Wednesday, 2014-04-30

sledgesmeegobit: qtc = Qt Creator00:04
sledgeswhy are you trying to add a "mersdk kit"?00:05
meegobitwhen starting from a plain c++ cmake template, I need to add it manually since it only gets add automatically on sailfihOS template00:06
meegobitmakes sense (qtc - qtcreator) thanks00:06
sledgesthe command-line way in mer world is the `mb2` tool00:07
sledgeswhich grabs building instructions from rpm/YOUR_PROJECT.spec/yaml00:07
sledgesmb2 -t MER/SFOS_TARGET_NAME -s rpm/YOUR_PROJECT.spec build00:08
meegobitnow I'm trying to make it work through stripping the sailfishOS template, just thought I mention that adding that build target in the c++ project did not work00:08
sledges(convert from yaml to spec via `specify` tool)00:08
meegobitI dont't know what that means, hope it's good00:09
sledgesthere's more than one way to do it ;)00:10
meegobitah, right00:10
meegobityes, I'm trying to use the more streamlined way, the closest to stock sailfish app way possible00:10
sledgeshave fun :)00:10
meegobitbecause it's the easyest, and what makes sense to me, and to share with others later, I appreciate all your help00:11
meegobitdo you know about yaml00:11
meegobitI need to add a file to /usr/lib/systemd/user in the Files section00:12
meegobitand I need to activate the unit from the rpm install aswell00:13
meegobitsledges: do you know how to add those things to the spec through the yaml file?00:14
sledgesin .spec: %systemd_post NAME.service00:18
sledges/usr/lib/systemd/user just add it to .spec00:18
sledgeswhenever you run specify, it will just patch the existing .spec instead00:18
sledgesthat's the mer way, sailfish might have more restrictions of you are aiming for harbour, as apps enabling services might easily go out of control, please do understand00:19
* sledges is off to bed, in the earliest country of Europe :)) (along with Portugal :P)00:20
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meegobitthanks sledges, me too, I'll check it out tomorrow00:54
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Almindorhow do you get the application state? QGuiApplication::applicationState() seems to not be available in sailfish yet (Qt older than 5.2?)02:45
AlmindorI need to know the state from within C++02:46
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Waiteeis mitäkuuluu 0.6-4 newest?07:08
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Nicd-check openrepos07:09
Waiteeyupp apparently it is07:11
Waiteeokay, why do i have to request a code every time i shutdown mitäkuuluu?07:11
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dr_gogeta86hi guys and girls08:11
Waiteeyou know, there's only guys on the internet08:12
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fzkyup, no female creatures on the internets08:15
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Acceand even if I knew there was, I wouldn't tell you08:16
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chem|stfrom the looks of it there is no single "good" client for xmpp in android or iOS, how are we supposed to fight against telegram/whatsever BS when not even sailfish supports it properly08:20
chem|stWaitee: men are men, women are men and children are lawenforcement officers^^08:21
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cos-"Microsoft Continues To Lose Money With Each Surface Tablet It Sells" - any plans for x86 sailfish or nemo for it?08:25
sharpnelicos-: There is a good reason why it requires signed binaries. One would have to crack it.08:26
Stskeepscos-: hmm08:26
Waiteeonly reason i havent bought a surface pro2 is money08:26
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Waiteethe original surface pro fails at battery life08:30
cos-sharpneli: is there really something that's not cracked yet? at least ubuntu works on surface pro.08:30
sharpneliSurface pro could work.08:30
Waiteecos-: wifi doesnt work with ubuntu08:30
Waiteeunless you buy a separate dongle08:31
cos-"Currently, the Surface Pro works with Ubuntu 13.04 but the WiFi is a pain to get started and buggy once you do. In 13.10 everything works as it should (or that I’ve seen so far) but you can only boot from cold with the power cable attached. Hopefully, this bug should be fixed by the time 13.10 is officially released."08:31
Waiteei still propably wouldnt install ubuntu if i had a surface pro08:32
cos-me neither, but i suppose it should be possible to run alternative os's on it08:33
leinirthinkpad yoga08:33
Stskeepssharpneli: testing out your glesv2 new wrappers on jolla device btw08:33
Waiteesurface pro has the bootlock but it's possible to allow running of any os without any cracking08:34
cos-i used to run ubuntu & unity on an exopc, but it pretty painful. no proper virtual keyboard integration etc..08:34
Nicd-Waitee: oh no, I must've married a man then... why did no one tell me?! :(08:34
sharpneliStskeeps: Nice. No horrible crashes yet?08:34
Waiteei mean you can manually disable the safeboot whatever through bios08:34
Stskeepssharpneli: not so far08:34
WaiteeNicd-: bad luck :(08:34
WaiteeNicd-: if she told she's underage it's possible she's a female fbi officer08:35
Waiteethough unlikely08:35
Stskeepscos-: fwiw sailfish i486 port exists, as it's in emulator08:36
Waiteeheh unlike08:36
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Nicd-Waitee: I married an underage fbi officer?! and I though it couldn't get any worse08:36
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sharpneliStskeeps: Is there any noticeable perf difference in practical usage? I'd guess no in normal use.10:49
Stskeepssharpneli: hmm i am not 100% sure but i -think- so10:50
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coderusSilica.Theme help needed11:12
coderusi set background with Theme.setBackgroundImage11:13
coderushow to reset it to default?11:13
coderusthanks :D11:13
coderusblind me :D11:13
* Yaniel puts away the duck mask11:14
coderusbut i have another auestion for you11:22
coderusQML Image: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/icon-m-people11:22
coderusits not working with one component only11:23
coderusin other components its working11:23
coderusimport Sailfish.Silica 1.0 in place11:23
coderusmy mind is blown and i have no idea whats going on11:23
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BlueMagmaI'd would like to talk to someone from the harbour11:46
TheBootroo_workBlueMagma: o/11:46
StskeepsBlueMagma: developer care is probably best direction11:46
BlueMagmaBecause I think there must be a mistake11:47
BlueMagmaI just received :  Import 'Sailfish.Silica 1.0;' is not allowed11:47
Stskeepskontio: ^11:47
Stskeeps(or thp)11:47
BlueMagmawhich make no sense11:47
BlueMagmaI am issing something ?11:48
kontio; is not needed11:48
kontioI think that messes up the parsing11:48
Stskeepsthough is strictly speaking correct qml?11:48
TheBootroo_workkontio: shouldn't case rejection, it's correct QML and i use it all the time, no issue11:48
TheBootroo_workif it breaks harbour check, then your regexp is wrong11:49
BlueMagmaTheBootroo_work: Indeed11:49
TheBootroo_work  /import/s+Sailfish.Silica/s+1.0/s*;*/  is the way to go11:49
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kontiothere is no ; mentioned...11:50
kontioin the imports11:50
coderuslol, i resolved my image issue11:50
TheBootroo_workkontio: Qt doc is not a good example : they simply don't put ; when not mandatory11:50
TheBootroo_workbut not mandatory != wrong11:50
coderusif i set sourceSize images from theme not working :D11:50
TheBootroo_workfor my part, i ALWAYS put ; at end of lines in QML, old C++ reflex i guess11:51
BlueMagmayeah they don't even put it after property declaration11:51
TheBootroo_workand QML engine doesn't forbid it, simply not mandatory if nothing else on the same line11:51
BlueMagmawhich is imho bad behavior11:51
kontiosure we can fix that... but for the time being if you want to submit the app to harbour remove the ;11:51
TheBootroo_workBlueMagma: only time you'll see ; in Qt doc is for inline properties11:51
BlueMagmakontio: ok, I'll try that11:52
kontioBlueMagma: hmm no we should allow ; at the end... is there still some space at the end?11:54
TheBootroo_workkontio: if help is  needed with regexp, i'm here11:54
BlueMagmakontio: no there isn't11:55
kontioit should remove it in the sed11:55
kontio'^[[:space:]]*import[[:space:]]' should match...11:55
TheBootroo_workkontio: the sed line doesn't remove/ignore the trailing semicolon afaik11:57
TheBootroo_workbut bth, i don't really speak sed11:57
TheBootroo_workjs regexp powa11:57
TheBootroo_workkontio: from what i see  " Import 'Sailfish.Silica 1.0;' is not allowed  " mean  that ; is taken as part of the import name, which is obviously wrong11:58
kontioTheBootroo_work: agree... but the sed should cut if off... IMO but not sure why it does not... that line made me already a lot of headaches...11:59
kaltsiTheBootroo_work: what is your exact import line?12:01
TheBootroo_workkontio: the line lacks a  s/;//12:01
TheBootroo_workkaltsi: not mine12:01
TheBootroo_workkaltsi: BlueMagma ^12:01
kontio-e 's/;$//'12:02
kontiois there12:02
BlueMagmaTheBootroo_work: yes ?12:02
TheBootroo_workbut i use same as him, and my apps were approved last week12:02
kaltsiBlueMagma: what is the exact import line where you get the validator problem?12:02
TheBootroo_workBlueMagma: kaltsi ask for the exact faulty line ?12:02
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BlueMagmakaltsi: a lot of them all those with a ";"12:03
kaltsicould you copy paste one of them here12:03
TheBootroo_workkontio: my bad, didn't see it, as pastebin doesn't wordWrap12:03
kontioBlueMagma: or do you have the code somewhere in github?12:03
kontioso we can have a look at it?12:04
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kontioseems we don't have any import foo; line in our test cases...12:04
kaltsithanks.. nothing strange there12:05
TheBootroo_workBlueMagma: be happy, today will have helped in enhancing package QA for the community12:05
BlueMagmaTheBootroo_work: XD, yeah thanks to you and your ";"12:06
kaltsiBlueMagma: your sources pass the validation in my machine12:12
kaltsiBlueMagma: do you happen to work in windows?12:12
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kaltsithe problem is windows linefeeds I guess12:14
kaltsibecause if I convert that Tile.qml to windows format with 'unix2dos' then the checker script does not match correctly12:15
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TheBootroo_workkaltsi: BlueMagma uses linux12:15
kaltsiok.. but I get that problem if I do this.. without the conversion it passes12:15
TheBootroo_workbut maybe this time he packaged on windows12:15
BlueMagmaTheBootroo_work: yeah I'm at work12:16
BlueMagmaand I package at work on windows12:16
TheBootroo_workBlueMagma: well, windows fucked you hard this time12:16
TheBootroo_workand that explains why it worked for me : i NEVER used sdk on windows12:16
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coderus2048 game, cool, thanks BlueMagma :)13:10
coderusBlueMagma: one issue: hide pulldown when no items inside13:20
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BlueMagmacoderus: What do you mean ?14:02
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hoelzrowhat's the recommended practice for performing work in the background?  I have something number crunching on the main thread for 2.5 seconds, and I'd like to display a dialog for the user14:12
coderusBlueMagma: at first start i cant do anything unless change size14:15
coderusrestart game does nothing14:15
coderusand there are no grid and tiles14:15
BlueMagmacoderus: Seriously, It work with me14:17
coderusholkeri: what work in the background? does it painful to perform all queued opetations when activating application?14:18
coderusBlueMagma: remove storage file14:18
BlueMagmaAt first start, restartGame don't work ?14:18
coderusBlueMagma: and test then14:18
BlueMagmaI did, It was working perfectly fine14:18
coderus[nemo@Jolla ~]$ rm .local/share/harbour-2048/harbour-2048/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/8faf3790606b2c46b8bccdb319d82e30.ini14:19
coderus[nemo@Jolla ~]$ rm .local/share/harbour-2048/harbour-2048/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/8faf3790606b2c46b8bccdb319d82e30.sqlite14:19
coderusstart - no grid and no tiles14:19
BlueMagmacoderus: shit14:19
BlueMagmacoderus: I'll test again14:19
BlueMagmacoderus: thanks for the bugreport14:19
coderusit will appear after changing grid size14:19
BlueMagmacoderus: ho ok, I see why14:20
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meegobitHi everyone, I'm having a bit of trouble trying to deploy an RPM from sailfishSDK with a file in a custom location, it fails with a RPM build error file not found14:21
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meegobitI put the file and its path from root in the other files dir, and included its full path both in the project file and the yaml file (files section)14:21
meegobitcan you please help me, what's the proper way to do this?14:22
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coderusmeegobit: forgot to add to .pro?14:43
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meegobitcoderus: no, I put usr/lib/systemd/user/my.service in my .pro which is the exact path of the file in the project, also I added this line - '/usr/lib/systemd/user/%{name}.service'  to the .yaml14:57
meegobitthe error I get is: error: File not found: /home/deploy/installroot/usr/lib/systemd/user/my.service14:58
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coderusyour project named "my"?15:15
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coderusmeegobit: service.files = service/yourappname.service service.path = /usr/lib/systemd/user/yourappname.service INSTALLS += service15:18
meegobitI should add that line to .yaml file?15:19
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meegobitor .pro?15:21
coderusthis is for pro15:21
coderusin yaml just add /usr/lib/systemd/user/yourappname.service to files15:22
meegobitok, great, I'll try15:22
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BlueMagmacoderus: Merci pour le bug report, j'ai fix15:26
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BlueMagmacoderus: sorry for the french.. XD. So, thanks for the bugreports, I fixed it15:27
TheBootroo_workBlueMagma: well, you're fucked now, everyone here knows yo'15:27
TheBootroo_work*you are french15:28
TheBootroo_workbtw, harbour should have way to cancel a QA submission,15:28
BlueMagmajust like you are !15:28
TheBootroo_workBlueMagma: ssshh15:28
BlueMagmaTheBootroo_work: Agreed15:28
TheBootroo_workwhen we submit too fast and want to fix a little thing before an incomplete app gets validated and having to wait a couple of days further to get the hotfix15:29
TheBootroo_workoh and i still waiting for the stats on dashboard to be actually connected to the store15:29
TheBootroo_workquite annoying to go each week on each app in the store to check the stats and comments....15:30
TheBootroo_workalready annoying with 3 apps, what will it be when my 4 other apps will be submitted...15:30
TheBootroo_workthe risk is that i wait for it to be fixed before a publish any more app15:31
meegobitcoderus: It gives the same error -  file not found  /home/deploy/installroot/usr/lib/systemd/user/my.service15:33
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meegobitcoderus: It worked, I just needed to move my service file to the path suggested by your line, thanks a lot, you rock15:37
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coderusBlueMagma: okay, pulling for test :)15:57
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coderusmeegobit: good :)15:59
meegobitcoderus: do you by any chance now the .yaml syntax to enable that systemd service upon install? I think the .spec syntax is %systemd_post NAME.service16:00
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coderusBlueMagma: thanks for the  fix :)16:11
coderusyou should remove yaml then and edit directly spec file16:11
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coderusBlueMagma: and your game rules are different with original16:21
coderusyou should make it same (at least for sizes >= 4) or rename application :)16:21
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dwangoACI have some interesting test results on the Nexus 4, some of which are probably already known.  When a phonecall comes in and vibrate is enabled, it only vibrates once very briefly.  If you decline the call, it hangs up roughly on the person rather than sending to voicemail (at least with T-Mobile); it works OK if you let it ring until it gives up.16:29
StskeepsdwangoAC: hmmm16:30
dwangoACStskeeps: I can try updating call forwarding settings -16:31
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dwangoACStskeeps: It's supposed to forward to Google Voice16:31
Stskeepscan you compare RIL logs (logcat -b radio) of how we do it versus let's say android?16:31
dwangoAC(And was doing so properly before now)16:31
dwangoACStskeeps: Well, not sure how to get that information for Android, but I can get you what this phone says, one sec16:31
Stskeepsyou can through adb likely16:31
Stskeeps /usr/libexec/droid-hybris/system/bin/logcat -b radio16:32
Stskeepson sailfish16:32
dwangoACStskeeps: Sad story - my Galaxy S4 I was borrowing completely stopped booting, no idea why - I can get into its recovery partition but that's about it so I'll ahve to fight with that one16:32
Stskeepswell, samsung has pretty good total reflashability from recollection?16:32
dwangoACStskeeps: Yes, I'm sure I'll be able to recover, not sure how it got this bad though16:33
dwangoACStskeeps: It just locked up completely on Sunday night and gets really hot and won't boot now :)16:33
Stskeepsmobile devices are like sausages, you don't, ever want to see how they're made..16:33
dwangoACStskeeps: And, let me guess, now you know how they are made16:33
Stskeepsguess why i'm always posting about smartwatches16:33
dwangoACHmm... trying to SSH in is taking a very long time.. OK, I'm finally in16:34
dwangoACStskeeps: Are the smartwatches somehow designed in some other form other than sausages?16:34
Stskeepsthe industry deep amount of crazy is likely less16:34
dwangoACStskeeps: My experience as a test engineer working on everything from scanners, DVD burners, cameras, Blu-Ray authoring SDK's, and now telecommunications equipment has taught me that virtually all software projects fail the "sausage" test16:35
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dwangoACYou really don't want to see everything that went wrong before you got the software as an end-user :)16:35
StskeepsdwangoAC: CE certification (like FCC..) is fantastic too16:35
Stskeeps'this is a laptop, let's test it's electrical properties by making it constantly write 'H' to the screen, parallel port'16:35
dwangoACStskeeps: "fantastic" = completely beurocratic16:35
* tbr is happy about his smartwatch, it's got a µc in it, not much that can go wrong in there. the MSP430 doesn't need UEFI, ACPI or linux16:37
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Accewhich smartwatch? DIY?16:38
dwangoACStskeeps: Hmm..  OK, there's a lot of data here - first my wife called me and I answered, then she called me and I let it ring until it went to voicemail successfully, then she called me and I selected "decline" which immediately disconnected the phonecall for her, as if I had hung up.16:39
dwangoACStskeeps: Here's the log:
dwangoACtbr: As in, a Microchp processor?16:40
dwangoACtbr: Microchip brand, I should say?16:40
Accetbr: TI16:40
AccedwangoAC: ^16:40
AcceMSP430 is TI product16:40
tbrdwangoAC: metwawatch16:40
tbrit has a micro controller in it, a MSP430 by TI16:41
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dwangoACStskeeps: I'll see if I can figure out a way to get a working Android phone and I'll get back to you on what Android looks like with the same sequence, but it could be a day or two so I'm not sure that's worth it.16:43
dwangoACOff to work I go, AFK for a few minutes while in transit16:44
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Funkeh`is there info about the sailfish/jolla app store someplace? e.g. rules and regulations17:11
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Funkeh`Is the store as liberal as google play or is there some form of verification17:16
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tbrread the faq, link at the bottom17:18
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tbrFunkeh`: also note that there is a helper script in the SDK to vert your package and an active mailing list17:31
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Funkeh`I read the terms and is seems to signify that there is approval, which is what I was hoping for17:33
Funkeh`I'd like a store "safer" than Play17:33
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keithzgLiterally teh same day I was planning on flashing my Nexus 4, I finally drop it.17:51
keithzgScreen entirely shattered.17:51
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keithzgWent from without a scratch to completely unusable in a terrible, terrible instant :(17:51
keithzgSo still no SailfishOS on mobile data for me, le sigh.17:52
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javispedrothere are android devices with plastic screens :)17:56
keithzgAnd thus my N9 continues its long, long reign as my actual phone. Guess I'll have to buy another random Android phone or a standalone wifi hotspot to keep my Jolla itself connected too, then.17:56
javispedrowelcome to the club!17:57
* javispedro also uses n917:57
keithzgHeh yeah I had one of those plastic screen Android phones back in the day. It was . . . unpleasant. I understood then why folks hated resistive touchscreens (never quite understood the hate until then, since the N900's screen was actually fantastic in many regards).17:58
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keithzgYeah mine is getting a bit dire, since it won't let me take pictures anymore, so I should probably try to do a backup and reflash it, but otherwise my N9 is trucking along quite fine, still love it :)17:59
javispedrothere are capacitive plastic devices btw18:00
javispedroiirc lg made one not too long ago18:00
keithzghuh, fair enough18:01
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meegobittbr: wow, what are you thinking, sailfishWatch via meta?18:01
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javispedrowell, it was quite long ago, 2011 :)18:01
javispedrolg optimus v18:02
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javispedrocatched my attention back then18:02
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EztranI guess I can stop counting in my head now, then.18:03
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tbrmeegobit: I'm still thinking of making SOwatch work with Jolla18:11
javispedrosorry for that18:16
javispedrotbr: btw, I still don't know how would the "render QML to a pixmap" part would be done -- did you have any idea in mind for that?18:20
Stskeepsyou can always ask sletta18:23
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Stskeeps(who left 20 mins ago), him being the current qt/qml rendering wizard with jolla18:24
Accejavispedro: if you find out, I'm also interested in that18:24
jpnurmiSay hello to QQuickItem::grabToImage() -,7233818:25
javispedrobleeding edge18:26
Accejpnurmi: is it already implemented in 5.2?18:26
jpnurmiAcce: nope, not yet even merged but targeting 5.418:27
Acceok, great to know! So I can postpone the project that needs it until 5.4 :)18:27
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javispedrowell, my hacky alternative was to create a platform plugin =)18:29
javispedroI suspect that by the time optima finishes with my jolla it'll be already 5.4 =)18:30
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faenilor you can just copy the code from that commit? (provided it doesn't use anything private, ofc) :D18:31
javispedroi'm sure it does, I tried hard to find a way without getting to private headers.18:31
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javispedrohm, wait a sec.18:34
javispedrojpnurmi: I see your patch also depends on the item being on a QQuickView, is that correct?18:35
javispedrohow is it different from QQuickView::grabWindow then?18:35
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javispedrooh, grabToImage can be called from JS, I see.18:37
faenilwell, I guess this grabs an Item (and its children) while the other one grabs the whole window? :)18:37
javispedrowell, that too :)18:37
Accethe grapwindow also cannot grap what is outside the window, which would be nice if you want to grap a large item in a flickable for example18:38
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faenilgood point18:39
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javispedrothis was (and still is) terribly buggy in qt4.x because of different render paths for qdeclarativeview and "the rest"18:41
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javispedroaccounts for many of the glitches that some times appear in sowatch (e.g. ListViews that scroll and don't clear the background)18:41
immotuswould the specs on this phone make it a good candidate for Sailfish?
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Stskeepsgood evening Venemo18:42
Venemohey Stskeeps good evening to you too :)18:42
Venemohow are you? :)18:42
jpnurmijavispedro: it's not my patch :)18:42
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StskeepsVenemo: i'm good, day off tomorrow18:43
Stskeepsimmotus: no18:43
Stskeepsimmotus: cm10.1 or higher ability18:43
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VenemoStskeeps: yeah it's some national holiday here too18:43
immotusStskeeps:   "cm" ?18:44
javispedroStskeeps, it does run cm11, seemingly18:44
Venemoimmotus: cyanogen mod18:44
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Stskeepsjavispedro: really? i saw cm7 max18:45
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immotusStskeeps, javispedro: bummer.. confirmed cm 7.2  (
immotusunless the wiki page is out of date :^)18:47
* immotus hopes it is18:47
javispedrooh, I probably confused it18:47
immotusI guess I'll have to get a new phone then.. that may take awhile :^)18:48
immotusmaybe by the time I'm ready Jolla will be selling in the US :^)18:48
javispedroif htc vision == htc desire z this seems to be jelly bean for it:18:50
javispedroerr no18:50
immotusjavispedro: looks like vision is the codename for the HTC Desire Z18:51
javispedrolow specs though, albeit nice keyboard.18:52
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immotusjavispedro: yeah.. when I have to upgrade I'll miss the keyboard18:52
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immotusso, if my phone does end up supporting the latest cyanogenmod, do I install CM, then install SailfishOS ?18:53
Stskeepsplus a bit of a detour through the HADK18:54
immotusHackers Advanced Deception Kit ?18:54
immotusHelium Airfilters Drying Kelp ?18:54
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StskeepsHardware Adaptation Development Kit18:55
Stskeepswill come later on18:55
immotusoh, okay18:56
immotusya'lls work on SailfishOS is very much appreciated, btw :^)18:57
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immotusdoes Jolla's phone do any major customization of the SailfishOS?  Or can I trust that the previews of the Jolla phone pretty much match the user experience of SailfishOS ?18:58
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Stskeepsit's pretty much 1:1 at the moment, but, be aware that sailfishos for android devices doesn't include currently: HERE maps, mp3 codecs/av codecs, android runtime, predictive input method18:59
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immotusStskeeps: good to know.  and (in hindsight) it makes sense that those would be missing19:00
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immotusStskeeps: not having HERE maps might be a deal-breaker for my phone hacking attempt.. I haven't had much luck with Open Street Map19:01
keithzgWait wait, is there an OSM client for Sailfish yet? Huh, I totally missed that.19:02
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piggzimmotus: Stskeeps: im attempting to port ubuntu to htc desire hd (ace) official cm is 7.1, however repos exist for 10.1 and 11, and its very well supported19:10
piggzmaybe you can find repos with better support19:11
Stskeepsnod, just noting that unofficial cyanogenmod ports add to the pain19:11
piggzStskeeps: what is the procedure for building sailfish for an android easy?19:12
piggzubuntu build process seems well-ish documented (not working tho!)19:12
Stskeepspiggz: it comes with the HADK that comes when .. :P19:12
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Eztranpiggz: Hardware Adaptation Development Kit, apparently.19:14
piggzbrb, rebooting for new kernel19:15
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immotuskeithzg: I just kind've assumed there was an OSM client for sailfish since it is one of the best free map sources available.   I don't even know where to check online what apps are available for Sailfish :^)19:24
EztranHarbour doesn't have a web client yet, unfortunately. OpenRepos does, even if you'd rather not use it it's still a decent way of getting an idea.19:30
immotusEztran: thanks!  I'll check out OpenRepos19:31
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immotuskeithzg: looks like there is at least one map viewer that works with OSM..
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fluxis it a component?19:42
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immotusflux: if you're asking me, I have no idea :^)19:59
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fluxwell, it looks like it's not :)20:03
fluxbut I should some day release the mjpeg-streaming app - with the streaming component as a separate component..20:04
immotuswhat is a "component" in this context?20:10
fluxsomething one can easily embed in another application, of course20:11
fluxpreferably in the form of a QML component perhaps20:11
immotusah, okay20:11
flux(say, if someone were to write a GPS tracking app..)20:12
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immotusflux: QML sounds like fun.  Are there any games for learning QML ?  :^)20:58
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Yanielga- what21:04
Yanielanyway QML is pretty close to HTML+javascript21:05
Acceimmotus: not exactly, but I'd say go through the tutorials in the docs21:05
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artemmaQML is sorta HTML if it was invented for buttons and rectangles and app UIs, not for text flows :)21:06
Accejust like Yaniel says, but QML is 100 times more intuitive compared to HTML+CSS21:06
Yanielartemma: you're saying....21:07
YanielQML is like HTML designed for web apps?21:07
artemmamore for mobile apps though21:07
immotusQML does seem to be becoming pervasive.  Probably worth learning if I want to write any simple user-interface stuff21:07
* artemma isn't sure he'd choose qml for exactly a web app, html might suite better21:08
Acceartemma: sure, but I'd love qml in web21:08
Acceweb apps are often used in mobile lately anyways21:08
Acceand webpages are becoming more like interactive apps21:08
artemmaoh, for mobile facebook app, I'd use QML just fine and possibly it could be quite efficient21:08
artemmafor on desktops - not sure21:09
artemmaeh, it's a pity there's very little effort in making Qt looking native on iOS and Android21:09
artemmait seems those who are after porting are more into enterprise apps that will be used regardless of whether they look real native21:10
immotusonce a QML app is written for Sailfish would it be pretty simple to port it to KDE?21:10
Accewell, I don't see what you could do with html+css and not with qml.. maybe you would need to implement something like the Silica Theme object to enable personal styles though21:10
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artemmaAcce: think about running in a multitude of platforms with own standards. Also for exactly long text flows -> html was made for it and QML wasn't21:11
Acceimmotus: fairly simple, I'd say21:11
artemmaimmotus: yes and no. In general official QML motto is that it's so easy to rewrite, that you can just scrap UI from one platform and rewrite for another one21:12
artemmasure it means it's a good idea to separate logic from the look a little21:12
Acceartemma: that's not a problem, if the qml is rendered using html21:12
artemmaand then you know. Sailfish UI is quite different from KDE anyway21:12
immotusartemma: so the QML should focus on the presentation, not necessarily data manipulation?21:13
artemmaimmotus: in theory yes. In practice.. I find that it is indeed easy to simply rewrite if your code is modular enough21:13
* artemma did it as single shots only though, no long term support for parallel UIs21:14
Accenot sure if this implementation just renders everything on a canvas, but it works quite nicely21:15
artemma502 Bad Gateway - I guess it describes project status well :)21:15
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artemmaah, works now21:15
artemmarendering QML in HTML is.. not a walk in the park. And.. how much sense is there without C++ object injection?21:16
Accemuch? there's no C++ object injection in HTML5 either21:16
Acceand QML is exposed by it's nature21:17
Acceas is html521:17
* artemma is thinking of whether he'd use it for a real web site21:17
Accewe can never know, unless the implementation gets better support for more components :)21:18
immotusmight be a neat way to showcase or preview simple QML apps from a website before deciding to install21:18
artemmawell.. maybe modern browsers are powerful enough for qml animations and stuff..21:18
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artemmabut still, native buttons, text areas, etc going to be a challenge probably21:18
artemmaand then a wild zoo of mobile browsers21:19
Accecan you access that?21:19
artemmaAccess forbidden!21:19
Accehmm.. oh yeah, it's vhost, wait a sec21:20
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Acceanyways, it's just little something I made quickly to test the implementation21:22
artemmastill 40321:23
artemmawell, I think it's a very noble project21:23
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artemmaand probably possible, well, to the extent that it's usable21:23
Acceit's just something I wrote quickly to test how well it works21:24
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Acceanyways, looks like the project is going slowly21:24
artemmaI just don't think I would go for it myself: feels like too complex and then all this browser hell to be debug through yet another presentation layer21:24
Acceand there are 100x more html5 web application coders than qml coders21:24
Accewell, you can debug it with qmlscene21:25
artemmaoh, no, I mean very different thing :)21:25
* artemma 's daily business is a lot about debugging complex html5 issues specific to specific browsers21:25
artemmaI mean things like: why on earth button expands to whole screen exactly in Android 2.3 browser21:26
Accewell, if you render on a canvas, lot of that would be gone21:26
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Acceanyways, uploaded to another place:
artemmathat automatically makes text unselectable, doesn't it?21:26
Accethe animation is quite smooth on my pc21:26
Accehmm, that's right, so canvas isn't the holy grail21:27
artemmagood enough for games21:27
artemmathough then you'll get into need to play media and comms with servers21:28
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artemmademo is cool21:32
artemmadaunting project IMO, but if succeeds, that'd be real cool21:32
Acceyeah, and dead simple to write.. but with all the browsers being so incompatible and everything, I guess it's going to take a long, long time21:33
artemmawell, maybe if you focus on a specific area first21:33
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artemmasuch as 2D games in modern desktop browsers21:34
artemmaor the other way around: facebook-style mobile web app21:34
artemmathat would probably be of bigger practical use as supporting all the weird Androids is tough and QML is made especially well for small screen layouts and dynamics21:35
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