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| Juuba | hmm, i changed my google password, and now I cant re-login to Google Play store on Jolla.. | 06:11 |
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| Juuba | dammit :D | 06:12 |
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| Juuba | there, now it asked for the new PW | 06:16 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: hi! seems you can help me with canvas stuff? ;) | 06:25 |
| kimmoli | wut | 06:25 |
| kimmoli | coderus: morning | 06:25 |
| coderus | https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/471388823356989441/photo/1 | 06:25 |
| kimmoli | want to integrate that on mitäkuuluu? | 06:26 |
| coderus | no | 06:26 |
| coderus | i making mazelock | 06:26 |
| coderus | https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/471388823356989441/photo/1 | 06:26 |
| coderus | oops | 06:26 |
| coderus | http://paste.kde.org/pzkqpno6p | 06:26 |
| kimmoli | i just did close that tab | 06:27 |
| coderus | and canvas slooowing after 4-5 node added | 06:27 |
| coderus | i dont understand Canvas well | 06:27 |
| saidinesh5 | coderus: the culprit is shadowBlur | 06:28 |
| saidinesh5 | thats really really bad on Canvas | 06:29 |
| coderus | saidinesh5: oh :( | 06:29 |
| saidinesh5 | ran into the same issue myself yesterday | 06:29 |
| coderus | okay... | 06:29 |
| coderus | another question | 06:29 |
| saidinesh5 | mhm? | 06:29 |
| kimmoli | iirc i dont have shadowBlur | 06:29 |
| coderus | can i draw many lines with different colors in same context? | 06:30 |
| saidinesh5 | yep | 06:30 |
| saidinesh5 | coderus: just a second | 06:30 |
| saidinesh5 | getting you a link | 06:30 |
| kimmoli | oo good, we have Canvas xpert here :) | 06:31 |
| saidinesh5 | http://t.co/ZRHCStBSBT | 06:31 |
| saidinesh5 | heh no expert.. just had to pick this stuff for the last couple of projects i was working on | 06:31 |
| kimmoli | i'm also basically googling everything i need to do... | 06:33 |
| saidinesh5 | mhm | 06:33 |
| saidinesh5 | the nice thing about canvas is a lot of code from HTML5 canvas almost directly runs | 06:34 |
| coderus | saidinesh5: hm, i found you not using closePath() ? | 06:34 |
| saidinesh5 | ctx.stroke() | 06:34 |
| saidinesh5 | that would draw the line | 06:35 |
| coderus | aha thanks! | 06:36 |
| saidinesh5 | or the path | 06:36 |
| saidinesh5 | :) | 06:36 |
| coderus | saidinesh5: http://paste.kde.org/pfs9ful54 | 06:38 |
| coderus | please tell me what wrong | 06:38 |
| * saidinesh5 looks | 06:38 | |
| coderus | i want to draw lines between nodes with diffferent colors | 06:38 |
| coderus | but it coloring all the path | 06:38 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh | 06:38 |
| saidinesh5 | i think you need to beginPath() | 06:39 |
| saidinesh5 | at line 15 | 06:39 |
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| coderus | not ddrawinf anything | 06:40 |
| saidinesh5 | hold ... getting you the code | 06:40 |
| coderus | got it | 06:41 |
| coderus | saidinesh5: http://paste.kde.org/psy6wqeni | 06:41 |
| coderus | thanks for the idea :) | 06:41 |
| saidinesh5 | mhm that should work :) | 06:41 |
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| coderus | final result: http://paste.kde.org/pjodlq5jj | 06:43 |
| coderus | Jonni: ^ | 06:43 |
| coderus | feel free to improve it | 06:43 |
| saidinesh5 | you can simply start off at | 06:44 |
| saidinesh5 | for (i = 1; i < length; i++){ | 06:45 |
| saidinesh5 | ctx.moveTo(points[i-1].x,points[i-1].y) | 06:45 |
| saidinesh5 | well... | 06:46 |
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| saidinesh5 | for (i = 1; i < length; i++){ ctx.beginPath(); ctx.moveTo(points[i-1].x,points[i-1].y); ctx.lineTo(points[i].x, points[i].y) } | 06:46 |
| saidinesh5 | i.e eliminate the if(i === 0) | 06:47 |
| coderus | x2 operations then :) | 06:48 |
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| coderus | every iteration you should get last and current node | 06:48 |
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| coderus | i'm an assembler guy. i know one thing: less processor operations = better | 06:49 |
| saidinesh5 | coderus: http://jsfiddle.net/EL3UA/ | 06:49 |
| saidinesh5 | is that the effect you are looking for? | 06:49 |
| saidinesh5 | coderus: also nope, same number of operations | 06:50 |
| coderus | first of all i have no all points at the time | 06:50 |
| saidinesh5 | the difference is you are doing it in the current iteration instead of the previous iteration | 06:51 |
| coderus | i have iterations by nodes, not by nodes points | 06:52 |
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| saidinesh5 | hmm? you mean you are trying to get a smooth curve based on your pins? | 06:53 |
| coderus | no | 06:53 |
| coderus | i mean i have no all nodes coordinates | 06:54 |
| coderus | i'm getting node coordinate only before paint | 06:54 |
| saidinesh5 | mhm so? | 06:54 |
| coderus | i cant do points[i-1] | 06:54 |
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| coderus | if i'll do so it will calculate nodes coordinates twice. in current iteration and in next => more operations | 06:55 |
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| saidinesh5 | Ah | 06:56 |
| saidinesh5 | you can use 2 variables then | 06:58 |
| saidinesh5 | and initialize one of them outside the loop before it begins | 06:58 |
| saidinesh5 | that way you can eliminate the if condition :P | 06:58 |
| coderus | why you dont like conditions? | 06:58 |
| saidinesh5 | heh nothing like that.. thats just 1 extra condition that can be eliminated | 06:59 |
| saidinesh5 | although in this case it doesn't affect much | 06:59 |
| coderus | less operations is better than less code lines if less code lines affect at operations count | 07:00 |
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| saidinesh5 | yep | 07:00 |
| saidinesh5 | or nope | 07:00 |
| saidinesh5 | heh really depends | 07:00 |
| saidinesh5 | i here its one extra operation. with the 2 variables its one extra memory | 07:01 |
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| saidinesh5 | heh the classic trade off | 07:02 |
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| coderus | saidinesh5: http://paste.kde.org/p8jlkfne9 | 07:03 |
| coderus | you can be sure: i know what you mean | 07:04 |
| saidinesh5 | mhm | 07:04 |
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| coderus | that probably works fine for me | 07:04 |
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| saidinesh5 | Ah now i remember you... coderus lol you wrote Persecute too right? | 07:06 |
| saidinesh5 | great app! | 07:06 |
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| saidinesh5 | all along i was wondering why your nick sounded so familiar | 07:07 |
| coderus | yup | 07:07 |
| coderus | and my new children is Mitakuuluu | 07:07 |
| * saidinesh5 google | 07:07 | |
| saidinesh5 | s | 07:07 |
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| saidinesh5 | Ah | 07:08 |
| coderus | i had no time and profit for persecute, sadly. it was developed too late for harmattan. community isnt same as before, and it remains unfinished | 07:08 |
| saidinesh5 | looks quite neat! | 07:08 |
| coderus | sailfish community much younger and much enthusiasm :) | 07:09 |
| saidinesh5 | heh i know | 07:09 |
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| saidinesh5 | coderus: you used a listview for this right? https://openrepos.net/sites/default/files/packages/26/screenshot-screenshot-24-04-14-21-46-12.png | 07:11 |
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| coderus | sure | 07:11 |
| coderus | https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/client/qml/ConversationPage.qml#L478 | 07:12 |
| coderus | its FOSS projet | 07:12 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh | 07:12 |
| * saidinesh5 might rip pieces of code from this for his other pet project | 07:13 | |
| saidinesh5 | https://tox.im/ seems like an interesting thinng to have a QML UI for.... | 07:14 |
| coderus | its already under development :) | 07:14 |
| saidinesh5 | nah their QML UI hit a deadend | 07:15 |
| coderus | i mean own native | 07:15 |
| coderus | and whole tox for harmattan/sailfish | 07:15 |
| saidinesh5 | Oh? | 07:15 |
| saidinesh5 | you mean you are writing one? | 07:15 |
| coderus | not me | 07:16 |
| saidinesh5 | oh then? | 07:16 |
| coderus | but i know who is :) | 07:16 |
| saidinesh5 | heh who? | 07:16 |
| saidinesh5 | links please? | 07:16 |
| saidinesh5 | i wanted to experiment with a couple of neat ideas for this one... | 07:17 |
| coderus | you'll see when it will be something to show | 07:17 |
| saidinesh5 | oh.... | 07:17 |
| coderus | its not even alpha :D | 07:18 |
| saidinesh5 | hehe i m willing to try it out | 07:18 |
| saidinesh5 | and hopefully contribute | 07:18 |
| saidinesh5 | or fork }:) | 07:18 |
| coderus | it will be available later of course :) | 07:18 |
| saidinesh5 | i wanted to write a client for this mainly to understand how to make proper reactive UIs | 07:19 |
| saidinesh5 | like the same code running on desktop, android, my n9... | 07:19 |
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| coderus | use asynchronous actions everywhere | 07:20 |
| coderus | move to threads everything other :) | 07:20 |
| coderus | and it will be very reactive :) | 07:20 |
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| saidinesh5 | heh no no ... i meant the other kind of reactive | 07:21 |
| saidinesh5 | you know same qml code adapting different layouts on tablets, mobiles, desktops | 07:21 |
| saidinesh5 | https://github.com/custodian/meetox Aaaaah this one? :P | 07:22 |
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| Jonni | coderus: thanks for the paste, I'll have a look when I have time. | 07:28 |
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| coderus | Jonni: this one: http://paste.kde.org/pu5kgvogq :) | 07:33 |
| coderus | saidinesh5: aha | 07:33 |
| coderus | saidinesh5: i prefer custom native interfaces than blowing mind with flexible crossplatform adaptations | 07:34 |
| saidinesh5 | coderus: that's actually why i wanted to experiment with this.... like to actually see how much of the UI code can be shared without affecting the user experience | 07:36 |
| saidinesh5 | shared/reused | 07:37 |
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| coderus | for android/ios it will probably works, but not BB10/Sailfish | 07:39 |
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| coderus | unless you're making something simple like paint tools | 07:41 |
| coderus | then you can make one interface for everything :D | 07:41 |
| coderus | as it should be connected with nativve platform features | 07:42 |
| coderus | should not* | 07:42 |
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| saidinesh5 | mhm.. even i m skeptical about how it would work on SailfishOS though | 07:46 |
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| zuh | Well, you can run Qt/QML apps in iOS and Android so if you stick to basic QML components... :) | 07:51 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.7.4 update. Fixed offline messages. Download: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu Changelog: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.7.4 | 08:06 |
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| coderus | good developing mood today :) | 08:08 |
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| saidinesh5 | coderus: can i copy the config files from one device to another device and run Persecute/Mitakuuluu on both at the same time? | 08:12 |
| coderus | saidinesh5: no http://www.whatsapp.com/faq/general/21009863 | 08:14 |
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| saidinesh5 | coderus: no.. the other phone doesn't even have a simcard | 08:15 |
| saidinesh5 | i wanted to test out Mitakuuluu on the N950, which has a sailfishOS.. while my primary phone is my N9 | 08:15 |
| saidinesh5 | on which i already have whats app running | 08:15 |
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| coderus | you cant use it at the same time | 08:28 |
| coderus | new connection will replace old. and after 3-5 replaces your account will be blocked | 08:29 |
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| Nc_ | Reading the log from yesterday's meeting, particularly about Bluetooth (BT) support - are there more documentation/notes available about the issues related to BT? | 08:31 |
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| coderus | Proximity speaker patch for patchmanager: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/proximity-speaker-patch | 08:51 |
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| coderus | SK_work: ping | 09:11 |
| SK_work | coderus: pong | 09:11 |
| coderus | can you check my patch? and i didn't understood how it supposed to work | 09:11 |
| coderus | it said applied, but i dont see changes in files... | 09:12 |
| coderus | and also it required to restart process to work | 09:12 |
| SK_work | coderus: it does requires the processus to restart, I agree | 09:12 |
| SK_work | please paste your patch | 09:12 |
| SK_work | and you have log in /var/lib/patchmanager/ausmt/ausmt.log | 09:12 |
| SK_work | :) | 09:12 |
| coderus | https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/proximity-speaker-patch | 09:12 |
| coderus | log says success success success | 09:13 |
| SK_work | coderus: do you have source ? | 09:13 |
| SK_work | at work, I cannot open rpm easily :d | 09:14 |
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| coderus | install it :) | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | proximity speaker? | 09:15 |
| coderus | yes | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | i'm curious, tell me more | 09:15 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: loudspeaker when device is far, ihf when close | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | clever | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | remember to count for headphone | 09:16 |
| SK_work | coderus: :( | 09:16 |
| SK_work | ok | 09:16 |
| SK_work | will do | 09:16 |
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| coderus | SK_work: https://github.com/CODeRUS/voicecall-proximity-speaker-changer | 09:19 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: okay i'll check when patchmanager work :) | 09:19 |
| SK_work | coderus: nope, doing it wrong :D | 09:20 |
| SK_work | the patch name must be unified_diff.patch | 09:20 |
| coderus | :D | 09:21 |
| coderus | you never said me that :D | 09:21 |
| SK_work | IIRC I have written this on the TMO first page | 09:21 |
| coderus | SK_work: can you also add process_to_kill option? | 09:21 |
| SK_work | coderus: but I'm sorry | 09:21 |
| SK_work | indeed :) | 09:21 |
| SK_work | coderus: post in TMO | 09:21 |
| coderus | its useless without killing processs | 09:21 |
| SK_work | will keep this idea :) | 09:21 |
| coderus | since voicecall-ui in prestart | 09:21 |
| SK_work | coderus: post on TMO please (so I don't forget :)) | 09:22 |
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| coderus | SK_work: added | 09:23 |
| SK_work | coderus: thanks :) | 09:23 |
| coderus | okay, thanks for everybody, will continue at evening :) | 09:24 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: you might be interested in http://paste.kde.org/pu5kgvogq also :) | 09:24 |
| coderus | and probably SK_work too | 09:24 |
| SK_work | coderus: what's this ? | 09:25 |
| coderus | maze loc PoC | 09:25 |
| coderus | maze lock* | 09:25 |
| SK_work | coderus: guessed it :) | 09:25 |
| SK_work | coderus: <3 you are awesome | 09:25 |
| coderus | i'm not sure how it should work, just implemented my mind's variant | 09:26 |
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| coderus | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26659227/jolla/pinentry-0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm | 09:31 |
| coderus | if you're lazy to compile | 09:31 |
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| situ | Interesting read http://marksands.github.io/2014/05/27/how-apple-cheats.html | 10:46 |
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| kimmoli | hmm... some of them seems to be missing from phone ,at least on jolla-browser some are shown just grey box >> http://rsiqueira.postbit.com/upload/2/posts/unicode.html | 10:50 |
| special | kimmoli: the list of installed fonts is pretty minimal | 10:52 |
| kaltsi | alsto the airplane char isn't shown correctly.. :( | 10:52 |
| kaltsi | also | 10:52 |
| special | if you install a font with those characters it will be used | 10:52 |
| kimmoli | i'd like to use OHM character Ω, but seems that it makes Label text object higher that when it is not used... kinda spoils layout when toggling (A,V. Ω), have to make Label height fixed just for that | 10:54 |
| kimmoli | or use some magic to make it smaller there | 10:54 |
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| kaltsi | if can avoid fixed label height, it would be better.. what if the font size becomes adjustable? | 10:59 |
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| cos- | i finally tested the qwerty other half. pretty nice, but very prototypish. | 11:09 |
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| Acce | cos-: did you buy one? | 11:15 |
| cos- | Acce: nope but a colleague has it | 11:16 |
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| cos- | looks like something i could build myself. afaik the keyboard connects directly to i2c. | 11:16 |
| Acce | yeah | 11:16 |
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| Acce | it uses the TI TCA8424 chip | 11:17 |
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| Acce | and the software stack for I2C HID exists apparently | 11:17 |
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| cos- | i also have the parts for battery toh.. only the time to hack one together is missing | 11:18 |
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| Acce | I have parts for a keyboard toh now, free samples from TI and BT keyboard, just yesterday tried to edit the TOH model to print for it | 11:19 |
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| Acce | but unfortunately there are some problems with the official .stl, openScad wouldn't render & export it properly, even after fixing it with Meshlab.. | 11:20 |
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| cos- | try cycling it via blender | 11:21 |
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| cos- | doesn't anyone have ops? | 11:21 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | kaltsi: but i would need to change fontsize of part of label.. or add separate label for units... | 11:21 |
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| Acce | cos-: thanks, I'll try that | 11:22 |
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| cos- | i did my modifications with blener, but it's not very good for cad | 11:22 |
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| cos- | have you tried my 3d printer optimized versions? | 11:23 |
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| kimmoli | i just remodelled that toh from scratch, makes easier to change in future for different things from sources | 11:23 |
| Acce | no I haven't, where can I get them? | 11:23 |
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| cos- | http://5w.fi/5blog/2014/02/04/3d-printed-the-other-half-for-jolla/ | 11:24 |
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| cos- | or directly to files http://www.modeemi.fi/~cosmo/toh/ | 11:25 |
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| Acce | ok, thanks for the tip, I'll try to work from these | 11:46 |
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| ziggy42 | In which folder can I find the SQLite database of my app? | 12:37 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | where did you put it? my is in .local/share/... | 12:37 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | using some defaultpaths | 12:38 |
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| ziggy42 | I didn't specify where to put my db | 12:40 |
| ziggy42 | so ok thanks | 12:40 |
| ziggy42 | I'll look in it | 12:40 |
| ziggy42 | Found, thank you | 12:42 |
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| stephg | good afternoon evertone | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | good afternoon | 13:45 |
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| tbr | phdeswer: ok, I'm heading north on friday. if you want to usb-host hack tomorrow, I'm game | 14:02 |
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| phdeswer | tbr: cool. Would be good to do. When and where would suit you to meet? | 14:04 |
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| tbr | phdeswer: we can meet at my place or somewhere else, have no specific preferences | 14:08 |
| phdeswer | I'll bring the beer and come to your place. Early afternoon? | 14:09 |
| phdeswer | tbr: of course address and stuff in private ;) | 14:09 |
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| tbr | phdeswer: works for me. | 14:15 |
| tbr | phdeswer: I'll supply the whisky for after the coding/testing | 14:15 |
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| phdeswer | tbr: victory whiskey sounds good :) | 14:17 |
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| faenil | :D | 14:18 |
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| rubdos | Putting a new microSD card in my jolla :D | 19:15 |
| rubdos | 64 gb... They didn't have 128 :( | 19:15 |
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| rubdos | SpeedEvil, insert disk 4 out of 3244 | 19:29 |
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| tortoisedoc | ahoi sailors! | 21:35 |
| tortoisedoc | a quick question | 21:36 |
| tortoisedoc | how to hide an application window from within qml? | 21:36 |
| tortoisedoc | I believe there is already some signal? | 21:36 |
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| lbt | hmm | 21:36 |
| tortoisedoc | or should I roll my own? | 21:38 |
| tortoisedoc | i tried appwindow.visible = false | 21:38 |
| tortoisedoc | but no go | 21:38 |
| lbt | I don't *think* you can do it in QML | 21:38 |
| kimmoli | this you mean? https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-applicationwindow.html#deactivate-method | 21:38 |
| tortoisedoc | kimmoli:bingo | 21:39 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks! | 21:39 |
| kimmoli | nop | 21:39 |
| lbt | tortoisedoc: oh - I thought you meant 'hide' not minimise | 21:39 |
| lbt | ie not show a cover | 21:39 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt : yeah sorry, my misexplanation | 21:40 |
| lbt | np - fwiw you can hide but yes, it's a lot more complex | 21:40 |
| tortoisedoc | hmmm | 21:40 |
| tortoisedoc | nogo : | | 21:40 |
| tortoisedoc | even with deactivate | 21:40 |
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| kimmoli | höh | 21:40 |
| tortoisedoc | retesting | 21:40 |
| tortoisedoc | ok second test counterfeits and is GO :) | 21:41 |
| tortoisedoc | so something is wrong in my mousearea | 21:41 |
| tortoisedoc | grr | 21:41 |
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| kimmoli | before i test, does this point to /home/nemo/Pictures? QStandardPaths::PicturesLocation | 21:46 |
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| kimmoli | it does... | 21:54 |
| lbt | I use m_picDir=QStandardPaths::standardLocations(QStandardPaths::PicturesLocation).first(); | 21:54 |
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| phaeron | [PSA] Store repository going down for maintenance | 21:55 |
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| tortoisedoc | w00t | 21:58 |
| tortoisedoc | it works! :D | 21:58 |
| tortoisedoc | awesome | 21:59 |
| * artemma is reading Qt 5.3 announcement. There is QML compiler now! Startup time on Sailfish is something that could benefit from improvement. Anybody knows if QML compiling can help significantly there? | 21:59 | |
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| tortoisedoc | artemma : static compilation is not necessarily optimized for device | 22:00 |
| faenil | artemma, Qt Enterprise only | 22:00 |
| artemma | oh.. | 22:00 |
| artemma | sad | 22:00 |
| artemma | but then again it's my *thinking* that QML parsing is what's most slow for Sailfish app starts. Maybe top bottleneck is elsewhere | 22:01 |
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| * artemma just came from a three year trip and is reading lots of announcements happened meanwhile | 22:02 | |
| artemma | Hey, Jolla seems to [unofficially?] expect paid apps support to come in 2H 2014 https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/004063.html Anybody knows details about it? | 22:03 |
| artemma | Really coming? Just simple paid apps or also subscriptions and in-app purchases? | 22:04 |
| tortoisedoc | oh man | 22:07 |
| tortoisedoc | qml is great | 22:07 |
| tortoisedoc | had forgotten how good it was in harmattan already D | 22:08 |
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| tortoisedoc | ok next question | 22:12 |
| tortoisedoc | does silica support swipe gestures? | 22:12 |
| tortoisedoc | I forgot to add the yet :P | 22:12 |
| tortoisedoc | I found this | 22:13 |
| tortoisedoc | https://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2010/10/05/getting-in-touch-with-qt-quick-gestures-and-qml/ | 22:13 |
| tortoisedoc | but is it still valid? | 22:13 |
| tortoisedoc | it's pretty old (harmattan) | 22:13 |
| artemma | I think Silica supports gestures fine (e.g. pinch zoom and rotation), but I haven't tried myself | 22:14 |
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| * artemma would also be careful with app-specific gestures as IMHO Sailfish is already quite overloaded with [not very consistent] system-wide gestures. Throwing more gestures on top could confuse user even more | 22:15 | |
| tortoisedoc | artemma : pinch / zoom / rotation are out of scope for now, I would need only swype-style :| | 22:15 |
| artemma | tortoisedoc: that's exactly what I would be very careful with in Sailfish :) | 22:16 |
| artemma | it's already very heavy on swiping | 22:16 |
| tortoisedoc | artemma : yes unfortunately that is the case :| | 22:16 |
| tortoisedoc | but one more swipe, how can it hurt ;) | 22:17 |
| artemma | I think (though not verified) that it is relatively easy to grab swipe gestures from system, there is even some TouchBlocker QML element for it, but UI-wise confusion could be great | 22:17 |
| artemma | tortoisedoc: yeah, sometimes I think it's precisely the motto Sailfish designers used :) | 22:17 |
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| * artemma is using Jolla heavily for half a year or so and still gets confused between swipe from edge and from screen center | 22:18 | |
| FireFly | artemma: "2H"? | 22:19 |
| artemma | FireFly: 2nd half | 22:19 |
| FireFly | Aha | 22:19 |
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| artemma | just when I started a project on making Qt Apps for iOS look real native :) | 22:22 |
| artemma | though watching now Qt on Android webinar and thinking that I should have started with Android probably | 22:23 |
| tortoisedoc | ha | 22:25 |
| tortoisedoc | https://gist.github.com/kovrov/1742405 | 22:25 |
| tortoisedoc | somebody has made a mouseswipe item :P | 22:25 |
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| phaeron | [PSA] store repo update done | 22:33 |
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| * artemma found a lo-o-ong thread in mailing list on Filip leaving Jolla community due to a lot of disappointment in reaction to what he cares about.. oh | 22:41 | |
| artemma | looks like a lot of things were happening while i was out :/ | 22:41 |
| tortoisedoc | heh | 22:44 |
| tortoisedoc | artemma | 22:44 |
| tortoisedoc | you missed the whole story? | 22:44 |
| tortoisedoc | have a nice read :) | 22:45 |
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| artemma | nah, not going to read it. Somebody got disappointed about Jolla direction too much. Well, happens | 22:48 |
| phaeron | was it because of lack of python support ? | 22:49 |
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| artemma | phaeron: I am not into reading whole story anyway. And I am not sure it matters | 22:51 |
| artemma | when somebody's values clash hard with somebody else's values.. well, that happens | 22:51 |
| phaeron | artemma: ok no problems , was just a general question , not to you specifically :) | 22:51 |
| artemma | I am not the best person to answer | 22:52 |
| faenil | well, it escalates when it reaches this kind of tones | 22:53 |
| faenil | https://twitter.com/fk_lx/status/471781224118517760 | 22:53 |
| artemma | being at a startup myself I know it's tough to make decisions there and when you go as public as Jolla, many people are likely to be disappointed | 22:53 |
| artemma | heck, I myself am not happy about many things in Jolla, but it's not me who is paying the bills. And the guys did quite many things well as well | 22:53 |
| artemma | oh, I guess I should stop discussing it at all then. Gets too personal and I don't know people involved much anyway. Except recalling that al of them seem to be full of good intentions | 22:55 |
| artemma | Back to actual Sailfish-Jolla topics: does anybody has a hint on Jolla sales numbers? | 22:57 |
| artemma | or users numbers or something like this | 22:57 |
| * artemma is trying to guesstimate the apps market size | 22:58 | |
| faenil | artemma, difficult to get a hint about that :) | 22:58 |
| faenil | my opinion is that it's not going *that* well, but it's not going terribly bad | 22:58 |
| artemma | it was quite easy to see before Jolla replaced exact Android downloads counter with 10000+ :) | 22:59 |
| faenil | :) | 22:59 |
| * artemma is looking for at least a semi-commercial reason to stay in Sailfish world, but can't quite see it :/ | 22:59 | |
| artemma | Well, maybe I should reevaluate things and be clear it's just a hobby for fun | 23:00 |
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| faenil | artemma, trying to make money with ads atm? | 23:01 |
| artemma | faenil: not really. Thinking about *any* biz model actually. And ads are least favorite of mine as that | 23:02 |
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| artemma | that's paying for reducing pain | 23:02 |
| faenil | artemma, yeah but if you can't *sell* anything | 23:02 |
| faenil | how are you supposed to make money | 23:02 |
| * artemma is in a big favor of subscriptions. Especially micro-subscriptions. IMHO it is the best incentive for devs to continue developing the same app | 23:03 | |
| faenil | yeah but how do you do that in sailfish apps? | 23:04 |
| faenil | do you have a custom platform? | 23:04 |
| artemma | faenil: if Jolla sales would be high enough for some general services companies to be interested in "a client for Sailfish OS too, please", there could be contractual opportunities | 23:04 |
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| faenil | artemma, ah I see | 23:04 |
| artemma | say, if GetPocket or Instagram or Twitter or whatever could be interested in covering Jolla as well | 23:04 |
| faenil | yeah | 23:05 |
| artemma | and then paid apps are supposed to be possible in 2014 | 23:05 |
| faenil | time to go to bed, see you people o/ | 23:05 |
| faenil | artemma, yeah, 2h :) | 23:05 |
| artemma | so just guessing now if it will be any real even for ice cream money | 23:05 |
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| faenil | artemma, eheh | 23:05 |
| stephg_j | weird tweetian won't launch | 23:05 |
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| stephg_j | and yet it launches from the command line | 23:10 |
| stephg_j | oops no segfault | 23:10 |
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| artemma | stephg_j: by command line I guess you mean /usr/bin/harbour-tweetian I don't think it's how Lipstick launches apps - it uses booster that might be failing | 23:14 |
| stephg_j | yeah, on a train and it will launch by gdb via fingerterm | 23:14 |
| stephg_j | but obvs now wont segfault :) | 23:14 |
| stephg_j | well one more intersting thing before I go into the acary dark park | 23:18 |
| stephg_j | launching it via gdb the fonts do the aame thing as apps do (e.g. foursail) whrn launched via the sdk | 23:18 |
| stephg_j | with the fonts in the pulley menu | 23:19 |
| sledges | artemma: help pushing flattr (et al.) idea to jolla then | 23:22 |
| sledges | we had discussion about paid store apps in last community meeting yesterday | 23:22 |
| artemma | sledges: something like flattr could work, though not sure if Jolla would like to partner with exactly flattr | 23:23 |
| artemma | hmm, I was reading some meeting logs now, but missed yesterdays meeting maybe :/ | 23:23 |
| sledges | worth a try | 23:23 |
| artemma | I do think though that not many people support subscriptions point of view | 23:23 |
| artemma | and, well, just-any-kind-of-payment would already be better than nothing. And simple paid apps are probably simplest possible thing | 23:24 |
| artemma | subscription and in=app purchases could be added later | 23:24 |
| sledges | any-kind-of-pay you mean a donate button? | 23:24 |
| sledges | for instance | 23:24 |
| sledges | ok, i let you read logs ;) | 23:25 |
| * sledges offs to sleep 28800 | 23:25 | |
| artemma | I was thinking more of just-pay-me-$2-for-app, but if donation is easier, that could be it | 23:25 |
| sledges | i guess something's in a way with that in .fi.. | 23:26 |
| artemma | bad for finnish devs as accepting donations here is a trouble, but for rest of the world it could be ok | 23:26 |
| sledges | iekku mentioned | 23:26 |
| sledges | that | 23:26 |
| * artemma can't see logs in mailing list :/ | 23:26 | |
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| sledges | http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-05-27-15.00.log.html | 23:27 |
| artemma | sledges: thanks | 23:29 |
| artemma | ah, I was reading summary for it: was just one or two lines :) | 23:29 |
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| * artemma just replied to mailing list with a wish for long time try-before-you-buy and [micro-]subscriptions later | 23:33 | |
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