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| ericcc | hello | 10:00 |
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| * vgrade lifts the lid on more android internals he was not expecting to know about | 12:54 | |
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| ballock | how do I enable the developer mode without GUI? | 13:08 |
| ballock | ok, different one then: how can I check which piece of **** is changing my /sys/class/android_usb/android0 settings from rndis to mtp? | 13:16 |
| vgrade | hi ballock | 13:19 |
| ballock | g'day to you, sir | 13:19 |
| tbr | ballock: that should be usb-moded IIRC | 13:20 |
| ballock | looks like so, but /etc/usb-moded/dyn-modes has only developer_mode-android.ini | 13:20 |
| ballock | so not much alternatives | 13:21 |
| ericcc | I'm looking for instructions (or some sort of guidence) for installing SailfishOS on my c8600 url :http://www.gsmchoice.com/en/catalogue/huawei/c8600/Huawei-C8600.html | 13:21 |
| ericcc | could andbody help me? | 13:21 |
| tbr | that is likely waaay too old | 13:21 |
| tbr | or rather too old to be usable | 13:22 |
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| tbr | Nexus4 is a good target | 13:22 |
| ballock | where is usb_moded controlled from? | 13:23 |
| ericcc | oh not .thanks tbr | 13:23 |
| ballock | I'm trying to figure out this systemd | 13:23 |
| ballock | new stuff, well.. | 13:24 |
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| ballock | I managed to build the droid-hal packages with archos/cm build and swapped them with those of 1.0.4 | 13:25 |
| ballock | now I get a blank screen, booting to /init-debug gets me a telnet session for a couple of seconds, then the connection changes to mtp | 13:26 |
| ballock | and then I can carelessly look at the filesystem | 13:26 |
| ballock | which I could do anyway, as it's on an SD card | 13:27 |
| tbr | :) | 13:27 |
| ballock | but no command access | 13:27 |
| ballock | if only journalct was writing to /var/log or something | 13:27 |
| tbr | you could disable usbmoded? | 13:27 |
| tbr | systemd can do persistent logging | 13:27 |
| ballock | do you think it's the one that changes stuff? | 13:27 |
| ballock | it's got no profiles other than the dev mode... | 13:28 |
| ballock | how do I turn it on? | 13:28 |
| ballock | I mean persistent logging? | 13:28 |
| tbr | I'm sure it's on TJC among other places | 13:28 |
| ballock | ok | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | disab:e usbmodef | 13:28 |
| vgrade | etc/systemd/systemd.conf I think | 13:29 |
| vgrade | ballock: for persistent logging | 13:29 |
| ballock | Storage=volatile to = persistent? | 13:30 |
| ballock | I could not also find the systemd stuff for usb_moded | 13:30 |
| ballock | Stskeeps: where's that? | 13:30 |
| ballock | usb_moded seems to be listed as a dependency, but not as a service | 13:31 |
| ballock | neither in /etc/systemd nor in /lib/systemd | 13:31 |
| ballock | I guess there's some more magic in there, just can't see it yet | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: rpm -e it | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | usbmoded | 13:34 |
| ballock | well, I just looked at /lib/systemd/system in my Jolla and on my archos build | 13:35 |
| ballock | and usb-moded.service is only on my Jolla device | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok good | 13:35 |
| ballock | no? | 13:35 |
| ballock | might it be that it is changed by sth from the android build? | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | Then mv /sbin/droid-hal-init /sbin/droid-hal-init.fail | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | if that helps | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | remove usb.rc include in init.rc | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | and init.yourdevice.rc | 13:37 |
| ballock | I found android_usb string in /system/bin/vold /system/framework/services.odex and in /system/lib/libaosprecovery.so | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | look at /*.rc instead | 13:38 |
| ballock | I I've been there, removed some stuff already... | 13:39 |
| ballock | there was init.archosa80sboard.rc which changed to mtp | 13:39 |
| ballock | but I removed those | 13:39 |
| ballock | and init.usb.rc sets stuff depending on property:sys.usb.config | 13:40 |
| ballock | ...and init.usb.rc seems not to be sourced (?) from init.rc | 13:40 |
| ballock | I'm just renaming the file, just for the sake of it | 13:41 |
| ballock | will see | 13:41 |
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| ballock | well, renaming usb.rc to .old didn't help | 13:44 |
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| Acce | hmm.. why aren't nested positioners working correctly inside a ListItem? | 13:51 |
| Acce | If I have a Column { Row { Item{} Item{} } Label {} Label {} } it works | 13:51 |
| Acce | but if I put the Labels into Row { Column { Label {} Label {} } } it doesn't | 13:52 |
| Acce | (and I want to do it to put few more labels in another column to the right of the first Labels) | 13:53 |
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| ballock | Stskeeps: after removing all the android_usb stanzas from /*.rc it worked (I think( | 13:59 |
| ballock | so I'm diving on | 13:59 |
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| ballock | the system seems roasted. I am wondering what went wrong... | 15:09 |
| ballock | looking at systemctl -f which I ran during bootup and which produced a segfault in this way at some point | 15:09 |
| ballock | I would guess there is some issue with hybris... | 15:10 |
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| ballock | but then it's not linked from systemd... | 15:10 |
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| ballock | /dev is kinda empty | 15:10 |
| ballock | the process list is too | 15:11 |
| ballock | aside kernel threads, there's pid 1 /sbin/init --log-level=debug --log-target=kmsg | 15:12 |
| ballock | /bin/busybox-static udhcpd | 15:12 |
| ballock | (which gave me a wrong IP address) | 15:12 |
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| ballock | /bin/busybox-static telnetd -p 2323 -l /bin/sh | 15:12 |
| ballock | (which I'm using to see ps) | 15:12 |
| ballock | /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd and /lib/systemd/systemd-journald | 15:13 |
| ballock | journalctl is flooded with: | 15:13 |
| ballock | systemd-cgroups-agent[249]: Failed to open /dev/kmsg for logging: No such file or directory | 15:13 |
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| ballock | which is obviously due to not mounted udev | 15:13 |
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| ballock | humm... I know systemd features lazy execution thanks to listening on Unix sockets | 15:16 |
| ballock | but it's just too lazy | 15:16 |
| ballock | I mounted /dev by hand but now I have /dev listed twice in /proc/mounts | 15:18 |
| ballock | oh, sorry - it's mentioned 3 times there | 15:19 |
| ballock | I feel like I'm in a container of some sort, but that's unlikely | 15:19 |
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| immotus | Stskeeps: you were right, My HTC Desire Z does not support the latest version of Cyanogenmod (http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Vision_Info). No sailfish for me :^| | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | immotus: sorry - it may be possible with a lot of grease but it won't be easy | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | i've put Sailfish on a ICS base at some point | 16:21 |
| immotus | Stskeeps: I was willing to put in some grease.. but not a lot of grease :^) | 16:21 |
| * immotus reflects on his priorites | 16:21 | |
| Stskeeps | this is like mcdonalds resturant container grease | 16:21 |
| immotus | Stskeeps: tasty and fun? ;^) | 16:22 |
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| vgrade | immotus: tastes good at the time but you regret it later | 17:30 |
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| immotus | vgrade: :^) | 17:36 |
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| vgrade | immotus: did you try evervolve, I used their jb repos for the passion as cm stopped support before ics | 17:38 |
| SmarteX | Hello! I've just downloaded the SailfishOS beta2 for the mako | 17:39 |
| immotus | vgrade: I've never used an alternate ROM for a phone before | 17:39 |
| SmarteX | I was wondering if WLAN wasn't working for me, or everyone hasn't got it working | 17:39 |
| vgrade | immotus: ok | 17:39 |
| vgrade | SmarteX: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris says its working | 17:40 |
| SmarteX | I can turn it on (via favourites) but it isn't on on the specific WLAN settings page | 17:41 |
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| SmarteX | Is there any way to remove the "Sailfish is dev software. Product is not final" watermark? | 17:44 |
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| coderus | SmarteX: congratulations, you 9000th who asked ths question. Please write your email and special top secret confidential instructions will be sent to you! | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | SmarteX: you need to flash 4.2.2, the cyanogenmod, then sailfishos | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | SmarteX: watermark is likely gone in next version | 17:55 |
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| SmarteX | Sorry bro | 18:00 |
| SmarteX | coderus: Is there any way to use USB MTP? | 18:00 |
| SmarteX | Ah thanks | 18:01 |
| SmarteX | So I have to download the 4.2.2 THEN flash cm | 18:01 |
| SmarteX | not directly | 18:01 |
| SmarteX | So WiFi and USB will work? Thank you very much! | 18:01 |
| coderus | sorry for sarcasm btw :) | 18:05 |
| coderus | i dont think mtp is supported (fully?) in Sailfish | 18:06 |
| coderus | most of crowd are linux users and we're just using ssh with no problems. | 18:06 |
| dwangoAC | OK, some other interesting Nexus 4 beta results - syncing two calendars seems to cause times to get very, very wrong | 18:07 |
| * satmd wonders about ntpd for sailfish os | 18:07 | |
| dwangoAC | I also locked the phone and then when I tried to unlock it and swipe from bottom to top it made the view "hop" up and immediately pull back down, I finally resorted to a power-cycle | 18:08 |
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| dwangoAC | Turning vibration on on phonecalls only vibrates once at the beginning of the call, but I think that's a known issue. | 18:08 |
| coderus | SmarteX: but you need to ask somebody other , because i'm just guessing | 18:08 |
| dwangoAC | On the plus side, I installed FBReader and successfully read several chapters an E-Book, although I *really* wanted to make that watermark go away :) | 18:08 |
| dwangoAC | FBReader worked well, although volume keys did not turn pages as expected. | 18:09 |
| dwangoAC | I'm now using the Nexus 4 + Sailfish as my primary phone | 18:09 |
| coderus | dwangoAC: just be patiend or garb a time machine :) | 18:09 |
| coderus | patient* | 18:09 |
| coderus | grab* | 18:09 |
| dwangoAC | coderus: I'm a test engineer by trade, i.e. a beta tester :) | 18:09 |
| dwangoAC | coderus: I'm used to working on stuff far more broken than this | 18:10 |
| coderus | to mmany typos, nned to sleep :D | 18:10 |
| coderus | need* :D | 18:10 |
| dwangoAC | coderus: My job is to report my experience, good or bad, although I suspect I should be doing this in a different way | 18:10 |
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| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: OK, I'm now fairly familiar with the new face of Maemo (i.e. I'm now comfortable moving around Sailfish, although I desparately miss my hardware keyboard). Is there something specific I can help you test, other than providing general "this isn't working quite right" feedback? | 18:18 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: The problem is that I can't use WLAN on the Nexus 4, else I'd use SSH (I use Linux too) | 18:21 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: I couldn't either - | 18:21 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: I had skipped the step of starting with Android 4.2.2 | 18:21 |
| SmarteX | Me too | 18:22 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: So I started over and went from Android 4.2.2 (instead of 4.4.2) to cm to Sailfish and it *still* didn't work until I tried to perform an action that needed to go online | 18:22 |
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| dwangoAC | SmarteX: Then I was able to go to WLAN, pull down to say Connect to Internet and it finally showed networks for me | 18:22 |
| SmarteX | I'll grab the 4.2.2 occam image | 18:22 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: Yeah, it's unfortunately a requirement, otherwise firmware doesn't line up | 18:23 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Have you tried to install the Jolla Store rpm? | 18:23 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: Not yet, should I? :) | 18:23 |
| dwangoAC | My understanding was that it was *not* supported, and even stated so in the release notes | 18:23 |
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| SmarteX | dwangoAC: I need to install WhatsApp | 18:24 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: And it's a RPM (people install them not with the package manager, but rather with the Jolla Store) | 18:25 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: I don't do FaceBook / WhatsApp / Twitter / Google+ / any other social networky thingie (heck, I don't even really do Github), but that's just me | 18:25 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: I've been using pkcon for all my .rpm installation needs | 18:25 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: And haven't yet needed the store | 18:25 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: also miss Android Compatibility layer. What's the correct syntax for pkcon? | 18:26 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: pkcon install-local .rpmpath | 18:26 |
| dwangoAC | whatever path your .rpm is located at | 18:26 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: I'd love to have the android compatibility layer, if it worked | 18:26 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: I do have a few Humble Bundle games I'd love to play with. :) | 18:26 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: Oh, one other thing - I'm noticing that the phone is getting hot at the top of the phone when using it on a 3G area phone call | 18:27 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Me too. I also miss Geometry Dash | 18:27 |
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| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Is there any place to download the firmware without downloading the entire image? | 18:29 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: Tried that, didn't work | 18:29 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: I tried replacing the baseband with 0.33 and got nothing | 18:29 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Aww that's bad :( | 18:29 |
| SmarteX | Does the music app happen to work? | 18:30 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: You can look around on xda forums for other baseband radio firmware images, you might get lucky and find the real 4.2.2 raw firmware | 18:30 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: Yes, with ogg files :) | 18:30 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: No .mp3 support | 18:30 |
| SmarteX | My entire library will take a while to convert | 18:30 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: Um.. mp3 support is coming, just not in this build | 18:30 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: I read that | 18:30 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: 3G is working, right? | 18:31 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Is there any emulator on Sailfish (gameboy, psx, etc...)? | 18:32 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: You're a bit too far ahead here :) | 18:33 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: Look around openrepo | 18:33 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: I like to dream haha :) | 18:34 |
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| dwangoAC | Heh - it's OK | 18:34 |
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| SmarteX | dwangoAC: SailfishOS is much better than Android and especially than Ubuntu Touch | 18:35 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: That's a subjective opinion that I happen to agree with, but why do you say that now? :) | 18:36 |
| SmarteX | It's just an opinion on an unfinished software which happens to work just like it should as an official release (ok, we still lack some basic things.. But it wouldn't be funny to test it!) | 18:37 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: I need Bluetooth support to really be able to keep going as my full-time phone, other than that it's very close for me. | 18:39 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Openrepos is filled with maemo software (which isn't Sailfish OS native, I suppose) | 18:40 |
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| dwangoAC | SmarteX: Filter on Sailfish | 18:41 |
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| SmarteX | Do I have to wipe system partition while installing CM10.1.3? | 18:45 |
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| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Why are there loads of people if they do not chat? | 18:51 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: That's very common | 18:52 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: I'm on 24/7 | 18:52 |
| Allavaz | that's called idling | 18:52 |
| SmarteX | Allavaz: I know it | 18:52 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: And, yes, you *will* wipe when installing 4.2.2, then you should wipe before CM10 and Sailfish | 18:52 |
| dwangoAC | (both) | 18:52 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Aww I forgot to wipe system | 18:52 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: guess I'll do it now | 18:53 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Then reflash cm & sailfish | 18:53 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: At least it's fast | 18:53 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Yeah | 18:53 |
| SmarteX | Are Android kernels compatible with Sailfish? | 18:54 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: You misunderstand. :) | 18:55 |
| dwangoAC | SmarteX: Sailfish is its own OS. | 18:55 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: I know it is a different OS | 18:56 |
| SmarteX | What's hybris? | 18:56 |
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| Morpog_PC | a glibc to bionic wrapper | 18:58 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Does it happen to you to have your mako teporarily freeze when entering about & dev? I think I read it somewhere | 18:58 |
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| SmarteX | Morpog_PC: isn't bionic an android system library? | 18:59 |
| Morpog_PC | thats why it's a wrapper :D | 18:59 |
| SmarteX | Morpog_PC: Haha right xD | 18:59 |
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| SmarteX | Sailfish is battery friendly | 19:02 |
| Morpog_PC | yep, my jolla lives sooooo long :D | 19:03 |
| SmarteX | I'm on a mako xD | 19:03 |
| Morpog_PC | better than android? | 19:04 |
| Morpog_PC | battery drain? | 19:04 |
| SmarteX | Yeah | 19:04 |
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| SmarteX | It lasts much more | 19:04 |
| SmarteX | mako isn't booting (stays at Google logo D:) | 19:05 |
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| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Do you browse reddit? | 19:09 |
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| gartral | hello all, I'm setting up the IDE and when it says it can only read from the User $HOME, it doesn't tell you how to seperate the additional folders you want it to read from.. are they just comma seperated? | 19:11 |
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| SmarteX | gartral: Are you using Linux? | 19:11 |
| gartral | SmarteX: yep | 19:12 |
| gartral | and i said IDE, oops, meat SDK | 19:13 |
| SmarteX | gartral: Aw.. I've never run the SDK on Linux, only on Windows... I think it uses ; | 19:13 |
| SmarteX | not comma | 19:13 |
| gartral | really.. | 19:13 |
| dwangoAC | AFK, work | 19:14 |
| SmarteX | dwangoAC: Cya | 19:14 |
| SmarteX | gartral: The linux machine isn't working for me, and I'm using a crappy Windows 8.1 laptop | 19:14 |
| gartral | ewww, win8 | 19:16 |
| SmarteX | gartral: I hate it. It's slow, crappy and definitely hard to use | 19:16 |
| gartral | windows 8 (any windows, really) was designed for morons, and actively discourages people from developing... | 19:17 |
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| SmarteX | gartral: The only nice thing is VS Express... But Winzozz isn't worth it | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | dwangoAC: sorry, i'll try to get back to you at another point, watching movie with wife | 19:27 |
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| * gartral isn't sure about this interface >.> | 19:32 | |
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| immotus | Stskeeps: hey.. looks like someone was able to get cm10.1 to run on an HTC Desire Z after all! I have hope again :^) | 19:46 |
| immotus | Stskeeps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuyaN5oCT2s | 19:46 |
| gartral | this seems like it will be a royal headache to automate builds for x.x | 19:48 |
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| SmarteX | How can I take a screenshot? | 20:32 |
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| meetingcpp | http://blog.hardcodes.de/articles/83/secure-passwords-on-sailfishos-grandfather-tell-me-a-story < worth reading | 20:53 |
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| SmarteX | Guys, can someone tell me a fast way to share files between mako and PC? | 21:07 |
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| SmarteX | No one? | 21:09 |
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| stephg | SmarteX: gdevening | 21:11 |
| stephg | do you want a screenshot or to share files | 21:11 |
| SmarteX | Both, I need to take screens of the device and to be able to do MTP-like file sharing | 21:11 |
| stephg | for screenshots try https://together.jolla.com/question/39930/howto-take-a-screenshot-from-the-command-line/ | 21:12 |
| SmarteX | Oh, and I don't have access to Jolla Store | 21:12 |
| stephg | caveat there though insofar as I tried that on a jolla this afternoon and it didn't work | 21:12 |
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| stephg | in principle that's what you need | 21:12 |
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| stephg | SmarteX you're on an n4 right? | 21:13 |
| SmarteX | stephg: Yep | 21:13 |
| stephg | as to file transfer | 21:13 |
| stephg | so the n4 behaves like a jolla with developer mode enabled | 21:13 |
| stephg | so you can ssh into it over wifi or via USB | 21:13 |
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| SmarteX | How can I transfer files via SSH? | 21:14 |
| stephg | what are you wanting to transfer from? the computer I mean, windows/mac/linux etc | 21:14 |
| stephg | ? | 21:14 |
| SmarteX | Windows, I need to transfer ogg files and some pictures too | 21:15 |
| stephg | kk | 21:16 |
| stephg | download winscp | 21:16 |
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| stephg | programme-wise that's all you need | 21:16 |
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| stephg | once you have that next question is whether you're trying via the usb or wireless | 21:17 |
| SmarteX | I've installed it | 21:17 |
| SmarteX | USB | 21:17 |
| stephg | if the latter, on the jolla either launch fingerterm and run ifconfig to get the ip address of wlan0 | 21:17 |
| stephg | if USB, it potentially gets more interesting | 21:17 |
| stephg | ok so which version of Windows | 21:18 |
| SmarteX | 8.1 | 21:18 |
| SmarteX | The crappy windows 8.1 | 21:18 |
| stephg | ok so I'm now flying blind as I've not tried with any windows but it should still work | 21:18 |
| SmarteX | If it's that hard I can use wireless too, it's just slower | 21:19 |
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| stephg | dunno how hard it is, and in principle is exactly the same as all you're doing is logging into the ssh server on the phone | 21:19 |
| stephg | question is | 21:19 |
| stephg | what windows does when you plug it in | 21:19 |
| stephg | the phone is running a dhcp server | 21:19 |
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| stephg | and it should announce it's USB as a network | 21:20 |
| SmarteX | Nothing, only the classic da-ding sound | 21:20 |
| stephg | on linux that works, (though you have to do a manual step after that) but I have no idea about windows | 21:20 |
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| Yaniel | winscp is the answer | 21:21 |
| stephg | Yaniel and it automagically detects usbnet? | 21:22 |
| Yaniel | IIRC you just have to assign the PC an IP address on that interface | 21:22 |
| Yaniel | manually | 21:22 |
| stephg | ^^ SmarteX | 21:22 |
| SmarteX | How can I do that? | 21:23 |
| stephg | your N4's IP is 192.168.2.1 so anything else in that /24 (i.e. 192.168.2.2-254) will work | 21:23 |
| Yaniel | no idae how win8.1 looks like | 21:24 |
| stephg | if it's like win7 control panel network and sharing and then, er, um | 21:24 |
| Yaniel | but on win7 it was something like control panel -> network & sharing center -> network adapters -> usb -> properties | 21:24 |
| stephg | that ^^ | 21:24 |
| stephg | ;) | 21:24 |
| SmarteX | Can't find that... Guess I'll try wirelessly | 21:28 |
| SmarteX | Thanks anyway guys | 21:28 |
| stephg | with wireless it's easy, once you have the IP address | 21:28 |
| stephg | launch winscp, log into it with the same creds (nemo/rootme) with either scp or sftp and copy your files | 21:28 |
| stephg | just like anything else | 21:29 |
| stephg | anyway gluck | 21:29 |
| SmarteX | Access denied. | 21:30 |
| SmarteX | Did it! Thanks stephg Yaniel | 21:30 |
| stephg | cool | 21:30 |
| SmarteX | I feel like an idiot not being able to ssh into a phone :/ | 21:31 |
| stephg | hey it's windows fault, not yours ;) | 21:31 |
| stephg | and on android you don't get an ssh daemon by default and on ios, well, nevermind ;) | 21:32 |
| SmarteX | on android the only way to connect wirelessly was adb | 21:33 |
| stephg | didn't know adb worked over wifi | 21:35 |
| SmarteX | adb connect <ip> | 21:36 |
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