Sunday, 2014-06-22

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coderusnetchip: you need to install qt5-qtdeclarative-import-location and qt5-qtdeclarative-import-positioning packages03:40
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Sailor8568I'm netchip btw06:51
Sailor8568however, how do I use mitakuuluu?06:51
Sailor8568it syncs and all06:52
Sailor8568but I can't start a chat...06:52
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raa700Sailor8568: swipe to left, find contact, ???, profit07:05
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Sailor8568raa700: doesnt work :(07:09
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Sailor8568raa700: which version do you use?07:11
Sailor8568mitakuuluu2 from openrepo?07:11
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tortoisedochey sailors, do you know if jolla will rely on qt in-app purchases?07:35
faenilthat's not a stable API, can't go into store (lol)07:35
tortoisedocfaenil : also it's qt 5.3 so not yet in store :P07:36
faenilyeah, and since qt5.2 is coming not sooner than september07:36
faenilI'd say 5.3 will be ready in dec, if there are no big troubles07:37
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tortoisedoc_what kind of alternatives are there to ads?07:40
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MSameertortoisedoc_: the only practical alternative is ads itself09:29
MSameerunless you want to setup your own mini store09:29
MSameerif I get a guarantee that my app will be accepted in harbour, I could start a mini-store with payed apps09:30
MSameerand offer the service for people but I doubt such an app would get accepted09:30
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tortoisedoc_msameer :thanks09:32
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entilMSameer: hey hi, did you work for maemo by any chance?09:39
MSameerentil: yup09:40
MSameerentil: primarily on N800,N810 (minor work) and primarily on N909:40
entilcool, I'm playing "spot old acquaintances" here :D09:40
* entil markus, integration, with misha, sasha, marc et al09:41
MSameerentil: you can spot plenty here :)09:41
entilfor sure09:41
entilhow's life?09:41
MSameerentil: Yup I remember you (or I think I can relate the name to a person)09:41
MSameerdidn't you have a light brown jacket ? :D09:41
entilI have had one, but I can't remember what I wore like 5-7-whatever years ago :D09:42
MSameerhehe :)09:42
entilI had long hair back then, though09:43
MSameerhow's it going these days?09:43
MSameerentil: if you are on OFTC net then you will find a lot of us09:43
entilthe long and the short of it... joined a startup effort after maemo, unfortunately a force majeure killed that :/ worked privately (toiminimi style) for a while, facebook apps, until joining a new company as a co-founder09:44
entilI quit that company about a week ago09:44
entilno, I did it on purpose :D09:44
entilit was four years of startup, and I'm sure my stocks are worth more if they don't have to pay me09:45
MSameera lot of adventures and hard times09:45
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entilbecause despite the company growing, we had to hire more people and such, so it wasn't a rich life for the founders :/ also the products are pretty much all done so there's not a whole lot to do, so it just felt like a good move to move somewhere else09:46
MSameerentil: we are in the same building so pretty hard to forget09:46
MSameerentil: what's the company doing?09:46
entilMSameer: same building? jolla? nokia building? you lost me09:47
entilMSameer: job markets09:47
entilheadhunting, recruitment, stuff like that - not an IT company09:47
MSameerentil: jolla is in the same Nokia building (itamerenkatu 11-13)09:47
entilthought it'd be interesting to do IT for a non-IT company but there's a lot of trouble working like that as well09:47
MSameerand it becomes complicated09:48
entilMSameer: cool, it looks like I'll be rejoining the general ruoholahti district in about a month, but unfortunately not jolla ;P09:48
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entilI like the phrase "technological idiots" ;)09:48
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entilfor a type of smart yet clueless people09:48
MSameerentil: +1 :D09:48
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entilso let's see about harbour conformity09:52
MSameerwhat's with harbour ? ;)09:54
MSameerI have an app that ships 49 libraries yet still does not conform :P09:54
entilI got inspired to code yesterday, unfortunately I didn't realize from the beginning that I might want to publish it somewhere and that if I do it has to conform to
entilshouldn't be a big deal to fix09:55
MSameerentil: I usually write my app and worry about conformance later09:55
entilas did I now :D09:55
entilbut it'd probably not be a bad habit to start naming apps harbour-* in the future..09:55
wickwireit's a shame that the harbour dashboard is still displaying dummy data09:56
MSameeractually I have not written anything from scratch yet. I am just porting my n9 stuff09:56
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entilI wrote but it doesn't conform to anything either09:56
wickwireI publish an app about 4 months ago09:56
MSameerentil: that I solve in the packaging (renaming)09:56
locusfentil: there is a rpm validator in the SDK09:56
entilbut there I knew I'd (probably) never want it anywhere near the store09:56
wickwireand I still can't see user comments or reply, from the dashboard09:56
wickwireis there something the community can do to help with this?09:57
kimmolihmm, i think the sdk could have wizard to put all "harbour-" stuff in correct places...09:57
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wickwireI'd be willing to help fix it...09:57
entillocusf: whoah09:57
MSameerentil: at least for my camera app, I decided it's not worth the trouble for now so I am keeping it out of harbour09:57
MSameerwickwire: ping iekku09:57
entil this is an external app anyway09:57
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wickwireMSameer: thanks I will09:58
locusfentil: the same app is installed in the mer sdk09:58
locusfentil: its in Harbour Tools of the SailfishOS tab in Qt Creator09:58
kimmoliI use it through browser; localhost:8080 while sdk vm is running09:59
kimmolimuch responisive, and remembers path...09:59
entillocusf: yeah, gievs some valuable feedback for the arm rpm10:00
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MSameerentil: locusf I cloned it locally here and use it. partially because I don't use the sdk but also because the tool updates are more frequent than the sdk updates10:03
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entilah ok10:04
entilI really like the sdk, it's just too bad I don't get to use it that much... because I even opened some issues with it, like the fakevim mode not knowing :relnum10:05
MSameerthe SDK is not bad10:05
MSameerI just don't use it10:05
MSameerqtcreator is a piece of utter crap compared to emacs IMHO10:05
entilI really don't want to go into that, but I just appreciate how the sdk makes some things easy10:06
MSameerbuild vm -> obs10:06
MSameerwhat remains?10:06
tortoisedocis there an equivalent to settings-ui (meego) in sailfishos10:06
entilI'm sure there are pre-made apps for things like deploying on the phone but the sdk ide makes it easy enough and the editor is close enough to what I'd use anyway10:07
MSameerentil: I am a command line guy who used scratchbox for years so the SDK can be there as it wants for others to ease their pain10:07
MSameertortoisedoc: jolla-settings but you can't have plugins for it and publish in harbour10:07
entilironically doing the dashboardy work at maemo means I never touched scratchbox, though one might think I would've10:07
locusfcurrently I'm just using the sdk to start mer vm and edit, everything else with ssh and mb2 deploy10:08
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MSameerguys, I am not saying the SDK is bad. I am saying the SDK does not suit me so I am not using it10:09
tortoisedocMSameer : you opened pandora's box :P10:09
* MSameer hides away from kaltsi 10:09
* MSameer likes panadora boxes :)10:10
MSameerOK, every time I mention Pandora I have to try hard to forget that Pandora in the Arabic lebanese dialect is tomatoes :)10:10
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jpnurmiis the system settings integration yet allowed for apps in harbour?11:06
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iekkuwickwire, i hope we have dashboard working finally soon(ish)11:37
iekkuwickwire, there has been several community members offering help, but i haven't been able to get that help through.11:37
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wickwireikekku: thanks for the feedback, it's a pitty though12:24
wickwireI did enjoy developing for Jolla, a native app12:25
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R-Zsailfish os seems like a nice platform to play with12:31
entildespite having (had) trouble with qml, it's very nice indeed12:35
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faenilentil, read the docs?12:36
* faenil runs :D12:36
entilfaenil: :D12:36
entilsubmitted my app for the store btw12:36
faenilgood :)12:36
specialdoes work for anyone12:37
entilgot the next idea as well, but dunno if/when I'll pull it off... it would be a REST/json client mainly, but I don't have personal use just yet12:37
faenilspecial, works here12:37
faenilspecial, since you're here, can I bother you a few minutes?12:38
specialI reserve the right to not do anything work related on sundays12:38
specialbut you can try12:38
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faenilI'm a bit tired of having 3-4 numbers/names in a conversation when it's actually the same person (I think even same number, some times!), is there anything I can do to fix that?12:39
specialwhat do you mean?12:40
faenilI've been hoping it would get fixed, but it's been months now and still working the same way12:40
faenillet's see if I can explain myself12:40
faenilBob has number 12312:41
faenilI also have Bob on SIM as Bobby12:41
faenilmessages app shows12:41
faenilBob, Bobby, 123, 12312:41
faeniland similar, in the recipients12:41
faeniland it does that for almost every conversation I have12:41
faenilit's...annoying :/12:41
specialso "Bob" and "Bobby" are separate contacts with the same phone number12:42
faenillet me take the phone so I don't say bs ;)12:42
specialit's a known bug12:42
entilthat's probably a happy problem... the n900 didn't show who's calling if she was stored twice iirc12:42
entilhaving the name show twice is far superior ;)12:43
specialI've been working on a refactoring branch for awhile that will, among other things, solve that problem12:43
faenilspecial, I see...12:43
specialhopefully done soon12:43
entilthe commhistory/contact code is pretty interesting ;)12:43
faenilso, September, hopefully12:43
special"interesting" is one word12:43
specialthe refactoring branch is gathering all of the UID/phone number comparison/contact resolution into its own class and using that everywhere12:44
specialso it can be implemented consistently, can handle lists of UIDs correctly, and so on12:45
faenilspecial, oh oh...I just tapped on "Link" on my gf contact12:45
faeniland it shows 7 google, 2 telepathy, 1 fb12:45
faenilsomething is very wrong there12:45
specialor you have 7 google contacts for her12:45
specialthat would not surprise me much12:46
faenilno way12:46
specialcontacts-tool inside 'devel-su -p' can help you see what exactly is stored12:46
specialn-q-p-contacts-tools iirc12:46
faenilwell, it could be that jolla duplicated my contacts many times12:46
faenilmost likely a bug of the 2 sync12:46
faeniloh for god's sake, yes a lot of my contacts have been duplicated on google now :( 5-6-7 times12:47
specialyou've only run public release versions of update7, right/12:47
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faeniladditional info: all the duplicated people are those I had chats with on Android whatsapp12:48
specialchriadam|away: ^ that is interesting12:48
faenilmmm not only it seems12:49
faenilbut most of them12:49
specialchris might have questions for you on contacts sync12:50
specialor you might just make him cry on a monday morning12:50
faenilbut there is one contact which I added on update5, and only had WA chats with her, and it's shown 6 times on google web UI12:50
faenilsome of the duplicated contacts don't even have numbers12:51
faenilit's just a name12:51
faenilso definitely not always something *I* added12:51
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specialyou can switch the google sync to one-way12:52
faenilspecial, my google account is also full of contacts with numbers only now, as well12:53
specialunderstanding contacts bugs is not something I'm willing to do on a sunday12:54
faenilit seems it took all contacts from the sim and sent them to google, without their name12:54
faenilno problem ;)12:54
faeniljust leaving info here for tomorrow12:54
faenilthat's probably why names disappeared from some of my whatsapp contacts after updating to update712:54
specialyes, if you have contacts with numbers but no names, they might be matched and would result in the number being displayed12:55
specialwhich explains why they'd show up in commhistory12:55
specialyour journal is probably full of commhistory complaining about duplicate contact matches12:55
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faenilspecial, grepping on commhistory shows nothing related to duplicated12:58
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fluxI wonder, is the work-in-progress qt5 bluez4 ble source code available? I would like to try it :)14:12
fluxI just got my HM-10 bluetooth module working14:13
fluxnow that you mention is javispedro did mention it14:13
fluxit looks like the current approach is to take the bluetooth specs and use them on top of HCI14:15
fluxalternatively one can choose to refactor the GPL-licensed gatttool14:15
flux"Qt5.3 Bluetooth API seems to be walking the same path, except that they call a separate program (gatttool) for GATT instead of reimplementing the protocol in the library." - seriously?-o14:16
fluxI actually have some code built on gatttool as well but that's soo hacky.14:17
fluxwhaddayaknow, I found this: linked from here
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m4g0ghow to get delegate item height from Repeater?14:29
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fluxnice, libgato and its test-mw test app actually establishes a connection and retrieves the characteristics14:55
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kimmolim4g0g: pikkukalat is a repeater... this sets rotation but maybe you get the height in same way ??14:55
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fluxcool, messages go back and forth. thanks javispedro!15:16
fluxtoo bad there is no jollabot to pass such messages 8-)15:16
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fluxalso too bad the test app has no license, I apparently cannot redistribute it then anymore ;)15:24
tortoisedocwow! nice match on tv (Belgium vs russia) :)15:24
tortoisedocjolla guys, any ETA on jolla-settings being accepted in harbour?15:27
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Beankyllathats all i have to say for nwo15:40
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Nicd-Beankylla: stop disconnecting :P16:01
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fluxhow was it again how I installed software to the sailfishsdk? 'bluez' in particular. yum lists no repos available.16:15
fluxah, forgot that it was zypper the sdk used :)16:16
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fluxhow do I install stuff to /home/deploy? manually extract rpm and copy?16:30
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fluxwell, other than just make install it directly there, I suppose that works but isn't quite as neat as I'd hope16:31
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fluxso now I have libgato-devel in both the build environment and /home/deploy/installroot, yet the build process says "No provider of 'libgato-devel' found" - what does this exactly mean?16:39
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fluxI wonder if the problem is because the libgato-devel doesn't come from any repository.16:43
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fluxwell, atleast putting the files to /srv/mer/targets/SailfishOS-armv7hl didn't change anything16:47
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kaltsiflux: are you using the sdk with qt creator?16:49
kaltsiare you trying to install some devel package that is in the default sdk repositories?16:49
fluxno, it's not in the default sdk repositories16:49
kaltsiah not..16:49
kaltsiwhere is it?16:49
kaltsiis it a repo or just some packages?16:50
fluxthe source you mean?
kaltsino the rpm packages?16:50
fluxin the build environment16:51
kaltsiso you've built that and want to install it to the build environment for other projects to use?16:51
kaltsido you know how to login to the MerSDK with ssh?16:51
fluxyes, I'm logged in16:51
kaltsiok.. then install the devel and the normal package like this: sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R zypper in packagename packagename-devel16:52
fluxthe last arguments are without .rpm and without version?16:53
kaltsino, the local rpm files from your RPMS directory16:53
fluxhey, thanks, now it works!16:53
kaltsithat should be enough.. if you want the headers available in Qt Creator, go to the 'Sailfish' icon and 'manage' the armv7hl target and press 'sync'16:54
kaltsihaving them available in Qt Creator means that it may be able to autocomplete function names from the headers or something like that16:55
locusfwhat about qml libraries like qt5-libofono?16:56
locusfwill I get autocomplete on that as well16:56
kaltsiI don't know .. the qml autocomplete is a bit mystery to me, but depends on how well the package has been made and does it include the necessary file.. what was its name again..16:57
fluxhm, someone ate all my targets when I clicked sync, time to restart :)16:57
kaltsiflux: you may need to reconfigure your project.. click on the project tab in qt creator16:57
kaltsiand select the target again16:58
kaltsilocusf: there should be a file called 'plugins.qmltypes' with the qml library to have autocompletion in qt creator16:59
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locusfkaltsi: ok16:59
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kaltsiif it's not there, you may be able to create it yourself17:01
kaltsiif you do that then it should be done in the correct sb2 target and then it needs to be synced again17:01
fluxcool, now I can enter characters in jolla (well, over ssh) to an BLE terminal application and receive them back from the serial program attached to HM-10 bluetooth le module :) (and vice versa)17:02
fluxI suppose I have all I need to make the actual application.17:02
fluxit even noticed the powerdown in just a couple seconds17:04
fluxand it even reconnected when power came back, almost imediately17:06
fluxI'm positively surprised nothing has crashed so far :-)17:06
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fluxit's amazing how the BLE module takes only 3.30V/0.008A, so 0.026 mW17:07
kimmoliflux:  +1 sounds interesting ...17:08
kimmolii have only managed to lit a led over fuse17:09
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tbrflux: hmmm, what chipset is in that hm-10? I have a redbear mini ble thing that I should probably try soon with the jolla17:10
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fluxit has the Ti chip everybody uses..17:13
kimmoliCC2540/CC2541 ?17:14
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fluxcosts $9.5017:16
fluxactually ordered a couple more as I had thought I had killed this one, but no, it worked fine17:16
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* kimmoli blames flux... ordered few...17:19
fluxoh, I should have mentioned the firmware/documentation is a mystery :-)17:20
fluxapparently I have such an old version that the documentation no longer matches17:20
fluxbut it's possible to upgrade the firmware17:20
fluxat least the version I have supports only UART replacement characteristic, so basically bytes in/out17:20
fluxthe more recent ones have some iBeacon functionality17:20
fluxso far the only feedback from the device I have been able to get is 'OK'.. no other query has worked :)17:21
fluxbut, it's pretty nice how easily this rx/tx-scenario works. probably the MCU code wil require zero logic to make use of that if it already has serial code.17:22
tbrooh, 9.5usd sounds nice17:22
kimmolii took first what i found, $19.29 for 3pcs17:23
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kimmoliah CC2540 would have usb interface too..17:26
tbrthat's probably what's in the redbear17:26
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carepackhi. I miss an option to mark all emails as read. Isn't a feature like this available?17:39
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bibichekoHello. What now with new version of Sailfish OS for Nexus 4? Where is instructions?18:01
tbrwait and see18:03
Stskeepscomes tomorrow :)18:04
Yanieloh ffs18:04
Yanielmy sd card seems to become half unreadable every now and then18:04
Yaniel`ls` just says I/O error18:05
Yanieland media player fails to open some files (but curiously others work)18:05
Yanielrebooting helps though18:05
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bibichekoTommorow? Monday is now (1:22 23.06.14)18:07
MSameerIO error?18:08
MSameernot good18:08
StskeepsYaniel: dmesg18:08
Stskeepsbibicheko: in my timezone, it's not.. :P18:08
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Yanieloh right and I suppose the stacktrace I found in the boot logs is interesting to you too18:09
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tortoisedocffs this emulator can make one loose it's nerves :P18:19
Yanielsorry, a bit slow atm, trying to do 3-5 things at the same time18:23
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YanielStskeeps: does "parent transid verify failed on 65871872 wanted 22778 found 19788" ring any bells?18:31
Stskeepsbtrfs error?18:31
Yanielalso can I install a better pager from somewhere -.-18:31
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Yanieltons of "Jun 22 15:59:52 Jolla kernel: mdp4_mixer_blend_setup: Error: no bg_pipe at mixer=0" earlier today (possibly related to mediaplayer suddenly stopping)18:36
MSameerYaniel: less is available18:36
Yanieland "Jun 22 16:35:46 Jolla kernel: hdmi_msm hdmi_msm.1: hdmi_msm_hpd_on: Failed to enable 5V regulator. Error=-19"18:36
MSameermdp4 is related to display IIRC18:36
bibicheko  Stskeeps: Your timezone it's....18:37
YanielMSameer: ahh :318:37
MSameerYaniel: not sure if less needs mer-tools to be enabled or not18:38
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bibichekoFinland timezone it's GMT +2?18:38
MSameeris it +3? no idea18:38
tbrbibicheko: stop whining, check again in 8h18:38
Yaniellooks like it does18:39
YanielI have it enabled anyway18:39
Nicd-finnish time is +3 currently, MSameer18:39
bibicheko8:00 on what zone?18:39
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Nicd-bibicheko: it will be released when it's ready18:39
MSameerNicd-: I just live the moment and leave these things to my laptop and phones but thanks :D18:39
Nicd-wish we'd get rid of DST18:40
bibichekoOkay. I'm go to sleep. Good luck18:40
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MSameer22 21:56:57 Jolla kernel: SurfaceFlinger: unhandled page fault (11) at 0x00000000, code 0x00518:40
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MSameerthat sounds like aliendalvik18:40
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entildo you guys have a clue btw about how much better c++ code performs in sailfish/silica than javascript?18:42
entillike where should one draw the line between c++ and javascript?18:42
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Nicd-well C++ is native so it's crazy fast compared to JS, I would guess18:43
MSameerentil: depends18:43
entilsure, but if there's an ajax client involved and the risk for other latency high18:44
giucamimho it's better to not do js at all, except the bare necessary minimum18:44
MSameerif you are doing heavy lifting then I'd move it to C++18:44
giucamalso for maintenability of qml files18:44
Nicd-I wouldn't say that, giucam18:44
entilone would assume the visible margin between the two could be pretty small18:44
Nicd-I'd just abstract the JS into its own files and libraries, but using it is completely fine18:44
MSameerentil: ajax + xml -> use xml declarative models18:44
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entilMSameer: yeah, the sms importer was obvious c++ and the mana calculator obvious javascript but something that talks to the internet etc is harder to decide18:44
Nicd-entil: if you're just doing ajax calls, I'd go for JS18:45
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entilthey could be reimplemented, I guess18:45
giucamNicd-: i suppose my opinion comes from the fact that i much prefer c++ to js as a language :)18:45
MSameerentil: honestly, I'd make the talking to network js since it's easier and the rest in C++18:45
MSameerentil: modern CPUs are powerful18:45
entilI'm thinking of a discogs client, if I didn't mention that before, so it's all about listing cds and cd collections and stuff like that18:46
Yaniel"parent transid verify failed on 65871872 wanted 22778 found 19788" shows up a lot18:46
MSameerentil: do you get xml you need to parse?18:46
entilso there probably wouldn't be that many qml files even, and that's also why I'm undecided, because long lists and doing object-oriented access on the api endpoint might be as cool in c++ as in javascript, if not cooler18:46
entilMSameer: it's json18:46
Yanielas does Jolla -fullscreen[20121]: [W] QGstreamerPlayerSession::processBusMessage:1178 - Error: "Could not read from resource."18:47
entilthe libraries exist, fortunately18:47
Yanieland Jolla -fullscreen[20121]: [W] QGstreamerPlayerSession::processBusMessage:1076 - Error: "No URI set"18:47
Nicd-if you're getting json, use JS18:47
Nicd-optimize only if you run into performance problems18:47
MSameerentil: I'd then use js to fetch and C++ for the rest. someone created a jsonlistmodel equivalent to xmllistmodel ;)18:47
entilyeah, js might be easier to implement, I'd hate to be stuck on something trivial, and it can be reimplemented later18:47
Nicd-and trust me, you won't run into performance issues18:47
Nicd-not with just ajax18:47
entilyeah, it's not calc-intense in any way, and maybe all the disc info is ok with json...18:48
entillet's see about when I might get started on that.. don't have a real need just yet, still going through my collection on musicbrainz18:48
MSameerentil: might need porting to Qt5/QtQuick 2.0 but that's trivial18:49
entilI have to think about it18:50
MSameermost of my issues are usually related to startup performance but app performance in general is fine18:50
MSameerexcept one app when I enabled the frame rate display on my jolla and the screen turned red :D18:51
entilbut I think I'll play something, thanks for the food for thought :)18:52
tortoisedocdbus-monitor should track method calls as well correct?18:55
tortoisedoc(assuming it's monitoring the correct bus)18:55
specialit shows all traffic over that bus, yes18:55
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tortoisedocspecial : thanks18:57
tortoisedocwoot korea algeria 1 -3 :D18:57
tortoisedocone  more question18:58
tortoisedocis mapplauncherd used in sailfishos?18:58
tortoisedocor only in nemo?18:58
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specialtortoisedoc: it's used extensively in sailfish19:00
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tortoisedocjust noticed now sailfishos has 10 permission bits for files :P19:04
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tortoisedocfor example19:07
tortoisedoc(from ls -l -a)19:07
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MSameerd = directory19:08
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MSameerrwx = owner read/write/execute19:09
MSameersame for group19:09
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MSameerothers -> read and execute19:09
MSameeractually execute here is "cd" because it's a directory19:09
MSameerls = reat19:09
MSameertouch = write19:09
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tortoisedocs.k. 2 - algeria 4 :D19:16
tortoisedocMSameer: I also noticed a "s" (priviledged?)19:17
MSameertortoisedoc: setgid19:17
MSameerI think it's setgid privileged19:18
tortoisedocI should definitely go to sleep -_-19:18
tortoisedoctoo much juhannus for me this year :P19:18
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tortoisedocspecial : it appears dbus method call for services registered @ runtime (i.e. without service file) are not visible on dbus-monitor19:21
tortoisedocor is it just my tired mind playing tricks on me?19:22
specialthe latter19:22
specialwhat are you looking for?19:22
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tortoisedocsome dbus method call registered by lipstick19:22
tortoisedocbut as it is registered @ runtime19:23
tortoisedocit seems it does not appear on dbus-monitor19:23
specialwhat method call?19:23
tortoisedocwhich probably means i can't intercept it either :/19:23
special.service files aren't relevant at all19:23
tortoisedoc(on c++ side)19:23
tortoisedoc(in lipstick)19:23
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tortoisedocit is interesting19:25
specialyou're expecting it to be called by mapplauncherd and you're not seeing that in dbus-monitor?19:25
tortoisedoccause it is in the end just another dbus method19:25
tortoisedocfrom the code this seems to be the flow19:26
tortoisedocalmost 3 -4 :D19:26
tortoisedocspecial: the way it works is that windowmodel exports itself as a dbus object and gives itself an interface name19:27
special[22:41:39]  <special> what application are you launching to test this?19:27
specialnot sure if that message went through.19:27
specialyes, I know19:28
tortoisedocnote : i am using the emulator atm19:28
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specialthat didn't answer the question ;)19:28
tortoisedocin particular i am using "components" app :P19:28
specialinteresting. Does it activate?19:29
tortoisedocyup, works just fine19:29
specialah, I think I remember what this is19:29
tortoisedocoho! :)19:29
specialyes; lipstick-jolla-home short circuits the whole thing when it finds a window in the switcher related to the icon you're launching19:30
specialit never goes to mapplauncherd in that case19:30
tortoisedocaha! :D19:31
tortoisedocis this a bug? :P19:31
specialwhy would it be?19:31
tortoisedocI do recall seeing the same call being made even for a first time activation actually19:32
tortoisedocbut i might be wrong19:32
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tortoisedocanyways, so lipstick-jolla-home does some black magic and handles it on it's own19:32
specialit's not particularly black, but yes19:33
tortoisedocah the "I do " above should have been a "I do not" >_<19:33
specialmapplauncherd's single instance stuff is a bit of a hack. Useful sometimes, but for the most part we don't rely on it anymore19:33
specialit made more sense pre-wayland19:34
tortoisedocspecial : you mean the whole booster thingy or just the mapplauncherd?19:34
specialjust the single instance feature19:34
specialthe boosters are quite useful.19:34
tortoisedocfor one sec I thought wtf :P19:34
specialwe save something like 600-800ms with the silica-qt5 booster19:35
tortoisedocyeah, can imagine with all the qml parsing etc19:35
specialand share more memory19:35
tortoisedocspecial  : thanks again for the help19:36
tortoisedocthis cleared things up alot19:36
faenilif only we had QtQuick Compiler as well :)19:37
tortoisedocfaenil : JIT compiler? :)19:37
tortoisedochmm isnt there precompiled qml ?19:37
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tortoisedocok, s.k. - algeria ended 2 - 419:38
tortoisedocnot bad game :)19:38
tortoisedoctime to go to sleep19:38
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special(compiling doesn't take a huge amount of time, fwiw)19:38
faeniltoirtoisedoc, see
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faenilspecial, well, even if it were only would still be quite useful19:39
faenilgiven the current startup times are quite bad19:39
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specialstartup times of what?19:39
specialwhat apps?19:39
faenilany app? :)19:39
faenilthe ones which are not running in background19:40
specialcomponent gallery launches faster than l-j-h's launch animation for me19:40
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faenilit takes more than a sec to show up on avg19:41
faenil( I don't have gallery installed)19:42
special"it" doesn't tell me anything19:42
faenilit [usually] takes more than a sec [for an app UI] to show up, on avg19:43
specialplenty of applications have slow startup, for application-specific reasons19:43
faenilfor sure19:43
faenilthat will always be the case19:43
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specialcomponent gallery is a good baseline of a boosted application using silica without other initialization costs19:44
faenilyeah well I think it's more fair (fairer? XD) to say that comp gallery is, like, the ideal case19:45
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specialfun exercise: export QML_COMPILER_STATS=1 in environment to see what QML is compiled19:46
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specialit doesn't give you timing numbers, but it'll show you how much (or how little) there is19:46
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specialthe vast majority of launch time in more complex applications is going to be other things, though. compilation isn't that bad19:47
specialit probably takes a chunk of time for something as big as, say, lipstick-jolla-home19:48
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specialbut l-j-h has worse costs than that ;)19:48
faenilso you'd say it's even less than 10%19:49
specialit also changes completely in 5.1 versus 5.219:50
specialnot sure offhand if compilation got faster or slower19:50
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