Monday, 2014-06-23

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bibichekoHello there. Okay, now is 9:01 in GMT +4, so in Finland is 8:01, but where is new Sailfish OS for Nexus 4?03:47
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Nicd-bibicheko: just go away, it will be released WHEN IT'S READY04:00
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iekkubibicheko, as Nicd- said, it will be released when it's ready. i think we didn't say we release it on Monday?04:41
iekkuand good morning :)04:41
Nicd-iekku: Stskeeps did though04:41
Nicd-but he didn't say it would be released first thing in the morning :P04:41
* iekku gets more coffee and tries to wake up04:42
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Juubaanyone else noticed that the browser takes a while (like many tens of seconds) to start loading the first page when it is opened?05:21
Juubai guess this is "known" already05:21
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Nicd-Juuba: have noticed05:32
Juubais there a ticket about it on together or github?05:32
Juubahaven't seen05:33
JuubaI'll try to write something, let's see05:33
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Juubathere it is now:
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Armadilloare there plans to allow QtOrganizer for qml imports in the future? Would be great to get access to CalDAV Accounts for harbour apps06:16
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chriadamArmadillo: there are several intervening steps required06:18
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chriadam1) there are a bunch of changes happening in QtPIM at the moment (primarily for contacts, but some will affect organizer too) - so they will have to be completed / stabilise before we can commit to supporting QtOrganizer (and that will happen at the same time that the QtProject marks them as Supported / Released)06:19
chriadam2) once the APIs are stable, we can write an mkcal backend for QtOrganizer.  This has already been done in the past, so presumably there's something somewhere which we can update/fix, rather than start from scratch, but it's still a relatively big undertaking (especially if we want it to be performant)06:20
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Armadillosounds like there's much work to do06:23
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Armadilloany guess when this could available?06:23
Armadillojust to organize my own roadmap :)06:24
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Armadillochriadam anyway thanks for the explanation :)06:31
chriadamArmadillo: well, hard to predict timeline at this point, to be honest.06:32
chriadamdeveloping a backend isn't too difficult (although a naive implementation would have poor performance, obviously), but the API issues may take some time to resolve.06:33
chriadamalso, there may be other things we need to do before we open up PIM apis to third party developers (eg, better security model, to allow users to choose which APIs an application is allowed to access, etc)06:33
chriadambut that's getting a bit out of my areas of expertise, so I can't comment there.06:34
Armadillothanks :)06:34
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SK_workwondering ... will the new Silica use Animator instead of Animation in QML ?06:53
SK_worksletta: ^ ?06:54
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slettaSK_work: We want to take it into use for select usecases, yes. Like the busy indicator06:55
SK_worksletta: maybe for page transitions too ?06:55
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slettapossibly yes06:55
SK_workif the main thread got blocked by some IO (eg a config file read), or some procesing when a page is pushed, the animation will be played06:56
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SK_workwithout hickups, and without delay06:56
SK_work(maybe ?)06:56
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slettaif the page is delayed by loading the qml page, then transitioning to a blank page would rather silly :)06:56
SK_worksletta: yeah, true06:57
slettait is on the list of candidates to investigate, afair06:57
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Loris_uuuuuh ive got a mail! *excited*07:00
Stskeeps for the impatient rest07:00
Price15me too :)07:00
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Stskeepssuch as bibicheko07:00
Loris_haha ;)07:00
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bibichekoNot funny :D07:01
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stephgwoo :)07:02
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bibicheko What is it? This is instructions?07:05
Stskeepsyup, it's the thing that people receive at each release, plus release notes, etc07:06
bibichekoAaaargh. I think that you create new image.07:07
Yanieldid you even read the post?07:09
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Loris_If I submitted as a tester for the Androud Launcher, will I get some kind of comfirmation or will I just recieve a mail when it's ready?07:22
Stskeepshmm, i don't know :)07:22
Loris_haha okay...then I'll just wait ;)07:23
* Stskeeps handles sailfishos for android devices, not launcher :)07:23
Loris_yes I know, but maybe there is somebody in this channel which develops the launcher :P07:25
SK_workLoris_: the best (I think) is to post on TJC07:26
SK_workin the specific thread07:26
Sail0rcan anyone explain why cm is needed to get sailfishos running on nexus407:26
SK_workSail0r: (wild guess) drivers ?07:27
Loris_SK_work: okay, I thought this is the channel for everything related to sailfishos/jolla07:27
Sail0rbut why not just integrate the drivers in the sailfish image?07:28
SK_workLoris_: but I think you will find launcher people on TJC more easily07:28
SK_workdon't know if they are here07:28
Loris_okay thank you07:28
Nicd-Sail0r: copyright/licence issues?07:28
SK_workLoris_: usually, there are N4 testing people here, and Sailfish apps devs here07:28
StskeepsSail0r: stable hw adaptation that we know we can build a matching source tree with07:29
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Sail0rthx :)07:31
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jukei need chrpath on the device, can i install it somehow?09:16
Stskeepspkcon install chrpath..?09:16
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jukethansk! i forgot the package manager's name09:17
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mike7b4_on_x230HI, why does SDK overwrite my tranbslation files every rebuild :-/ (it actually resets all my translations to english) :(09:20
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kaltsimike7b4_on_x230: hmm it shouldn't do that.. how can I reproduce it?09:37
kaltsimike7b4_on_x230: or can I reproduce it using the default template app?09:38
mike7b4_on_x230kaltsi, Actually my own fault. I just found out that I edited the XML wrong way. instead of <translation> I changed the <source>09:40
kaltsimike7b4_on_x230: ahh ok :)09:41
jukei'm trying to build qtsystems which depends on testlib. i assume that it refers to QtTestLib. any ideas what the package is called?09:42
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jukeah, just found it09:43
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kimmolicoderus: nothing to do? Time to do small app for me?09:51
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SmarteXHi! Does someone know if video playback is supported in this release?09:53
crazy_impSmarteX: define playback09:54
crazy_impi can watch the videos i've recorded09:54
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SmarteXcrazy_imp: I forgot to add that I'm on the Nexus 409:55
crazy_impah, i'm talking about my jolla :D09:55
stephgSmarteX: some video playback is working yeah09:55
stephg(youtube does iirc)09:55
SmarteXstephg: What about the camera?09:56
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stephgcamera not yet no:
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Price15I installed some video codecs from the openrepos links but they dont seem to work properly10:10
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SmarteXstephg: Do you know anything about the Android Compatibility Layer (Or however is it called)?10:10
stephgAlien Dalvik it's called10:10
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SmarteXAh okay :310:11
SmarteXSo do you know anything about Alien Dalvik on mako (support)?10:12
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stephgit's not coming in the short term because of licensing and hardware problems, and the latter maybe can never be fixed (but I don't know)10:16
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nh1402but can't you use the standard android runtime, it is an actual android phone after all. *I think* the android runtime is found in the kernel, so couldn't you use it from there10:21
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SK_worknh1402: it can be a good idea indeed10:22
SK_workmissing some bridges between SFOS and Android10:22
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SK_workbut how to display Android "windows" inside Wayland etc ?10:22
frullewulleandroid runtime is not in the kernel10:22
SK_workand I don't know if the Android runtime is shipped with N4 images10:23
nh1402alright then, wasn't sure where the runtime is found, guess its back to the drawing board10:23
stephgthe runtime is an app you install from the store10:24
SK_workstephg: in N4, it can be interesting to use cyanogen10:24
SK_work(the "android runtime" is already here, and if not it can be available)10:25
SK_workthe problem is the bridging: how to make the windows appear on compositor, etc.10:25
tbrnh1402, SK_work - as said multiple times, the open source community should consider rolling their own, AOSP based aliendalvik replacement10:25
SK_worktbr: indeed10:25
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tbrif you e.g. ditch 3d support in the beginning it could be fairly easy10:26
SK_worktbr: fairly ?10:26
nh1402fair enough, I'm up for helping with that, where i can10:26
SK_workdon't know Android enough so ...10:26
tbrSK_work: have it render to a framebuffer and render that as a surface/window10:26
SK_workhum true ...10:26
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tbrI'm sure gfx performance would suck, etc. but then some enterprising people might find a better way with more performance10:28
tbras we know it is possible10:28
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jukei'm trying to compile a library using different headers that comes from the sailfish os ide repository. where do i need to put the new headers? in the mersdk virtualbox?10:54
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jukes/that/than what/10:55
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kaltsijuke: different how?10:59
kaltsia new package?11:00
SmarteXI can't install the EA3... It gets stuck at running installation script...11:00
kaltsijuke, or a different version of some package that's in the repos?11:00
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jukethe package available in sailfishos repo has older headers than i would like to use11:01
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stephgSmarteX: how far into the script does it get?11:01
kaltsijuke: uhh.. so you want to upgrade some library that's in the sailfish repos?11:02
SmarteXstephg: It locks right after "Running Installation Script..." The progress bar stops moving11:02
jukekaltsi, i'd like to use the latest stable qtsysteminfo from the projects repository. it is anyway disabled in harbour so i have to provide it myself.11:03
kaltsijuke: if you know what you're doing and acknowledge that it won't work for anyone but you (providing you also install the newer lib to the device) then you can do it like this:11:03
kaltsijuke: ssh to mersdk as user mersdk11:03
kaltsijuke: sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R zypper install your-package.rpm your-package-devel.rpm11:03
stephgSmarteX: how long did you give it, it does take a while11:04
jukekaltsi, thank you!11:04
SmarteXOkay it works right now.. xD11:04
stephgcool :)11:04
SmarteXIt was just me being impatient (As always :3)11:04
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jukekaltsi, and won't it work if i ship my app with the library?11:04
kaltsijuke: if you make sure that your app links to the library that you ship in your rpm.. then it may work :)11:05
jukeok, nice11:05
kaltsijuke: check it with ldd or <your preferred method> once the package is on the device11:05
jukei did that before but set the RPATH incorrectly, i just got mail from the harbour qa team about it11:05
kaltsiahh is it the NetRadar?11:06
kaltsiit crashes on my device possibly because of that problem11:06
jukeso if you know the case i'm referring to, i used different headers to compile the app than to compile the library11:06
jukethat's why it crashes11:07
kaltsiok yeah the problem looked like that11:07
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SmarteXAnyone knows if there's a Japanese Input Method available for Sailfish?11:13
stephgSmarteX: there may be on on openrepos11:17
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matrixxhmm, which kind of icon is "Tuska 2014" app (third newest one) showing you in the store right now?11:19
SmarteXI can't enable untrusted software installation :/11:19
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Sceltmatrixx: green one about psykoanalyysi11:19
stephgSmarteX: why not, it doesn't let you in settings?11:19
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matrixxfor some reason it shows the default icon on my device, and so does "Bad Voltage" even though I saw it also have a nice real icon a few days ago11:20
SmarteXIf I tap into it, It takes me to the agreement and if I agree it's still unticked11:20
stephgSmarteX: oh yes, that doesn't work for me too11:20
stephg(but may be working underneath)11:20
matrixxScelt: does it show it also in the front page of the store?11:20
Sceltmatrixx: ye11:20
Stskeepscould one of you mail me about that problem?11:20
matrixxok, so it's only on my device11:20
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matrixxmaybe the store has some icon caching problems11:21
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slatePromo code: Jolla <3 PayPal11:21
SmarteXstephg: No, it doesn't work :C11:21
slatewrong channel, but anyway11:21
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SmarteXWhat's the root passwd?11:27
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Stskeepsgo to developer mode, set it there11:28
Stskeepsand devel-su in terminal11:28
Stskeepsuse it there11:28
jukekaltsi, what the project does not provide a spec/yaml file for rpm creation?11:29
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kaltsimaybe a word or two missing from the question?11:30
jukei'm unable to create an rpm from the library project. can i put the the headers to the buildbox some other way?11:30
jukeand the question above needs an "if"11:31
kaltsisb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R11:31
kaltsiand then just cp the files in place11:31
SmarteXThanks Stskeeps11:31
jukekaltsi, thanks!11:31
kaltsibut I hope you know where they need to go :)11:31
jukei think so...11:31
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jukefound it, thank you!11:32
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kaltsithat sb2 -t .... means 'start an sb2 session in sdk-install mode as root user' which is almost equivalent to entering a build chroot as root11:32
jukei see11:32
kaltsisdk-install mode = sb2 allows you to write to "system dirs" like /usr/include in that session11:33
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kaltsiand I assume you're building for arm.. if you want to try it in the emulator just use the SailfishOS-i486 target instead of the armv7hl11:33
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jukeok, thank you.11:34
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camerisIn QML, can you have a Dialog inside a Dialog? Both have a function bound when accepted. When I open the nested one I always get: TypeError: "Cannot call method 'connect' of undefined"12:57
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SK_workcameris: show code13:00
SK_workyou can have paged dialogs13:00
SK_workcameris: what are you trying to do ?13:00
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jukewhat was to command for installing rpm:s from commandline in the device?13:10
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specialjuke: pkcon install-local13:11
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camerisSK_WORK: Item { onClicked: { var dialog = PageStack ...; dialog.accepted.connect( function () ... )}}; Dialog.qml: Dialog { Item { onClicked: { var nestedDialog = PageStack...; nestedDialog.accpeted.conncect( ....)}}}; when clicking to open the second dialog i get the above errormessage.13:11
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SK_workcameris: please use pastebin13:12
camerisoh, ok.13:12
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SK_workever tried to console.debug(nestedDialog) ?13:14
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camerisStill no clue why it won't accpet the connect for the 2nd dialog.13:37
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coderuskimmoli: what kind of app?13:51
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kimmoli_sailing_cameris: see my tjc post of similar issue, parent lost.13:54
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camerisI'm so stupid: dialog.accpeted.connect instead of dialog.accepted.connect. think I should take a break, can't see those typos anymore :-P13:55
coderusaccpet :D13:56
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coderusspecial: ping14:16
coderusspecial: can anyone update telepathy-haze tp 0.99 ?14:17
specialcoderus: why?14:17
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specialcoderus: the answer is yes, but no. 0.99 is the unreleased next branch for Telepathy 1.0, which is a massive API break across the whole system14:19
coderusspecial: thanks, i just saw new sources in tree :D14:19
specialit will take quite awhile for us to be able to move to 1.0, even after it's released.14:19
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coderusadded icq but it didn't show after creation in services list14:33
coderusany ideas?14:33
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coderusi just edited jabber service files for test14:39
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coderusspecial: who can i ping about it?14:53
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specialcoderus: "services list"?15:20
tortoisedochow long does qa usually take? 48 hours sounds like a too good to be true estimate :P15:21
kimmoli_sailingabout that during weekdays15:22
coderusspecial: IM services15:26
coderusin notifications page15:27
coderusin pulley menu15:27
specialmc-tool list and mc-tool show15:27
coderuswhere i choose online statuses15:27
specialit won't show up in presence until it has connected for the first time15:27
special(long story.)15:27
coderushm, right :D15:27
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specialso mc-tool show to see what the current status is15:28
coderusmaybe some params invalid then15:28
specialif it's requested: offline, you didn't tell it to connect15:28
tortoisedocspeaking of notification screen15:29
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coderusRestrictions: Cannot_Set_Service15:31
coderusseems it shouldn't be there :D15:31
specialthat isn't relevant15:32
specialdebugging is.. a little tricky15:33
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specialcoderus: the easiest way to debug is to run a few things in their debug modes and see what they're doing15:37
coderusspecial: in harmattan i did following:
specialI'd suggest: killall telepathy-sasl-signon; G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all SASL_SIGNON_PERSIST=1 /usr/libexec/telepathy-sasl-signon15:38
specialah, nevermind15:39
specialthis is haze15:39
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specialignore that15:39
coderusits not sasl-signon aparently :D15:39
specialkillall mission-control-5; G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all MC_DEBUG=all /usr/libexec/mission-control-515:39
specialyou could also try a similar line for haze itself.15:40
specialthere are a few debug strings you can access via dbus but.. not really worth it15:40
coderusreceived incorrect password :D15:42
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* coderus sucks :D15:44
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* coderus forgot icq password :D15:44
coderusspecial: ok, i connected:
tortoisedocicq? I thought that went offline a long time ago?15:45
coderustortoisedoc: icq is neverdie15:46
lbticq?   flowers!!!!15:46
tortoisedoccoderus :P15:46
coderusit was bought by Mail.RU Group15:46
coderusand it will be maintained lifetime15:46
coderusthey promised :)15:46
tortoisedocare you making a client for sailfishos? ;)15:46
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coderusno, i making account services15:47
coderusfor libpurple15:47
coderuscan connect to icq now15:47
coderusthanks special and sorry stupid me :D15:47
coderustortoisedoc: libpurple15:47
coderustelepathy-haze using libpurple :)15:48
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specialcoderus: neat15:51
coderusCvP_: now i need your icons :)15:51
CvP_coderusi finish my work i drive home and make the icons15:53
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cvp_coderus: do you have all clients incl. ? like pidgin ?16:28
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kimmolicoderus: i will try do it myself first, just select photo, dither with nice algo to mono (2-color), scale to 264x176 (in some order which produces best result) and output in xbm - or binary chunk16:38
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kimmoliäh, why nomobdy told me that imagemagik cant make xbm files with filename starting with number...16:41
tbrthat sounds stupid16:42
kimmoliit uses filename as the define.. e.g. filename 2.xbm contains, "#define 2_width 264"16:43
kimmoliimagemagik can make it but atleast irfanview is not capable of opening such16:45
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cvp_coderus: here, if something is missing than let me know :)
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cvp_coderus: if you wish, i can delete the white backgrounds if you mean it look better ;) ... i see that icq has green background, maybe i edit it to white17:10
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tortoisedocam i wrong or is there no gesture control on sailfish silica?18:11
tortoisedoc(for gestures like swipe i mean)18:11
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tortoisedochow do gestures work in silica?18:21
tortoisedocor better18:21
tortoisedochow are gestures handled in silica?18:21
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tortoisedoccoderus : ping18:23
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piggztortoisedoc: swipes are guite easy to implement18:28
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piggztortoisedoc: stick this is a file called SwipeArea.qml
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tortoisedocpiggz: is this from silica?18:31
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piggztortoisedoc: no, just plain qml18:31
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mirkolonekimmoli: good game!! but can you make it full-screen? I'm using it on mako18:34
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tortoisedocpiggz : thanks18:38
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tortoisedocinteresting error I get19:27
tortoisedoc"This plugin does not support setting window masks"19:27
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coderustortoisedoc: late pong :)19:51
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cvp_coderus: you see the download link ?19:59
coderuscvp_: yes i see everything20:00
coderusi'll check it tomorrow20:00
cvp_ok ;)20:00
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smokuhow do I get a list of connected bluetooth devices on sailfish from Qt C++?23:54

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