Tuesday, 2014-05-27

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[deXter]Hi all02:45
[deXter]Does anyone know how to disable or delete usb0?02:46
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coderuswhat are you talking about?03:42
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[deXter]coderus, https://together.jolla.com/question/43836/bug-usb0-causing-wifi-to-fail-due-to-ip-conflict/03:48
coderus/sbin/ifconfig usb0 down?03:49
[deXter]Tried that already03:51
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coderusopen devmode settings and change ip?04:08
[deXter]coderus, I tried that, it automatically reverts to
coderusit shouldnt04:17
coderusso anyway down usb0 interface should work04:17
coderuswhy you say its not working?04:18
[deXter]it takes the if down but it doesn't update the routing table04:18
coderusjust reconnect to wifi should help after04:18
[deXter]I already tried04:19
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coderusseems you donig something wrong initially04:19
coderusjust wait for finland to wake up and help you :)04:19
[deXter]It's 7:20 AM lol04:20
* [deXter] pokes Finland04:20
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squiddit might be 7.29 but its still early04:29
squiddfinland needs coffee04:30
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[deXter]fair enough :)04:31
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[deXter]Hi folks07:48
Nicd-hello [deXter]07:48
[deXter]How do I download files from webserver using the browser? There's no "save as" or "download" option..07:49
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Nicd-try long tapping on the link. there were some options, I don't remember which07:50
[deXter]I did07:50
[deXter]There's like Share, Open in New Tab, Copy to clipboard07:50
[deXter]It seems to be some sort of an issue with the mime types07:51
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[deXter]I can download flac files, for eg by just clicking on it. If I download a .opus, it just plays it directly in the browser. If I click on an m4a or mp3, it just crashes the browser with no error message.07:52
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tatis there any documentation on the silfish sdk apart of the silicia stuff ?07:54
Nicd-what do you need?07:54
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saidinesh5also can someone point me to the source code of Sailfish's Virtual Keyboard?07:55
tatwell nfc communiciation07:55
Nicd-saidinesh5: I know it uses maliit07:55
saidinesh5Nicd-: heh i know that :P07:55
Nicd-tat: the NFC in jolla is only for TOH identification07:56
saidinesh5i was hoping to I would get something that Sailfish uses directly so that i don't  have to rewrite the same code again07:56
tatwell so i cant access the pn532 or whatever is used07:56
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saidinesh5finally got maliiit to compile and run on desktop07:56
Nicd-tat: I don't know, that is not documented I think07:56
Stskeepstat: pn54407:57
Nicd-saidinesh5: have you looked at https://github.com/nemomobile?07:57
saidinesh5Nicd-: oh maliit also has a nemomobile keyboard plugin07:57
saidinesh5so Sailfish uses the same thing?07:57
Stskeepswe use a custom plugin07:57
tatStskeeps: i see a package called tohd-plugin-nfc-nxp, is that the connector07:57
saidinesh5Stskeeps: is it open?07:58
Stskeepstat: in practice we don't have a NFC api07:58
tatbut well can't i access it through the common way ?07:58
tatlike libnfc, or whatever tohd is using07:58
Stskeepstat: well, we have wrappers for libnfc.. sec07:59
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amccarthytat: you can. you will need to be running as root, and it needs to be opened exclusively (stop tohd). Look at the nfc test code in libhybris.08:00
tatonly as root, is that the other way, what if i want to build a nfc app08:01
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amccarthytat: access permission for the nfc device are restricted to root, IIRC.08:02
tatby the way is pkcon somewhere documentet, i really miss manpages on that system08:02
amccarthysomewhere on the Internet :)08:02
saidinesh5hmm... maybe i ll try using the openwebos' keyboard as a starting point. they seem to have most of the basics covered08:02
coderuspkcon is just cli for PackageKit08:03
saidinesh5Stskeeps: so any maliit plugin should work with maliit on sailfish right?08:03
phdeswertat: what you need to know. pkcon search name <thing you look for> , pkcon install <package name you want to install>, pkcon refresh08:05
phdeswerAnd the rest you can see with --help afaik08:05
tathow do i show contents of packages, how do i look for src packages08:05
tatok got it, that is not possibil than08:06
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faeniltat, btw you can always install zypper08:07
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phdeswertat contents of packages you can see with rpm (annoying, but documented), I think it might be capable of searching for source packages but I don't think there are many available08:09
phdeswerAnd as faenil said. zypper is somewhat better and easier to use.08:09
SK_worktat: go for zypper honestly08:10
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saidinesh5oh grrr08:12
saidinesh5webos keyboard apparently depends on their luna service08:12
tatany idea if there are headers available for /usr/lib/libnfc_nxp.so.1,08:12
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[deXter]Does the Media Player app support cover art?08:18
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SK_work[deXter]: yes08:20
SK_workworks for me (if included in the media)08:20
SK_work[deXter]: I always easytag my media to have them clean and nice08:21
[deXter]SK_work, Is there any specification somewhere? Like, does it support cover.jpg or something?08:21
SK_work[deXter]: use a tag sw to write it inside the media08:21
SK_workI know it works for mp308:21
SK_workuse easytag on linux for example08:21
SK_workit works pretty well08:21
[deXter]Well I don't have any mp3 decoders installed for starters :/08:22
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tatwhat the hack, who designed the nfc integration into that phone, nfc is only thought to be used with toh, that is complete nonsence, nfc has quiet some viable applications in mobile, and there are more to com in the future, how could you try to cut this HW feature down to only one application ?08:23
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Stskeepstat: that was the choice done, it's in the spec sheets too08:24
coderustat: what are you talking about?08:25
tatStskeeps: well i understand that there have to be compromises, but this ...08:25
tatcoderus: nfc as used in th jolla phone08:26
fluxthere should have been two nfc chips, but perhaps it would not have come as cheaply08:26
Stskeepstat: i don't disagree, fwiw -- but the hardware design was really difficult to get at to do properly08:26
fluxbut perhaps someone will implement will an nfc toh :)08:26
coderustat: and usb is only for one direction, not for OTG, and some other things :)08:27
Stskeepswe don't have NFC apis, in qt, either.08:27
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fluxor bluetooth le, that's annoying08:28
fluxbut at least that's fixable :)08:28
tatmaybe in version 2.0 than :)08:28
Stskeepsyeah..bluez4/5 kinda screwed us on that one, as well..08:28
fluxjolla was on the bluez4 camp currently, right?08:28
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fluxany plans on trying to move forward?08:29
Stskeepsit's currently being discussed on wtf we do, as we have to keep spread of sailfishos in mind..08:29
SK_workflux: Stskeeps javispedro seems to have done something08:30
SK_workbut he shares Stskeeps 's wtf08:30
fluxI'm hoping to do some ble stuff on jolla, I suppose the best way would be to do it directly on top of HCI then08:31
fluxbut would such app have a snowball's chance in hell gettint onto the store?-)08:31
Stskeepslet's cross that road when we get there..08:31
tbrQt doesn't even have BLE yet08:31
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faeniltbr, and when it'll be there, I guess it'll be for "enterprise"...gah08:42
* Stskeeps blinks08:42
SK_workfaenil: :(08:43
* SK_work is happy to have compiler not available for users, so that QML patching can continue :P08:43
coderusSK_work: btw, i installed patchmanager yesterday08:48
SK_workcoderus: ha ?08:48
coderusthinking about improvements i'd like to make08:48
coderusfirst need to install git locally and backup my /usr with git :D08:49
coderusand creating patches will be much easier then08:50
SK_workcoderus: no need08:50
SK_workzypper in -f <somepackage> is enough :)08:50
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SK_workcoderus: rpm -qf editedfile08:50
coderuskeeping in mind edited files isnt  good08:50
coderusgit is perfect solution imho08:51
SK_workcoderus: right08:51
SK_workgood luck indexing /usr thoug :d08:51
kimmoli_sailing_git is there already?08:51
SK_workkimmoli_sailing_: it should be08:51
coderusjust did pkcon install git and it was installed08:51
SK_worksince the backup framework use git08:51
SK_workcoderus: easy ;)08:51
coderusprobably it come from mer-tools i have enabled08:52
kimmoli_sailing_it comes default08:52
faenilcoderus, it is used by the backup framework in sailfish, so it's installed by default08:53
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SK_workfaenil: libgit yes, not git :)08:53
coderusit will be nice to have git server and client :D08:56
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coderusoperating with git tree without mounting folder locally :D08:56
SK_workcoderus: port gitlab :D08:57
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spiiroinamccarthy: tat: tohd is off the nfc except brief period after attaching a cover. so in theory it might work even without stopping tohd.08:58
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fluxbut does the ToH's NFC antenna swallow the energy from the Jolla chip?08:59
SK_workflux: should not08:59
SK_workthere was a bug in 1.0.0.X but it got fixed08:59
fluxbut the upgrade didn't come to the ToH..09:00
fluxwhenever you use NFC the RF energy from it ends up to the tag?09:00
SK_workflux: don't know the details, but iirc, it do this one time09:01
fluxcould work for two NFC tags, but probably the the energy is greatly reduced09:01
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SK_workwell, I would say that I have an OH with toh, and don't see battery being sucked09:01
fluxI understand the NFC messages themselves can contain a 'device prefix', and the tags listening them can stop listening if the prefix doesn't match09:02
Nicd-SK_work: that's because the NFC is not transmitting09:02
Nicd-but if someone were to make the NFC chip transmit something the OH would absorb that energy and the communication would fail09:02
Nicd-that's what flux means09:02
fluxbut, perhaps enough can leak through for a very-close-proximity tag to function09:03
Nicd-I've heard it's unlikely09:04
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fluxor perhaps the energy could be fed with a much simpler ToH that only has a loop for transmitting it09:06
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kimmoliflux: are you talking about passive amplifier to NFC ? i.e. two antennas, one to couple to phone antenna, another to couple to external NFC tag?09:12
fluxI was thinking active, but if a passive one would work, then even better :)09:13
flux(I don't know if it's feasible to amplify that band)09:14
Stskeepsi'm personally happy if anybody would want to do a NFC TOH.09:14
Stskeepsi'm not 100% sure if it is feasible.09:14
kimmolii have parts to do such thing09:15
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kimmolimaybe with  NXP PN53209:16
Stskeepshrm, well, i meant more to simply lay out an antenna or something09:17
kimmolimight need some adhoc testing09:18
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kimmolihmm... http://taoglas.com/images/product_images/original_images/FXR.01.A.pdf09:25
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coderusSK_work: http://paste.kde.org/pm42j9xqc09:57
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SK_workcoderus: thanks :)10:09
SK_workhacking dialer is really nice and easy10:10
SK_workand you can get nice stuff :)10:10
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tachikomaafter one day of trying i now can send mails again via smtp \o/10:13
coderusSK_work: but it need qt5-qtdeclarative-import-sensors as dependency10:13
tachikomaand all i did to fix it was creating aand deleting the account for like 6 times10:14
SK_workcoderus: package it as a package, and add the sensors as dep :)10:14
tachikomanow i need gpg integrated :)10:14
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coderusSK_work: can you send me any of patch spec?10:14
SK_workcoderus: https://github.com/sfietkonstantin/pandora-box10:15
tachikomathis looks interesting: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8322910:17
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Mikkosssss_Is it possible to make patch for security code?10:22
coderusSK_work: thanks :)10:22
coderusMikkosssss_: more info please :)10:22
SK_workMikkosssss_: what do you want to do ?10:22
Mikkosssss_Maze lock like most of android users have10:23
SK_workMikkosssss_: I think no10:23
Mikkosssss_but I would prefer 5x5 or more for more security10:23
SK_workthe security code is stored in specific place etc, you cannot replace it easily by a maze10:23
coderusSK_work: well i think you can make simple algo for generating code sequence by maze10:24
Mikkosssss_If you build maze and every maze dot sends number and finger release is number?10:24
Mikkosssss_finger release sends it*10:25
SK_workcoderus: don't know the limit length for code (it should be between 5 and 8 iirc)10:25
SK_workcoderus: yep, it could be interesting10:25
coderusSK_work: it doesnt matter really10:25
Mikkosssss_but if you make it dont do 3x3 Its almost like no code. I have guessed so many of them.10:27
Nicd-it would have to be 3x3 + 1 though because of the numpad below it10:29
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Mikkosssss_or all dots send 2 numbers and you could get 4 dot security code10:31
Mikkosssss_if you have 6x6=36 dots its hard to guess10:32
Mikkosssss_like if you pull your finger on top row from left to right your code would be 0102030410:32
Mikkosssss_from top row corner to down 0107131910:34
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SK_workMikkosssss_: mind learning coding :) ?10:40
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Mikkosssss_I have some apps coming but slow because every component and thing I want to do needs google10:41
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Mikkosssss_and I can only do on weekends because I got no laptop10:42
SK_workMikkosssss_: I want you to study homescreen, and see how lockscreen is implemented10:43
SK_work(use pandora)10:43
SK_workafterwards, it's pretty easy to write a patch10:43
Mikkosssss_can I stydy it on phone where do I find homescreen qml files? SK_work10:48
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SK_workMikkosssss_: install pandora enabled lipstick and patchmanager. Use patchmanager to dump qml files10:48
SK_workand find those files in /opt/lipstick-pandora/qml10:48
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Mikkosssss_Ofc I have patchmanager installed  <3 5x6 grid and settings10:52
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SK_work^ that's a nice quit message10:58
Nicd-also goes for jollas?10:58
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SK_workNicd-: without my Jolla I'm useless ? Without me my Jolla is useless ?10:59
Nicd-well I feel like that currently as my jolla is in service :D11:00
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joonahoisadly doesn't go the other way around, as jolla has true multiprocessing, even the background processes live on without the user ;)11:05
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javispedronah, you need user to press power button or keep wakelock11:06
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javispedrodid I mention how much I hate wakelocks? :)11:06
joonahoijavispedro: the processes are still executing in the background, not at the full speed, but they are11:06
suosaask1symbian has multiprocessing, too. :)11:06
javispedrojoonahoi: not if screen is off!11:07
suosaask1well, at least multitasking.11:07
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joonahoijavispedro: they are, i just drained my battery the other day when i had some debugging going on at the background in fingerterm11:07
joonahoiand forgot it there ;)11:07
joonahoiit kept the data connections active etc for the whole night11:07
Stskeepsthe wifi does some kind of connected standby11:08
javispedro<joonahoi> it kept the data connections active etc for the whole night11:08
javispedro<Stskeeps> the wifi does some kind of connected standby11:08
Juubaalso sftp transfer do work if the Screen shuts off... only the response times and transfer rates slow down11:08
javispedrojoonahoi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=141173411:08
Stskeepsso it is suspended but wakes up when data incomes11:08
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joonahoii was actually on 3g, wifi off11:09
javispedrojoonahoi: if you keep transferring to it it will wake up, if you don't, it'll suspend... so, the user is required :)11:09
Stskeepsor 3g11:09
joonahoiwas debugging over ssh11:09
javispedroI am still heavily surprised why doesn't people immediately notice opportunistic suspend.11:10
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javispedroI must presume there's some kind of daemon that suspends my phone the moment it detects I want it to stay awake11:14
Stskeepsbetatesting SailfishOS UI11:15
javispedrook, you had me surprised for a moment :)11:16
javispedrofortunately I'm happy with mce "early" policy aka keeping mce_screen_on wakelock on11:16
javispedroclosest to real "connected standby" as it seems wlan enters some powersaving mode.11:16
javispedrobut CPU stays awake11:16
Mikkosssss_SK_work: Found from qml that max code was 10 before testing in lockscreen. :D How I test my patch if I write one? Ofc I can test looks on sdk but does it work?11:18
javispedrook, bbl -- cya in the meeting.11:18
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SK_workMikkosssss_: I usually directly write into the files I want to override11:23
SK_work(after backing them up)11:23
SK_workand then I diff with my backup11:23
SK_workMikkosssss_: but WARNING11:23
SK_workif there is a limit of 10, I guess there are reasons11:23
SK_workMikkosssss_: you can ping Jonni to know why11:24
Mikkosssss_Ofc I dont try to send longer than 1011:24
JonniSK_work: well limit of 10 was more like UI design reasons. I might change the limits to be configurable in future. As longer codes are safer.11:25
SK_workJonni: indeed11:25
Mikkosssss_cant find right qml file. In devicelock.qml theres no numbers?11:25
SK_workbut Mikkosssss_ want to fiddle with config11:26
Mikkosssss_I dont have qml eye yet11:26
Jonnibut anyways thanks for reminding me, I'll write a todo note for myself.11:26
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SK_workJonni: do you think Mikkosssss_ will brick totally his device if he tries > 10 ? :)11:26
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SK_workMikkosssss_: can't help you11:26
SK_workI have not read all qml code from jolla11:26
Mikkosssss_Phone might explode11:27
JonniSK_work: well the commandline accepts even 1000+ characters, so its just ui limit11:27
SK_workJonni: so he need to be cautious about QML hack11:27
SK_workthanks Jonni11:27
Jonnibut anyways becaus of mfe, there will be tweaks in lockcode side in coming updates, so it will be more configurable.11:28
SK_workmfe = mail for exchange right ?11:30
SK_workJonni: do you think that mazelock could come at some point like what Mikkosssss_  want ?11:30
SK_workshouldn't be that hard right ? only ui need change11:30
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JonniSK_work: in theory yes 5x5 mazelock would be possible in future. At somepoint we might even allow characters in lockcode, that would enable you easily do 6x6 grid.11:36
Jonniactually commandline already accepts characters, so you can already do 6x6 mazelock, only thing that you need to be carefull is sw updates, if you happen to overwrite your patches, then your locked out of your device.11:38
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SK_workJonni: exactly :(11:38
Jonni(well you can always recover from rescue-mode, but thats not for normal users).11:39
Jonnirecovery-mode evne11:39
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Jonniyou might want to plus vote https://together.jolla.com/question/43118/feature-request-mazelock-like-lockscreen-option/ if you want the feature to be implemented by us.11:41
Jonni(or if community manages to make nice enough implementation we might be able to include it in default image)...11:42
fluxdoes the API to implement custom lock screens exist?11:43
SK_workflux: no11:43
SK_workJonni: how do you include nice implementations11:44
fluxif I needed to choose between those two, I know which one I would choose :)11:44
fluxie. facial recognition-based locking would be nice11:44
flux(with pin-bypass)11:44
SK_workflux: :(11:44
SK_workdon't like this11:44
Stskeepsperhaps we should consider pluggable lock screens?11:45
JonniSK_work: flux: well actually lipstick sources has the API documented.11:45
SK_workhum ...11:45
SK_workthis is becoming interesting: )11:45
Jonni'well not official api' but it has sources which call the check, set, and state functionality.11:45
Jonnibut basicly you can do your own custom qml ui and use same calls to store the code in backend.11:46
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Jonnibut yes it would be interesitng to have similar kind of settings in devicelock than in android, that you could choose between digit vs maze ui's.11:51
tachikomastrupid question - but where on the jolla phone are the mails stored?11:53
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Stskeeps$HOME/.qmf ish?11:53
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tachikomaok, then I'm looking at the right spot11:54
tachikoma*facepalm* - if i only fetch mails from yesterday i won;t find any from last week there ...11:55
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YanielI thought your kind prefers natural oil...11:58
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Mikkosssss_Jonni: Cant find gml where devicelock "keyboard" is? I can find hearder and "wrong code" text.12:06
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SK_workMikkosssss_: dialer I guess12:07
SK_workit's a silica component12:07
tachikomaStskeeps: mh, weird, i sent myself an encrypted mail and now fetched that. When i grep for GnuPG in ~/.qmf I can't find that ...12:07
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JonniMikkosssss_: PinInput.qml12:12
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Mikkosssss_Jonni: Its sim code?12:12
JonniMikkosssss_: its in jolla-settings-system, but maybe you just use find from system root dir :)12:14
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WntSK_work, Jonni there is also this question in jtc with more votes already: https://together.jolla.com/question/18090/alternative-unlock-screen12:15
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Mikkosssss_Jonni: I cant uderstand your instruction. :p12:33
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marxistveganvgrade: i just became aware of the build on the site you shared, is that stable or more testing?13:46
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kontiostephg: Stskeeps: regarding mervncserver, true currently all is hardcoded for the Jolla phone, would be nice if software could dedect by it self on what hw it is running and 'self' configure, but I'm also fine to have a config file per hardware...14:01
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stephghey kontio, only reason I was asking was it seemed to me that the sensible thing was that (where possible) each HA presented the same devices14:07
kontioHA? what does it stand for in this context?14:08
Stskeepshardware adaptation :)14:09
Stskeepsand not hells angels..14:09
kontiothose I just meet from time to time in a bar :)14:09
kontioah you mean each HA adaption would present rndis0 has it's usb device?14:10
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Stskeepsmost yeah14:18
fzk#social goes hells angels14:19
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fluxbtw, if you're not going to add configuration 'now', perhaps at least allowing localhost would be nice? that would allow using ssh forwards in a pinch.14:39
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coderusmarxistvegan: N9?14:49
marxistvegancoderus: yes14:49
coderusmarxistvegan: its just PoC14:49
marxistvegancoderus: the
coderusscreen orientation handling wrong14:50
coderus1.0.2.5 last working14:50
marxistvegani see14:50
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marxistvegancoderus: I want to update via command if I can but when I run zypper ref it keeps having problems with jolla repos and wanting me to enter my store account credentials which it does not accept, have you ever run into that?14:51
marxistveganfyi i did ssu re
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lbtPSA: community meeting in #mer-meeting15:01
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marxistveganjust want to say thanks to all that are working on sailfishOS i am really liking the experience so far on the N916:21
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w00tpleased to hear it16:27
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saidinesh5marxistvegan: oh? which version?16:30
marxistvegansaidinesh5: I am running at the moment, it is my first experience with sailfish16:31
saidinesh5ah nevermind16:31
saidinesh5i scrolled up16:31
saidinesh5the screen orientation is right now?16:31
marxistvegansaidinesh5: yeah it is, i had installed a different before vgrade gave me a better one and that old one had screen orientation issues with wifi16:32
marxistveganbut that seems fixed in the one I am running now16:32
saidinesh5marxistvegan: links please?16:32
saidinesh5marxistvegan: also is the video working on yours?16:32
marxistvegansaidinesh5: i am using this one http://images.formeego.org/n950/sailfish/16:33
marxistvegansaidinesh5: that I have not tried cause well i did not use video on harmattan16:33
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saidinesh5Ah could you please try?16:33
saidinesh5Also why when there is a ?16:33
marxistvegansaidinesh5: as coderus said on the n9 it has issues16:34
marxistvegansaidinesh5: I have no videos on my device to play :(16:34
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saidinesh5marxistvegan: which edge do you have to swipe from to close an app in your sailfish on N9?17:14
marxistvegansaidinesh5: the right to left17:15
marxistveganfrom the outside of the screen17:15
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saidinesh5Ah lol17:15
saidinesh5you made me reflash the same image i already had17:15
saidinesh5heh is okay17:15
marxistvegani did say I was new to this  ;)17:16
marxistvegandid they change that closing method in a newer version?17:16
saidinesh5lol but i knew someone was working on that screen orientation issue17:16
saidinesh5the right to left swiping is a bug17:16
saidinesh5it was meant to be top to bottom17:16
saidinesh5and nope videos aren't working in this version17:16
marxistvegansaidinesh5: ohhh17:17
marxistveganso like harmattan17:17
marxistveganI do miss that ability to close17:17
saidinesh5fortunately we can dualboot17:17
marxistveganwe can though I am trying to use sailfish as a daily driver17:17
saidinesh5Ah you d be disappointed17:18
saidinesh5afaik there were issues with call clarity17:18
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marxistvegansaidinesh5: the good thing is I barely use a phone to make calls17:18
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marxistveganin a week I might use it for a call once17:18
marxistveganmost of it is messaging17:18
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saidinesh5out of curiousity, which language do you text in?17:19
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marxistveganenglish and spanish17:21
saidinesh5Ah okay17:22
marxistvegansaidinesh5: and yourself?17:23
saidinesh5mostly english ...17:23
saidinesh5rarely hindi(typed in english)17:24
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rubdosWhen I setup my personal email (telenet.be), my Jolla syncs one time my IMAP account, but then never syncs again, even when triggered manually17:28
rubdosany clue?17:28
javispedrorubdos: does it complete the sync but does not actually receive any mails?17:30
javispedrorubdos: or does it fail to complete the sync? does it show any error?17:30
Nc_rubdos, I'd assume it was an issue at telenet, but then, I'm biased from living in Belgium ...17:30
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rubdosNc_, well, my thunderbird does the job17:36
rubdosjavispedro, let me see17:36
rubdos(so there ARE other Belgians using Jolla? :O )17:36
rubdosThe first option, javispedro17:37
rubdosit does complete the sync (pretty fast) but didn't receive any mail the past two days (that's the last time I tried adding the account again)17:37
rubdosI also check my emails on my notebook via IMAP, can it be that Jolla denies 'read' mails?17:37
rubdos(sorry for my late reply, I'm studying in the meanwhile. Engineers life...)17:40
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rubdosBTW, as I'm studying at VUB, I have an email address at my University, same settings, other server, works perfectly (except that I'm waiting on IDLE support)17:41
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gabriel9is it possible to play some sound from /usr/share/sounds/jolla-ringtones/stereo/18:07
gabriel9using qml audio18:07
gabriel9i added that path to source and it says File or directory does not exists18:08
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gabriel9nwm i will try it when my device recharges18:10
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marxistvegansaidinesh5: do you know where the development is on the next versions for the N918:14
saidinesh5marxistvegan: im afraid it was a deadend18:15
saidinesh5some guy was trying to port a new kernel to N918:15
saidinesh5and he became busy with other things18:15
marxistvegansaidinesh5: well that is the kernel development and last I saw that was on github right?18:15
saidinesh5and afaik without that kernel there wont be any more updates to sailfish on n918:16
marxistvegansaidinesh5: this phone would be completely reborn with an updated kernel18:16
marxistveganoh really18:16
saidinesh5yep ... something something.......systemd something something18:16
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marxistvegansaidinesh5: is this the kernel you are talking about https://github.com/nemomobile/kernel-adaptation-n950-n918:17
saidinesh5"Linux kernel release 3.x" => i think so18:18
marxistvegansaidinesh5: seems there was some work about 4 months ago18:18
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* saidinesh5 looks18:19
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marxistvegansaidinesh5: that seems even more encouraging considering it was from 2 weeks ago in the discussion18:22
saidinesh5heh well.... lets see what happens18:23
marxistvegansaidinesh5: though I am not sure where max83's code is18:23
saidinesh5even NITDROID was a dead end afaik18:23
saidinesh5marxistvegan:  that would be in this page http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90761&page=17818:23
marxistveganugg that thing needs a git18:25
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saidinesh5heh feel free to move it to github then18:27
rubdosmarxistvegan, everything that's not in a git needs a git in this wordl18:27
rubdosworld *18:27
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marxistveganrubdos: not that git guarantees development will happen but certainly makes it easier to get involved in18:43
marxistvegansaidinesh5: i would not exactly know how to move it, which is my own short comings18:44
tbrcybette: if you expect me to be at a meeting and report status there, you could at least have the bloody dignity to let me know you do! Yes I'm pissed.18:47
phdeswer tbr must have been an unfortunate oversight. We'll have to get you a beer ;)18:48
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* tbr was at an newfactory event, trying to either find a new job or stay with some different department of his current job18:50
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* tbr would like to put on record that he's not fucking clairvoyant and did NOT know that someone put that topic there and that he was expected to report on it.18:57
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iekkutbr, there there18:59
coderusMikkosssss_: Jonni: SK_work: Maze Lock PoC Component: http://paste.kde.org/pzkqpno6p19:00
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Stskeepstbr: i was surprised too, perhaps we need to lock topics when invite is sent out19:09
tbrStskeeps: and send invite on time *HINT*19:10
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rubdosSo, upcoming version has LTE, great :D Any clue what these selected countries will be?19:21
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stephgrubdos: all of the countries!*19:26
rubdos* except:19:27
rubdos(please do not list Belgium, I'll kill you :P )19:27
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stephg* https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/19:27
raa70if they change their lte networks to jolla supported ones?19:27
rubdosOh, all users19:28
stephgwe get it if our networks support the frequencies19:28
stephgexactly :)19:28
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Nc_rubdos, I read somewhere that Belgacrap/Proximus should be able to support LTE on Jolla ... can't recall where though19:29
Nc_no idea about other providers though19:29
rubdosNc_, I'm mobile viking, no idea what other providers are doing in this country :P19:29
uvatvmwThe feature description doesn't mention if 4g/lte will also be enabled for the Nexus4 port. (was it disabled to begin with?)19:29
Stskeepsn4 doesn't come with lte oob though19:30
Nc_Mobile Viking? nice :)19:30
rubdosViking indeed19:30
rubdos15 euro's a month, 2GB internet, 2k smsses, 0.3k smsses to own network a day :P19:30
Nc_they have good pricing - and people I spoke with were generally quite pleased with them19:31
rubdosI'm viking for about two years, love it :)19:31
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uvatvmwStskeeps: I'm not so sure... I remember seeing some app on xda that would enable 4g/lte there19:32
rubdosOther question: the CalDAV support, is that only for those specified providers, or will I be able to add custom CalDAV servers?19:33
rubdosThat way I can sync up my Universities calendar19:33
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tbrStskeeps: I thought it was only disabled on the US version?19:37
viviauhm, sorry but i don't know where else to ask, my N9's usb port is broken and i need a hack to be able to charge it19:38
viviais there anyone who could help?19:38
Stskeepstbr: hmm..19:38
tbrbut don't know for sure19:38
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uvatvmwStskeeps: I might be wrong. some users found an LTE chip in the n4 and xda has a thread for enabling it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/themes-apps/app-nexus-4-modem-flasher-lte-enabler-t260722119:39
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Stskeepsyeah there's a lte chip likely19:39
tbrStskeeps: seems I misremembered, the chipset supports it though19:40
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Stskeepsyes, others have hacked it19:40
Stskeepsshould prolly work with a bit of grease19:40
tbronly with the right baseband though. seems later baseband locks that19:41
* uvatvmw nods wisely without understanding anything19:43
tbrStskeeps: I think someone was already asking about running sailfish with "different baseband" and had weird effects, probably due to the ril getting confused... :-/19:45
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* stephg noms pizza20:07
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tortoisedocfound yet another bug! :)20:44
tortoisedocyab :P20:44
rubdosKill it20:45
tortoisedoci cant20:45
rubdosLike I do. Mosquito season started20:45
tortoisedocits in the Row element20:45
rubdosWell, you should tell some insiders I guess :/20:46
rubdosI'm just a user20:46
tortoisedocthey are all sleeping it seems :D20:47
* tortoisedoc pokes StsKeeps20:47
rubdosYes, it's freaky 23 o'clock ^^20:47
* tortoisedoc pokes Kaltsi20:47
rubdos(in my timezone)20:47
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tortoisedockaltsi: see here http://pastebin.com/c73s0Rhx20:48
tortoisedocStsKeeps: http://pastebin.com/c73s0Rhx20:48
tortoisedoc(and yes there is silica included)20:48
tortoisedocfirst to answer wins one liter pint ;)20:48
tortoisedocnoone around :O20:48
stephgit's getting late tortoisedoc20:49
rubdosAre you sure on the Theme.iconSizeLauncher.width? :P20:49
stephgI for one though am interested in your litre pints :)20:49
rubdoshahaha lol20:49
* rubdos loves the Jolla community20:50
rubdosBut Ruben's tired and is going to sleep... Gn everyone, keep on sailin'!20:50
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stephgnight rubdos20:51
tortoisedocstephg : aint never too late for a fix on a boat :P20:54
tortoisedocmaybe I should have said rum instead of beer :P20:54
tortoisedocoh weöö20:56
stephgin the jungle...20:56
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kaltsihm so he left21:00
stephgit would seem21:00
kaltsiI think it should be just width Theme.iconSizeLauncher21:00
kaltsiwidth: Theme.iconSizeLauncher   <= worksforme (tm)21:01
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stephgon the off chance I see him before you do I'll tell him21:11
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kaltsiok :)21:15
kaltsiseems like that iconSizeLauncher is not presented in the Theme documentation index21:15
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kaltsiit's not listed in the properties section there, but can be found from the text21:16
kaltsiI'll ask if it's intentional, if not I'll get it fixed21:16
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cybettetbr: sorry, the topic came in at the last minute, I didn't expect it either. but yes, improvements can/will be made.22:25
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sledgesyup, topic came in last minute, and lbt has briefly shed some light on its current situation, so all good tbr <322:37
lbtvery dim light22:38
cybettetbr: on the bright side, bringing up the topic had xmlich02 and M4rtinK volunteering to help with chum22:38
lbtmore of a 1st gen cfd in a US power socket with a sock on it22:38
sledgesthat \o/22:38
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lbtdim and smelly22:39
sledgeshow do they dim lights gradually in cinema theaters - the maintenance guy walks up to the wall and pulls the plug out of socket slowly slowly....22:39
* sledges hides with .lt jokes22:39
M4rtinKlbt: sure let me know once the time comes :)22:39
lbtthe time is now22:40
M4rtinKoh, nice22:40
lbtwe can start outlining what community QA should do22:40
lbtand what it should not do22:40
lbthow to handle delays22:40
lbtwe can start by looking back at maemo extras rules and/or apps4meego22:41
lbtsledges: I like that one22:42
M4rtinKI would say a good first step might be to basically clone what was done there22:42
M4rtinKand improve on top of it22:42
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sledgesactually, least worst one yes :))22:42
lbtwell - lets document it first22:42
lbtjust an outline22:42
lbtthere are going to be varous classes of technical assesment22:43
lbteg we may need (want) deeper approval for apps which are suid or run as root as daemons22:44
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lbtwe may want all %post scripts to be manually reviewed by someone who knows what's what22:44
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lbtwe may (or may not) care if an app actually does what it's supposed to do (eg is this app QA or packaging QA)22:45
M4rtinKBTW, the Fedora packaging guidelines might also provide some inspiration: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines22:46
lbtdo we replicate harbour process at all (eg check for power, check for non-intrusion on core functionality like phonecalls)22:46
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lbtI think the harbour checks are mainly shared so we can copy as many/few of them as we like22:47
lbtbut anyhow - that's all just common sense (provided you think/know a bit about the problem space)22:48
lbtI. however, am going to bed now :)22:48
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M4rtinKsame thing :)22:49
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M4rtinKI'll tell xmlich02 that we are rolling :)22:49
sledgespun intended ;)22:52
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sledgesgood start, but sleep 28800 time22:57
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* sledges cant get the 'press 'a' joke ;)22:58
sledgesok, too late for this, but nintendo rings a bell22:59
faenilI guess it's just vintage memories22:59
sledgeshey faenil , you'¶e not sleep 28800 ? ;)22:59
faeniljust back home, going to bed now :)23:00
sledgesgood timing ^_^23:00
lbtit was an nmi23:00
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