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| coderus | netchip: you need to install qt5-qtdeclarative-import-location and qt5-qtdeclarative-import-positioning packages | 03:40 |
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| Sailor8568 | hey | 06:51 |
| Sailor8568 | I'm netchip btw | 06:51 |
| Sailor8568 | however, how do I use mitakuuluu? | 06:51 |
| Sailor8568 | it syncs and all | 06:52 |
| Sailor8568 | but I can't start a chat... | 06:52 |
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| faenil | moo | 07:00 |
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| raa700 | Sailor8568: swipe to left, find contact, ???, profit | 07:05 |
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| Sailor8568 | raa700: doesnt work :( | 07:09 |
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| Sailor8568 | raa700: which version do you use? | 07:11 |
| Sailor8568 | mitakuuluu2 from openrepo? | 07:11 |
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| tortoisedoc | grumblegrumble | 07:29 |
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| tortoisedoc | hey sailors, do you know if jolla will rely on qt in-app purchases? | 07:35 |
| tortoisedoc | http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2014/04/02/qt-purchasing-api-1-0-technology-preview-released/ | 07:35 |
| faenil | that's not a stable API, can't go into store (lol) | 07:35 |
| tortoisedoc | faenil : also it's qt 5.3 so not yet in store :P | 07:36 |
| faenil | yeah, and since qt5.2 is coming not sooner than september | 07:36 |
| faenil | I'd say 5.3 will be ready in dec, if there are no big troubles | 07:37 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | what kind of alternatives are there to ads? | 07:40 |
| faenil | dunno | 07:40 |
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| MSameer | tortoisedoc_: the only practical alternative is ads itself | 09:29 |
| MSameer | unless you want to setup your own mini store | 09:29 |
| MSameer | if I get a guarantee that my app will be accepted in harbour, I could start a mini-store with payed apps | 09:30 |
| MSameer | and offer the service for people but I doubt such an app would get accepted | 09:30 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | msameer :thanks | 09:32 |
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| entil | MSameer: hey hi, did you work for maemo by any chance? | 09:39 |
| MSameer | entil: yup | 09:40 |
| MSameer | entil: primarily on N800,N810 (minor work) and primarily on N9 | 09:40 |
| entil | cool, I'm playing "spot old acquaintances" here :D | 09:40 |
| * entil markus, integration, with misha, sasha, marc et al | 09:41 | |
| MSameer | entil: you can spot plenty here :) | 09:41 |
| entil | for sure | 09:41 |
| entil | how's life? | 09:41 |
| MSameer | entil: Yup I remember you (or I think I can relate the name to a person) | 09:41 |
| MSameer | didn't you have a light brown jacket ? :D | 09:41 |
| entil | I have had one, but I can't remember what I wore like 5-7-whatever years ago :D | 09:42 |
| MSameer | hehe :) | 09:42 |
| entil | I had long hair back then, though | 09:43 |
| MSameer | how's it going these days? | 09:43 |
| MSameer | entil: if you are on OFTC net then you will find a lot of us | 09:43 |
| entil | the long and the short of it... joined a startup effort after maemo, unfortunately a force majeure killed that :/ worked privately (toiminimi style) for a while, facebook apps, until joining a new company as a co-founder | 09:44 |
| entil | I quit that company about a week ago | 09:44 |
| MSameer | oops | 09:44 |
| entil | no, I did it on purpose :D | 09:44 |
| entil | it was four years of startup, and I'm sure my stocks are worth more if they don't have to pay me | 09:45 |
| MSameer | a lot of adventures and hard times | 09:45 |
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| entil | because despite the company growing, we had to hire more people and such, so it wasn't a rich life for the founders :/ also the products are pretty much all done so there's not a whole lot to do, so it just felt like a good move to move somewhere else | 09:46 |
| MSameer | entil: we are in the same building so pretty hard to forget | 09:46 |
| MSameer | entil: what's the company doing? | 09:46 |
| entil | MSameer: same building? jolla? nokia building? you lost me | 09:47 |
| entil | MSameer: job markets | 09:47 |
| entil | headhunting, recruitment, stuff like that - not an IT company | 09:47 |
| MSameer | entil: jolla is in the same Nokia building (itamerenkatu 11-13) | 09:47 |
| entil | thought it'd be interesting to do IT for a non-IT company but there's a lot of trouble working like that as well | 09:47 |
| MSameer | true | 09:48 |
| MSameer | and it becomes complicated | 09:48 |
| entil | MSameer: cool, it looks like I'll be rejoining the general ruoholahti district in about a month, but unfortunately not jolla ;P | 09:48 |
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| entil | I like the phrase "technological idiots" ;) | 09:48 |
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| entil | for a type of smart yet clueless people | 09:48 |
| MSameer | entil: +1 :D | 09:48 |
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| entil | so let's see about harbour conformity | 09:52 |
| MSameer | what's with harbour ? ;) | 09:54 |
| MSameer | I have an app that ships 49 libraries yet still does not conform :P | 09:54 |
| entil | I got inspired to code yesterday, unfortunately I didn't realize from the beginning that I might want to publish it somewhere and that if I do it has to conform to https://harbour.jolla.com/faq | 09:54 |
| entil | shouldn't be a big deal to fix | 09:55 |
| MSameer | entil: I usually write my app and worry about conformance later | 09:55 |
| entil | as did I now :D | 09:55 |
| entil | but it'd probably not be a bad habit to start naming apps harbour-* in the future.. | 09:55 |
| wickwire | it's a shame that the harbour dashboard is still displaying dummy data | 09:56 |
| MSameer | actually I have not written anything from scratch yet. I am just porting my n9 stuff | 09:56 |
| entil | ah | 09:56 |
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| entil | I wrote https://github.com/mjtorn/jolla-morse but it doesn't conform to anything either | 09:56 |
| wickwire | I publish an app about 4 months ago | 09:56 |
| MSameer | entil: that I solve in the packaging (renaming) | 09:56 |
| locusf | entil: there is a rpm validator in the SDK | 09:56 |
| entil | but there I knew I'd (probably) never want it anywhere near the store | 09:56 |
| wickwire | and I still can't see user comments or reply, from the dashboard | 09:56 |
| wickwire | is there something the community can do to help with this? | 09:57 |
| kimmoli | hmm, i think the sdk could have wizard to put all "harbour-" stuff in correct places... | 09:57 |
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| wickwire | I'd be willing to help fix it... | 09:57 |
| entil | locusf: whoah | 09:57 |
| MSameer | entil: at least for my camera app, I decided it's not worth the trouble for now so I am keeping it out of harbour | 09:57 |
| MSameer | wickwire: ping iekku | 09:57 |
| entil | https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator this is an external app anyway | 09:57 |
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| wickwire | MSameer: thanks I will | 09:58 |
| locusf | entil: the same app is installed in the mer sdk | 09:58 |
| locusf | entil: its in Harbour Tools of the SailfishOS tab in Qt Creator | 09:58 |
| kimmoli | I use it through browser; localhost:8080 while sdk vm is running | 09:59 |
| kimmoli | much responisive, and remembers path... | 09:59 |
| locusf | true | 09:59 |
| entil | locusf: yeah, gievs some valuable feedback for the arm rpm | 10:00 |
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| MSameer | entil: locusf I cloned it locally here and use it. partially because I don't use the sdk but also because the tool updates are more frequent than the sdk updates | 10:03 |
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| entil | ah ok | 10:04 |
| entil | I really like the sdk, it's just too bad I don't get to use it that much... because I even opened some issues with it, like the fakevim mode not knowing :relnum | 10:05 |
| MSameer | the SDK is not bad | 10:05 |
| MSameer | I just don't use it | 10:05 |
| MSameer | qtcreator is a piece of utter crap compared to emacs IMHO | 10:05 |
| entil | I really don't want to go into that, but I just appreciate how the sdk makes some things easy | 10:06 |
| MSameer | build vm -> obs | 10:06 |
| MSameer | what remains? | 10:06 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 10:06 |
| tortoisedoc | is there an equivalent to settings-ui (meego) in sailfishos | 10:06 |
| entil | I'm sure there are pre-made apps for things like deploying on the phone but the sdk ide makes it easy enough and the editor is close enough to what I'd use anyway | 10:07 |
| MSameer | entil: I am a command line guy who used scratchbox for years so the SDK can be there as it wants for others to ease their pain | 10:07 |
| entil | hehe | 10:07 |
| MSameer | tortoisedoc: jolla-settings but you can't have plugins for it and publish in harbour | 10:07 |
| entil | ironically doing the dashboardy work at maemo means I never touched scratchbox, though one might think I would've | 10:07 |
| locusf | currently I'm just using the sdk to start mer vm and edit, everything else with ssh and mb2 deploy | 10:08 |
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| MSameer | guys, I am not saying the SDK is bad. I am saying the SDK does not suit me so I am not using it | 10:09 |
| tortoisedoc | MSameer : you opened pandora's box :P | 10:09 |
| * MSameer hides away from kaltsi | 10:09 | |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 10:09 |
| * MSameer likes panadora boxes :) | 10:10 | |
| MSameer | OK, every time I mention Pandora I have to try hard to forget that Pandora in the Arabic lebanese dialect is tomatoes :) | 10:10 |
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| entil | hf | 10:12 |
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| arnav-g | hey | 10:32 |
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| jpnurmi | is the system settings integration yet allowed for apps in harbour? | 11:06 |
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| iekku | wickwire, i hope we have dashboard working finally soon(ish) | 11:37 |
| iekku | wickwire, there has been several community members offering help, but i haven't been able to get that help through. | 11:37 |
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| wickwire | ikekku: thanks for the feedback, it's a pitty though | 12:24 |
| wickwire | I did enjoy developing for Jolla, a native app | 12:25 |
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| R-Z | sailfish os seems like a nice platform to play with | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 12:32 |
| entil | despite having (had) trouble with qml, it's very nice indeed | 12:35 |
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| faenil | entil, read the docs? | 12:36 |
| * faenil runs :D | 12:36 | |
| entil | faenil: :D | 12:36 |
| entil | submitted my app for the store btw | 12:36 |
| faenil | good :) | 12:36 |
| special | does openssl.org work for anyone | 12:37 |
| entil | got the next idea as well, but dunno if/when I'll pull it off... it would be a REST/json client mainly, but I don't have personal use just yet | 12:37 |
| faenil | special, works here | 12:37 |
| special | huh. | 12:37 |
| faenil | special, since you're here, can I bother you a few minutes? | 12:38 |
| special | I reserve the right to not do anything work related on sundays | 12:38 |
| special | but you can try | 12:38 |
| faenil | :) | 12:38 |
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| faenil | I'm a bit tired of having 3-4 numbers/names in a conversation when it's actually the same person (I think even same number, some times!), is there anything I can do to fix that? | 12:39 |
| special | what do you mean? | 12:40 |
| faenil | I've been hoping it would get fixed, but it's been months now and still working the same way | 12:40 |
| faenil | let's see if I can explain myself | 12:40 |
| faenil | Bob has number 123 | 12:41 |
| faenil | I also have Bob on SIM as Bobby | 12:41 |
| faenil | messages app shows | 12:41 |
| faenil | Bob, Bobby, 123, 123 | 12:41 |
| faenil | and similar, in the recipients | 12:41 |
| faenil | and it does that for almost every conversation I have | 12:41 |
| faenil | it's...annoying :/ | 12:41 |
| special | so "Bob" and "Bobby" are separate contacts with the same phone number | 12:42 |
| faenil | let me take the phone so I don't say bs ;) | 12:42 |
| special | it's a known bug | 12:42 |
| entil | that's probably a happy problem... the n900 didn't show who's calling if she was stored twice iirc | 12:42 |
| entil | having the name show twice is far superior ;) | 12:43 |
| special | I've been working on a refactoring branch for awhile that will, among other things, solve that problem | 12:43 |
| faenil | special, I see... | 12:43 |
| special | hopefully done soon | 12:43 |
| entil | the commhistory/contact code is pretty interesting ;) | 12:43 |
| faenil | so, September, hopefully | 12:43 |
| special | "interesting" is one word | 12:43 |
| special | the refactoring branch is gathering all of the UID/phone number comparison/contact resolution into its own class and using that everywhere | 12:44 |
| special | so it can be implemented consistently, can handle lists of UIDs correctly, and so on | 12:45 |
| faenil | special, oh oh...I just tapped on "Link" on my gf contact | 12:45 |
| faenil | and it shows 7 google, 2 telepathy, 1 fb | 12:45 |
| faenil | something is very wrong there | 12:45 |
| special | or you have 7 google contacts for her | 12:45 |
| special | that would not surprise me much | 12:46 |
| faenil | no way | 12:46 |
| special | contacts-tool inside 'devel-su -p' can help you see what exactly is stored | 12:46 |
| special | n-q-p-contacts-tools iirc | 12:46 |
| faenil | well, it could be that jolla duplicated my contacts many times | 12:46 |
| faenil | most likely a bug of the 2 sync | 12:46 |
| faenil | oh for god's sake, yes a lot of my contacts have been duplicated on google now :( 5-6-7 times | 12:47 |
| special | you've only run public release versions of update7, right/ | 12:47 |
| faenil | yes | 12:48 |
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| faenil | additional info: all the duplicated people are those I had chats with on Android whatsapp | 12:48 |
| special | chriadam|away: ^ that is interesting | 12:48 |
| faenil | mmm not only it seems | 12:49 |
| faenil | but most of them | 12:49 |
| special | chris might have questions for you on contacts sync | 12:50 |
| special | or you might just make him cry on a monday morning | 12:50 |
| faenil | but there is one contact which I added on update5, and only had WA chats with her, and it's shown 6 times on google web UI | 12:50 |
| faenil | some of the duplicated contacts don't even have numbers | 12:51 |
| faenil | it's just a name | 12:51 |
| faenil | so definitely not always something *I* added | 12:51 |
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| special | you can switch the google sync to one-way | 12:52 |
| faenil | special, my google account is also full of contacts with numbers only now, as well | 12:53 |
| special | understanding contacts bugs is not something I'm willing to do on a sunday | 12:54 |
| faenil | it seems it took all contacts from the sim and sent them to google, without their name | 12:54 |
| faenil | no problem ;) | 12:54 |
| faenil | just leaving info here for tomorrow | 12:54 |
| faenil | that's probably why names disappeared from some of my whatsapp contacts after updating to update7 | 12:54 |
| special | yes, if you have contacts with numbers but no names, they might be matched and would result in the number being displayed | 12:55 |
| faenil | yes | 12:55 |
| special | which explains why they'd show up in commhistory | 12:55 |
| special | your journal is probably full of commhistory complaining about duplicate contact matches | 12:55 |
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| faenil | :) | 12:55 |
| faenil | special, grepping on commhistory shows nothing related to duplicated | 12:58 |
| faenil | duplicates* | 12:58 |
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| leszek | hi | 13:57 |
| faenil | hi | 13:58 |
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| flux | I wonder, is the work-in-progress qt5 bluez4 ble source code available? I would like to try it :) | 14:12 |
| flux | I just got my HM-10 bluetooth module working | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro's? | 14:13 |
| flux | now that you mention is javispedro did mention it | 14:13 |
| flux | it looks like the current approach is to take the bluetooth specs and use them on top of HCI | 14:15 |
| flux | alternatively one can choose to refactor the GPL-licensed gatttool | 14:15 |
| flux | "Qt5.3 Bluetooth API seems to be walking the same path, except that they call a separate program (gatttool) for GATT instead of reimplementing the protocol in the library." - seriously?-o | 14:16 |
| flux | I actually have some code built on gatttool as well but that's soo hacky. | 14:17 |
| flux | whaddayaknow, I found this: http://depot.javispedro.com/jolla/ble/ linked from here https://together.jolla.com/question/8589/proper-bluetooth-le-support/ | 14:17 |
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| m4g0g | hello | 14:29 |
| m4g0g | how to get delegate item height from Repeater? | 14:29 |
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| flux | nice, libgato and its test-mw test app actually establishes a connection and retrieves the characteristics | 14:55 |
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| kimmoli | m4g0g: https://github.com/kimmoli/harbour-siika/blob/master/qml/pages/TietojaPage.qml#L114 pikkukalat is a repeater... this sets rotation but maybe you get the height in same way ?? | 14:55 |
| m4g0g | thx | 14:56 |
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| flux | cool, messages go back and forth. thanks javispedro! | 15:16 |
| flux | too bad there is no jollabot to pass such messages 8-) | 15:16 |
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| flux | also too bad the test app has no license, I apparently cannot redistribute it then anymore ;) | 15:24 |
| tortoisedoc | wow! nice match on tv (Belgium vs russia) :) | 15:24 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 15:27 |
| tortoisedoc | jolla guys, any ETA on jolla-settings being accepted in harbour? | 15:27 |
| tortoisedoc | https://together.jolla.com/question/13464/why-are-native-app-developers-not-using-settings-apps/ | 15:27 |
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| Beankylla | pouet | 15:40 |
| Beankylla | ^ | 15:40 |
| Beankylla | thats all i have to say for nwo | 15:40 |
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| Nicd- | Beankylla: stop disconnecting :P | 16:01 |
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| flux | how was it again how I installed software to the sailfishsdk? 'bluez' in particular. yum lists no repos available. | 16:15 |
| flux | ah, forgot that it was zypper the sdk used :) | 16:16 |
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| flux | how do I install stuff to /home/deploy? manually extract rpm and copy? | 16:30 |
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| flux | well, other than just make install it directly there, I suppose that works but isn't quite as neat as I'd hope | 16:31 |
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| flux | so now I have libgato-devel in both the build environment and /home/deploy/installroot, yet the build process says "No provider of 'libgato-devel' found" - what does this exactly mean? | 16:39 |
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| flux | I wonder if the problem is because the libgato-devel doesn't come from any repository. | 16:43 |
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| flux | well, atleast putting the files to /srv/mer/targets/SailfishOS-armv7hl didn't change anything | 16:47 |
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| kaltsi | flux: are you using the sdk with qt creator? | 16:49 |
| flux | yes | 16:49 |
| kaltsi | are you trying to install some devel package that is in the default sdk repositories? | 16:49 |
| flux | no, it's not in the default sdk repositories | 16:49 |
| kaltsi | ah not.. | 16:49 |
| kaltsi | where is it? | 16:49 |
| kaltsi | is it a repo or just some packages? | 16:50 |
| flux | the source you mean? https://gitorious.org/gato/libgato/ | 16:50 |
| kaltsi | no the rpm packages? | 16:50 |
| flux | /home/mersdk/share/src/ext/gato/build-libgato-MerSDK_SailfishOS_armv7hl-Release/RPMS | 16:51 |
| flux | in the build environment | 16:51 |
| kaltsi | so you've built that and want to install it to the build environment for other projects to use? | 16:51 |
| flux | yes | 16:51 |
| kaltsi | do you know how to login to the MerSDK with ssh? | 16:51 |
| flux | yes, I'm logged in | 16:51 |
| kaltsi | ok.. then install the devel and the normal package like this: sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R zypper in packagename packagename-devel | 16:52 |
| flux | the last arguments are without .rpm and without version? | 16:53 |
| kaltsi | no, the local rpm files from your RPMS directory | 16:53 |
| flux | hey, thanks, now it works! | 16:53 |
| kaltsi | that should be enough.. if you want the headers available in Qt Creator, go to the 'Sailfish' icon and 'manage' the armv7hl target and press 'sync' | 16:54 |
| kaltsi | having them available in Qt Creator means that it may be able to autocomplete function names from the headers or something like that | 16:55 |
| locusf | what about qml libraries like qt5-libofono? | 16:56 |
| locusf | will I get autocomplete on that as well | 16:56 |
| kaltsi | I don't know .. the qml autocomplete is a bit mystery to me, but depends on how well the package has been made and does it include the necessary file.. what was its name again.. | 16:57 |
| flux | hm, someone ate all my targets when I clicked sync, time to restart :) | 16:57 |
| kaltsi | flux: you may need to reconfigure your project.. click on the project tab in qt creator | 16:57 |
| kaltsi | and select the target again | 16:58 |
| flux | thanks | 16:59 |
| kaltsi | locusf: there should be a file called 'plugins.qmltypes' with the qml library to have autocompletion in qt creator | 16:59 |
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| kaltsi | (afaik) | 16:59 |
| locusf | kaltsi: ok | 16:59 |
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| kaltsi | if it's not there, you may be able to create it yourself | 17:01 |
| kaltsi | http://unix0.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/how-to-add-qml-module-with-plugins-for-qt-creator/ | 17:01 |
| kaltsi | if you do that then it should be done in the correct sb2 target and then it needs to be synced again | 17:01 |
| flux | cool, now I can enter characters in jolla (well, over ssh) to an BLE terminal application and receive them back from the serial program attached to HM-10 bluetooth le module :) (and vice versa) | 17:02 |
| flux | I suppose I have all I need to make the actual application. | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 17:02 |
| flux | it even noticed the powerdown in just a couple seconds | 17:04 |
| flux | and it even reconnected when power came back, almost imediately | 17:06 |
| flux | I'm positively surprised nothing has crashed so far :-) | 17:06 |
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| flux | it's amazing how the BLE module takes only 3.30V/0.008A, so 0.026 mW | 17:07 |
| kimmoli | flux: +1 sounds interesting ... | 17:08 |
| kimmoli | i have only managed to lit a led over fuse | 17:09 |
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| tbr | flux: hmmm, what chipset is in that hm-10? I have a redbear mini ble thing that I should probably try soon with the jolla | 17:10 |
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| flux | it has the Ti chip everybody uses.. | 17:13 |
| kimmoli | CC2540/CC2541 ? | 17:14 |
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| flux | CC2541 | 17:14 |
| flux | costs $9.50 | 17:16 |
| flux | actually ordered a couple more as I had thought I had killed this one, but no, it worked fine | 17:16 |
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| * kimmoli blames flux... ordered few... | 17:19 | |
| flux | oh, I should have mentioned the firmware/documentation is a mystery :-) | 17:20 |
| flux | apparently I have such an old version that the documentation no longer matches | 17:20 |
| flux | but it's possible to upgrade the firmware | 17:20 |
| flux | at least the version I have supports only UART replacement characteristic, so basically bytes in/out | 17:20 |
| flux | the more recent ones have some iBeacon functionality | 17:20 |
| flux | so far the only feedback from the device I have been able to get is 'OK'.. no other query has worked :) | 17:21 |
| flux | but, it's pretty nice how easily this rx/tx-scenario works. probably the MCU code wil require zero logic to make use of that if it already has serial code. | 17:22 |
| tbr | ooh, 9.5usd sounds nice | 17:22 |
| kimmoli | i took first what i found, $19.29 for 3pcs | 17:23 |
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| kimmoli | ah CC2540 would have usb interface too.. | 17:26 |
| tbr | that's probably what's in the redbear | 17:26 |
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| carepack | hi. I miss an option to mark all emails as read. Isn't a feature like this available? | 17:39 |
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| bibicheko | Hello. What now with new version of Sailfish OS for Nexus 4? Where is instructions? | 18:01 |
| tbr | wait and see | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | comes tomorrow :) | 18:04 |
| Yaniel | oh ffs | 18:04 |
| Yaniel | my sd card seems to become half unreadable every now and then | 18:04 |
| Yaniel | `ls` just says I/O error | 18:05 |
| Yaniel | and media player fails to open some files (but curiously others work) | 18:05 |
| Yaniel | rebooting helps though | 18:05 |
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| bibicheko | Tommorow? Monday is now (1:22 23.06.14) | 18:07 |
| MSameer | IO error? | 18:08 |
| MSameer | not good | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: dmesg | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | bibicheko: in my timezone, it's not.. :P | 18:08 |
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| Yaniel | oh right and I suppose the stacktrace I found in the boot logs is interesting to you too | 18:09 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 18:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | ffs this emulator can make one loose it's nerves :P | 18:19 |
| Yaniel | sorry, a bit slow atm, trying to do 3-5 things at the same time | 18:23 |
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| Yaniel | Stskeeps: does "parent transid verify failed on 65871872 wanted 22778 found 19788" ring any bells? | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | no | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | btrfs error? | 18:31 |
| Yaniel | also can I install a better pager from somewhere -.- | 18:31 |
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| Yaniel | tons of "Jun 22 15:59:52 Jolla kernel: mdp4_mixer_blend_setup: Error: no bg_pipe at mixer=0" earlier today (possibly related to mediaplayer suddenly stopping) | 18:36 |
| MSameer | Yaniel: less is available | 18:36 |
| Yaniel | and "Jun 22 16:35:46 Jolla kernel: hdmi_msm hdmi_msm.1: hdmi_msm_hpd_on: Failed to enable 5V regulator. Error=-19" | 18:36 |
| MSameer | mdp4 is related to display IIRC | 18:36 |
| bibicheko | Stskeeps: Your timezone it's.... | 18:37 |
| Yaniel | MSameer: ahh :3 | 18:37 |
| MSameer | Yaniel: not sure if less needs mer-tools to be enabled or not | 18:38 |
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| bibicheko | Finland timezone it's GMT +2? | 18:38 |
| MSameer | DST | 18:38 |
| MSameer | is it +3? no idea | 18:38 |
| tbr | bibicheko: stop whining, check again in 8h | 18:38 |
| Yaniel | looks like it does | 18:39 |
| Yaniel | I have it enabled anyway | 18:39 |
| Nicd- | finnish time is +3 currently, MSameer | 18:39 |
| bibicheko | 8:00 on what zone? | 18:39 |
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| Yaniel | https://pastee.org/qtbrf | 18:39 |
| Nicd- | bibicheko: it will be released when it's ready | 18:39 |
| MSameer | Nicd-: I just live the moment and leave these things to my laptop and phones but thanks :D | 18:39 |
| Nicd- | wish we'd get rid of DST | 18:40 |
| bibicheko | Okay. I'm go to sleep. Good luck | 18:40 |
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| MSameer | 22 21:56:57 Jolla kernel: SurfaceFlinger: unhandled page fault (11) at 0x00000000, code 0x005 | 18:40 |
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| MSameer | that sounds like aliendalvik | 18:40 |
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| entil | do you guys have a clue btw about how much better c++ code performs in sailfish/silica than javascript? | 18:42 |
| entil | like where should one draw the line between c++ and javascript? | 18:42 |
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| Nicd- | well C++ is native so it's crazy fast compared to JS, I would guess | 18:43 |
| MSameer | entil: depends | 18:43 |
| entil | sure, but if there's an ajax client involved and the risk for other latency high | 18:44 |
| giucam | imho it's better to not do js at all, except the bare necessary minimum | 18:44 |
| MSameer | if you are doing heavy lifting then I'd move it to C++ | 18:44 |
| giucam | also for maintenability of qml files | 18:44 |
| Nicd- | I wouldn't say that, giucam | 18:44 |
| entil | one would assume the visible margin between the two could be pretty small | 18:44 |
| Nicd- | I'd just abstract the JS into its own files and libraries, but using it is completely fine | 18:44 |
| MSameer | entil: ajax + xml -> use xml declarative models | 18:44 |
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| entil | MSameer: yeah, the sms importer was obvious c++ and the mana calculator obvious javascript but something that talks to the internet etc is harder to decide | 18:44 |
| Nicd- | entil: if you're just doing ajax calls, I'd go for JS | 18:45 |
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| entil | they could be reimplemented, I guess | 18:45 |
| giucam | Nicd-: i suppose my opinion comes from the fact that i much prefer c++ to js as a language :) | 18:45 |
| MSameer | entil: honestly, I'd make the talking to network js since it's easier and the rest in C++ | 18:45 |
| MSameer | entil: modern CPUs are powerful | 18:45 |
| entil | I'm thinking of a discogs client, if I didn't mention that before, so it's all about listing cds and cd collections and stuff like that | 18:46 |
| Yaniel | "parent transid verify failed on 65871872 wanted 22778 found 19788" shows up a lot | 18:46 |
| MSameer | entil: do you get xml you need to parse? | 18:46 |
| entil | so there probably wouldn't be that many qml files even, and that's also why I'm undecided, because long lists and doing object-oriented access on the api endpoint might be as cool in c++ as in javascript, if not cooler | 18:46 |
| entil | MSameer: it's json | 18:46 |
| Yaniel | as does Jolla -fullscreen[20121]: [W] QGstreamerPlayerSession::processBusMessage:1178 - Error: "Could not read from resource." | 18:47 |
| entil | the libraries exist, fortunately | 18:47 |
| Yaniel | and Jolla -fullscreen[20121]: [W] QGstreamerPlayerSession::processBusMessage:1076 - Error: "No URI set" | 18:47 |
| Nicd- | if you're getting json, use JS | 18:47 |
| Nicd- | optimize only if you run into performance problems | 18:47 |
| MSameer | entil: I'd then use js to fetch and C++ for the rest. someone created a jsonlistmodel equivalent to xmllistmodel ;) | 18:47 |
| entil | yeah, js might be easier to implement, I'd hate to be stuck on something trivial, and it can be reimplemented later | 18:47 |
| Nicd- | and trust me, you won't run into performance issues | 18:47 |
| Nicd- | not with just ajax | 18:47 |
| entil | yeah, it's not calc-intense in any way, and maybe all the disc info is ok with json... | 18:48 |
| entil | let's see about when I might get started on that.. don't have a real need just yet, still going through my collection on musicbrainz | 18:48 |
| MSameer | entil: http://qt-project.org/wiki/JSONListModel | 18:49 |
| MSameer | entil: might need porting to Qt5/QtQuick 2.0 but that's trivial | 18:49 |
| entil | nice | 18:50 |
| entil | I have to think about it | 18:50 |
| MSameer | most of my issues are usually related to startup performance but app performance in general is fine | 18:50 |
| MSameer | except one app when I enabled the frame rate display on my jolla and the screen turned red :D | 18:51 |
| entil | o_O | 18:52 |
| entil | but I think I'll play something, thanks for the food for thought :) | 18:52 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 18:55 |
| tortoisedoc | dbus-monitor should track method calls as well correct? | 18:55 |
| tortoisedoc | (assuming it's monitoring the correct bus) | 18:55 |
| special | it shows all traffic over that bus, yes | 18:55 |
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| tortoisedoc | special : thanks | 18:57 |
| tortoisedoc | woot korea algeria 1 -3 :D | 18:57 |
| tortoisedoc | one more question | 18:58 |
| tortoisedoc | is mapplauncherd used in sailfishos? | 18:58 |
| tortoisedoc | or only in nemo? | 18:58 |
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| special | tortoisedoc: it's used extensively in sailfish | 19:00 |
| tortoisedoc | okay | 19:00 |
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| tortoisedoc | wow | 19:03 |
| tortoisedoc | just noticed now sailfishos has 10 permission bits for files :P | 19:04 |
| special | hm? | 19:04 |
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| MSameer | 19? | 19:07 |
| MSameer | 10? | 19:07 |
| tortoisedoc | drwxrwxr-x | 19:07 |
| tortoisedoc | for example | 19:07 |
| tortoisedoc | (from ls -l -a) | 19:07 |
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| MSameer | d = directory | 19:08 |
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| MSameer | rwx = owner read/write/execute | 19:09 |
| MSameer | same for group | 19:09 |
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| MSameer | others -> read and execute | 19:09 |
| MSameer | actually execute here is "cd" because it's a directory | 19:09 |
| MSameer | ls = reat | 19:09 |
| MSameer | touch = write | 19:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | wooot | 19:16 |
| tortoisedoc | s.k. 2 - algeria 4 :D | 19:16 |
| tortoisedoc | goleadaaaa | 19:16 |
| tortoisedoc | MSameer: I also noticed a "s" (priviledged?) | 19:17 |
| MSameer | tortoisedoc: setgid | 19:17 |
| tortoisedoc | aaah | 19:18 |
| tortoisedoc | :P | 19:18 |
| MSameer | I think it's setgid privileged | 19:18 |
| tortoisedoc | I should definitely go to sleep -_- | 19:18 |
| tortoisedoc | too much juhannus for me this year :P | 19:18 |
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| tortoisedoc | special : it appears dbus method call for services registered @ runtime (i.e. without service file) are not visible on dbus-monitor | 19:21 |
| tortoisedoc | or is it just my tired mind playing tricks on me? | 19:22 |
| special | the latter | 19:22 |
| special | what are you looking for? | 19:22 |
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| tortoisedoc | some dbus method call registered by lipstick | 19:22 |
| tortoisedoc | but as it is registered @ runtime | 19:23 |
| tortoisedoc | it seems it does not appear on dbus-monitor | 19:23 |
| special | what method call? | 19:23 |
| tortoisedoc | which probably means i can't intercept it either :/ | 19:23 |
| special | .service files aren't relevant at all | 19:23 |
| tortoisedoc | windowmodel.launchProcess | 19:23 |
| tortoisedoc | (on c++ side) | 19:23 |
| tortoisedoc | (in lipstick) | 19:23 |
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| special | mm | 19:25 |
| tortoisedoc | it is interesting | 19:25 |
| special | you're expecting it to be called by mapplauncherd and you're not seeing that in dbus-monitor? | 19:25 |
| tortoisedoc | cause it is in the end just another dbus method | 19:25 |
| tortoisedoc | yep | 19:25 |
| tortoisedoc | from the code this seems to be the flow | 19:26 |
| tortoisedoc | wooo | 19:26 |
| tortoisedoc | almost 3 -4 :D | 19:26 |
| tortoisedoc | special: the way it works is that windowmodel exports itself as a dbus object and gives itself an interface name | 19:27 |
| special | [22:41:39] <special> what application are you launching to test this? | 19:27 |
| special | not sure if that message went through. | 19:27 |
| special | yes, I know | 19:28 |
| tortoisedoc | note : i am using the emulator atm | 19:28 |
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| special | that didn't answer the question ;) | 19:28 |
| tortoisedoc | in particular i am using "components" app :P | 19:28 |
| special | interesting. Does it activate? | 19:29 |
| tortoisedoc | yup, works just fine | 19:29 |
| special | ah, I think I remember what this is | 19:29 |
| tortoisedoc | oho! :) | 19:29 |
| special | yes; lipstick-jolla-home short circuits the whole thing when it finds a window in the switcher related to the icon you're launching | 19:30 |
| special | it never goes to mapplauncherd in that case | 19:30 |
| tortoisedoc | aha! :D | 19:31 |
| tortoisedoc | is this a bug? :P | 19:31 |
| special | why would it be? | 19:31 |
| tortoisedoc | I do recall seeing the same call being made even for a first time activation actually | 19:32 |
| tortoisedoc | but i might be wrong | 19:32 |
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| tortoisedoc | anyways, so lipstick-jolla-home does some black magic and handles it on it's own | 19:32 |
| special | it's not particularly black, but yes | 19:33 |
| tortoisedoc | ah the "I do " above should have been a "I do not" >_< | 19:33 |
| special | mapplauncherd's single instance stuff is a bit of a hack. Useful sometimes, but for the most part we don't rely on it anymore | 19:33 |
| special | it made more sense pre-wayland | 19:34 |
| tortoisedoc | special : you mean the whole booster thingy or just the mapplauncherd? | 19:34 |
| special | just the single instance feature | 19:34 |
| tortoisedoc | ah | 19:34 |
| special | the boosters are quite useful. | 19:34 |
| tortoisedoc | for one sec I thought wtf :P | 19:34 |
| special | we save something like 600-800ms with the silica-qt5 booster | 19:35 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah, can imagine with all the qml parsing etc | 19:35 |
| special | and share more memory | 19:35 |
| tortoisedoc | special : thanks again for the help | 19:36 |
| tortoisedoc | this cleared things up alot | 19:36 |
| faenil | if only we had QtQuick Compiler as well :) | 19:37 |
| tortoisedoc | faenil : JIT compiler? :) | 19:37 |
| faenil | nope | 19:37 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm isnt there precompiled qml ? | 19:37 |
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| tortoisedoc | ok, s.k. - algeria ended 2 - 4 | 19:38 |
| tortoisedoc | not bad game :) | 19:38 |
| tortoisedoc | time to go to sleep | 19:38 |
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| special | (compiling doesn't take a huge amount of time, fwiw) | 19:38 |
| faenil | toirtoisedoc, see http://doc.qt.digia.com/QtQuickCompiler/ | 19:38 |
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| faenil | special, well, even if it were only 10%...it would still be quite useful | 19:39 |
| faenil | given the current startup times are quite bad | 19:39 |
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| special | startup times of what? | 19:39 |
| faenil | apps | 19:39 |
| special | what apps? | 19:39 |
| faenil | any app? :) | 19:39 |
| faenil | the ones which are not running in background | 19:40 |
| special | component gallery launches faster than l-j-h's launch animation for me | 19:40 |
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| faenil | it takes more than a sec to show up on avg | 19:41 |
| faenil | ( I don't have gallery installed) | 19:42 |
| special | "it" doesn't tell me anything | 19:42 |
| faenil | it [usually] takes more than a sec [for an app UI] to show up, on avg | 19:43 |
| special | plenty of applications have slow startup, for application-specific reasons | 19:43 |
| faenil | for sure | 19:43 |
| faenil | that will always be the case | 19:43 |
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| special | component gallery is a good baseline of a boosted application using silica without other initialization costs | 19:44 |
| faenil | yeah well I think it's more fair (fairer? XD) to say that comp gallery is, like, the ideal case | 19:45 |
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| special | fun exercise: export QML_COMPILER_STATS=1 in environment to see what QML is compiled | 19:46 |
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| special | it doesn't give you timing numbers, but it'll show you how much (or how little) there is | 19:46 |
| faenil | :) | 19:46 |
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| special | the vast majority of launch time in more complex applications is going to be other things, though. compilation isn't that bad | 19:47 |
| special | it probably takes a chunk of time for something as big as, say, lipstick-jolla-home | 19:48 |
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| special | but l-j-h has worse costs than that ;) | 19:48 |
| faenil | so you'd say it's even less than 10% | 19:49 |
| special | it also changes completely in 5.1 versus 5.2 | 19:50 |
| special | not sure offhand if compilation got faster or slower | 19:50 |
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