Wednesday, 2014-04-23

MSameerwhat are you trying to do?00:00
M4rtinKand maybe also if it changes00:00
M4rtinKnormal GPS data is noisy, old/fake might not be00:00
coderusi'll try to use PositionSource.SatellitePositioningMethods tomorrow and check if it will return real data faster00:02
M4rtinKand also those *Valid properties in Position00:02
amccarthycoderus: It is not currently possible with the Qt Positioning API to determine the source of the position.00:02
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coderusMSameer: we're trying to know when PositionSource returning real gps coordinates, not last cached ones00:02
amccarthy PositionSource.SatellitePositioningMethods will limit it to GPS only. You will not get a fix any faster.00:02
amccarthyThe last known position will not have an accuracy.00:03
coderusamccarthy: sure, but probably i'll stop getting cached data by this method?00:03
amccarthyThe timestamp of the cached position will also be the time that it was received. Check how far in the past it was.00:03
coderusamccarthy: hm, thanks. will check accuracy also00:04
coderusthanks :)00:04
coderuswill test it tomorrow00:04
coderussleeping time now00:04
M4rtinKamccarthy: well, the *Valid properties are seriously borked for some valus00:04
M4rtinKamccarthy: for example for altitude it switching on/off every second00:05
M4rtinK*it switches00:05
M4rtinKand horizontalAccuracy == verticalAccuracy, but that is apparently a limitation of the hardware (?!) according to:00:08
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stephglo everyone07:14
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Stskeepslo stephg07:15
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Stskeepsok, where does database come from07:18
Juubais "mitakuuluu" in the Store? or do i need to get if from another source07:18
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stephgJuuba: from OpenRepos(.net)07:30
ln-is mitakuuluu harbour-compatible?07:30
Juubawhy isnt07:30
Juubawhy isn't it in the Jolla store ?07:30
tbrno it's not07:31
tbrit might be chum compatible, as it's open source now. But chum, the open source community repo is still forming.07:31
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ArthurArtoriaHello ~07:33
Stskeepshello hello07:33
ArthurArtoriaMavica Here ?07:33
* Stskeeps points to TMavica 07:33
TMavicastskeep u ask him la07:34
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Stskeeps[09:18] <Stskeeps> ok, where does database come from07:34
TMavicaArthur u talk to stskeeps07:34
Juubadamn this warehouse-app is weird07:35
ArthurArtoriaI use the Qt5 OfflineLocalStorage07:35
Stskeepsyes, i saw -- it uses a database for words?07:35
Stskeepswhere is that word database originating?07:36
ArthurArtoriaYou mean the source of it?07:36
ArthurArtoriaThe quick-table is from scim07:36
ArthurArtoriathe associated word database is provided by a developer in Hong Kong named Amanda Lam07:37
Stskeepsah, yes, i know of amanda07:37
ArthurArtoriaW o W She is so famous07:38
ArthurArtoriaHave Mavica told you the problem already ?07:38
Stskeepshmm no07:38
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ArthurArtoriaAfter installing this package, the volume of Jolla becomes not responsive to any control07:39
ArthurArtoriatotally silence07:39
Stskeepsperhaps an error in qml somewhere07:39
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ArthurArtoriaRestart the phone is useless07:40
Stskeepscheck journal for errors07:40
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ArthurArtoriaI used the Qt default debugger to check07:40
TMavicawe just have a nice meeting with amanda07:40
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ArthurArtoriaSince now I only have gEdit07:41
ArthurArtoriaIt is so wired that07:42
ArthurArtoriathe quick input method works but has that bug07:43
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Stskeepsdo you have rpm anywhere?07:47
Stskeepsso i can check it too07:47
ArthurArtoriaYa I have07:47
ArthurArtoriaBut it is important to mention that07:47
ArthurArtoriaI don't know how to build a .rpm07:47
ArthurArtoriaI just use a tool called "alien" to convert the .deb I built into .rpm07:48
Stskeepsget sailfishos sdk, it should help07:48
TMavicawe are newbie07:48
Stskeepsbeing a newbie is the perfect opportunity to learn ;)07:49
ArthurArtoriaThe link is on above07:49
TMavicait is slow for Jolla made a new chinese input until now..07:50
ArthurArtoria@Stskeeps Are you Finland people ?07:51
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Stskeepsno, i'm danish, living in poland, working for a finnish company07:52
Stskeepsit's complicated.07:52
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SK_worktbr: I have read the meeting log and there was this issue about tokens08:18
SK_workmaybe lbt can help too08:18
SK_workbut can a script be integrated in the chum build script to check if a binary lib (containing the tokens) is conform08:18
SK_worklike if it is implements an interface, and only use specific symbols etc ?08:19
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kimmolicoderus: location discussions last night :: "and i need to know when actual true current location really fetched" - I would like to know this too ...08:20
StskeepsSK_work: well, or something that would inject a key into it.. i'm sure there's some way to sort it08:21
Stskeepsbut a binary .so isn't the way ;)08:22
Stskeepsperhaps a sailfishos service, where you can deposit api keys08:22
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SK_workStskeeps: hum, why not08:23
SK_workthere is sailfishkeyprovider already, but IIRC it just masks the keys to make them harder to retrieve08:23
M4rtinKwell, people would be able to dump the keys one way or the other08:23
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SK_workM4rtinK: the best way is to patch QML files08:25
SK_workthat's all08:25
M4rtinKsure, it would be quite a bit harder but on the other hand it needs to be done once08:25
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M4rtinKand if we are talking REST style APIs, if it ever goes over plain HTTP, the key goes in the open anyway :)08:26
M4rtinKoauth tokens are another thing hopefully :)08:26
SK_workM4rtinK: it should never go over plain HTTP (if we speak about FB or Twitter)08:27
M4rtinKFWIW there are multiple tokens directly in the modRana source code and for the ~3-4 years so far there has been no issues08:27
Stskeepsamazon scans for api keys on github..08:28
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M4rtinKsure it depends on the key type08:29
SK_workStskeeps: really ?08:29
SK_worksource ?08:29
M4rtinKmine are just "let me use your damn search/routing API already"08:29
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tbrSK_work: one thing is sure, it's not going to be libraries or other things that would taint the build process.08:30
M4rtinKbut if it has a more value, sure one should take some steps to make it harder to attackers08:30
tbrI'm in favor of providing people guidance how to deal with the situation though08:31
M4rtinKon the other hand, any attacker motivated enough _will_ get the key and he only needs to do it once, at least if all packages have the same API key :)08:31
tbre.g. some code examples of how you can retrieve a signed data file that will contain the api key or such08:31
M4rtinKtbr: +108:31
SK_worktbr: right08:32
tbras Stskeeps already said, and I subscribe to this, there is no need to taint the build process08:32
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tbrand this is a universal problem going well beyond this case08:32
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tbrso avoiding to reinvent the wheel and learning from other approachs is recommended08:33
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chriadamwe could update libsailfishkeyprovider to be actually... good.08:39
chriadamand allow per-application keyfile separation08:39
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SK_workchriadam: this would be nice08:42
ArthurArtoriaMay I ask you some question about building a .rpm with sailfish SDK ?08:45
SK_workArthurArtoria: you can ask everybody :)08:46
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ArthurArtoriaI just know about using the default settings to make a qtquick .rpm08:47
ArthurArtoriaHow can I make a packge that can install to other location ?08:47
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SK_workArthurArtoria: what do you mean "can" ?08:59
ArthurArtoriaHow should I change the default installation path of .rpm09:00
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ArthurArtoriaTARGET = quick-im09:01
ArthurArtoriaCONFIG += sailfishapp09:01
ArthurArtoriaSOURCES += src/quick-im.cpp09:01
ArthurArtoriaOTHER_FILES += qml/quick-im.qml \09:01
ArthurArtoria    qml/cover/CoverPage.qml \09:01
ArthurArtoria    qml/pages/FirstPage.qml \09:01
ArthurArtoria    qml/pages/SecondPage.qml \09:01
ArthurArtoria    rpm/ \09:01
ArthurArtoria    rpm/quick-im.spec \09:01
ArthurArtoria    rpm/quick-im.yaml \09:01
ArthurArtoria    translations/*.ts \09:01
ArthurArtoria    quick-im.desktop09:01
SK_workyou need to not use the sailfishapp template09:04
SK_workbut why would you do that ?09:04
WaiteeArthurArtoria: pastebin is a nice option to use :D09:05
Waiteemore readable09:05
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ArthurArtoriaSo When I create a new project, what should I choose ?09:07
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ArthurArtoriaThere are many options like:09:08
ArthurArtoriaSubdirs project09:08
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ArthurArtoriaHow to make a .rpm with Sailfish SDK straight forward with my own file ? not using the QtQuick template...09:11
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kimmoliArthurArtoria: I have made rpm's to install 'random' files around the phone by these instructions -
kimmoliArthurArtoria: i have build the package on the phone itself to avoid vm etc arch. hassle.09:16
carepackI#M not really deep in this topic but I have seen in sailfish sdk that you have the choice for building binaries or rpm09:18
ArthurArtoria@kimmoli I am sorry that I have no Jolla... Can it be done in Nokia N9 ?09:18
kimmoliN9 with sailfish? should be possible.09:19
kimmoliassuming your situtation is that you have files ready, and you just want to make a rpm to get them installed easily ??09:19
ArthurArtoria@carecpack Yup, I want to build a .rpm that can install to other location like /home/nemo/... but not in the default qml location09:21
carepackah. ok. ;)09:21
ArthurArtoria@kimmoli I have my package but don't know the suitable way to build09:22
ArthurArtoriaPreviously, I use ubuntu to build .deb by terminal and use an app called "alien"09:22
ArthurArtoriawhich convert .deb to .rpm09:22
kimmolicheck the link i did send. you can do that on sailfish sdk vm too. You might need install package rpm-build iirc09:23
ArthurArtoriathe package is usable but make the Jolla volume hanged09:23
kimmoliif you have the files in the package, should be doable (even i managed to do that after 6 retries)09:25
ArthurArtoria@kimmoli OK, I will try first :)09:26
ArthurArtoriaThank You, @kimmoli & @carepack09:26
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osatononeplus one seems really nice and affordable. only thing that's missing is sailfishos..09:32
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artemmaArthurArtoria: INSTALLS directory in your .pro file tells where to put final files to10:22
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artemmaArthurArtoria: then .yaml/.spec must gather files from exactly these locations and put them to rpm10:22
artemmait is unfortunately a little complicated as you have to think about three different machines simultaneously: one where you edit program, a virtual one that builds stuff, the final one that will run stuff10:23
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artemmaArthurArtoria: diagrams here possibly can explain the whole process a bit:
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walokrais there a bug in sailfishos emulator in showing textswitch checked icon? I can't see them anymore on my app.10:35
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dr_gogeta86hi guys10:56
dr_gogeta86hi Waitee10:56
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coderuskimmoli: i'm trying location right now :)11:28
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kimmolicoderus: ok, waiting if you find a soultion ...11:29
kimmolifor me, it is for Custom IM status thing... get strange addresses once a while11:31
coderuskimmoli: well, for me acctual coordinates ferched when position.horizontalAccuracy > 011:32
kimmolii just check coordinates atm , dont give a f for other stuff11:32
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kimmolii just reload my XmlListModel after positionchanged11:37
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coderuskimmoli: well yes its suitable for visual :)11:45
coderusbut in my app it just "press button and send location"11:46
coderuswithout confirmation11:46
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Waiteeapparently mitäkuuluu2 voice messages dont work seamlessly with normal whatsapp apps11:53
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TMavicaquick im work brillant11:54
TMavicaquick input11:54
coderusWaitee: you mean playing received messages?11:55
dr_gogeta86coderus: hi11:55
coderusdr_gogeta86: hello?11:55
dr_gogeta86a quick tip11:55
dr_gogeta86some times i miss vocal notes from some android11:56
Waiteecoderus: i'll maybe write a bug report when i see how it plays on my friends android phone11:56
dr_gogeta86especially samsungs11:56
Waiteeoh yea that also11:56
Waiteerandomly just cant play voice notes sent from android devices11:56
coderusvote to add missing codecs to sailfish11:57
Waiteeoh it's about codecs11:58
coderusits not about green aliens11:58
Waiteei thought it's about star spawns and cthulhu11:58
coderusnot exactly11:59
Waiteecould it be that cthulhu affects the subconcious of the devs at jolla?11:59
coderusits about Blackbeard and sea pirates11:59
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coderus@ArthurArtoria: ?12:09
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dr_gogeta86coderus: my friends use voice note to send blasphemus rumors so12:24
dr_gogeta86mark as low priority12:24
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cos-i think this needs more votes
cos-currently the most annoying issue is that new e-mail causes sound if message sounds are enabled13:11
cos-clear notifications -> go to sleep -> wake up angry when phone detects new mail and makes noise13:12
Waiteeyou can disable email sound13:13
cos-can i?13:14
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Waiteeyeah it's somewhere in the settings13:14
cos-oh yes, sorry..13:14
Yanielyou can make an ambience that has email silenced13:14
Yanielsince ambience ~ profile13:14
Waiteesettings/system/voice and feedback13:15
cos-i wonder what was the notification13:15
Waiteeyou cant individually disable haptic feedback on email notifications13:17
dr_gogeta86guys greetz from sicily13:17
dr_gogeta86where rain snow and 24 degree can coexist13:17
Yanieldr_gogeta86: cool13:17
Waiteesounds like finland13:17
cos-dr_gogeta86: in finland there is lovely sunshine and 7 degrees cold13:18
cos-i think yesterday it was 1713:18
Yanielit was very warm yesterday13:18
Yanielmeh you can't disable vibration per ambience :(13:19
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cos-i still think the sounds and feedback settings could be more fine grained13:20
cos-without losing usability13:20
SK_workstrange, I was thinking about this13:20
SK_work(in the metro to work)13:20
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cos-chriadam|away: did you find the cause for "fb events being way too long"-bug yet? do you need help debugging?13:24
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SK_workcos-: what's that ?13:26
cos-SK_work: some single day fb events are shown as spanning for several weeks or so13:27
SK_workcos-: tried removing the FB account and resync it ?13:28
SK_work(readding it ?)13:28
cos-yep i think i resynced it earlier. but that wouldn't fix the issue anyway13:29
SK_workbecause IIRC, this was a bug in SF 1.0.0.X13:29
SK_workbecause end date was not set13:29
SK_workso the event lasted for some month13:29
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cos-ok i got it working now. i had to disable and re-enable fb sync.13:35
cos-looks like i'm running out of things to whine about in sailfish :-)13:38
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MozgnrHi devs. How about the rom for i9300 ?14:09
Stskeepsi9305, :P14:09
MozgnrI know there is a rom for 9305 but waiting for i9300 :/14:10
kimmolirom sounds so.. sinclair14:10
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* tbr throws some 27HC parts into the channel14:11
tbrhave some ROMs14:11
kimmoli27c512 in cerdip-32 ?14:11
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mozgunerhi again.i was on my mobile now on pc. any developer working on i9300 ?14:12
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laehtisi9300 has very different internals than i9305. i9300 has Exynos chipset and CM has probelms with that, for example graphical glitches, camera problems, driver problems..14:14
Stskeepsi9305 has too, fwiw14:15
laehtisthough I would too like to see i9300 support, if I got the time it would be nice to hack with that. I have two i9300 in the closet to tinker with14:15
mozgunerI know that... And CM still has no stable version for i930014:15
cos-i think i have a 9300i somewhere but sailfish would be pretty slow on it14:16
tbrcos-: vgrade got it working on the first nexus, your argument is void. ;)14:16
laehtiscos: why? it has pretty decent HW14:16
StskeepsChipsetExynos 4412 Quad14:16
StskeepsCPUQuad-core 1.4 GHz Cortex-A914:16
Stskeepsfor i930514:17
laehtissorry, my bad Stskeeps14:17
StskeepsChipsetExynos 4412 Quad14:17
StskeepsCPUQuad-core 1.4 GHz Cortex-A9 for i930014:17
laehtisjust checked it too14:17
Stskeepsit runs pretty nicely really14:17
mozgunerCarsten Munk has a galaxy s3 installed sailfish os on twitter.but nobody knows its i9300 or not :)14:17
tbrmozguner: carsten == Stskeeps14:18
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mozguneroh nice to meet you :)14:18
laehtishmmm... porting from i9305 to i9300 wouldn't be so hard. Though 9305 has 2gb ram while 9300 1gb14:18
laehtisI could definitely be beta tester with 9300 and help work porting14:18
mozguneridk it would be hard or not but lte can be a problem14:19
Stskeepsmozguner: is i930514:19
laehtismozguner: you mean that 9305 has lte and 9300 doesn't?14:19
mozguneri know that it does not have lte and 9305 has lte14:20
mozguneri have i9300 and it doesnt have lte cus in Turkey there is no lte connection.I dont know when we go out from cave :D14:21
laehtismozguner: yes I knew you did but what did you mean by saying that lte could be a problem? :)14:21
fzkso you are the carsten sending me those funny emails!14:21
laehtisOT 24mbps 3G has been good for me, no need LTE14:22
mozguneri heard about lte could be problem cus devices which have lte have different hardware and chipset.14:22
laehtismozguner: yeah, definitely. but it isn't impossible14:23
laehtisI'm newbie what it comes to porting, but if somebody is with me, we could start working the port14:23
mozgunerCM always release roms for international i9300 first.14:24
laehtisyes and they're not so unstable IMO14:24
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mozgunerbut it depends on which devices devs have14:24
laehtisbut if we make a port?14:25
laehtisdevs build to 930514:25
laehtiswe port it to 930014:25
mozgunerim not a porting guy :D im a tester14:25
mozgunerim testing Cm11 since first nighlty14:26
mozgunerand i forgot the date of first nightly :)14:26
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netzviehlaehtis: well there will be the HADK (haddock ;)) to make porting easier/possible14:28
laehtisnezvieh: good 'ol haddock!! that damn seafarer saves us14:30
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laehtislooking forward14:30
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mozguneranyways ,good luck guys.ı hope you would do better than Ubuntu :)14:34
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cos-laehtis: i don't know what are the exact hw specs, but i don't think it would run sailfish
laehtiscos: sorry there must have been misunderstanding, I meant samsung S3 i930014:56
laehtisI musnt have been dropping the first letter off14:57
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meegobitHi everyone, I'm trying to build a user service that watches for changes in a directory, so I have a question, are systemd user services available in And a cascading question: is this the best solution to my problem?15:09
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netzviehmeegobit: the question is, is watching for changes in a dir the best solution for your problem ;)15:19
meegobitnetzvieh: well, It it the conclusion I got to, maybe you have a different solution, let me tell you my requirements: I have to create a way to launch the android apk installer when one apk is finished downloading from the browser15:22
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netzviehmeegobit: so user goes to $website, downloads $apk and it should be installed automagically? and do you want to download it from another app or is that an app to automagically install downloaded apks?15:25
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netzviehalso I'm not sure if the browser could send a message via dbus, when the download is finished. veskuh probably knows something about that? But I think there should be better ways than watching an directory, since it's rather event based15:30
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meegobitnetzvieh: that's it, the app is Aptoide fame, which it deals with the install process of apps available in the configures stores, the trouble arises, when it has to search the website, to later install. When on native Android, a user selects the app in the website, presses the install button, and a special xml file with .myapp extension is returned, which on Android launches an Intent which is caught by Aptoide, to be installed.15:33
meegobitHowever, on Jolla the website is opened on the sailfish native browser, which when it downloads the myapp, does nothing else. And I need it to read the apk link within and launch the installer15:33
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meegobitSo I unintentionally mislead you before, it's not an .apk download, but a .myapp download (which is xml, and contains the apk link within)15:37
meegobitsorry :)15:37
netzviehwell a download is a download ;)15:37
netzviehcouldn't you just download it from inside the app wit hc++/qt foo or use something like curl/wget instead of opening a link? or do you want to enhance the aptoide android app?15:39
netzviehor do you want to install it when the user is browsing the website in the browser?15:40
netzviehfor the latter you need a event created by the browser I think15:40
meegobitthe thing is, It can be fixed within Android, if the app install is started within Aptoide, the problem is that if the user opens the website by himself, selects an app, and presses install, unless I fix this, it just won't work, because nothing will happen15:41
meegobitwhat you suggest is changing the browser to launch a dbus signal, and have an app registered on dbus that starts by dbus on signal?15:44
netzviehbrowser sends signal via dbus -> app looks if its a .myapp file and then starts the installation. though an app not only for aptoide but for all files would be nice, so that you can choose what to do for "each" file format15:47
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netzviehe.g. downloading an .tgz leads to it being extracted into the Downloads folder15:48
netzviehor an .mp3 opens the media player, stuff like that15:48
netzviehbecause with watching the folder, you'd have to do that every second or you'd have considerable delay, and I'm not sure how bad that'd be for the phones uptime15:50
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meegobitthat would be nice, and I think it should be implemented by means of mime-types16:16
meegobitthe thing is I'm required to implement an immediate solution16:17
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meegobitI was thinking of using QFileWatcher, which I believe uses inotify, which is event based, and not poll based, so not that resource hungry16:18
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cos-does anyone else experience random blackouts with jolla?17:06
cos-perhaps once per week, while using the device17:06
Yanielas in shutdowns?17:07
cos-screen goes black and does not respoid to anything including power button17:07
Yanielsounds like lipstick crashes17:08
Yanieldoes the indicator led flash red?17:08
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cos-i'll try to ping the device next time it happens if possible to see if kernel is alive17:10
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Nightmare__cos-: experiencing the same problem, it just goes black and i have to remove the battery17:23
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cos-Nightmare__: ok. sounds like sw issue17:35
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FireFlycos-: I've had something similar, yeah18:00
FireFlyI've been meaning to mention it here or on together, but I've been a bit busy and it's infrequent enough18:00
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cos-can any sailor comment what's the status of the issue? have you caught it yet?18:16
Stskeepscos-: it's a new one to me18:16
Stskeepsa bit unclear if device is dead or not18:16
Stskeepsdoes holding down power button kill device with red led?18:16
Stskeepsnor turn it on, either18:17
cos-no, nothing18:17
Stskeepscheck /var/log/systemboot.log next time around and see if there's anything interesting18:17
cos-is it still there after rebooting?18:18
Stskeepsshould be18:18
Stskeepshow about battery levels before it happens?18:18
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cos-quite high - it's now at 70%18:19
cos-i should have the log file in place now.. i'll try to see if it has anything interesting18:19
Stskeepsonly happens during sleep?18:22
Stskeepsas in, device sleeping18:22
cos-for me it has always happened while using the device18:24
FireFlyI haven't seen any red LED18:24
Stskeepsas in, it just goes blank?18:24
cos-once when starting a call, and today when using calendar18:24
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Stskeepscos-: you're in helsinki?18:24
Stskeepshmm, even better18:25
Stskeepshappens often?18:25
cos-no.. i'd say 1-2 times per week18:25
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Stskeepsso, case is that it shuts down, while using, but it doesn't allow you to turn it back on18:25
Stskeepsuntil you pull battery..?18:26
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cos-yes. and i don't think it's a clean shutdown as there is no splash screen or anything.18:26
StskeepsSage-: ^18:26
FireFlyNot teh same problem as for me, then18:26
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cos-i haven't been at home or work when it has happened so i couldn't check if it responds to ping or ssh18:27
FireFlyI've had spontaneous reboots, similar to those that were rather frequent pre-whatever-the-update-was (the "1.0" one)18:27
FireFlyexcept way less frequent (maybe once a week or less)18:27
cos-FireFly: me too, but these are different18:27
vgradeevening all18:28
Stskeepsevening vgrade18:29
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laehtishow's your sailing weather today?18:45
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Nightmare__Stskeeps: i have the same issue like cos-, after reconnecting the battery it starts by itself18:46
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vgradelaehtis: plain sailing18:51
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laehtisvgrade: no storms?18:59
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vgradeoneplus looks a good sailfish android target for US19:24
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laehtisoneplus os great, good price, look and price19:25
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chem|stvgrade: that is exactly what I thought... why is there no sailfish on it?19:37
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laehtishopefully it gets good OEM support, I mean drivers etc.19:47
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Sage-cos-: hmmp. that is hard to say what it can be if you don't have way to reproduce it reliably. The systemboot.log doesn't reveal anything really in this case.20:10
Sage-cos-: did the network also drop when this happens?20:11
cos-yep, sounds like pain to debug20:11
cos-i don't know about network. i'll try to ping the device next time if possible.20:12
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Sage-any randomness is pain to debug :/20:14
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cos-random crashes occuring very seldom.. all programmers love those20:19
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cos-is there anything else to do if the issue happens again, except checking network status?20:38
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coderuswhere is led color patterns located?20:50
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coderusi can create my own pattern and associate it with feedbacks and notifications21:04
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coderuscan anyone explain about ngfd?21:20
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special*n*on *g*raphical *f*eedback21:21
specialanything else you want to know? :p21:21
artemmaamazingly neither in javaScript nor in Qt I cannot find an easy way to display just hours and minutes in a locale-dependent way21:22
artemmathat is without moment.js21:22
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artemmaall the standard ways either spit out seconds or need you to specify current locale/format somehow21:23
coderusspecial: yup21:24
coderusbut i'm reading sources now21:24
coderusi'll ask more later, if needed21:24
valdur55Can i port sailfish to goclever tab r140 ?21:26
coderusspecial: cant find how sound.profile = im.alert.tone => sound.filename is parsed21:27
specialmm, that one is outside my experience21:28
specialif you end up stuck jusa_ may be able to help21:28
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manqeloquehey. i'd like to customize the tethering feature of sailfish os. are the full sources for that available?21:31
coderusjusa_: ping21:38
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manqeloqueso he's the guy to bug? :-)21:44
specialthere are a lot of guys to bug, depending on what you're bugging about21:45
specialmanqeloque: the answer to your question is most likely: the middleware parts are open, but the UI is not21:46
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specialI don't know specifically where tethering is implemented, other than that it involves connman21:46
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manqeloquei've understood that the tethering-feature has been around for some time already, but it was only lacking an official gui21:48
manqeloqueand that it can be enabled by sending a dbus message to somewhere. so what i'd like to know is a small overview of the process.21:49
Turskii believe it is implemented in connman21:49
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manqeloqueoo thank you <321:51
Turskijust google ;)21:51
manqeloquei did'21:52
manqeloque..i didn't have any idea that jolla actually uses a vanilla connman21:52
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Turskimeegobit: i'm not 100% sure of that too21:53
Turskitabfail, manqeloque21:53
Turskimanqeloque: how about that?;a=summary21:53
tigelimanqeloque: it's not vanilla..21:55
tigeliwhat we use21:55
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Turskitigeli: btw, why not?21:55
manqeloqueis it the one from mer-core then?21:55
tigelithat one21:56
tigeliTurski: well, as we are not the maintainers of the connman.. it would seem that not all our patches are getting in to connman21:57
tigelito be honest.. not a single one has made it there yet :D21:57
Turskitigeli: so there'21:58
manqeloquei used jolla tethered wife for a week (with macbook + linux vbox + n9 connected into it) and only had to restart the tethering 2 times :-)21:58
Turskitigeli: so there's some custom stuff that won't get to mainstream?21:58
manqeloqueand didn't even have to reboot the phone. quite an improvement over joikuspot :P21:58
lpottermanqeloque: \0/ yay!21:59
Turskii've never used joikuspot, was it bad then? :P21:59
tigeliTurski: I don't see a reason why they would not get into upstream..21:59
tigeliTurski: but it purely depends on connman maintainers21:59
lpottermanqeloque: connman in sailfishos is not vanilla21:59
Turskitigeli: i'm just wondering why aren't you committing to mainstream then21:59
Turskinot really my problem, but just asking22:00
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tigeliTurski: well we have sent patches already to connman maillist22:00
lpotterTurski: we do when we think there's a chance they would take the patch22:00
Turskitigeli: ok, good :)22:00
manqeloqueTurski, well N9 joikuspot is. often it just refuses to transfer anything and you'll have to reboot the phone22:00
Turskilpotter: ok, this satisfies me22:00
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tigeliTurski: eg.
manqeloquejolla's tethering is good, but i'd like to see if i can modify it to always give same ip addresses for certain MAC's22:01
tigelilpotter: it's been bit of radio silence after I resent the patches :D22:02
lpottertigeli: ya. normal for connman...22:02
tigeliother than jukkar calling "android-way" a ugly hack :D22:02
lpotterbut then again, there has been no commits to their repo since 1.2322:02
tigelimaybe they are working on private repo :D22:03
lpotterI havent checked tizen's connman repo lately22:07
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coderusfound it22:10
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Turskimanqeloque: you should probably look there
manqeloquehmm. the dbus interface to enable tethering is just SetProperty Tethering=true :-)22:12
coderusi have custom colored notifications now :)))22:13
coderusbig hacking day tomorrow22:13
coderusbut time to sleep now22:13
manqeloqueTurski,i think i'll have to find out more about the overall mechanism first22:18
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lpottermanqeloque: why do you need a static IP for tethering?22:31
lpottertigeli: actually, we have one patch that made it to connman. the wep one.22:33
tigelilpotter: oh. :)22:35
lpotterI've got tradies here today, putting in a new wall to make another bedroom, so I may dissappear sometime22:38
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manqeloquelpotter, it would be nice if my devices would always have same addresses22:39
lpotterwhy? you cannot ssh into it when it's being tethered22:40
manqeloquelike i spent last 6 days in a house without wifi, so i had to use jolla. i had 3 devices connected and i had to ssh into them but it was pretty hard because ip addresses were always random22:41
lpotterahh .. on the other end22:41
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manqeloquesome name service would also do22:45
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manqeloquebut usually it's more reliable if the dhcpd just supplies ip addresses based on the mac22:46
manqeloquelpotter, btw, what do you mean i can't ssh into the phone when it's tethering?22:46
lpotterwhen the wifi technology is tether enabled, it's in bridged mode22:47
lpotternot sure it's even possible. tigelli might know22:48
manqeloquejust tried that, and it seems that i can log into it22:49
manqeloque(phone is sharing mobile network via wifi. phone address is and i can ssh into it from
lpotterhmm. ok. when I tried it, it wasn't working..22:51
manqeloquemaybe there's some condition preventing it. dunno22:56
lpotterI must have been messed up by differing subnet :)22:56
manqeloquei have logged into a tethering N9 many times as well22:57
manqeloquemm. it's odd that the DHCP server is embedded into the connman. I wonder why it doesn't use some external dhcpd22:59
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