| sledges | meegobit: qtc = Qt Creator | 00:04 |
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| sledges | why are you trying to add a "mersdk kit"? | 00:05 |
| meegobit | when starting from a plain c++ cmake template, I need to add it manually since it only gets add automatically on sailfihOS template | 00:06 |
| meegobit | makes sense (qtc - qtcreator) thanks | 00:06 |
| sledges | the command-line way in mer world is the `mb2` tool | 00:07 |
| sledges | which grabs building instructions from rpm/YOUR_PROJECT.spec/yaml | 00:07 |
| sledges | mb2 -t MER/SFOS_TARGET_NAME -s rpm/YOUR_PROJECT.spec build | 00:08 |
| meegobit | now I'm trying to make it work through stripping the sailfishOS template, just thought I mention that adding that build target in the c++ project did not work | 00:08 |
| sledges | (convert from yaml to spec via `specify` tool) | 00:08 |
| sledges | TMTOWTDI | 00:09 |
| sledges | :) | 00:09 |
| meegobit | I dont't know what that means, hope it's good | 00:09 |
| sledges | there's more than one way to do it ;) | 00:10 |
| meegobit | ah, right | 00:10 |
| meegobit | yes, I'm trying to use the more streamlined way, the closest to stock sailfish app way possible | 00:10 |
| sledges | sure | 00:10 |
| sledges | have fun :) | 00:10 |
| meegobit | because it's the easyest, and what makes sense to me, and to share with others later, I appreciate all your help | 00:11 |
| meegobit | do you know about yaml | 00:11 |
| meegobit | I need to add a file to /usr/lib/systemd/user in the Files section | 00:12 |
| meegobit | and I need to activate the unit from the rpm install aswell | 00:13 |
| meegobit | sledges: do you know how to add those things to the spec through the yaml file? | 00:14 |
| sledges | in .spec: %systemd_post NAME.service | 00:18 |
| sledges | /usr/lib/systemd/user just add it to .spec | 00:18 |
| sledges | whenever you run specify, it will just patch the existing .spec instead | 00:18 |
| sledges | that's the mer way, sailfish might have more restrictions of you are aiming for harbour, as apps enabling services might easily go out of control, please do understand | 00:19 |
| * sledges is off to bed, in the earliest country of Europe :)) (along with Portugal :P) | 00:20 | |
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| meegobit | thanks sledges, me too, I'll check it out tomorrow | 00:54 |
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| Almindor | how do you get the application state? QGuiApplication::applicationState() seems to not be available in sailfish yet (Qt older than 5.2?) | 02:45 |
| Almindor | I need to know the state from within C++ | 02:46 |
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| Waitee | is mitäkuuluu 0.6-4 newest? | 07:08 |
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| Nicd- | check openrepos | 07:09 |
| Waitee | yupp apparently it is | 07:11 |
| Waitee | okay, why do i have to request a code every time i shutdown mitäkuuluu? | 07:11 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys and girls | 08:11 |
| Waitee | you know, there's only guys on the internet | 08:12 |
| Acce | yep | 08:12 |
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| fzk | yup, no female creatures on the internets | 08:15 |
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| Acce | and even if I knew there was, I wouldn't tell you | 08:16 |
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| chem|st | from the looks of it there is no single "good" client for xmpp in android or iOS, how are we supposed to fight against telegram/whatsever BS when not even sailfish supports it properly | 08:20 |
| chem|st | Waitee: men are men, women are men and children are lawenforcement officers^^ | 08:21 |
| Waitee | :) | 08:21 |
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| cos- | "Microsoft Continues To Lose Money With Each Surface Tablet It Sells" - any plans for x86 sailfish or nemo for it? | 08:25 |
| sharpneli | cos-: There is a good reason why it requires signed binaries. One would have to crack it. | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | cos-: hmm | 08:26 |
| Waitee | only reason i havent bought a surface pro2 is money | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JegNrfSc0cw | 08:27 |
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| Waitee | the original surface pro fails at battery life | 08:30 |
| cos- | sharpneli: is there really something that's not cracked yet? at least ubuntu works on surface pro. | 08:30 |
| sharpneli | Surface pro could work. | 08:30 |
| Waitee | cos-: wifi doesnt work with ubuntu | 08:30 |
| Waitee | unless you buy a separate dongle | 08:31 |
| cos- | "Currently, the Surface Pro works with Ubuntu 13.04 but the WiFi is a pain to get started and buggy once you do. In 13.10 everything works as it should (or that I’ve seen so far) but you can only boot from cold with the power cable attached. Hopefully, this bug should be fixed by the time 13.10 is officially released." | 08:31 |
| Waitee | okay | 08:31 |
| Waitee | i still propably wouldnt install ubuntu if i had a surface pro | 08:32 |
| cos- | me neither, but i suppose it should be possible to run alternative os's on it | 08:33 |
| leinir | thinkpad yoga | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: testing out your glesv2 new wrappers on jolla device btw | 08:33 |
| Waitee | surface pro has the bootlock but it's possible to allow running of any os without any cracking | 08:34 |
| cos- | i used to run ubuntu & unity on an exopc, but it pretty painful. no proper virtual keyboard integration etc.. | 08:34 |
| Nicd- | Waitee: oh no, I must've married a man then... why did no one tell me?! :( | 08:34 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Nice. No horrible crashes yet? | 08:34 |
| Waitee | i mean you can manually disable the safeboot whatever through bios | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: not so far | 08:34 |
| Waitee | Nicd-: bad luck :( | 08:34 |
| Waitee | Nicd-: if she told she's underage it's possible she's a female fbi officer | 08:35 |
| Waitee | though unlikely | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | cos-: fwiw sailfish i486 port exists, as it's in emulator | 08:36 |
| Waitee | heh unlike | 08:36 |
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| Nicd- | Waitee: I married an underage fbi officer?! and I though it couldn't get any worse | 08:36 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Is there any noticeable perf difference in practical usage? I'd guess no in normal use. | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: hmm i am not 100% sure but i -think- so | 10:50 |
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| coderus | Silica.Theme help needed | 11:12 |
| coderus | i set background with Theme.setBackgroundImage | 11:13 |
| coderus | how to reset it to default? | 11:13 |
| coderus | ah | 11:13 |
| coderus | clearBackgroundImage | 11:13 |
| coderus | thanks :D | 11:13 |
| coderus | blind me :D | 11:13 |
| * Yaniel puts away the duck mask | 11:14 | |
| coderus | but i have another auestion for you | 11:22 |
| coderus | QML Image: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/icon-m-people | 11:22 |
| coderus | its not working with one component only | 11:23 |
| coderus | in other components its working | 11:23 |
| coderus | import Sailfish.Silica 1.0 in place | 11:23 |
| coderus | my mind is blown and i have no idea whats going on | 11:23 |
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| BlueMagma | Hi | 11:46 |
| BlueMagma | I'd would like to talk to someone from the harbour | 11:46 |
| TheBootroo_work | BlueMagma: o/ | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | BlueMagma: developer care is probably best direction | 11:46 |
| BlueMagma | Because I think there must be a mistake | 11:47 |
| BlueMagma | I just received : Import 'Sailfish.Silica 1.0;' is not allowed | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | kontio: ^ | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | (or thp) | 11:47 |
| BlueMagma | which make no sense | 11:47 |
| BlueMagma | I am issing something ? | 11:48 |
| BlueMagma | missing* | 11:48 |
| kontio | ; is not needed | 11:48 |
| kontio | I think that messes up the parsing | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | though is strictly speaking correct qml? | 11:48 |
| TheBootroo_work | kontio: shouldn't case rejection, it's correct QML and i use it all the time, no issue | 11:48 |
| TheBootroo_work | if it breaks harbour check, then your regexp is wrong | 11:49 |
| BlueMagma | TheBootroo_work: Indeed | 11:49 |
| TheBootroo_work | /import/s+Sailfish.Silica/s+1.0/s*;*/ is the way to go | 11:49 |
| kontio | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtqml-syntax-imports.html | 11:49 |
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| kontio | there is no ; mentioned... | 11:50 |
| kontio | in the imports | 11:50 |
| coderus | lol, i resolved my image issue | 11:50 |
| TheBootroo_work | kontio: Qt doc is not a good example : they simply don't put ; when not mandatory | 11:50 |
| TheBootroo_work | but not mandatory != wrong | 11:50 |
| coderus | if i set sourceSize images from theme not working :D | 11:50 |
| TheBootroo_work | for my part, i ALWAYS put ; at end of lines in QML, old C++ reflex i guess | 11:51 |
| BlueMagma | yeah they don't even put it after property declaration | 11:51 |
| TheBootroo_work | and QML engine doesn't forbid it, simply not mandatory if nothing else on the same line | 11:51 |
| BlueMagma | which is imho bad behavior | 11:51 |
| kontio | sure we can fix that... but for the time being if you want to submit the app to harbour remove the ; | 11:51 |
| TheBootroo_work | BlueMagma: only time you'll see ; in Qt doc is for inline properties | 11:51 |
| BlueMagma | kontio: ok, I'll try that | 11:52 |
| kontio | BlueMagma: hmm no we should allow ; at the end... is there still some space at the end? | 11:54 |
| TheBootroo_work | kontio: if help is needed with regexp, i'm here | 11:54 |
| kontio | TheBootroo_work: https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator/blob/master/rpmvalidation.sh#L722 | 11:55 |
| BlueMagma | kontio: no there isn't | 11:55 |
| kontio | it should remove it in the sed | 11:55 |
| kontio | '^[[:space:]]*import[[:space:]]' should match... | 11:55 |
| kontio | imo | 11:56 |
| TheBootroo_work | kontio: the sed line doesn't remove/ignore the trailing semicolon afaik | 11:57 |
| TheBootroo_work | but bth, i don't really speak sed | 11:57 |
| TheBootroo_work | js regexp powa | 11:57 |
| TheBootroo_work | ;-) | 11:57 |
| TheBootroo_work | kontio: from what i see " Import 'Sailfish.Silica 1.0;' is not allowed " mean that ; is taken as part of the import name, which is obviously wrong | 11:58 |
| kontio | TheBootroo_work: agree... but the sed should cut if off... IMO but not sure why it does not... that line made me already a lot of headaches... | 11:59 |
| kaltsi | TheBootroo_work: what is your exact import line? | 12:01 |
| TheBootroo_work | kontio: the line lacks a s/;// | 12:01 |
| TheBootroo_work | kaltsi: not mine | 12:01 |
| TheBootroo_work | kaltsi: BlueMagma ^ | 12:01 |
| kaltsi | oh | 12:01 |
| kontio | -e 's/;$//' | 12:02 |
| kontio | is there | 12:02 |
| BlueMagma | TheBootroo_work: yes ? | 12:02 |
| TheBootroo_work | but i use same as him, and my apps were approved last week | 12:02 |
| kaltsi | BlueMagma: what is the exact import line where you get the validator problem? | 12:02 |
| TheBootroo_work | BlueMagma: kaltsi ask for the exact faulty line ? | 12:02 |
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| BlueMagma | kaltsi: a lot of them all those with a ";" | 12:03 |
| kaltsi | could you copy paste one of them here | 12:03 |
| TheBootroo_work | kontio: my bad, didn't see it, as pastebin doesn't wordWrap | 12:03 |
| kontio | BlueMagma: or do you have the code somewhere in github? | 12:03 |
| kontio | so we can have a look at it? | 12:04 |
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| kontio | seems we don't have any import foo; line in our test cases... | 12:04 |
| BlueMagma | kaltsi: https://gitorious.org/sailfish-app/2048/source/1e81f4637e4bfea0117c6335732ebb21a50a326d:qml/GameComponent/Tile.qml | 12:04 |
| kaltsi | thanks.. nothing strange there | 12:05 |
| TheBootroo_work | BlueMagma: be happy, today will have helped in enhancing package QA for the community | 12:05 |
| BlueMagma | TheBootroo_work: XD, yeah thanks to you and your ";" | 12:06 |
| TheBootroo_work | XD | 12:10 |
| kaltsi | BlueMagma: your sources pass the validation in my machine | 12:12 |
| kaltsi | BlueMagma: do you happen to work in windows? | 12:12 |
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| kaltsi | the problem is windows linefeeds I guess | 12:14 |
| kaltsi | because if I convert that Tile.qml to windows format with 'unix2dos' then the checker script does not match correctly | 12:15 |
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| TheBootroo_work | kaltsi: BlueMagma uses linux | 12:15 |
| TheBootroo_work | normally | 12:15 |
| kaltsi | ok.. but I get that problem if I do this.. without the conversion it passes | 12:15 |
| TheBootroo_work | but maybe this time he packaged on windows | 12:15 |
| BlueMagma | TheBootroo_work: yeah I'm at work | 12:16 |
| BlueMagma | and I package at work on windows | 12:16 |
| TheBootroo_work | BlueMagma: well, windows fucked you hard this time | 12:16 |
| TheBootroo_work | and that explains why it worked for me : i NEVER used sdk on windows | 12:16 |
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| coderus | 2048 game, cool, thanks BlueMagma :) | 13:10 |
| coderus | BlueMagma: one issue: hide pulldown when no items inside | 13:20 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | http://translate.google.com/translate_tts?tl=fi&q=mitakuuluu | 13:58 |
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| BlueMagma | coderus: What do you mean ? | 14:02 |
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| hoelzro | what's the recommended practice for performing work in the background? I have something number crunching on the main thread for 2.5 seconds, and I'd like to display a dialog for the user | 14:12 |
| coderus | BlueMagma: at first start i cant do anything unless change size | 14:15 |
| coderus | restart game does nothing | 14:15 |
| coderus | and there are no grid and tiles | 14:15 |
| BlueMagma | coderus: Seriously, It work with me | 14:17 |
| coderus | holkeri: what work in the background? does it painful to perform all queued opetations when activating application? | 14:18 |
| coderus | BlueMagma: remove storage file | 14:18 |
| BlueMagma | At first start, restartGame don't work ? | 14:18 |
| coderus | BlueMagma: and test then | 14:18 |
| BlueMagma | I did, It was working perfectly fine | 14:18 |
| coderus | [nemo@Jolla ~]$ rm .local/share/harbour-2048/harbour-2048/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/8faf3790606b2c46b8bccdb319d82e30.ini | 14:19 |
| coderus | [nemo@Jolla ~]$ rm .local/share/harbour-2048/harbour-2048/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/8faf3790606b2c46b8bccdb319d82e30.sqlite | 14:19 |
| coderus | start - no grid and no tiles | 14:19 |
| BlueMagma | coderus: shit | 14:19 |
| BlueMagma | coderus: I'll test again | 14:19 |
| BlueMagma | coderus: thanks for the bugreport | 14:19 |
| coderus | it will appear after changing grid size | 14:19 |
| BlueMagma | coderus: ho ok, I see why | 14:20 |
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| meegobit | Hi everyone, I'm having a bit of trouble trying to deploy an RPM from sailfishSDK with a file in a custom location, it fails with a RPM build error file not found | 14:21 |
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| meegobit | I put the file and its path from root in the other files dir, and included its full path both in the project file and the yaml file (files section) | 14:21 |
| meegobit | can you please help me, what's the proper way to do this? | 14:22 |
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| coderus | meegobit: forgot to add to .pro? | 14:43 |
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| meegobit | coderus: no, I put usr/lib/systemd/user/my.service in my .pro which is the exact path of the file in the project, also I added this line - '/usr/lib/systemd/user/%{name}.service' to the .yaml | 14:57 |
| meegobit | the error I get is: error: File not found: /home/deploy/installroot/usr/lib/systemd/user/my.service | 14:58 |
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| coderus | your project named "my"? | 15:15 |
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| coderus | meegobit: service.files = service/yourappname.service service.path = /usr/lib/systemd/user/yourappname.service INSTALLS += service | 15:18 |
| meegobit | yes | 15:18 |
| meegobit | I should add that line to .yaml file? | 15:19 |
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| meegobit | or .pro? | 15:21 |
| coderus | this is for pro | 15:21 |
| coderus | in yaml just add /usr/lib/systemd/user/yourappname.service to files | 15:22 |
| meegobit | ok, great, I'll try | 15:22 |
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| BlueMagma | coderus: Merci pour le bug report, j'ai fix | 15:26 |
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| BlueMagma | coderus: sorry for the french.. XD. So, thanks for the bugreports, I fixed it | 15:27 |
| TheBootroo_work | BlueMagma: well, you're fucked now, everyone here knows yo' | 15:27 |
| TheBootroo_work | *you are french | 15:28 |
| TheBootroo_work | btw, harbour should have way to cancel a QA submission, | 15:28 |
| BlueMagma | just like you are ! | 15:28 |
| TheBootroo_work | BlueMagma: ssshh | 15:28 |
| BlueMagma | TheBootroo_work: Agreed | 15:28 |
| TheBootroo_work | when we submit too fast and want to fix a little thing before an incomplete app gets validated and having to wait a couple of days further to get the hotfix | 15:29 |
| TheBootroo_work | oh and i still waiting for the stats on dashboard to be actually connected to the store | 15:29 |
| TheBootroo_work | quite annoying to go each week on each app in the store to check the stats and comments.... | 15:30 |
| TheBootroo_work | already annoying with 3 apps, what will it be when my 4 other apps will be submitted... | 15:30 |
| TheBootroo_work | the risk is that i wait for it to be fixed before a publish any more app | 15:31 |
| meegobit | coderus: It gives the same error - file not found /home/deploy/installroot/usr/lib/systemd/user/my.service | 15:33 |
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| meegobit | coderus: It worked, I just needed to move my service file to the path suggested by your line, thanks a lot, you rock | 15:37 |
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| coderus | BlueMagma: okay, pulling for test :) | 15:57 |
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| coderus | meegobit: good :) | 15:59 |
| meegobit | coderus: do you by any chance now the .yaml syntax to enable that systemd service upon install? I think the .spec syntax is %systemd_post NAME.service | 16:00 |
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| coderus | BlueMagma: thanks for the fix :) | 16:11 |
| coderus | you should remove yaml then and edit directly spec file | 16:11 |
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| coderus | BlueMagma: and your game rules are different with original | 16:21 |
| coderus | you should make it same (at least for sizes >= 4) or rename application :) | 16:21 |
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| dwangoAC | I have some interesting test results on the Nexus 4, some of which are probably already known. When a phonecall comes in and vibrate is enabled, it only vibrates once very briefly. If you decline the call, it hangs up roughly on the person rather than sending to voicemail (at least with T-Mobile); it works OK if you let it ring until it gives up. | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | dwangoAC: hmmm | 16:30 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: I can try updating call forwarding settings - | 16:31 |
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| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: It's supposed to forward to Google Voice | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | can you compare RIL logs (logcat -b radio) of how we do it versus let's say android? | 16:31 |
| dwangoAC | (And was doing so properly before now) | 16:31 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: Well, not sure how to get that information for Android, but I can get you what this phone says, one sec | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | you can through adb likely | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | /usr/libexec/droid-hybris/system/bin/logcat -b radio | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | on sailfish | 16:32 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: Sad story - my Galaxy S4 I was borrowing completely stopped booting, no idea why - I can get into its recovery partition but that's about it so I'll ahve to fight with that one | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, samsung has pretty good total reflashability from recollection? | 16:32 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: Yes, I'm sure I'll be able to recover, not sure how it got this bad though | 16:33 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: It just locked up completely on Sunday night and gets really hot and won't boot now :) | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | mobile devices are like sausages, you don't, ever want to see how they're made.. | 16:33 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: And, let me guess, now you know how they are made | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | uh-huh | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | guess why i'm always posting about smartwatches | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:33 |
| dwangoAC | Hmm... trying to SSH in is taking a very long time.. OK, I'm finally in | 16:34 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: Are the smartwatches somehow designed in some other form other than sausages? | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | the industry deep amount of crazy is likely less | 16:34 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: My experience as a test engineer working on everything from scanners, DVD burners, cameras, Blu-Ray authoring SDK's, and now telecommunications equipment has taught me that virtually all software projects fail the "sausage" test | 16:35 |
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| dwangoAC | You really don't want to see everything that went wrong before you got the software as an end-user :) | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | dwangoAC: CE certification (like FCC..) is fantastic too | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | 'this is a laptop, let's test it's electrical properties by making it constantly write 'H' to the screen, parallel port' | 16:35 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: "fantastic" = completely beurocratic | 16:35 |
| * tbr is happy about his smartwatch, it's got a µc in it, not much that can go wrong in there. the MSP430 doesn't need UEFI, ACPI or linux | 16:37 | |
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| Acce | :P | 16:38 |
| Acce | which smartwatch? DIY? | 16:38 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: Hmm.. OK, there's a lot of data here - first my wife called me and I answered, then she called me and I let it ring until it went to voicemail successfully, then she called me and I selected "decline" which immediately disconnected the phonecall for her, as if I had hung up. | 16:39 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: Here's the log: http://codepad.org/McYQGscz | 16:40 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: As in, a Microchp processor? | 16:40 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: Microchip brand, I should say? | 16:40 |
| Acce | tbr: TI | 16:40 |
| Acce | dwangoAC: ^ | 16:40 |
| Acce | MSP430 is TI product | 16:40 |
| tbr | dwangoAC: metwawatch | 16:40 |
| tbr | it has a micro controller in it, a MSP430 by TI | 16:41 |
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| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: I'll see if I can figure out a way to get a working Android phone and I'll get back to you on what Android looks like with the same sequence, but it could be a day or two so I'm not sure that's worth it. | 16:43 |
| dwangoAC | Off to work I go, AFK for a few minutes while in transit | 16:44 |
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| Funkeh` | is there info about the sailfish/jolla app store someplace? e.g. rules and regulations | 17:11 |
| tbr | yes | 17:13 |
| tbr | https://harbour.jolla.com/ | 17:14 |
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| Funkeh` | Is the store as liberal as google play or is there some form of verification | 17:16 |
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| tbr | read the faq, link at the bottom | 17:18 |
| Funkeh` | ty | 17:19 |
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| tbr | Funkeh`: also note that there is a helper script in the SDK to vert your package and an active mailing list | 17:31 |
| tbr | s/vert/vet/ | 17:31 |
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| Funkeh` | I read the terms and is seems to signify that there is approval, which is what I was hoping for | 17:33 |
| Funkeh` | I'd like a store "safer" than Play | 17:33 |
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| meek_geek | hi | 17:50 |
| keithzg | Arghhhhhh | 17:51 |
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| meek_geek | wtf? | 17:51 |
| keithzg | Literally teh same day I was planning on flashing my Nexus 4, I finally drop it. | 17:51 |
| keithzg | Screen entirely shattered. | 17:51 |
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| keithzg | Went from without a scratch to completely unusable in a terrible, terrible instant :( | 17:51 |
| keithzg | So still no SailfishOS on mobile data for me, le sigh. | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | :( | 17:52 |
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| javispedro | there are android devices with plastic screens :) | 17:56 |
| keithzg | And thus my N9 continues its long, long reign as my actual phone. Guess I'll have to buy another random Android phone or a standalone wifi hotspot to keep my Jolla itself connected too, then. | 17:56 |
| javispedro | welcome to the club! | 17:57 |
| * javispedro also uses n9 | 17:57 | |
| keithzg | Heh yeah I had one of those plastic screen Android phones back in the day. It was . . . unpleasant. I understood then why folks hated resistive touchscreens (never quite understood the hate until then, since the N900's screen was actually fantastic in many regards). | 17:58 |
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| keithzg | Yeah mine is getting a bit dire, since it won't let me take pictures anymore, so I should probably try to do a backup and reflash it, but otherwise my N9 is trucking along quite fine, still love it :) | 17:59 |
| javispedro | there are capacitive plastic devices btw | 18:00 |
| javispedro | iirc lg made one not too long ago | 18:00 |
| keithzg | huh, fair enough | 18:01 |
| javispedro | oh | 18:01 |
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| meegobit | tbr: wow, what are you thinking, sailfishWatch via meta? | 18:01 |
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| javispedro | well, it was quite long ago, 2011 :) | 18:01 |
| javispedro | lg optimus v | 18:02 |
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| javispedro | catched my attention back then | 18:02 |
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| ln- | *caught | 18:02 |
| Eztran | I guess I can stop counting in my head now, then. | 18:03 |
| javispedro | :) | 18:04 |
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| tbr | meegobit: I'm still thinking of making SOwatch work with Jolla | 18:11 |
| javispedro | sorry for that | 18:16 |
| javispedro | tbr: btw, I still don't know how would the "render QML to a pixmap" part would be done -- did you have any idea in mind for that? | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | you can always ask sletta | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | (who left 20 mins ago), him being the current qt/qml rendering wizard with jolla | 18:24 |
| Acce | javispedro: if you find out, I'm also interested in that | 18:24 |
| jpnurmi | Say hello to QQuickItem::grabToImage() - https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,72338 | 18:25 |
| javispedro | bleeding edge | 18:26 |
| javispedro | :) | 18:26 |
| Acce | jpnurmi: is it already implemented in 5.2? | 18:26 |
| jpnurmi | Acce: nope, not yet even merged but targeting 5.4 | 18:27 |
| Acce | ok, great to know! So I can postpone the project that needs it until 5.4 :) | 18:27 |
| javispedro | oh. | 18:28 |
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| javispedro | well, my hacky alternative was to create a platform plugin =) | 18:29 |
| javispedro | I suspect that by the time optima finishes with my jolla it'll be already 5.4 =) | 18:30 |
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| faenil | or you can just copy the code from that commit? (provided it doesn't use anything private, ofc) :D | 18:31 |
| javispedro | i'm sure it does, I tried hard to find a way without getting to private headers. | 18:31 |
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| javispedro | hm, wait a sec. | 18:34 |
| javispedro | jpnurmi: I see your patch also depends on the item being on a QQuickView, is that correct? | 18:35 |
| javispedro | how is it different from QQuickView::grabWindow then? | 18:35 |
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| javispedro | oh, grabToImage can be called from JS, I see. | 18:37 |
| faenil | well, I guess this grabs an Item (and its children) while the other one grabs the whole window? :) | 18:37 |
| javispedro | well, that too :) | 18:37 |
| faenil | :) | 18:37 |
| Acce | the grapwindow also cannot grap what is outside the window, which would be nice if you want to grap a large item in a flickable for example | 18:38 |
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| faenil | good point | 18:39 |
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| javispedro | this was (and still is) terribly buggy in qt4.x because of different render paths for qdeclarativeview and "the rest" | 18:41 |
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| javispedro | accounts for many of the glitches that some times appear in sowatch (e.g. ListViews that scroll and don't clear the background) | 18:41 |
| immotus | would the specs on this phone make it a good candidate for Sailfish? http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_z-3421.php | 18:41 |
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| Stskeeps | good evening Venemo | 18:42 |
| Venemo | hey Stskeeps good evening to you too :) | 18:42 |
| Venemo | how are you? :) | 18:42 |
| jpnurmi | javispedro: it's not my patch :) | 18:42 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: i'm good, day off tomorrow | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | immotus: no | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | immotus: cm10.1 or higher ability | 18:43 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: yeah it's some national holiday here too | 18:43 |
| immotus | Stskeeps: "cm" ? | 18:44 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps, it does run cm11, seemingly | 18:44 |
| Venemo | immotus: cyanogen mod | 18:44 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: really? i saw cm7 max | 18:45 |
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| immotus | Stskeeps, javispedro: bummer.. confirmed cm 7.2 (http://oldwiki.cyanogenmod.org/wiki/Devices_Overview#HTC_Vision) | 18:47 |
| immotus | unless the wiki page is out of date :^) | 18:47 |
| * immotus hopes it is | 18:47 | |
| javispedro | oh, I probably confused it | 18:47 |
| immotus | I guess I'll have to get a new phone then.. that may take awhile :^) | 18:48 |
| immotus | maybe by the time I'm ready Jolla will be selling in the US :^) | 18:48 |
| javispedro | if htc vision == htc desire z this seems to be jelly bean for it: | 18:50 |
| javispedro | https://github.com/cyanogenmod/android_device_htc_vision | 18:50 |
| javispedro | err no | 18:50 |
| javispedro | https://github.com/HTCDreamOn/android_device_htc_vision/ | 18:50 |
| immotus | javispedro: looks like vision is the codename for the HTC Desire Z | 18:51 |
| javispedro | low specs though, albeit nice keyboard. | 18:52 |
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| immotus | javispedro: yeah.. when I have to upgrade I'll miss the keyboard | 18:52 |
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| immotus | so, if my phone does end up supporting the latest cyanogenmod, do I install CM, then install SailfishOS ? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | plus a bit of a detour through the HADK | 18:54 |
| immotus | Hackers Advanced Deception Kit ? | 18:54 |
| immotus | Helium Airfilters Drying Kelp ? | 18:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Hardware Adaptation Development Kit | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | will come later on | 18:55 |
| immotus | oh, okay | 18:56 |
| immotus | ya'lls work on SailfishOS is very much appreciated, btw :^) | 18:57 |
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| immotus | does Jolla's phone do any major customization of the SailfishOS? Or can I trust that the previews of the Jolla phone pretty much match the user experience of SailfishOS ? | 18:58 |
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| Stskeeps | it's pretty much 1:1 at the moment, but, be aware that sailfishos for android devices doesn't include currently: HERE maps, mp3 codecs/av codecs, android runtime, predictive input method | 18:59 |
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| immotus | Stskeeps: good to know. and (in hindsight) it makes sense that those would be missing | 19:00 |
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| immotus | Stskeeps: not having HERE maps might be a deal-breaker for my phone hacking attempt.. I haven't had much luck with Open Street Map | 19:01 |
| keithzg | Wait wait, is there an OSM client for Sailfish yet? Huh, I totally missed that. | 19:02 |
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| piggz | immotus: Stskeeps: im attempting to port ubuntu to htc desire hd (ace) official cm is 7.1, however repos exist for 10.1 and 11, and its very well supported | 19:10 |
| piggz | maybe you can find repos with better support | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | nod, just noting that unofficial cyanogenmod ports add to the pain | 19:11 |
| piggz | Stskeeps: what is the procedure for building sailfish for an android phone...how easy? | 19:12 |
| piggz | ubuntu build process seems well-ish documented (not working tho!) | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | piggz: it comes with the HADK that comes when .. :P | 19:12 |
| piggz | hadk? | 19:12 |
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| Eztran | piggz: Hardware Adaptation Development Kit, apparently. | 19:14 |
| piggz | brb, rebooting for new kernel | 19:15 |
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| immotus | keithzg: I just kind've assumed there was an OSM client for sailfish since it is one of the best free map sources available. I don't even know where to check online what apps are available for Sailfish :^) | 19:24 |
| Eztran | Harbour doesn't have a web client yet, unfortunately. OpenRepos does, even if you'd rather not use it it's still a decent way of getting an idea. | 19:30 |
| immotus | Eztran: thanks! I'll check out OpenRepos | 19:31 |
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| immotus | keithzg: looks like there is at least one map viewer that works with OSM.. https://openrepos.net/content/dcaliste/maep-qt | 19:35 |
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| flux | is it a component? | 19:42 |
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| immotus | flux: if you're asking me, I have no idea :^) | 19:59 |
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| flux | well, it looks like it's not :) | 20:03 |
| flux | but I should some day release the mjpeg-streaming app - with the streaming component as a separate component.. | 20:04 |
| meek_geek | hi | 20:06 |
| immotus | what is a "component" in this context? | 20:10 |
| flux | something one can easily embed in another application, of course | 20:11 |
| flux | preferably in the form of a QML component perhaps | 20:11 |
| immotus | ah, okay | 20:11 |
| flux | (say, if someone were to write a GPS tracking app..) | 20:12 |
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| immotus | flux: QML sounds like fun. Are there any games for learning QML ? :^) | 20:58 |
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| Yaniel | ga- what | 21:04 |
| Yaniel | anyway QML is pretty close to HTML+javascript | 21:05 |
| Acce | immotus: not exactly, but I'd say go through the tutorials in the docs | 21:05 |
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| artemma | QML is sorta HTML if it was invented for buttons and rectangles and app UIs, not for text flows :) | 21:06 |
| Acce | just like Yaniel says, but QML is 100 times more intuitive compared to HTML+CSS | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | artemma: you're saying.... | 21:07 |
| Yaniel | QML is like HTML designed for web apps? | 21:07 |
| artemma | yeah | 21:07 |
| artemma | more for mobile apps though | 21:07 |
| immotus | QML does seem to be becoming pervasive. Probably worth learning if I want to write any simple user-interface stuff | 21:07 |
| * artemma isn't sure he'd choose qml for exactly a web app, html might suite better | 21:08 | |
| Acce | artemma: sure, but I'd love qml in web | 21:08 |
| Acce | web apps are often used in mobile lately anyways | 21:08 |
| Acce | and webpages are becoming more like interactive apps | 21:08 |
| artemma | oh, for mobile facebook app, I'd use QML just fine and possibly it could be quite efficient | 21:08 |
| artemma | for www.facebook.com on desktops - not sure | 21:09 |
| artemma | eh, it's a pity there's very little effort in making Qt looking native on iOS and Android | 21:09 |
| artemma | it seems those who are after porting are more into enterprise apps that will be used regardless of whether they look real native | 21:10 |
| immotus | once a QML app is written for Sailfish would it be pretty simple to port it to KDE? | 21:10 |
| Acce | well, I don't see what you could do with html+css and not with qml.. maybe you would need to implement something like the Silica Theme object to enable personal styles though | 21:10 |
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| artemma | Acce: think about running in a multitude of platforms with own standards. Also for exactly long text flows -> html was made for it and QML wasn't | 21:11 |
| Acce | immotus: fairly simple, I'd say | 21:11 |
| artemma | immotus: yes and no. In general official QML motto is that it's so easy to rewrite, that you can just scrap UI from one platform and rewrite for another one | 21:12 |
| artemma | sure it means it's a good idea to separate logic from the look a little | 21:12 |
| Acce | artemma: that's not a problem, if the qml is rendered using html | 21:12 |
| artemma | and then you know. Sailfish UI is quite different from KDE anyway | 21:12 |
| immotus | artemma: so the QML should focus on the presentation, not necessarily data manipulation? | 21:13 |
| artemma | immotus: in theory yes. In practice.. I find that it is indeed easy to simply rewrite if your code is modular enough | 21:13 |
| * artemma did it as single shots only though, no long term support for parallel UIs | 21:14 | |
| Acce | https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/www/qmlweb | 21:15 |
| Acce | not sure if this implementation just renders everything on a canvas, but it works quite nicely | 21:15 |
| artemma | 502 Bad Gateway - I guess it describes project status well :) | 21:15 |
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| artemma | ah, works now | 21:15 |
| artemma | rendering QML in HTML is.. not a walk in the park. And.. how much sense is there without C++ object injection? | 21:16 |
| Acce | much? there's no C++ object injection in HTML5 either | 21:16 |
| Acce | and QML is exposed by it's nature | 21:17 |
| Acce | as is html5 | 21:17 |
| * artemma is thinking of whether he'd use it for a real web site | 21:17 | |
| Acce | we can never know, unless the implementation gets better support for more components :) | 21:18 |
| immotus | might be a neat way to showcase or preview simple QML apps from a website before deciding to install | 21:18 |
| artemma | well.. maybe modern browsers are powerful enough for qml animations and stuff.. | 21:18 |
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| artemma | but still, native buttons, text areas, etc going to be a challenge probably | 21:18 |
| artemma | and then a wild zoo of mobile browsers | 21:19 |
| Acce | http://109.204.130.17/qmlweb_play/ | 21:19 |
| Acce | can you access that? | 21:19 |
| artemma | Access forbidden! | 21:19 |
| Acce | hmm.. oh yeah, it's vhost, wait a sec | 21:20 |
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| Acce | anyways, it's just little something I made quickly to test the implementation | 21:22 |
| artemma | still 403 | 21:23 |
| artemma | well, I think it's a very noble project | 21:23 |
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| artemma | and probably possible, well, to the extent that it's usable | 21:23 |
| Acce | it's just something I wrote quickly to test how well it works | 21:24 |
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| Acce | anyways, looks like the project is going slowly | 21:24 |
| artemma | I just don't think I would go for it myself: feels like too complex and then all this browser hell to be debug through yet another presentation layer | 21:24 |
| Acce | and there are 100x more html5 web application coders than qml coders | 21:24 |
| Acce | well, you can debug it with qmlscene | 21:25 |
| artemma | oh, no, I mean very different thing :) | 21:25 |
| * artemma 's daily business is a lot about debugging complex html5 issues specific to specific browsers | 21:25 | |
| artemma | I mean things like: why on earth button expands to whole screen exactly in Android 2.3 browser | 21:26 |
| Acce | well, if you render on a canvas, lot of that would be gone | 21:26 |
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| Acce | anyways, uploaded to another place: http://foximity.net/kaikkea/accenturfilta/qmlweb_play/ | 21:26 |
| artemma | that automatically makes text unselectable, doesn't it? | 21:26 |
| Acce | the animation is quite smooth on my pc | 21:26 |
| Acce | hmm, that's right, so canvas isn't the holy grail | 21:27 |
| artemma | good enough for games | 21:27 |
| artemma | though then you'll get into need to play media and comms with servers | 21:28 |
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| artemma | demo is cool | 21:32 |
| artemma | daunting project IMO, but if succeeds, that'd be real cool | 21:32 |
| Acce | yeah, and dead simple to write.. but with all the browsers being so incompatible and everything, I guess it's going to take a long, long time | 21:33 |
| artemma | well, maybe if you focus on a specific area first | 21:33 |
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| artemma | such as 2D games in modern desktop browsers | 21:34 |
| Acce | yep | 21:34 |
| artemma | or the other way around: facebook-style mobile web app | 21:34 |
| artemma | that would probably be of bigger practical use as supporting all the weird Androids is tough and QML is made especially well for small screen layouts and dynamics | 21:35 |
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