#M not really deep in this topic but I have seen in sailfish sdk that you have the choice for building binaries or rpm | 09:18 |
| ArthurArtoria | @kimmoli I am sorry that I have no Jolla... Can it be done in Nokia N9 ? | 09:18 |
| kimmoli | N9 with sailfish? should be possible. | 09:19 |
| kimmoli | assuming your situtation is that you have files ready, and you just want to make a rpm to get them installed easily ?? | 09:19 |
| ArthurArtoria | @carecpack Yup, I want to build a .rpm that can install to other location like /home/nemo/... but not in the default qml location | 09:21 |
| carepack | ah. ok. ;) | 09:21 |
| ArthurArtoria | @kimmoli I have my package but don't know the suitable way to build | 09:22 |
| ArthurArtoria | Previously, I use ubuntu to build .deb by terminal and use an app called "alien" | 09:22 |
| ArthurArtoria | which convert .deb to .rpm | 09:22 |
| kimmoli | check the link i did send. you can do that on sailfish sdk vm too. You might need install package rpm-build iirc | 09:23 |
| ArthurArtoria | the package is usable but make the Jolla volume hanged | 09:23 |
| kimmoli | if you have the files in the package, http://stackoverflow.com/a/1165200 should be doable (even i managed to do that after 6 retries) | 09:25 |
| ArthurArtoria | @kimmoli OK, I will try first :) | 09:26 |
| ArthurArtoria | Thank You, @kimmoli & @carepack | 09:26 |
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| osaton | oneplus one seems really nice and affordable. only thing that's missing is sailfishos.. | 09:32 |
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| artemma | ArthurArtoria: INSTALLS directory in your .pro file tells where to put final files to | 10:22 |
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| artemma | ArthurArtoria: then .yaml/.spec must gather files from exactly these locations and put them to rpm | 10:22 |
| artemma | it is unfortunately a little complicated as you have to think about three different machines simultaneously: one where you edit program, a virtual one that builds stuff, the final one that will run stuff | 10:23 |
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| artemma | ArthurArtoria: diagrams here possibly can explain the whole process a bit: http://www.codingsubmarine.com/getting-started-with-sailfish-os-helloworld-pro-tampere-mar-29-2014/ | 10:24 |
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| walokra | is there a bug in sailfishos emulator in showing textswitch checked icon? I can't see them anymore on my app. | 10:35 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 10:56 |
| Waitee | hi | 10:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi Waitee | 10:56 |
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| ArthurArtoria | Hi | 11:04 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: i'm trying location right now :) | 11:28 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: ok, waiting if you find a soultion ... | 11:29 |
| kimmoli | for me, it is for Custom IM status thing... get strange addresses once a while | 11:31 |
| coderus | kimmoli: well, for me acctual coordinates ferched when position.horizontalAccuracy > 0 | 11:32 |
| kimmoli | i just check coordinates atm , dont give a f for other stuff | 11:32 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7313992/ | 11:33 |
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| kimmoli | jup | 11:37 |
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| kimmoli | i just reload my XmlListModel after positionchanged | 11:37 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: well yes its suitable for visual :) | 11:45 |
| coderus | but in my app it just "press button and send location" | 11:46 |
| coderus | without confirmation | 11:46 |
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| Waitee | apparently mitäkuuluu2 voice messages dont work seamlessly with normal whatsapp apps | 11:53 |
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| TMavica | quick im work brillant | 11:54 |
| TMavica | quick input | 11:54 |
| coderus | Waitee: you mean playing received messages? | 11:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | coderus: hi | 11:55 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: hello? | 11:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | a quick tip | 11:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | some times i miss vocal notes from some android | 11:56 |
| Waitee | coderus: i'll maybe write a bug report when i see how it plays on my friends android phone | 11:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | especially samsungs | 11:56 |
| Waitee | oh yea that also | 11:56 |
| Waitee | randomly just cant play voice notes sent from android devices | 11:56 |
| coderus | https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/issues/27 | 11:57 |
| coderus | vote to add missing codecs to sailfish | 11:57 |
| Waitee | oh it's about codecs | 11:58 |
| coderus | sure | 11:58 |
| coderus | its not about green aliens | 11:58 |
| Waitee | i thought it's about star spawns and cthulhu | 11:58 |
| coderus | not exactly | 11:59 |
| Waitee | could it be that cthulhu affects the subconcious of the devs at jolla? | 11:59 |
| coderus | its about Blackbeard and sea pirates | 11:59 |
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| coderus | https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.5-7 | 12:07 |
| ArthurArtoria | @Coderus | 12:07 |
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| coderus | @ArthurArtoria: ? | 12:09 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | coderus: my friends use voice note to send blasphemus rumors so | 12:24 |
| dr_gogeta86 | mark as low priority | 12:24 |
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| cos- | i think this needs more votes https://together.jolla.com/question/14225/add-support-to-define-for-each-app-led-patterns-and-notifications/ | 13:10 |
| cos- | currently the most annoying issue is that new e-mail causes sound if message sounds are enabled | 13:11 |
| cos- | clear notifications -> go to sleep -> wake up angry when phone detects new mail and makes noise | 13:12 |
| Waitee | :D | 13:12 |
| Waitee | you can disable email sound | 13:13 |
| cos- | can i? | 13:14 |
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| Waitee | yeah it's somewhere in the settings | 13:14 |
| cos- | oh yes, sorry.. | 13:14 |
| Yaniel | you can make an ambience that has email silenced | 13:14 |
| Yaniel | since ambience ~ profile | 13:14 |
| Waitee | settings/system/voice and feedback | 13:15 |
| cos- | i wonder what was the notification | 13:15 |
| Waitee | you cant individually disable haptic feedback on email notifications | 13:17 |
| dr_gogeta86 | guys greetz from sicily | 13:17 |
| dr_gogeta86 | where rain snow and 24 degree can coexist | 13:17 |
| Yaniel | dr_gogeta86: cool | 13:17 |
| Waitee | sounds like finland | 13:17 |
| cos- | dr_gogeta86: in finland there is lovely sunshine and 7 degrees cold | 13:18 |
| cos- | i think yesterday it was 17 | 13:18 |
| Yaniel | it was very warm yesterday | 13:18 |
| Yaniel | meh you can't disable vibration per ambience :( | 13:19 |
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| cos- | i still think the sounds and feedback settings could be more fine grained | 13:20 |
| cos- | without losing usability | 13:20 |
| Yaniel | +1 | 13:20 |
| SK_work | strange, I was thinking about this | 13:20 |
| SK_work | (in the metro to work) | 13:20 |
| SK_work | today | 13:20 |
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| cos- | chriadam|away: did you find the cause for "fb events being way too long"-bug yet? do you need help debugging? | 13:24 |
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| SK_work | cos-: what's that ? | 13:26 |
| cos- | SK_work: some single day fb events are shown as spanning for several weeks or so | 13:27 |
| SK_work | cos-: tried removing the FB account and resync it ? | 13:28 |
| SK_work | (readding it ?) | 13:28 |
| cos- | yep i think i resynced it earlier. but that wouldn't fix the issue anyway | 13:29 |
| SK_work | strange | 13:29 |
| SK_work | because IIRC, this was a bug in SF 1.0.0.X | 13:29 |
| SK_work | because end date was not set | 13:29 |
| SK_work | so the event lasted for some month | 13:29 |
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| cos- | ok i got it working now. i had to disable and re-enable fb sync. | 13:35 |
| cos- | looks like i'm running out of things to whine about in sailfish :-) | 13:38 |
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| Mozgnr | Hi devs. How about the rom for i9300 ? | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | i9305, :P | 14:09 |
| Mozgnr | I know there is a rom for 9305 but waiting for i9300 :/ | 14:10 |
| kimmoli | rom sounds so.. sinclair | 14:10 |
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| tbr | have some ROMs | 14:11 |
| kimmoli | 27c512 in cerdip-32 ? | 14:11 |
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| mozguner | hi again.i was on my mobile now on pc. any developer working on i9300 ? | 14:12 |
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| laehtis | i9300 has very different internals than i9305. i9300 has Exynos chipset and CM has probelms with that, for example graphical glitches, camera problems, driver problems.. | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | i9305 has too, fwiw | 14:15 |
| laehtis | though I would too like to see i9300 support, if I got the time it would be nice to hack with that. I have two i9300 in the closet to tinker with | 14:15 |
| mozguner | I know that... And CM still has no stable version for i9300 | 14:15 |
| cos- | i think i have a 9300i somewhere but sailfish would be pretty slow on it | 14:16 |
| tbr | cos-: vgrade got it working on the first nexus, your argument is void. ;) | 14:16 |
| laehtis | cos: why? it has pretty decent HW | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | ChipsetExynos 4412 Quad | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | CPUQuad-core 1.4 GHz Cortex-A9 | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | for i9305 | 14:17 |
| laehtis | sorry, my bad Stskeeps | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | ChipsetExynos 4412 Quad | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | CPUQuad-core 1.4 GHz Cortex-A9 for i9300 | 14:17 |
| laehtis | just checked it too | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | it runs pretty nicely really | 14:17 |
| mozguner | Carsten Munk has a galaxy s3 installed sailfish os on twitter.but nobody knows its i9300 or not :) | 14:17 |
| tbr | mozguner: carsten == Stskeeps | 14:18 |
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| mozguner | oh nice to meet you :) | 14:18 |
| fk_lx | hehe | 14:18 |
| laehtis | hmmm... porting from i9305 to i9300 wouldn't be so hard. Though 9305 has 2gb ram while 9300 1gb | 14:18 |
| laehtis | I could definitely be beta tester with 9300 and help work porting | 14:18 |
| mozguner | idk it would be hard or not but lte can be a problem | 14:19 |
| laehtis | *with | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | mozguner: is i9305 | 14:19 |
| laehtis | mozguner: you mean that 9305 has lte and 9300 doesn't? | 14:19 |
| mozguner | i know that it does not have lte and 9305 has lte | 14:20 |
| mozguner | i have i9300 and it doesnt have lte cus in Turkey there is no lte connection.I dont know when we go out from cave :D | 14:21 |
| laehtis | mozguner: yes I knew you did but what did you mean by saying that lte could be a problem? :) | 14:21 |
| fzk | so you are the carsten sending me those funny emails! | 14:21 |
| fzk | ha | 14:21 |
| laehtis | OT 24mbps 3G has been good for me, no need LTE | 14:22 |
| mozguner | i heard about lte could be problem cus devices which have lte have different hardware and chipset. | 14:22 |
| laehtis | mozguner: yeah, definitely. but it isn't impossible | 14:23 |
| laehtis | I'm newbie what it comes to porting, but if somebody is with me, we could start working the port | 14:23 |
| mozguner | CM always release roms for international i9300 first. | 14:24 |
| laehtis | yes and they're not so unstable IMO | 14:24 |
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| mozguner | but it depends on which devices devs have | 14:24 |
| laehtis | but if we make a port? | 14:25 |
| laehtis | devs build to 9305 | 14:25 |
| laehtis | we port it to 9300 | 14:25 |
| mozguner | im not a porting guy :D im a tester | 14:25 |
| mozguner | im testing Cm11 since first nighlty | 14:26 |
| mozguner | and i forgot the date of first nightly :) | 14:26 |
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| netzvieh | laehtis: well there will be the HADK (haddock ;)) to make porting easier/possible | 14:28 |
| laehtis | nezvieh: good 'ol haddock!! that damn seafarer saves us | 14:30 |
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| laehtis | looking forward | 14:30 |
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| mozguner | anyways ,good luck guys.ı hope you would do better than Ubuntu :) | 14:34 |
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| cos- | laehtis: i don't know what are the exact hw specs, but i don't think it would run sailfish http://www.fonearena.com/nokia-9300i_328.html | 14:54 |
| laehtis | cos: sorry there must have been misunderstanding, I meant samsung S3 i9300 | 14:56 |
| laehtis | I musnt have been dropping the first letter off | 14:57 |
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| meegobit | Hi everyone, I'm trying to build a user service that watches for changes in a directory, so I have a question, are systemd user services available in 1.0.5.16? And a cascading question: is this the best solution to my problem? | 15:09 |
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| netzvieh | meegobit: the question is, is watching for changes in a dir the best solution for your problem ;) | 15:19 |
| meegobit | netzvieh: well, It it the conclusion I got to, maybe you have a different solution, let me tell you my requirements: I have to create a way to launch the android apk installer when one apk is finished downloading from the browser | 15:22 |
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| netzvieh | meegobit: so user goes to $website, downloads $apk and it should be installed automagically? and do you want to download it from another app or is that an app to automagically install downloaded apks? | 15:25 |
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| netzvieh | also I'm not sure if the browser could send a message via dbus, when the download is finished. veskuh probably knows something about that? But I think there should be better ways than watching an directory, since it's rather event based | 15:30 |
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| meegobit | netzvieh: that's it, the app is Aptoide fame, which it deals with the install process of apps available in the configures stores, the trouble arises, when it has to search the aptoide.com website, to later install. When on native Android, a user selects the app in the website, presses the install button, and a special xml file with .myapp extension is returned, which on Android launches an Intent which is caught by Aptoide, to be installed. | 15:33 |
| meegobit | However, on Jolla the website is opened on the sailfish native browser, which when it downloads the myapp, does nothing else. And I need it to read the apk link within and launch the installer | 15:33 |
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| meegobit | So I unintentionally mislead you before, it's not an .apk download, but a .myapp download (which is xml, and contains the apk link within) | 15:37 |
| meegobit | sorry :) | 15:37 |
| netzvieh | well a download is a download ;) | 15:37 |
| netzvieh | couldn't you just download it from inside the app wit hc++/qt foo or use something like curl/wget instead of opening a link? or do you want to enhance the aptoide android app? | 15:39 |
| netzvieh | or do you want to install it when the user is browsing the website in the browser? | 15:40 |
| netzvieh | for the latter you need a event created by the browser I think | 15:40 |
| meegobit | the thing is, It can be fixed within Android, if the app install is started within Aptoide, the problem is that if the user opens the website aptoide.com by himself, selects an app, and presses install, unless I fix this, it just won't work, because nothing will happen | 15:41 |
| meegobit | what you suggest is changing the browser to launch a dbus signal, and have an app registered on dbus that starts by dbus on signal? | 15:44 |
| netzvieh | browser sends signal via dbus -> app looks if its a .myapp file and then starts the installation. though an app not only for aptoide but for all files would be nice, so that you can choose what to do for "each" file format | 15:47 |
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| netzvieh | e.g. downloading an .tgz leads to it being extracted into the Downloads folder | 15:48 |
| netzvieh | or an .mp3 opens the media player, stuff like that | 15:48 |
| netzvieh | because with watching the folder, you'd have to do that every second or you'd have considerable delay, and I'm not sure how bad that'd be for the phones uptime | 15:50 |
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| meegobit | that would be nice, and I think it should be implemented by means of mime-types | 16:16 |
| meegobit | the thing is I'm required to implement an immediate solution | 16:17 |
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| meegobit | I was thinking of using QFileWatcher, which I believe uses inotify, which is event based, and not poll based, so not that resource hungry | 16:18 |
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| cos- | does anyone else experience random blackouts with jolla? | 17:06 |
| cos- | perhaps once per week, while using the device | 17:06 |
| Yaniel | blackouts? | 17:07 |
| Yaniel | as in shutdowns? | 17:07 |
| cos- | screen goes black and does not respoid to anything including power button | 17:07 |
| Yaniel | sounds like lipstick crashes | 17:08 |
| Yaniel | does the indicator led flash red? | 17:08 |
| cos- | no | 17:08 |
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| cos- | i'll try to ping the device next time it happens if possible to see if kernel is alive | 17:10 |
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| Nightmare__ | cos-: experiencing the same problem, it just goes black and i have to remove the battery | 17:23 |
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| cos- | Nightmare__: ok. sounds like sw issue | 17:35 |
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| FireFly | cos-: I've had something similar, yeah | 18:00 |
| FireFly | I've been meaning to mention it here or on together, but I've been a bit busy and it's infrequent enough | 18:00 |
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| cos- | can any sailor comment what's the status of the issue? have you caught it yet? | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | cos-: it's a new one to me | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | a bit unclear if device is dead or not | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | does holding down power button kill device with red led? | 18:16 |
| cos- | no | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | nor turn it on, either | 18:17 |
| cos- | no, nothing | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | check /var/log/systemboot.log next time around and see if there's anything interesting | 18:17 |
| cos- | is it still there after rebooting? | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | should be | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | how about battery levels before it happens? | 18:18 |
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| cos- | quite high - it's now at 70% | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 18:19 |
| cos- | i should have the log file in place now.. i'll try to see if it has anything interesting | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | only happens during sleep? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | as in, device sleeping | 18:22 |
| cos- | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=URdCbYfE | 18:23 |
| cos- | for me it has always happened while using the device | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 18:24 |
| FireFly | I haven't seen any red LED | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | as in, it just goes blank? | 18:24 |
| cos- | once when starting a call, and today when using calendar | 18:24 |
| cos- | yes | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | cos-: you're in helsinki? | 18:24 |
| cos- | Tampere | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, even better | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | happens often? | 18:25 |
| cos- | no.. i'd say 1-2 times per week | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:25 |
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| Stskeeps | so, case is that it shuts down, while using, but it doesn't allow you to turn it back on | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | until you pull battery..? | 18:26 |
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| cos- | yes. and i don't think it's a clean shutdown as there is no splash screen or anything. | 18:26 |
| cos- | yep. | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | Sage-: ^ | 18:26 |
| FireFly | Not teh same problem as for me, then | 18:26 |
| FireFly | the* | 18:26 |
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| cos- | i haven't been at home or work when it has happened so i couldn't check if it responds to ping or ssh | 18:27 |
| FireFly | I've had spontaneous reboots, similar to those that were rather frequent pre-whatever-the-update-was (the "1.0" one) | 18:27 |
| FireFly | except way less frequent (maybe once a week or less) | 18:27 |
| cos- | FireFly: me too, but these are different | 18:27 |
| vgrade | evening all | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | evening vgrade | 18:29 |
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| laehtis | how's your sailing weather today? | 18:45 |
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| Nightmare__ | Stskeeps: i have the same issue like cos-, after reconnecting the battery it starts by itself | 18:46 |
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| vgrade | laehtis: plain sailing | 18:51 |
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| laehtis | vgrade: no storms? | 18:59 |
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| vgrade | oneplus looks a good sailfish android target for US | 19:24 |
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| laehtis | oneplus os great, good price, look and price | 19:25 |
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| chem|st | vgrade: that is exactly what I thought... why is there no sailfish on it? | 19:37 |
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| laehtis | hopefully it gets good OEM support, I mean drivers etc. | 19:47 |
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| Sage- | cos-: hmmp. that is hard to say what it can be if you don't have way to reproduce it reliably. The systemboot.log doesn't reveal anything really in this case. | 20:10 |
| Sage- | cos-: did the network also drop when this happens? | 20:11 |
| cos- | yep, sounds like pain to debug | 20:11 |
| cos- | i don't know about network. i'll try to ping the device next time if possible. | 20:12 |
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| Sage- | any randomness is pain to debug :/ | 20:14 |
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| cos- | random crashes occuring very seldom.. all programmers love those | 20:19 |
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| cos- | is there anything else to do if the issue happens again, except checking network status? | 20:38 |
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| coderus | where is led color patterns located? | 20:50 |
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| coderus | /etc/mce | 20:58 |
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| coderus | cool | 21:03 |
| coderus | i can create my own pattern and associate it with feedbacks and notifications | 21:04 |
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| coderus | can anyone explain about ngfd? | 21:20 |
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| special | *n*on *g*raphical *f*eedback | 21:21 |
| special | anything else you want to know? :p | 21:21 |
| artemma | amazingly neither in javaScript nor in Qt I cannot find an easy way to display just hours and minutes in a locale-dependent way | 21:22 |
| artemma | that is without moment.js | 21:22 |
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| artemma | all the standard ways either spit out seconds or need you to specify current locale/format somehow | 21:23 |
| coderus | special: yup | 21:24 |
| coderus | but i'm reading sources now | 21:24 |
| coderus | i'll ask more later, if needed | 21:24 |
| valdur55 | Can i port sailfish to goclever tab r140 ? | 21:26 |
| coderus | special: cant find how sound.profile = im.alert.tone => sound.filename is parsed | 21:27 |
| special | mm, that one is outside my experience | 21:28 |
| special | if you end up stuck jusa_ may be able to help | 21:28 |
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| manqeloque | hey. i'd like to customize the tethering feature of sailfish os. are the full sources for that available? | 21:31 |
| coderus | jusa_: ping | 21:38 |
| coderus | :D | 21:38 |
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| manqeloque | so he's the guy to bug? :-) | 21:44 |
| special | there are a lot of guys to bug, depending on what you're bugging about | 21:45 |
| special | manqeloque: the answer to your question is most likely: the middleware parts are open, but the UI is not | 21:46 |
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| special | I don't know specifically where tethering is implemented, other than that it involves connman | 21:46 |
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| manqeloque | i've understood that the tethering-feature has been around for some time already, but it was only lacking an official gui | 21:48 |
| manqeloque | and that it can be enabled by sending a dbus message to somewhere. so what i'd like to know is a small overview of the process. | 21:49 |
| Turski | i believe it is implemented in connman | 21:49 |
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| manqeloque | okay | 21:50 |
| Turski | http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git | 21:50 |
| manqeloque | oo thank you <3 | 21:51 |
| Turski | just google ;) | 21:51 |
| manqeloque | i did' | 21:52 |
| manqeloque | ..i didn't have any idea that jolla actually uses a vanilla connman | 21:52 |
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| Turski | meegobit: i'm not 100% sure of that too | 21:53 |
| Turski | tabfail, manqeloque | 21:53 |
| Turski | manqeloque: how about that? http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/connman.git;a=summary | 21:53 |
| tigeli | manqeloque: it's not vanilla.. | 21:55 |
| tigeli | what we use | 21:55 |
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| Turski | tigeli: btw, why not? | 21:55 |
| manqeloque | is it the one from mer-core then? | 21:55 |
| tigeli | https://github.com/mer-packages/connman | 21:56 |
| tigeli | that one | 21:56 |
| tigeli | Turski: well, as we are not the maintainers of the connman.. it would seem that not all our patches are getting in to connman | 21:57 |
| manqeloque | thanks | 21:57 |
| tigeli | to be honest.. not a single one has made it there yet :D | 21:57 |
| Turski | tigeli: so there' | 21:58 |
| manqeloque | i used jolla tethered wife for a week (with macbook + linux vbox + n9 connected into it) and only had to restart the tethering 2 times :-) | 21:58 |
| Turski | tigeli: so there's some custom stuff that won't get to mainstream? | 21:58 |
| manqeloque | and didn't even have to reboot the phone. quite an improvement over joikuspot :P | 21:58 |
| lpotter | manqeloque: \0/ yay! | 21:59 |
| Turski | i've never used joikuspot, was it bad then? :P | 21:59 |
| tigeli | Turski: I don't see a reason why they would not get into upstream.. | 21:59 |
| tigeli | Turski: but it purely depends on connman maintainers | 21:59 |
| lpotter | manqeloque: connman in sailfishos is not vanilla | 21:59 |
| Turski | tigeli: i'm just wondering why aren't you committing to mainstream then | 21:59 |
| Turski | not really my problem, but just asking | 22:00 |
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| tigeli | Turski: well we have sent patches already to connman maillist | 22:00 |
| lpotter | Turski: we do when we think there's a chance they would take the patch | 22:00 |
| Turski | tigeli: ok, good :) | 22:00 |
| manqeloque | Turski, well N9 joikuspot is. often it just refuses to transfer anything and you'll have to reboot the phone | 22:00 |
| Turski | lpotter: ok, this satisfies me | 22:00 |
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| tigeli | Turski: eg. https://lists.connman.net/pipermail/connman/2014-April/017033.html | 22:01 |
| manqeloque | jolla's tethering is good, but i'd like to see if i can modify it to always give same ip addresses for certain MAC's | 22:01 |
| tigeli | lpotter: it's been bit of radio silence after I resent the patches :D | 22:02 |
| lpotter | tigeli: ya. normal for connman... | 22:02 |
| tigeli | other than jukkar calling "android-way" a ugly hack :D | 22:02 |
| tigeli | an | 22:02 |
| lpotter | but then again, there has been no commits to their repo since 1.23 | 22:02 |
| tigeli | yeah.. | 22:03 |
| tigeli | maybe they are working on private repo :D | 22:03 |
| lpotter | I havent checked tizen's connman repo lately | 22:07 |
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| coderus | found it | 22:10 |
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| Turski | manqeloque: you should probably look there https://github.com/mer-packages/connman/blob/master/connman/gdhcp/server.c | 22:12 |
| manqeloque | hmm. the dbus interface to enable tethering is just SetProperty Tethering=true :-) | 22:12 |
| coderus | i have custom colored notifications now :))) | 22:13 |
| coderus | big hacking day tomorrow | 22:13 |
| coderus | but time to sleep now | 22:13 |
| coderus | cya | 22:13 |
| manqeloque | Turski,i think i'll have to find out more about the overall mechanism first | 22:18 |
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| lpotter | manqeloque: why do you need a static IP for tethering? | 22:31 |
| lpotter | tigeli: actually, we have one patch that made it to connman. the wep one. | 22:33 |
| tigeli | lpotter: oh. :) | 22:35 |
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| manqeloque | lpotter, it would be nice if my devices would always have same addresses | 22:39 |
| lpotter | why? you cannot ssh into it when it's being tethered | 22:40 |
| manqeloque | like i spent last 6 days in a house without wifi, so i had to use jolla. i had 3 devices connected and i had to ssh into them but it was pretty hard because ip addresses were always random | 22:41 |
| lpotter | ahh .. on the other end | 22:41 |
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| manqeloque | some name service would also do | 22:45 |
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| manqeloque | but usually it's more reliable if the dhcpd just supplies ip addresses based on the mac | 22:46 |
| manqeloque | lpotter, btw, what do you mean i can't ssh into the phone when it's tethering? | 22:46 |
| lpotter | when the wifi technology is tether enabled, it's in bridged mode | 22:47 |
| lpotter | not sure it's even possible. tigelli might know | 22:48 |
| manqeloque | just tried that, and it seems that i can log into it | 22:49 |
| manqeloque | (phone is sharing mobile network via wifi. phone address is 192.168.7.1 and i can ssh into it from 192.168.7.2) | 22:49 |
| lpotter | hmm. ok. when I tried it, it wasn't working.. | 22:51 |
| manqeloque | maybe there's some condition preventing it. dunno | 22:56 |
| lpotter | I must have been messed up by differing subnet :) | 22:56 |
| manqeloque | i have logged into a tethering N9 many times as well | 22:57 |
| manqeloque | mm. it's odd that the DHCP server is embedded into the connman. I wonder why it doesn't use some external dhcpd | 22:59 |
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