Friday, 2014-06-13

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Almindorhey, I'm getting strange behavior from /proc/stat since the last upgrade03:18
Almindormy CPU idle ticks are dropping down sometimes, is there something I'm missing on the behavior of /proc/stat?03:19
Almindorsame for iowait03:19
Almindorseems top reports 2700% CPU usage (total not per process) sometimes too03:33
AlmindorI can get it if I watch top over ssh and move about the main screen a bit03:34
Almindorseems when the cpu usage goes up the iowait and idle ticks drop (specifically it seems for 2nd cpu)03:34
AlmindorI wonder if it's related to some sort of power state change03:34
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Penthotalhello everybody04:53
Penthotalsince the last update my battery drain faster04:55
PenthotalDoes someone has the same problem04:56
Stskeepswhat services and accounts do you have?04:56
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faidenAfter the update mine seems better in fact. Try turning of the NFC chip service05:00
Juubamy phone seems sluggish sometimes05:00
Juubathe browser is slow when initially contacting, or starting the load of a new URL05:01
Juubabattery life seems also a bit shorter05:01
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Juubanot critical, lasts the whole day still05:01
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Penthotalservices ? accounts ?05:13
Stskeepsyeah, facebook, email accounts, etc05:14
Penthotal2 google just for mail and apps always open05:15
Stskeepsok, how about open tabs in browser?05:15
PenthotalI don't remember the command for disable nfc05:20
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JuubaCurrently, i only have 1 open tab in the browser... still, when I click a link in email or android facebook, it opens in the same tab (ok) but then: ... it takes a long moment until it starts to load anything05:48
Juubadunno what it is doing...05:48
Juubadataconnection is fine (just browsed emails/facebook)05:48
Juubaalso (have to check if it is the when sending MMS from the gallery, i'm unable to add more than 1 recipient05:50
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Juubayes it is there:
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faenilmorning o/06:45
Mailyaseenany eta for updte 7 for nexus 4?06:47
Stskeepsearly next week at this point06:47
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MailyaseenThanks stskeeps06:48
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HtheBdoes anyone know if it's possible (with a dirty hack) to let a Shortcut work from the lockscreen, even if the phone is locked?07:14
SK_workHtheB: what do you mean ?07:16
HtheBWell, when your phone is locked with a code, you can't select any of the "Shortcuts"07:16
HtheBalthough, 1 is STILL possible: Turn sounds on/off07:16
HtheBSo there could be a (dirty) way to get this to work for my shortcut as well07:17
HtheB(The "Connect to Internet" shortcut of yesterday)07:17
HtheBSomeone replied:   Any chance of getting it active in the pulley meny while phone is locked?07:18
HtheBSo that is why I want to look into this :)07:18
Nicd-HtheB: nice work on the shortcut app :)07:20
HtheBThanks to Wnt and SK_work :)07:20
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Nicd-do you have the sources somewhere?07:20
HtheBIt's basically just a .desktop file07:21
HtheBwhich triggers a command07:21
Nicd-yeah, but it could be useful for others who are learning07:21
SK_workHtheB: I can't connect to internet entry of the FAQ is nice :07:21
Nicd-also to have the rpm generation files (spec/yaml if it has those)07:21
HtheBheheh :D07:22
Nicd-how did you make the rpm?07:23
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HtheBkimmoli did, since I was at work07:23
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SK_workHtheB: push on github ? :)07:24
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cos-looks like the latest update brought some new bugs :-/07:26
cos-i got a nice combo: virtual kb crashed (disappeared, came back without completitions), then black screen + green led, and finally all apps had disappeared and some didn't start anymore.07:27
kimmoliHtheB: i have the rpm build environment, which i run on my phone07:27
HtheBI have some major bugs with the terminal as well :/07:28
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HtheBI don't know if it was like that before too, but when typing a whole command, and using Backspace, it is going insane07:28
Nicd-cos-: they always do, that's the world of software07:28
Armadillogood morning07:29
Nicd-HtheB: define insane07:29
HtheBit leaves letters on screen, while you've deleted them, and then suddenly jumps to other letters and stuff07:29
cos-Nicd-: i (again) thought that the latest update would be flawless :-)07:29
HtheBsometimes, it doesnt even show you that you're typing something07:29
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Nicd-HtheB: locally or over mosh/ssh?07:30
Nicd-maybe a problem with unicode chars07:31
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HtheBi haven't used any special chars, only dashes....07:31
HtheB(if you would call a 'dash' a special char..)07:31
Nicd-it's not because it's in ASCII07:32
Nicd-in this case07:32
HtheBIt happened to me after editing something in nano07:33
Nicd-maybe there were unicode chars in the file07:33
Nicd-sometimes they mess up terminals and they go haywire07:34
HtheBno there is not...07:34
HtheBwanna try it out? :)07:34
Nicd-if I have the same file07:34
HtheBshould be able to have the problem with all files though07:35
HtheBhang on let me pick a afile for you :P07:35
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HtheBNicd-: nano /usr/share/applications/fingerterm.desktop07:39
HtheBthen go to the last line and hold backspace button, look what happens ;)07:39
HtheBif you pick a file that has a longer line of code, it will go really insane, with the fingerterm.desktop file, it;s just only happening a little weird on the last line07:40
cos-oh, and also after today's crash all the app launcher icons were reordered alphabetically with expections..07:40
HtheBcos-: folders?07:41
Nicd-HtheB: yeah, I see07:41
cos-HtheB: i don't have any yet07:41
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Morpog_Jolla_coderus: so far it works very good, no hung connection, no non sent messages, no reconnections07:51
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kaltsissh user@example.com08:23
kaltsioops.. wrong place to test fingerterm :)08:24
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dr_gogeta86coderus, tested this morning video feature08:35
dr_gogeta86iphone don't play audoi08:35
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faenillpotter, any comment on this?
faenilI'd like to know more, as I'm one of those wondering what's wrong with WPA2 enterprise08:43
faenil(I read the thread on connman ML about config files, fwiw)08:43
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leszekhmm... no sdk update ever worked for me. WTF08:49
leszekturn update off it doesn't work08:49
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lpotterfaenil: we're upgrading to 2.2, which has that patch reverted08:53
faenillpotter, yeah, but why is it reverted, is it reverted upstream?08:54
faenilI see :/08:54
faenillpotter, and what can you say about the wpa2 ent situation, generally speaking?08:54
lpotterwe need to stabilize connectivity before we start on that feature08:57
dr_gogeta86lpotter, bad news from italy08:57
dr_gogeta86hot-fixed and lost connectivity on WIND08:57
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faenillpotter, okay08:58
faenildr_gogeta86, I have WIND, 3G, working08:58
dr_gogeta86! in 3g08:58
Merbotdr_gogeta86: Error: "in" is not a valid command.08:58
DevBotdr_gogeta86: Error: "in" is not a valid command.08:58
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dr_gogeta86faenil, I'm in panic09:00
lpotterdr_gogeta86: have you tried to connect to it via connection selector?09:03
dr_gogeta86done but not works09:03
dr_gogeta86lpotter, how to get log ?09:03
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lpotterneed developer access and connman-tracing and connectionagent-qt5-tracing. reboot. then use journalctl09:05
leszekcan the mer vm and tools be reinstalled without reinstalling the whole sdk ?09:05
tbryou can just download the VM disk image and replace it09:06
* tbr has done that09:06
tbrofc you have to redo everything that was inside09:06
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leszekah damn it. I jus remove and reinstall the whole sdk09:11
leszekthe update process never worked for me anyways. It can't replace the old vms09:11
dr_gogeta86give me an ip on rmnet009:12
dr_gogeta86inet scope global rmnet009:13
dr_gogeta86    inet brd scope global rmnet009:13
dr_gogeta86is courious09:13
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tortoisedocthis prf feature is a bit tricky imp09:23
tortoisedocsure, it spares you typing09:23
tortoisedocbut first it hides what it actually includes (unless you see the webpage)09:23
tortoisedocand second, you cannot remove the entries it appends to the INSTALL (or at least I cant)09:24
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dr_gogeta86lpotter, at work open wifi is with captive portal09:27
dr_gogeta86doesn't work09:27
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dr_gogeta86faenil, wind is down here in rome ....09:30
dr_gogeta86for the god sake09:30
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coderusdr_gogeta86: i dont care about your iphone :D09:40
Armadillohow can I change the color of a Textswitch element?09:40
coderusArmadillo: text color?09:40
coderusand morning to everybody09:40
Armadillomorning coderus09:41
Armadillocolor property is not allowed :-/09:41
coderusyou cant change color :)09:42
coderusyou can only enable/disable highlight property09:43
Armadillodamn ^^09:43
coderusyou can make own component if you really want to change text color of textswitch09:44
Armadillosure, but I wanted to avoid this :D09:45
Armadillowell, thanks anyway :)09:45
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carepackis sailfish supporting on nexus 4 Qi? Or it's independent from the running operating system?09:59
Stskeepssupposedly that worked09:59
tbrI think that just works09:59
carepackok. thx09:59
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HtheBDoes anyone know if there is any chance of getting a shortcut active in the pulley meny while phone is locked?10:01
tbrcarepack: I can tell you in 5min. Just need to charge this Nx4 enough to not immediately die when I remove USB.10:01
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carepacktbr: would be appreciated :-) thx10:02
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dr_gogeta86lpotter, sorry for you10:05
dr_gogeta86is a provider fault10:05
tbrcarepack: charger lights up like a christmas tree, phone makes a happy bleepbloop and screen lights up. I'd say that's clear enough? ;)10:05
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carepack:-) thx10:05
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coderusHtheB: what you mean?10:18
HtheBif you have set up a lock code on your phone, you wont be able to select the shortcut from the lockscreen10:20
leszekanyone still suggestions for some quick fixes in webcat ? usability wise maybe ?10:21
HtheBWell, you CAN select "Sounds on/off" from the lockscreen, even if it asks for the password10:21
HtheBso I'm pretty sure some (dirty) hack/code can enable my shortcut even if there is a password.10:22
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coderusHtheB: sure, you can modify lipstick qml files10:22
HtheBany idea which qml file it is?10:23
coderusno :)10:23
coderusit's easy to search anyway10:23
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Sceltfgrep 'Sounds on' *.qml10:24
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HtheBI think I need some help10:59
HtheBI couldnt find the "Shortcuts on lockscreen" qml10:59
HtheBWell.. I did, but I couldn't find the place where to activate a shortcut even if the lockcode is on10:59
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HtheBI've find a shortcuts.qml file at /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/shortcuts. The file has a line that says >>>  key: "/desktop/lipstick-jolla-home/lock_screen_shortcuts"11:02
specialwell, they show up as disabled in the pulley menu while locked, right?11:03
HtheBI am looking for a way to show 1 shortcut enabled11:04
specialthat's controlled by the 'enabled' property of MenuItem inside the PullDownMenu11:04
HtheBwhere can I find it11:05
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faenildr_gogeta86, WIND 3g error here as well11:51
dr_gogeta86faenil, Traffic exchange fail :-D11:51
faenildr_gogeta86, so is it WIND or is it jolla11:51
dr_gogeta86i've talked to their noc some second afeter jolla fail11:51
dr_gogeta86i've swapped11:51
dr_gogeta86with tim sim11:52
dr_gogeta86but I'needed to swap also siae router route11:52
wazdhey people11:55
faenilwazd, sup man!11:55
wazdI'm still struggling with Sailfish UI icons sources, can't find proper one to "mimic"11:56
wazdoh, cool, I've been excluded from Meecast as a UI designer, how cool is taht11:57
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wazdStskeeps: I'm not sure, but I don't see myself in "info" anymore11:59
wazdwhatever, can somebody give me some basic navigation icons from Sailfish (like arrows and stuff) so I can copy right angles and radiuses?12:01
dr_gogeta86wazd, say that on next irc session12:01
wazddr_gogeta86: ok12:02
specialwazd: aside from what's available in the device icons, you mean?12:04
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wazdspecial: no, just them. I don't have the device yet and interwebs are pretty much silent on that matter. I just don't know what icons are already available and what icons I should draw myself12:05
specialah :|12:05
specialI don't know if the icons can currently be distributed aside from the device12:06
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wazdspecial: srsly :(12:06
dr_gogeta86see in sdk asset12:07
dr_gogeta86in virtual machine12:07
specialah, good point12:08
wazddr_gogeta86: I'm a dumb designer, give me a break :D12:09
wazddr_gogeta86: Thanks, I'll try :)12:09
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SK_workfaenil: it's for you ^12:10
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faenilSK_work, thanks!12:11
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SK_workLars speaking about the companies contributing: we have Jolla, we have Intel (that's actually one person) :D12:12
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wazdIf I understand that shot correctly:
wazdButtons as icons should have circled zones around12:15
wazdand swtches/tabs should not12:15
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dr_gogeta86SK_work, which minute12:34
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FireFlywazd: what kind of navigation icons?12:50
FireFlymost of the navigation is done by dragging/swiping, so pretty much the only "navigation" indication is the glass-texture dots in the top-left (visible in the screenshot you posted)12:51
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SK_workdr_gogeta86: watch it fully :) ?13:03
SK_workdon't know13:03
dr_gogeta86not so much13:04
kimmoliwazd: See here for example buttonicons; and also here for using your own icons.13:04
kimmoli*example of DIY button icons13:04
nodevelhey, I'm trying to figure if it's possible to access incoming message. I'm developing a app that would send out an SMS message (a reservation) and then parse the confirmation SMS message that would be received shortly after. can one watch for incoming messages over dbus? thanks13:05
nodevel*an app13:06
Nicd-nodevel: coderus's mitakuuluu catches the incoming registration SMS, maybe look at his code13:06
specialit is unsupported and dirty, but the simplest way is to watch for signals from ofono13:07
nodevelNicd: oh, I didn't know that (as I'm not using whatsapp). I'll look into it. thank you13:07
Nicd-nodevel: the code is at and you can surely ask him for pointers too13:07
nodevelspecial: ok, thanks. dirty is ok, as it is currently just a personal project13:08
Nicd-that might help :)13:08
nodevelgreat :) yep, ofono stuff13:09
Nicd-I don't see how that is dirty, unless the signal is undocumented13:09
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specialit's dirty because ofono is a low level component with a lot of privileged responsibility13:10
nodevelwell, I can see a security problem with an app listening to sms messages :) but that's jolla's responsibility not to allow such apps into harbour13:10
nodevelI'm aiming for OpenRepos (with appropriate warning) at most13:13
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chem|sthey folks, I activated prefixes on tmo:software category, so please add yourself to the developer group and prefix stuff, don't start new threads, request moves instead please. Anyone up for a mod position (I want explicitly devel folks for that as it is about those categories) PM me13:51
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squiddwow, I'm surprised how well hay day runs on jolla :O13:53
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chem|stsquidd: as long as there is no QIIIA there is no game on Jolla!13:54
squiddI HAS HAYDAY13:54
squiddOnly game needed13:54
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cos-i can't figure out how to create folders in launcher. i think it's a usability issue.13:56
specialit works the same way as every platform I know of; you drag an app on top of another one13:56
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specialmaybe we need better/more responsive feedback when you do13:56
cos-ok, i don't think i've used such platform13:56
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cos-there should be some kind of hint in the app launcher configuration mode13:57
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squiddcoderus: why does mitakuuluu connect automatically when I select disconnect from they pulley14:00
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coderussquidd: fill bugreport?14:03
squiddI just did one line above14:03
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SK_workchem|st: maybe for next SailfishOS community meething, this topic can be interesting14:51
SK_work(coding compet)14:52
chem|stSK_work: very, I was trying to get a reply from Jolla for about 6 month now, noone ever answered14:52
Stskeepswell, now we have a better framework to discuss such things..14:53
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chem|stStskeeps: hopefully14:53
Stskeepsjust try to get a lead time on a week if possible, easier to get better answers..14:54
SK_workStskeeps: please, no TJC :D14:54
chem|stI do not demand anything but someone could have replied emails at least14:54
chem|stit is not like we are nobody...14:54
StskeepsSK_work: tjc, that's an amazing idea..14:54
SK_workStskeeps: :(14:54
chem|stoh tjc is bugtracker, Q&A and brainstorm in one place...14:55
SK_workchem|st: TJC is a mess14:56
SK_workI'm even afraid to go on TJC14:56
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phaeronthe community is part of the "together". you should be helping there as well as asking .15:03
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* vgrade goes to get beer for the football15:08
chem|stSK_work: so is tmo atm15:08
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chem|stphaeron: it already splits between tmo/SFOS ML/TJC15:09
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wazdguys, is that circular thing a system widget or a custom one?
wazdcause I've seen it in "memory" settings of the OS but it was smaller16:45
SK_workwazd: you might have different sizes16:51
SK_workone sec16:51
wazdyeah, I suppose it's a progress bar on top of two text labels16:51
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SK_workwazd: rah, no docs16:52
SK_workthe circular thing exists inside Silica16:52
wazdis it "busy indicator"?16:52
SK_workI think you can define the size16:52
SK_workwazd: no16:52
SK_workcheck the examples dir, there is the component16:52
SK_workwazd: should be the progregress circle16:52
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wazdSK_work: cool, thank you16:59
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tbrlbt: any chance for chum7?17:16
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lbttbr: kinda - the latest release of sfos doesn't build on obs2.517:16
lbtso I need to fix ...17:16
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lbtgoddam my browser is slow17:17
virtualdkill it17:17
* lbt will17:17
lbtI hot-patched obs to fix the sb2-tools build (technically the packaging was broken but it built on old obs versions)17:19
lbtI need to fix the qt one which has a different but related error17:19
lbtStskeeps was looking at doing a fix for mer sb2-tools which I didn't have time to do myself17:19
lbtpersonally I just haven't felt like working today so I've been a) buying plants and b) snoozing :)17:20
lbt(and a little teeny bit of winning against aosp build)17:20
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leszekhmm... TextArea selectAll() and then copy() but still not able to paste anything with the keyboard. Is it a bug in sailfishos or am I doing something wrong ?17:42
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specialleszek: 90% sure that works. You can also assign to Clipboard.text, though. I'm not sure if that's documented.17:44
leszekspecial: it is documented but it seems not to be able to create the clipboard. It just fails whenever I add a clipboard item17:45
specialdoes long-press on a message in Messages and "Copy" work?17:46
leszekand yes it should work with copy() but it isn't. Maybe I need to restart something to make copy work again17:46
leszekspecial: exactly that does not work either17:46
specialsounds like you've broken the qtwayland clipboard somehow :p17:46
special(it doesn't work even when pasting in messages too?)17:47
leszekit does not copy anything17:52
leszeknormally when you mark a word it copies it but there is nothing17:52
specialreboot, I guess.17:52
leszekhmm... ok17:52
leszekI guess I know now why jolla did not introduce mark, copy & paste into sailfish-browser. Copy & paste is working to unreliably17:53
specialI've never seen it break.17:54
special..well, I haven't seen it break since release17:54
leszekisn't it suppose to autocopy when I mark something in the textarea ?17:56
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specialyou select it and tap the button on the upper left of the keyboard17:56
special..or maybe it does autocopy17:57
leszekthe problem is there is nothing in the upper left#17:57
leszekwhen I mark some text17:57
specialanyway, reboot17:57
leszekand yes I rebooted17:57
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specialare you using custom keyboard layouts or anything like that?17:58
leszekah ok now it works17:58
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leszekin messages17:58
leszekcopying that is17:58
leszekbut textarea in my app and trying to mark a word, nothing happens17:59
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leszekok weird. I fixed it. But how !?18:17
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netzviehit's a kind of magic18:32
netzviehthey just call it science because they want to cover the fact that they have no idea why something happens :)18:32
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leszektext selection in qtwebkit is a mess. I somehow now got a text selection js script stuff that somehow works but it can only catch paragraphs. And if you by accident make the text selection box to big it fetches the whole websites text. I had that. But anyways thats the best I could come up with so pushed to git18:38
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coderusAard: after update to connman hotfix i have a trouble :)19:10
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coderusmy wifi doesnt connect automatically anymore19:10
Aardcoderus: not at all, or only sometimes?19:11
Aardtigeli: ^^ you're deeper in that stuff nowadays :)19:12
coderusat all19:12
coderusboth mobile and wlan data are enabled19:12
coderusand phone prefer mobile data t han wlan19:12
coderusafter disabling mobile data it connected to wlan automatically19:12
coderusbut doesnt connect automatically if already connected to mobile data19:13
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lpottercoderus: what version of sailfishos?19:23
kimmolii has similar issues with hotfix today, did arrive to place where no mobile at all, enabled wifi, icon in lockscreen went crazy toggling wifi/mobile. No internet access, until switching mobile data off from settings.19:31
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lpotterdont suppose you have connman-tracing., connectionagent-qt5-tracing installed and logs ? :)19:38
lpotterno mobile network available?19:40
kimmoligoing to that place tomorrow again, installed those pkgs, how to enable logging?19:43
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lpotterkimmoli: the "toggling" of the indicator is what happens when the wifi and mobile data are both connected. It should stop and show what the default route is19:43
kimmoliit was like that for few minutes19:44
lpotterkimmoli: install connman-tracing and connectionagemt-qt5-tracing packages on commandline19:44
lpotterreboot is easiest19:45
lpotteras ofonod doesn't like to recover from connman being restarted19:45
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faenillpotter, you're awake? o.O19:49
lpotterhave been for a while. watching qt contributors summit video19:49
faenillpotter, what about this, my data icon is disabled19:50
faeniland there seems to be no way to enable it19:50
faenil(it's grayed out)19:50
faenilcontext: there's been a national outage of my operator today19:50
lpotterthe favorite? or the one on the mobile data settings page?19:50
faenilso the phone kept connecting (and failing), until it disabled the mobile data, I guess19:51
faenillpotter, both19:51
lpotterahh ok. hmmm. might have taken connman sometime to realize the mobile service was gone19:51
faenilyeah but now there's no way to enable it...19:52
faeniland that's the problem :P19:52
lpotterdid ofonod crash?19:52
lpotteris that service back?19:53
coderuslpotter: i can get any logs you want19:53
coderusjust tell me howto19:54
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lpotter install connman-tracing and connectionagemt-qt5-tracing packages on commandline and reboot.19:54
lpotterthen get journalctl log19:55
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coderuscant reproduce it after reboot yet :D20:07
coderuswill send log if it happen again20:07
faenillpotter, sorry, it's my damn adsl...20:08
faenil<lpotter> ahh ok. hmmm. might have taken connman sometime to realize the mobile service was gone20:08
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faenil<faenil> yeah but now there's no way to enable it...20:08
faenil<faenil> and that's the problem :P20:08
faenil<faenil> (seeing many "problem with connection" is an issue as well, but that's another story)20:08
faenillast things I saw ^20:08
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lpotterfaenil: did ofonod crash? is the mobile network back?20:09
faenillpotter, just asked my housemate, it seems it's not back yet20:10
faenilso is it normal in those conditions?20:10
faenilok, cool20:10
faenillpotter, can I ask for a UI hint or something? XD20:11
faenilI felt lost...20:11
faenil"disabled" doesn't really mean "your network is not working" :D20:11
lpotterui hint was the greyed icon20:11
faenilyes, but then it says "disabled", which seems to imply (to me, at least) that I could have disabled it20:12
lpottertrue. perhaps 'no coverage' or something20:12
faenilI think something which makes me understand that it's not my fault would be better20:13
faenillpotter, yeah20:13
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* Aard likes faenils suggestion. that allows us to just use 2 error messages for everything. "it's your fault!". "oh, it's not your fault..."20:42
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lpotterhow about we blame the operator "<last known op> is crowded right now"20:46
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satmdthe changelog for the latest firmware speaks of folder support in the app launcher20:49
satmdwhat does that mean?20:49
lpotterdrag one icon and drop it on another it creates a folder that holds both20:50
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M4rtinKit even comes with a nice metagame :)20:53
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kimmolimake 10 folders -memorygame ?20:57
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satmdand it still seems the only way to get rid of the tutorial launcher is to remove the .desktop file21:03
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paulvtheya.. I'm trying to change the color of the switch in a TextSwitch and I just cannot find how to do it (like the backup setttings thing does with coloring it yellow when stored in the vault)21:36
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coderuspaulvt: you need to create own switch. sdk one doesnt have coloring option ;021:46
paulvtok, I figured as much21:46
paulvtI was actually looking in /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages for the page of the backup stuff, but it seems to be the only settings thing I cannot find21:47
coderusSwitch is GlassItem21:49
coderusmeans this lighing bubble :)21:50
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paulvtGlassItem is nothing that my SDK knows about22:01
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