Saturday, 2014-06-21

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fzkis juhannus at saturday?00:09
fzki always forget00:09
fzkgreat, in .se it is right now00:16
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StskeepsdwangoAC: monday04:30
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coderus_CvP_: no, it's need to create account wizard for every protocol.06:52
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Price15is there some problem with
coderusPrice15: i have no problems :)07:10
Price15I can't seem to get a login page07:11
Stskeepsisn't it account.jolla.com07:12
Price15yup thats the one. When I enter the URL it doesnt load the webpage07:13
coderusPrice15: your dns is broken then :)07:13
coderusadd in resolv07:13
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StskeepsPrice15: https:// ?07:16
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coderustwo processes using same qsettings and sometimes it completely cleaned because of some internal error.07:20
coderusi need to switch to dconf probably...07:20
coderusis dconf have load group list of values functionality?07:21
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faenilgood morning o708:23
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coderusis upgrade to saapunki moving gconf to dconf automatically?09:23
faenilI think so09:24
coderusok, thats good, thanks :)09:26
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phaeroncoderus: there was communication about it on the ml afair09:34
faenilcoderus, I remember someone talking about a script which would run after the update, which is supposed to do that09:35
coderusso it won't do it automatically for whole configuration?09:40
faenilcoderus, well, the script is "automatic" :D09:42
faenilbut I don't have details, it's just something I remember reading here or on #jollamobile09:42
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coderusi;m just thinking if i'll switch from qsettings to mgconfitem would app loose settings if user update sailfish from previous version to saapunki or newer09:50
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faenilmm don't know09:53
_CvP_is the "freemote" source free to download ?09:54
_CvP_coder: dridk09:55
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coderuswhy not to ask author? :D09:56
_CvP_ah found it on git hub09:59
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entilstarted doing something with the ide and... how do I package a js file properly? build output looks like it's not included, and obviously the app doesn't run either :/11:00
entilI guess I could just put it in qml/ and import "../foo.js" but that feels like it's in the wrong place11:04
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Nicd-entil: my javascript files are in qml/js for that reason11:18
Nicd-I don't think it's a bad solution though, since the js files are only used from the qml files11:18
entilNicd-: oh.. guess that's a bit better anyway :)11:18
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entilseems also the javascript is more restrictive in qml than in browsers.. mgr = this; is completely ok in the browser but here Error: Invalid write to global property "mgr"11:43
entilhooray for workarouns ;P11:43
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Nicd-entil: you cannot create global variables11:44
entilI'm not sure this is the best design for this... but var Foo = (function(foo, data) {...}(Foo, {}));11:45
entilthen I can use data11:45
entilbut because it's a workaround for not creating global variables it'll probably leak all the memory, and set the battery on fire11:46
Nicd-but if you just use 'var foo = something;' in the global scope (not inside a function) of your javascript file, you can use it elsewhere iith 'import "jsfile.js" as Foo; ... something ='11:46
Nicd-so what do you want to actually do?11:46
entilan mtg mana calculator :D with a manager object that keeps states like are we calculating the mana base for a limited or constructed deck (because that affects the ui a bit)11:47
entilfigured I'd have the js object, expose some relevant methods from it, and use qml only to call it11:48
Nicd-I think that's a valid way of doing it, if it works11:48
entilyeah, I was just taken a bit by surpriz that I couldn't do the old mgr = this; functin(foo) {mgr.format = foo;} kind of trick11:48
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Nicd-here's how I use moment.js in QML:
entilfunction setFormat(foo) would be more like it ;P11:49
Nicd-may help or may confuse you :P11:49
Nicd-I should update that, it seems there's version 2.7.0 already11:51
entilNicd-: I think it's more about distracting me, sorry :> it's a bit of tldr for now, because I kinda know what I'm doing here11:51
entilunless I missed something relevant, but dunno11:52
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Nicd-remember to use '.pragma library' if you want your JS file to have the same state in all QML pages11:53
Nicd-if it gets used in many pages, that is11:53
entilit gets reinstantiated otherwise?11:53
Nicd-yes, all pages get their own instance otherwise11:54
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entiloh yeah, I told it to be stateless, I guess11:55
entil... wtf... tested this.. by checking the "stateless" checkbox it adds .pragma library11:56
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entilso ok, it takes anything without state only ones to share around, which is what we want when we add our own state11:56
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Nicd-entil: yeah, stateless is kind of misleading, it just means it has one state that is the same for all pages12:11
Nicd-so a kind of a singleton12:11
entilthat'd make more sense naming-wise but might be a bit misleading for general libraries12:12
* stephg finally has a sim for his n412:12
entilthere are only two difficult things about programming, concurrency and naming ;)12:12
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Nicd-"I always thought the concurrency three hardest things in CS were naming things, cache invalidation and off-by-one errors."12:18
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Yanielyou forgot something12:22
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Yanieloh, nvm12:22
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entilI'd happily add anything related to UIs to that12:29
entilnot only that UI components always end up wheretf ever but also coming up with a usable ui in the first place12:29
entilguess only the first one of those is an actual programming thing12:30
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Nicd-Yaniel: your brain autofixed the sentence by skipping concurrency? :P12:31
Yanielno, it parsed it *with* concurrency12:33
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Yanielas something like "the three hardest concurrency things"12:33
entilthat documentation should've been better ;)12:33
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MSameercoderus: if you use mgconf item and the data is in gconf then it should be migrated to dconf after the update13:06
MSameercoderus: there is /usr/bin/gconf2dconf (code is in dconf repos) if you want to check13:06
* MSameer doesn't remember which update got dconf :D13:07
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entilis there really no event for navigateBack()? I mean if I wanted to reset state when the user swipes back, how would that happen?13:46
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entilguess it's not the end of the world resetting it when navigating forwards the next time...13:56
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coderusMSameer: saapunki of course :)14:09
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coderusentil: onStatusChanged: if (page.status === PageStatus.Inactive) {}14:10
coderusand you can also check pageStack.depth to be sure it's pop action and not pop14:11
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entilhmm, it clearly hits the onStatusChanged and the if but doesn't work exactly right, so it must be a bug in my code14:14
entilbut thanks14:14
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entilI wish there was a way to fix an element at the bottom of the page and have a scrollable/flickable above it, but apparently that's not possible14:17
entilwas thinking gridview, but that doesn't seem right14:18
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faenilentil, sorry, just read your last lines, but what's wrong with putting the item at bottom of the page and a list view above it?14:20
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entilfaenil: maybe I'm just stupid when it comes to UIs, but the way I built this, I have a bunch of Sliders and a Label, where the Sliders affect the Label14:21
entilfaenil: and it's a bit annoying to scroll down to the Label so I'd like it fixed at the bottom14:21
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entilafaict grid view is for slapping components one after the other and list view is for listing them... but nothing says "fix element at this position"14:22
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MSameercoderus: I really don't remember. I think it was update 7 :)14:22
entilhmm.. would this work so that I define a list view that's the hight of the device screen, minus the PageHeading and the Label at the bottom?14:22
faenilentil, something like Page { List { }        BottomItem { list.bottom; anchors.bottom: parent.bottom } }14:23
Morpog_PC___MSameer, from changelogs: update714:23
faenilentil, I think I need a drawing of what you're trying to do, sorry :)14:23
MSameercoderus: but yeah it should be migrated (unless something is wrong). sailfish gets migrated (either core apps or 3rd party apps)14:23
MSameerMorpog_PC___: thanks14:24
entilfaenil: I think that's actually helpful of you already :) I need to finish doing the cover text and then get back to the actual UI though14:24
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faenilentil, okay, if you need help just open a scratchpad and show me ;)14:24
entilfaenil: thanks, I might do that in a while :>14:24
faenil(I haven't used QML in a while, but we'll see ;) )14:25
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entilok, got the cover done, let's get back to the anchoring ;)14:31
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coderusjust share your code and we'll help :)14:33
coderusi read all your messages but can't understand what you want without seeing code:)14:33
entilsure, setting up a github repo now14:34
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entildunno if I should take another shot at this first.. but if it's obvious to you.. what I'd like to do is have the scrollable/flickable sliders at the top and the label fixed at the bottom and I think it's achors and height that does it, by what faenil said14:36
entilnot sure I see how to fit that into the SilicaListView model/delegate paradigm tho14:38
entilwhat if I just used Columns? Rectangles?14:39
faenilI still need a scratch :/14:39
faenilah ok14:39
faenilmaybe I got what you want14:39
faenilyou want the sliders to be in a list14:39
faeniland the final Label to be fixed at the bottom14:40
faenilwithout scrolling14:40
faenilis that it?14:40
entilwell.. let's say I want them in a list or whatever that separates them from the fixed-position label ;)14:40
entilafaict ListView means something else in qt14:40
entilin css I guess it'd be overflow: auto14:40
coderusentil: just move label out of flickable14:41
coderusset it anchors.bottom: page bottom14:41
coderusand flickable bottom: label.top14:41
coderusthat's it14:41
coderusyou can add margins at your own taste14:41
entilyeah, I need to work on FrontPage's margins and stuff like that later, and there are probably more subtle issues still with the sliders (what if someone needs to adjust the upper limit?)14:42
entilhaha I failed that so bad, it looks like crap14:43
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entildefinitely on the right track, though, but I must have made a silly mistake because the label is at the bottom ok but the heading and sliders start at the bottom too14:45
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faenilentil, sorry my connection is very unstable :(14:47
faenilbut it seems you got what you needed, by reading the chat log :)14:47
coderusfaenil: problem seems to be solved now :)14:47
entilnot exactly :/14:48
faenilok good14:48
coderusentil: m?14:48
entilI had to add to the flickable14:48
coderusentil: sure14:48
faenil<faenil> well, just take out the Label from the list and anchor it at the bottom14:48
faenilI sent that ^ but it seems it didn't make t14:48
entil        height: calcPage.height - summary.height14:48
coderusfaenil: it's why i'm using irssi in server screen :)14:48
entilthis seems broken as well14:48
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coderusentil: no, you dont need to subtract anythig14:49
faenilcoderus, I know, I know :D but I'm still against irssi... :D I'm so used to xchat, I find the layout lovely14:49
coderusyou just make Label sibling to flickable14:49
coderusfaenil: so, i'm oldschool14:49
coderusyou know14:49
locusfirssi <314:49
Nicd-weechat <314:50
coderusoh, i need to go, hope faenil can help you more14:50
coderusbrb in  a hour or so14:50
entilthanks coderus!14:50
faenilentil, Page { Flickable {; anchors.left:; anchors.right: parent.right; anchors.bottom: }  Label { anchors.bottom: parent.bottom; anchors.left: parent.left; anchors.right: parent.right } }14:50
faenilcoderus, yeah well, I always prefer cmdline over gui...but on IRC:..I still can't let go of xchat's layout :)14:50
faenilit's just too clean :D14:50
entil made it a sibling and added top anchoring, so it's _almost_ there14:51
entilwhen you say "anchors.left:;" you mean  "anchors.left: parent.left" yes?14:51
faenilyeah, ofc :)14:52
faenilentil, isn't your current calc.qml doing what you want?14:52
entilnope, it doesn't scroll the slider section and it renders the label on top of the sliders14:53
entilthat's why I was looking into heights, but that was apparently not ok14:53
faenilget rid of the flickable for a moment and just leave the label14:55
faeniland see if it anchors at the bottom of the page14:55
entilthat screenshot turned out pretty horrible .D14:56
entilbut it should show the anchors and a screenshot of how it fails14:57
faenilok so it is at the bottom14:57
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faeniltry adding "clip:true" to the flickable14:57
entilfaenil: oh whoah, that's definitely progress!14:58
entilnow if it only scrolled14:58
faenilalso, you deleted the "contentHeight" line in the Flickable14:58
faenilwhy did you do that? :)14:58
entilcarelessness :D14:59
entilwhen I thought I needed to adjust the height of the flickable to match everything except the label and whatever14:59
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entil[17:49] < coderus> entil: no, you dont need to subtract anythig15:00
entilthen I accidentally threw the whole line out15:00
entilbut you guys are amazing, this actually looks good now15:00
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entilsure I need margins and preferrably a fixed-width font, but thanks a million15:00
faenil_let me read chat log15:01
entilfaenil: btw I have ignored channel actions so I have no idea when you got disconnected15:01
entilactually it seems you haven't15:01
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faenil_not yet, the other "faenil" is still waiting for the 4mins timeout15:01
faenil_it will disconnect in a minute or so15:02
faenil_entil, anyway, so, it's doing what you want now? :)15:02
entilabsolutely, bro :)15:02
entilyou guys are amazing15:02
faenil_great :)15:02
faenil_nah, too kind!15:02
entilturns out I only need the bottom anchor on the label but all four anchors on the flickable15:02
faenil_I'll be working on my thesis (fighting with latek :P ) if you need help, shout :)15:03
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entilif you know why I need all the anchors, off the back of your hand, pray tell, but I think I have my own bugs and such to figure out now ;)15:03
faenil_I always specify all the anchors, I don't like weird sideeffects ;)15:03
entilchanging the land count without having mana counts prints out NaN and stuff like that15:03
entilyeah, I think I need to pick that habit up as well15:04
faenil_if you use fill: that's ok15:04
faenil_but if you don't15:04
entilbut the label top iirc caused issues15:04
faenil_I'd rather specify all of them15:04
faenil_well yeah15:04
faenil_because list bottom is using the label's height to know where to put itself15:04
faenil_if you also specify label top15:05
entillike in the Label { calcFlickable.bottom } would imo make sense15:05
faenil_both label and list expect the other to tell it where to take place15:05
faenil_not really15:05
entilthe renderer would resolve the circular nature of those and figure it out15:05
entilbut I guess it doesn't :D15:05
faenil_how can it figure it out15:05
faenil_it doesn't know flickables height :)15:05
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faenil_one has to take priority on the other, and how do you decide that15:05
entilI guess it would have to find it out...15:06
entilI dunno, checking for circularity as such is not an impossible task15:06
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faenil_no it can't find out, it's you who decide it's height :)15:06
faenil_of course, but that's not the problem15:06
entilso I guess I assumed it'd work here, but it's ok to remember, that I shouldn't specify the top, if I ever come across this again15:06
faenil_the problem is what height do you assign to the list?15:06
faenil_if you understand the problem you won't have to "remind" this ;)15:07
entilthe label you mean? the flickable has its height from the column inside it15:07
entiloh crap, it's not the height of the flickable but the height of its contents15:07
faenil_I think that's not how it works, due to Flickable's nature15:07
entilbut now if I _don't_ specify the top of the Label it knows how to calculate everything15:07
faenil_yes, because Label has its height (given by the paintedHeight probably)15:08
faenil_and the list will attach to that15:08
entilLabel is instantiated without content and then on onCompleted it gets the summary text; in theory I should probably be able to insert new lines there and silica/qt5 would adjust everything?15:08
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faenil_yes it should, as long as Flickable is anchored to label's top15:09
entilwonder if I could do this the other way around, remove anchors.bottom from the flickable and use in the label, I'll try that just to see what happens ;P15:09
faenil_how does it know what is flickable's bottom?15:09
entilthis'll probably just be broken but I want to see what it looks like15:09
faenil_there is a chance that it will look "good"15:09
entilit doesn't show the sliders at all15:10
faenil_but just because it would print text outside of its box15:10
entilbut it's stuff like this that makes me dislike css and even qml, I just don't understand the problems and solutions the same way I do with (some) other types of code :D15:10
faenil_if you remove anchors.bottom from the flickable, how do you expect it to know flickable's height? (genuine question)15:10
entilI would assume qt5 or silica or someone calculates it based on the label, if label has calcFlickable.bottom15:11
faenil_mmm, I don't get what's weird in this, honestly :)15:11
entilit would know the height of the label and the height of the screen and put the flickable on top of the label with that height15:11
faenil_yes, but how does it know what flickable.bottom means?15:11
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faenil_no, it shouldn't do that15:12
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faenil_because when you're defining anchors on label15:12
faenil_you're telling how LABEL should look15:12
entilhmmh... I guess my twisted mind thought it'd kinda like assign flickable.bottom maybe?15:12
faenil_not the flickable15:12
entilso because I'm not exactly anchoring the flickable at the top, I can't approach this through the flickable15:13
entilbut instead tell the flickable that it ends at the label and let the lable sort its top out by itself15:13
entilor something15:13
faenil_you *are* anchoring flickable at the top15:14
faenil_but you're not specifying its height15:14
faenil_so the system doesn't have a way to know where *you* want the flickable to end15:14
entilunless I anchor it to the label's top...15:15
faenil_on the other hand, the system *knows* where label ends, because it is a text element, and it knows its height15:15
entilI gave the flickable a height to see what would happen15:16
entiland removed the anchor15:16
faenil_the difference being that Flickable is something which is supposed to be smaller than its content, so it doesn't make sense for the system to assign it the height of its content (in this case the columN)15:16
entilso basically if anchors didn't exist, I would have to do all the subtraction myself and assign it to flickable's height15:16
entilnow I got this funky void between the Flickable and the Label ;P15:17
faenil_but anchors are one of the best things in qml15:17
faenil_you shouldn't think without them :P15:17
entilit sure seems that way15:17
entiland I can't believe that this crap actually looks semi-professional now15:17
faenil_ahha :)15:17
faenil_entil, I recommend reading
entilthere's the one divide by zero bug and I need to center the contents on FirstPage and then I might actually look into getting this to the store15:18
faenil_and there's also
faenil_those might clear your doubts a bit :)15:19
entilI think one of the android mana calc apps is the only reason I ever run the android environment anymore15:20
entilcuz I patched KibiTiles (git version) to give out 4s every once in a while so it matches the android version -> no need to run the android stuff for that either15:21
entilfaenil_: I'll most definitely need those now15:21
faenil_1.6dB SNR in download, I guess I'll be disconnected soon15:22
entilI just squashed what afaict is the last functional bug so I need to read up on my positioning15:22
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coderusentil: what the status?15:46
entilcoderus: looking good, thanks :>15:46
coderusgood :)15:46
entilhaving just a bit of a hard time with y padding on the label but this is way better than I ever imagined it'd be15:46
entilfaenil_ had some valuable links15:46
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faenil_there's anchors.margins, if you want the same padding for all anchors15:48
faenil_otherwise, you can give each anchors its own padding15:48
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entilfaenil_: that puts a padding on each assigned anchor?15:50
entilI actually traded in left and right on the Label for x because x: Theme.paddingLarge * 2 aligns it with the sliders15:50
entilthere's probably an implicit Theme.paddingLarge somewhere and another explicit one I put in Column's spacing15:51
entilactually what I'd like is margin at the top of the label and... y doesn't do it... and I can't assign either15:51
faenil_please, don't use x and y for this stuff15:51
faenil_there's margins, why not use those :)15:51
faenil_why do you want to use a fork to hit on a nail :D15:52
faenil_you can do that know :D15:52
entilok, fair enough, but anchors.left didn't put the proper margin in there..15:53
entilbecause it's not aligned with the sliders unless I do x: Theme.paddingLarge * 2 (or some equivalent I don't know of)15:53
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entilif I say anchors.left: parent.left; anchors.margins: Theme.paddingLarge * 2; it does align the left with the sliders but it looks ridiculous at the bottom, it's enough to have a single padding at the bottom15:54
entilfaenil_: but what can I do for the top? because there's no anchor defined for the top and y: .. silently fails15:55
entilanchors.topMargin fails too15:56
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entilI put an anchors.bottomMargin in the flickable :P15:58
entilnow it looks like it's a top margin in the label15:59
faenil__you can always put the label inside an Item15:59
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faenil__and handle paddings there15:59
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entilwould that be more correct than padding the bottom on the flickable?15:59
entillike from a best practices point of view?15:59
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faenil__well, I'm just a student, not a professional QML coder :) but it would make more sense, from my pov16:00
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faenil__but a padding at flickable's bottom also makes sense16:00
faenil__I'd choose both16:00
faenil__but it's not important16:00
entilto me it seems a bit of a hack... now I was expecting this flickable bottom to look different but it actually looks just as I need this to look16:00
entilso I'll stick to it because it's done :D16:01
faenil__what seems a bit of a hack16:01
entilhaving the label inside an item just to have something to pad against16:01
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entilI'd do that if padding the flickable bottom didn't look good, but it does look good, so I'm keeping it :)16:02
faenil__entil, in fact, you can probably also just set anchors.topMargin16:02
faenil__have you tried that?16:02
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entilI cannot set that on the label, I tried of course, but probably because it doesn't have defined it doesn't work16:02
entilthat's where I got the idea of padding the bottom of the flickable..16:03
faenil__honestly, I don't think having an Item is a hack, because it really is something the label is part of16:04
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faenil__don't know, makes a lot of sense in my mind :)16:04
faenil__you have this box, which holds this string of text16:04
faenil__and you place the string of text in the right position in this box :)16:04
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entilI dunno, I really don't :/16:05
entilbut I'm almost getting hungry, I accidentally spent the most of the day on this ;)16:05
entilI should install it on my phone and see if it works irl at all16:05
faenil__ahah :)16:05
entilanyone play magic: the gathering here?16:05
entilthere is a UX issue still, with using sliders for the mana counts, because it has a fixed upper bound16:06
locusfI made a life counter for it16:06
entillocusf: how would you like to use a mana calculator on the jolla?-)16:06
entillocusf: the score app that's in the store?16:06
locusfentil: I don't do much mtg nowadays16:06
faenil__"Note: Anchor margins only apply to anchors; they are not a generic means of applying margins to an Item. If an anchor margin is specified for an edge but the item is not anchored to any item on that edge, the margin is not applied."16:07
locusfentil: mtgcounter yes16:07
faenil__(from Qt docs)16:07
entillocusf: that's probably the app I've been using a lot :)16:07
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entilthe missus has an app on her iphone which splits the screen in two and each player can keep score themselves on it, which is actually kinda nice as well16:08
locusfentil: glad you like it, too bad I have yet to figure out how to keep the screen on16:08
entila split-screen mode would be a nice feature *wink* ;)16:08
entillocusf: I just changed my settings16:08
entilbut honestly I use a life die as well...16:08
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entillocusf: but still, if you have an opinion on what kinds of input widgets you'd like to see in a mana base calculator, plz say so :>16:09
entilI was thinking of the clock, but the widget probably supports only times and then there'd have to be tabs or somesuch for different colors because the widget's so huge16:09
entilanother option is a button next to every slider that bumps up the upper bound, but I'm not sure how to pull that off without making it all a mess16:10
locusfentil: I don't even know much about mana base calculations :)16:10
locusfbut yeah will help ya if needed16:11
entilif it's a trivial split I've figured it out .. with my brain(!).. or used the basic calculator for it, but an app makes it nicer16:11
entillocusf: well, it's a UI thing, you can see the sliders at
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entillocusf: I have limited and constructed presets here, they only set the default land count, and the maximum... and the maximums are a problem because there is no maximum in practice16:12
locusfentil: yep16:13
entillocusf: your app used Buttons apparently, maybe I'll just look into adding a +5 button next to each slider somehow, unless you have a better idea16:14
locusfentil: yeah16:16
entilbtw, this is fscking amazing to use on the phone, I'm sure some kind of sliding widget is the solution instead of typing in numbers and suffering the keyboard sliding up and all16:16
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entilthe only thing I didn't really see on the emulator is that trying to flick back in the pagestack is kinda hard.. because the focus is grabbed by a slider almost every time, so maybe the buttons would also bring some empty space to make swiping easier. unless it makes it annoyingly sparse16:17
entilanyway, gonna look into that soon16:17
locusfyou can just click on the dots in the top of the page :)16:18
entilsure, but I never do that by default ;)16:18
entilI need to take a break before looking into the buttons16:19
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coderuscan anyone please unlock this question and remove fk_lx answer: ?17:17
coderusor should i create a new one?17:18
coderusthis shouldn't be closed until implemented17:18
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coderusand it should be voted by users, because without votes it won't be implemented :D17:18
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tbrcoderus: I think you should post a new question, that actually asks for FxOS app support to be implemented.17:23
tbrThat question was IMHO correctly answered.17:23
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coderustbr: no, its not correctly answered17:29
coderusi asked brwser mainteiners :)17:29
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tbrcoderus: the question was if they investigated it. the answer was 'yes they are investigating it'.17:30
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coderusah, ok then :)17:33
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tbrI think it makes more sense to open a new question and ask what you actually want, that is support for FxOS apps actually implemented.17:34
faenilmakes sens17:35
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entilfaenil: would you mind taking a look at this?
faenilentil, sup17:40
entilfaenil: nothing's _actually_ broken but the button layout is off.. and I had to ditch Rectangle, so would you have a clue for best practices? is the height deal any ok?17:40
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entilfaenil: as you may see in the screenshot, I calculate the flickable's height manually now17:41
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entil the diff is a mess17:41
entilbut the IDE told me I can't anchor stuff inside a Column17:41
entilyeah sorry, meant to say Column, not Rectangle17:42
coderuswho want Firefox webapps to be implemented in sailfish-browser please vote here:
faenilyes you can't, because the Column is an anchoring item17:42
entiland after googling it makes sense that a Column is a convenience wrapper but more complicated stuff like the buttons next to sliders are not ... conventiable17:42
faenilentil, hey, btw, there is "contentHeight: childrenRect.height" :)17:43
entilanyway, there are some small issues with that that I hate. 1) I don't know if it's ok to calculate the height like I do 2) the buttons are not aligned to the sliders; is there a way to do that? 3) why is the margin so huge between the slider and the button? 4) how do I properly resize the button :D17:43
faenilColumn { Row {} Row{} Row{} } ?17:43
entilok, I did Item because you mentioned it before17:43
faenillol :D17:44
entildo you think it's a worthwhile effort to go back to Column and use Row inside it? would it help with things like 3) the margin between the slider and the button?17:44
faenilwe were talking about the label :D17:44
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entilto me containing a couple of widgets like the slider and button is less of a hack than containing a single label :D17:45
faenilthe code is much cleaner if you use Columns and Rows17:45
faenilas you don't need all the anchors and it handles the layout automatically using "spacing"17:45
faenil(btw, there's nothing wrong using Items to do what you did, it's just cleaner with Rows and Columns as they're done for that purpose)17:47
entilI was just happy to pull even that off :>17:47
entilexcept for the fact that I can't seem to align the buttons, or make the margin between a slider and a button smaller17:47
entiland I think most of the widths are hacks I pulled out of thin air because they kinda happen to look ok, not because I'd know that's how to do it...17:48
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entilis it like ok to say Button { width: Theme.fontSizeSmall * 2 } because it seems like the button font is small and * 2 makes it ok for two characters? because it's not a fixed width font and fonts aren't necessarily the same units as the width... I'd say no17:49
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faenilentil, you want the button to be as wide as its label?17:51
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entilie. as small as possible17:51
faenilI'd recommend having a fixed side for the buttons17:52
faenildifferent width for every button would look weird17:52
entilin the current version they are all the same though17:52
faenilyeah, but they won't be if you change the labels17:52
entilI just pulled the value for it out of nowhere and I think it works by accident17:52
faenilanyway, you're not supposed to be allowed to do that, by looking at button api17:53
faenilbut let's see if we can access the label width17:53
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faenilyou can try width: button.labelText.paintedWidth17:55
faenilbut not really sure that will work17:55
faenil(probably won't)17:55
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entilwell.. bad news... I went back to Container and put in all the Row blocks, and I can't see the button at all (I added only the first one thus far)17:56
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faenilread the docs about columns and rows ;)17:56
entilI have to I'm sure17:57
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entilmeh, this looks like it should actually work already17:58
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entiloh, it's a question of having too much width in the slider, apparently18:00
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entilfaenil: oh yeah, I'm pretty sure this'll never work btw, because the button and slider have completely different heights and all that18:03
faenilwho cares18:04
faenilentil, you can set the height of the rows18:05
faeniland use anchors.verticalCenter: parent.verticalCenter on the sliders and buttons18:06
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faenilQML is...awesome :D18:06
faenil(but you should still read the docs :P )18:06
entilunfortunately anchors.verticalCenter does not align them so they look good, which is why I did Button { anchors.topMargin: slider.height / 5 } because it matches pretty close18:08
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faenilI see, well, if they have different paddings at the bottom, you have to play with it :D18:09
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faenil( still, use columns and anchors :D )18:11
faeniland Rows*, I meant18:11
faenilstrange that they don't align though18:14
faenilmaybe the font has different size? dunno18:14
entilit's not a huge amount of pixels18:15
entilnot sure how much people actually care but it looks off :/18:15
faenilyea I understand18:15
faenilnot sure what causes that different18:15
faenilshould have a look at the sources18:16
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kimmolicoderus: just ignore me and my stupid tweets :p18:24
coderuskimmoli: :D18:25
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kimmoliah, need to port this next; somekind of split between stm32 and jolla/Linux18:28
faenil_cool :)18:29
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djukencan we download the sailfish launcher now?19:32
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entilyay, my app passed my usability testing and I even got an icon drawn to not break any copyrights19:55
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entilnext up, but not today, I have to make it conform to
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arnav-ghey sledges19:57
locusfentil: nice job :)19:57
sledgesarnav-g: ahoj :)19:58
arnav-gI am nolinuxnoparty from github19:58
sledgesgood you carved out my reply :)19:58
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sledgesgood github nickname arnav-g ;)20:00
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arnav-ghey again sledges20:28
sledgesheyo :)20:28
arnav-gI asked a question ._.20:28
sledgesyou got timed pingout :)20:28
sledgescheck online logs, no question if urs20:29
arnav-gWhere are the logs situated? :)20:29
arnav-galso asking again how can I bringup a cm11 device to mer?20:29
jake9xxarnav-g: can u access fastboot on that?20:30
arnav-gSpecifically its an Xperia M Packed with Adreno 305 and MSM822720:31
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jake9xxok, first you need the kernel adaptation to be done for that... but as these questions tend to popup here and there I think Stskeeps vgrade and tbr could write a 101 on the requirements or something20:33
entillocusf: thx :)20:34
jake9xxbtw, regarding UR4/UE4 - it's not OSS. Actually it's not even close. If you buy source license and tweak it in your game project you cannot release it w/o agreement from Epic20:34
tbrarnav-g: long story short, best wait for HADK, but if you can't wait, look at the hardware adaptation for Nexus 520:35
* tortoisedoc happy20:35
tortoisedocfirst release on OpenRepos! :)20:36
entiljake9xx: oh yeah, looked into that, and definitely not the ease one would wish for20:36
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kimmolitortoisedoc: no grrrr ?? !! :)20:37
Yanieltortoisedoc: kinda makes the "lock" screen obsolete but hey it's a tweakable system20:37
tortoisedockimmoli : not this time :P20:37
tortoisedocyaniel : yes that is a good discussion point20:38
tortoisedocunfortunately, jPhone does not have a status bar like n9 ;/20:38
tortoisedocso for now lock screen will do20:38
tortoisedocit is more of a proof of concept20:38
tortoisedocperhaps it helps in opening up other ways to integrate apps more seamlessly20:38
arnav-gtbr: HADK? and yeah I adapted all patches from Nexus 5 but still can't get it building ._.20:38
tortoisedocpersonally I loved the way the n9 allowed for that20:38
tortoisedocdo you jolla guys think it would be ok to make a post on tjc about quickbar?20:39
jake9xxtortoisedoc: why do you even ask?20:39
jake9xxgo for it20:39
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tbrarnav-g: hardware adaptation kit20:40
Yanielit's on open-"install at your own risk"-repos20:40
arnav-gI got all needed kernel patches hybris-boot repo patches and rpm patches from siteshwar's git but I don't see any manifest for hybris-11.0 so I just edited the manifest myself ._.20:41
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kimmolitortoisedoc: it is better to also give uninstall instructions, and if you need something special tweaks to fix anything broken... there was some issues with locusf glacier iirc (?)20:44
arnav-gtbr/sledges: what is the use of this?
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sledgesarnav-g: final image building20:45
arnav-gdidn't get ya (sorry, me noob :3)20:46
arnav-gin short what I am trying to ask is where will you place that file?20:46
tbrarnav-g: it's a "recipe" file. it is used by mic to build the image/filesystem20:46
arnav-gtbr: gotcha20:47
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jake9xxarnav-g: at least some time ago there were some mic execution examples in merproject.org20:48
tortoisedockimmoli : good point20:48
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tortoisedockimmoli : you uninstallng it already? :P20:50
tortoisedockimmoli : locusf glacier issues I am not aware of20:50
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kimmolitortoisedoc: not yet installed... busy coding20:52
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locusftortoisedoc: yeah there were some issues on a lot of things with glacier homescreem20:56
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tortoisedoclocusf : in what is glacier different from nemo?20:58
locusftortoisedoc: in no way it is different20:58
tortoisedoclocusf : I mean technically20:59
locusfI probably misunderstood your question :p20:59
locusfnemo uses glacier homescreen but it can be used on Jolla as well21:00
tortoisedoclocusf : ok, I must admit I have not looked into it21:00
tortoisedocI assume it is still wayland-based?21:00
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tortoisedocill have to find a way to get it on my jolla :P21:01
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locusfI don't recommend warehouse21:02
tortoisedocit will have a status bar ^^21:03
locusfyes :)21:03
tortoisedoccool, then it's like a perfect fit21:03
locusfits all FOSS too so everyone is welcome to contribute as well :)21:04
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MoritzJTyou don't recommend Warehouse at all or am I taking this out of context?21:05
tortoisedoclocusf : are there plans by jolla to adopt it?21:05
locusfjust for this app :)21:05
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locusftortoisedoc: no plans that I'm aware of21:06
tortoisedoclocusf: thanks21:06
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tortoisedocmade an entry on tjc21:09
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tortoisedoclets see how it goes :P21:09
tortoisedocnow need to push this to harbour :P21:09
MoritzJTI heard Jolla is about to change the UX next year quite substantially21:09
MoritzJTSideswipes for switching maybe?21:09
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* MSameer does not like ads21:10
tortoisedocMSameer : me neither, but support has to come from somewhere :/21:11
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tortoisedocive tried to keep it to a minimum tho21:11
MSameertortoisedoc: that's up to you since you did the code ;)21:11
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MSameerand since harbour does not support payments then I can't blame you much21:12
tortoisedocyeh, but soon it will :)21:12
tortoisedoc(at least afaik)21:12
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arnav-gsledges: there?21:12
MSameertortoisedoc: I hope you consider a release without ads which can be purchased21:12
MSameerwhen harbour allows of course21:13
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tortoisedocMSameer that would be the plan yes21:13
MSameergiven a free app with ads and a non-free app without ads21:14
MSameerI'd not use both :P21:14
MSameerI'd prefer the non-ads one21:14
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tortoisedocwell, personally I almost vote for free with non-invasive, non-blocking ads21:14
tortoisedocbut that's only one opinoin21:15
tortoisedocdamn too much beer :P21:15
MSameerI am concerned about my privacy which ads might exploit21:15
tortoisedochmm good point21:15
tortoisedocQuickbar is not exploiting anything21:15
MSameermaybe ads and in app-payment to get rid of ads21:15
MSameerit's the ads not the app21:16
tortoisedocbut since this is my first app with ads, i will investigate to make sure :P21:16
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MSameermaybe I should have ads showing on top of my camera app viewfinder :D21:17
CvP_coderus: do you need some help about  logos?21:17
* MSameer is tired after fighting with sailfish for a while :/21:18
* arnav-g asks people to look into the error21:18
MSameerarnav-g: what's that?21:19
tortoisedocMSameer : indeed Sailfish gives one a good fight21:20
tortoisedocit's very good, but very edgy still21:20
coderusCvP_: logos?21:20
tortoisedoc(in my opinion)21:20
MSameerarnav-g: OK I know you are building android and probably you are trying to build android adaptation for a certain device but more details are needed21:21
CvP_coderus: icons (icq, yahoo.....)21:21
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MSameertortoisedoc: I agree. It's still young21:21
tortoisedocits a pity openrepos does not give download stats :/21:23
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tortoisedocah just noticed the stats panel now :P21:25
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jake9xxMSameer: hey :)21:27
MSameerjake9xx: HEY :)21:27
MSameerjake9xx: it's juhannus!. what are you doing here21:28
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jake9xxMSameer: the bigger question is what are YOU doing here :) I'm having a sober juhannus (was a bit too wasted in CPH last week)21:29
jake9xxand hacking on my pet/own company projects actually now21:30
arnav-gWhat command to build just hybris and not the full android build? MSameer jake9xx?21:30
MSameerjake9xx: you have your own company?21:30
MSameerjake9xx: what else should I do if I am not here :/21:31
MSameerarnav-g: make hybris-hal21:31
MSameerarnav-g: but you need to build in a 64bit distro (preferably ubuntu)21:31
arnav-gThats understood lol I maintain my android rom so that is what I do the whole day just new to sailfish21:32
jake9xxMSameer: yeah, have had it for some 3-4 years already. convient way to burn yourself out among other features21:32
MSameerarnav-g: I didn't know21:32
arnav-gMSameer: :)21:32
MSameerjake9xx: and how can you have it yet work for other companies?21:32
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MSameerarnav-g: I never used an android device so it's impossible for me to know :)21:33
jake9xxMSameer: normal. agree that when you sign up21:33
arnav-gMSameer: What device?21:33
MSameerjake9xx: so you need to resign, start a company and then rejoin after the agreement :D21:34
tortoisedocjake9xx didnt you stop working @jolla?21:34
jake9xxMSameer: if company you're going to work declines on that, then it was the wrong company after all. thing is that you don't do competetive stuff or use proprietary stuff w/o license21:34
MSameerarnav-g: I meant to say that I never used an android device so I don't know the people maintaining ROMs and stuff21:34
MSameerjake9xx: true21:34
arnav-gMSameer: and I asked you what device did you use? :)21:34
jake9xxtortoisedoc: yup, I took up a challenge at a compnay called Applifier21:34
MSameerarnav-g: aha sorry. misunderstood.21:35
tortoisedocjake9xx : applifier - sounds familiar...21:35
jake9xxtortoisedoc: we do everyplay among other stuff21:35
MSameerarnav-g: old nokia then symbian crap then N900 then N921:35
tortoisedocdo you offer qt sdk? :OP21:36
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MSameerjake9xx: but I also heard that if you have a company then you get no benefits and it takes a few years to terminate your company21:36
MSameertortoisedoc: it's javascript which you can most likely integrate with QML21:36
MSameerjake9xx: anyway good luck :)21:37
* MSameer is the only one apparently who has no personal business21:37
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tortoisedocMSameer : me neither21:38
tortoisedocjust hobbie projects :P21:38
tortoisedoc(and main work)21:38
MSameersame here21:38
tortoisedocbut anyway too much to burn out already haha21:38
MSameerno wonder none of my hobby projects could be considered successful :p21:39
tortoisedocMSameer : how so?21:39
MSameerno idea :)21:39
tortoisedoctime to go to sleep for me21:39
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MSameercause I develop for linux (n9 and jolla) and they have a small market share21:40
jake9xxMSameer: what? benefits umm.. no, you can be a shareowner in a company w/o having a work relation on it (i.e. get paid)21:42
MSameerjake9xx: kela/unemployment benefits21:42
jake9xxMSameer: well, no, you can own a company and still get those benefits21:46
jake9xxif you EARN money from that company then it's different21:46
MSameeryou mean a company that gives zero income?21:46
MSameergood to hear21:46
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jake9xxyeah, it sounds a bit weird but it's not the whole story...21:57
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arnav-gHow to run image creation? :)21:57
jake9xxok, but managed to get adb bridge working almost fully in jolla - off to bed21:58
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peppelakappaare there plans for a multiple volume slider? like android does for multimedia/phone/alarm23:11
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sledgespeppelakappa: try searching/asking on together.jolla.com23:20
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peppelakappagood, this is a common request! hoping to see it implemented soon23:23
sledgesmore votes - more soon(TM) :D23:24
sledgesand we kept promise quite well i'd say :)23:24
peppelakappaabsolutely, I love the way Jolla handles all the requests made on together23:25
sledgesthough sometimes geeks outvote mere users ;)23:26
peppelakappasometimes more geeks means more UI/UX polish23:28
sledgeshow about intuitiveness?23:29
peppelakappathat should be included into the UX section i think23:29
sledgesthis could be a good independent review:
sledgesthere's no end for perfection, but we'll achieve excellence :)23:30
peppelakappayeah, I hope so23:31
sledgesgood night for real now :)23:31
peppelakappagood night sledges ;)23:31

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