Tuesday, 2014-07-29

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coderusinstalling apps from play dtore fails with error "not enough free space" :D06:20
stephg*cough* btrfs *cough* ;)06:20
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kimmoliget well soon,. stephg06:47
tbrcame down with a nasty systemd infection? *snerk*06:48
stephgwell at least I'm not running a temperature ;)06:48
kimmoliitch around usb?06:49
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kimmolisorry, i thought this was #doctor-appointment06:51
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alinI was playing with the email ap06:59
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alinand I noticed that once a message open i cannot go back to the previous screen by slide on screen07:00
alini need to push the shiny buttons on top07:00
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tbrthat only applies if the mail is zoomed, for me07:02
alinlbt: I see.. let me try07:05
kimmolii sometimes need to tap once somewhere in email (Ieven zoomed out) before can swipe back. pagestack-dots are not visible if zoomed.07:07
alinlbt: yap... you are right07:07
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alinkimmoli: yap... indeed... if one zooms out enough slide is back07:08
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kimmolihappens with html mails, if i scroll down, i cant swipe back to list. i have to tap once before swipe works07:09
stephgright then guys07:09
alinkimmoli: yap..07:09
stephgI'm off on holiday, have a good few weeks porting and otherwise messing around with our fun devices07:09
alinstephg: enjoy07:10
alinreboot time07:10
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jardousHello guys. Long time ago I've created a game for Meego. Anybody here who is interested to port it to Jolla? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJwLwjs9zOQ07:14
kimmolijardous: why not port yourself ?07:21
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jardouskimmoli: I've tried, but currently have no time. I've got stuck already on changing the screen size...07:23
walokrasmoku: is the flappy github-repo private or just vanished? (doing blog post about sailfishos apps)07:26
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manqeloquejardous, i can maybe look into it at some point. where's the source?07:29
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jardousmanqelogue: I'll add it soon to github07:29
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jardousmanqeloqu: https://github.com/jardous/trapthemouse07:53
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manqeloquei'll try to find time to look into that in few days07:55
jardousmanqeloque: sorry for misspelling your name :)07:55
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kimmolijardous: i might fork it too, lets see what is left from the original code :p07:58
jardouskimmoli: feel free guys! Happy hacking ;)07:58
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alini try to build one example from the sdk... qt creator is adamant to :-1: error: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Connection refused08:10
alinthe bloody think is running in vbox08:11
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kimmolijardous: https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=2d417706-227b-8126-49fc-877de9f3e02308:28
kimmolijardous: https://github.com/kimmoli/trapthemouse-sailfish08:28
kimmolijardous: first hack08:28
jardouskimmoli: thats Qt Quick! :)08:31
coderusstephg: but btrfs filesystem df / says i have free space :)08:31
coderusalin: youshould staart vm :)08:32
alincoderus: of course I start it...08:33
alinif I start the virtual box it says it runs08:33
coderusthen stop it aand restart qtc08:34
* coderus typing in irssi on remote server using putty aand my connection have long atency...08:35
alincoderus: stupid me... I had to push build one more time08:35
* coderus should use mosh probably....08:36
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coderusalin: build backend inside vm is slow to staart...08:37
kimmolii keep it "always" running08:37
coderuskimmoli: i'm  just using it inside chroot and vanished vm :)08:38
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alincoderus: first failed... time always failed08:39
alincoderus: and got scared... did not push build again08:40
kimmolistart the sdk first from the lowest button, wait until it is red, then hit build/deploy08:40
dr_gogeta86good morning08:41
dr_gogeta86coderus, switch to mosh asap ... and use ssh just for tunnelling08:41
coderusi have no ports for mosh on server08:43
coderuslazy to configure :)08:43
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kimmolijardous: ahhaha https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=9743c3cb-e9c7-27d1-01d3-91680ca24f0e i won08:50
jardouskimmoli: :)08:51
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manqeloquedoes fingerterm already work with mosh?08:54
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manqeloqueit has had some utf8 bugs for a long time09:01
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coderusused fingerterm with mosh on n9 in past09:07
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tadzikSK_work: ping10:08
SK_worktadzik: png10:09
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SK_workjpg etc.10:09
tadzikSK_work: I just updated the Musicplayer buttons patch, and the patchmanager did the same thing as before, with "patch not there anymore, bla bla"10:10
tadzikSK_work: last time it happened I thought that the patch itself did something weird over the update, but now it seems like every patch update breaks things up10:10
SK_worktadzik: nope, I think it's because of the old patch thing10:11
SK_workI really need to find time to fix this :10:11
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Wnthow can I add the chum repo to my device? ( http://repo.merproject.org/obs/sailfishos:/chum:/ )10:13
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tadzikSK_work: it seems I'll need a new workaround this time :/ I now get "failed to remove patch" when I try to unapply it10:16
tadzikpresumably because it tries to unapply the new one10:16
Wntwell at least this method seems to work for adding chum: "ssu ar chum http://repo.merproject.org/obs/sailfishos:/chum:/ ; pkcon refresh"10:19
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camerisQuestion about qt: I got a Class A with a member QList<B *> and a function getList() const that returns this list. Now Class C calls A::getList() on an instance of A to get the List. C wants to have a copy of the List, so that it can, for example, be sorted without changing the order in A. What does A::getList() have to return? If it returns QList<B *>  is that a case of the implicit sharing, where I can write to the retur11:15
specialyou were cut off at "where can I write to the retur"11:16
cameris... where I can write to the returned list without modifiying A's list?11:17
specialbut, the answer is to look at basic C++: if you make a copy of the object, that copy can be modified without changing the original11:17
specialso if you return by value `QList<B*> getList()` you get a copy11:17
camerisYeah, but I don't get the implicit sharing11:17
specialif you return a const reference `const QList<B*> &getList()` you can't modify it without getting a copy11:17
specialif you returned a pointer `QList<B*> *getList()` or a reference `QList<B*> &getList()`, modifying that would change the original11:18
camerisQList<B *> * I can't use for the reason you said. That I know.11:19
specialthe implicit sharing is almost invisible; you can treat it like each QList<B*> object is completely separate and will not effect any other11:19
camerisbut only when I try to modify it, it is copied?11:20
specialimplicit sharing just means that unless you modify that new object, you don't pay the price of copying the list's data11:20
specialdoes that help at all?11:20
cameristhat sounds pretty awesome, so I just have to const QList<B *> & getList() to get this?11:21
specialanother way to look at it: imagine you're returning and modifying an `int` instead of `QList<B*>`11:21
specialthey will behave the same11:21
specialyou always get it. `QList<B*> getList()` is probably the right choice for you11:21
cameriswow, thx special.11:22
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smoku_it's worth noting that QString has similar magic underneath, so copying and returning QStrings by value is also very cheap11:46
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coderusissue "not enough free space" in Play Store was because of not removed odex. Deleted it manually and can install app again :)12:44
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merlin1991tbr has there been any progress on the chum front? I heaven't had the chance to follow meetings or read logs or otherwise indulge myself ...14:42
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tbrmerlin1991: aside from, all hands on deck and help? not much14:43
tbrmerlin1991: if you try something from chum testing tell me and I'll promote it to chum proper for the current version14:43
merlin1991tbb I'll try python requests, since it is my baby :)14:45
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merlin1991tbr: so we don't really have a ruleset yet, or anything regarding integration into the jolla release and so on?14:54
tbrmerlin1991: correct14:54
merlin1991so still same as before the very first community meeting :/14:55
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tbrmerlin1991: there is an etherpad and supposedly jolla is getting ready to integrate chum, but for that we need some things like a client15:06
merlin1991got a link to the pad?15:07
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tbrmerlin1991: I dug through most minutes and logs but can't seem to find it. will look further15:16
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lukedirtwalkerjusa_: are you the audio master (as you mailed about new policy)? Is it possible that QAudioOutput is louder per default than other output sources?15:37
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tbrmerlin1991: http://piratepad.net/iVW0lrOKXF15:40
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merlin1991thanks tbr15:44
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jusa_lukedirtwalker: in itself, shouldn't be..16:19
lukedirtwalkerjusa_: because it seems cutespotify plays a bit louder than other apps16:22
lukedirtwalkerand I only use QAudioOutput without manipulation of volume16:22
jusa_lukedirtwalker: the audio data might be more "loud" in different ways16:23
lukedirtwalkeris there an easy way to "scale" that down?16:24
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lukedirtwalkersay I always want my volume 10% lower than system-volume16:25
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jusa_you'd need to calculate new volume for the audio data before passing to QAudioOutput16:33
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lukedirtwalkerjusa_: ok thanks, I think I'll leave it for now.16:42
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systemclientA friend of mine has a Jolla Phone. Is there a way yet to install that OS on an Android device that I already own (Nexus 10)?16:43
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tbrsystemclient: there is a Hardware Adaptation Developer Kit if you are not afraid of the involved work16:47
tbrpeople are in #sailfishos-porters16:47
systemclienttbr: I think I do not have the technical skills, I just know C++ and Linux. I have not worked with Qt really ...16:48
tbrsystemclient: this is more kernel level and close to it16:49
systemclienttbr: you mean like in Linux kernel? I think I have even less experience there. I just program with Python and C++ to create end-user applications16:49
tbrthen the answer for you is: no you can't16:51
tbralso sailfish is not intended for such big devices (yet)16:51
tbrso it would likely feel a bit awkward16:51
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tortoisedocahoi sailors!16:59
tortoisedoci tried recently to enable core dumps on sailfishos16:59
tortoisedocfollowing this : http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-core-dumps.html17:00
tortoisedocbut no luck :|17:00
tortoisedoc(i.e. no core dump is generated)17:00
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tortoisedochas anyone ever had issues in generating core dumps on sailfish os?17:07
tbrthere is a crash reporter somewhere. it automates all that.17:08
tortoisedoctbr : where can I find more info?17:09
tbrno idea17:09
tortoisedocyou mean there is a crash reporter in sailfish os17:10
tortoisedocah in mer17:10
tortoisedocdevel ;_;17:11
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lukedirtwalkerMorpog_PC: ping17:25
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lukedirtwalkercan you test the version I posted on TMO?17:25
BasilSemuonovtortoisedoc, make sure you allowed for any user. (or do that as root). http://pastebin.com/sn0ZZbJY17:27
Morpog_PCargh, need to delete local files again, crashes on startup...17:29
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lukedirtwalkerhehe that isn't fixed in that version :P17:32
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Morpog_PClukedirtwalker, it's better, but still louder17:34
Morpog_PCor wait17:37
Morpog_PClukedirtwalker, trying with other files from good source17:37
Morpog_PCit seems to be same volume17:38
Morpog_PCmaybe a tiny bit louder still17:38
Morpog_PCgood job!17:38
lukedirtwalkerGreat :), its a simple call to libspotify. Other changes would be harder.17:39
Morpog_PCwould be good to have that as default, as it could kill peoples ears when changing from normal media player to cutespotify17:41
Morpog_PCespecially with ear plugs17:41
lainwir3dtrue :)17:41
lainwir3dMorpog_PC: you are the developer of cutespotify ?17:42
lukedirtwalkerwill do17:42
Morpog_PCno, lukedirtwalker is17:42
lainwir3dyeah, sorry, I meant lukedirtwalker.17:42
lukedirtwalkerwell I'm currently working on it yes17:42
lainwir3dlukedirtwalker: any chance of support MPRIS dbus interface in cutespotify ?17:42
Morpog_PChe has taken over as elleo is too busy17:43
lukedirtwalkerlainwir3d: chance yes but, not to soon. And help me by telling me how to test17:43
lainwir3dhmmm. My futur app will permit to test it I guess.17:44
lukedirtwalkergreat so let me know when you have it17:45
lukedirtwalkeror do pull requests directly ;)17:45
Morpog_PCif I would have more free time, I would try to help a bit with design, but my qml skills are limited and my time even more :D17:46
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lukedirtwalkercurrently backend is more challenging, qml is just time consuming, but quite easy17:49
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lainwir3dlukedirtwalker: oh, the source is available ? Where ?17:54
lainwir3dI might do it then when I need it.17:55
lainwir3dCurrently only QuasarMX supports MPRIS (with buffy utf-8 on asian characters)17:55
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lukedirtwalkerlainwir3d: yeah on github see Morpog_PC s link. But note that it is quite WIP atm, on different branches, but I'll happily integrate your changes, or feel free to do your own fork ;)18:00
lainwir3dall right ;)18:01
lainwir3dhave to go18:01
lainwir3dsee you tomorrow18:01
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smokuwalokra: moved to bitbucket18:14
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walokrasmoku: ok, link?18:16
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smokuwalokra: are you aware that flappy was removed from Jolla Store today?18:19
walokrasmoku: no, just installed it today18:19
smokuwalokra: (it may affect your post ;-) )18:20
smokulucky you ;-)18:20
walokrathanks for the info18:20
walokrawhat was the reason?18:20
smokuwalokra: i.e. Jolla staff removed it - not me...18:20
walokrathey didn't tell why?18:20
smokuwalokra: they are not sure its legal status, thus want to be safe than sorry18:21
Morpog_PC__phew, good that I updated it already, it's alot better than the old version18:21
Morpog_PC__or did I update via openrepos, hmmmm18:22
smokuit's on OpenRepos18:22
Morpog_PC__aaah, there I did it18:22
smokuthere are some cool new features baked in and all known bugs fixed18:22
walokrasmoku: ok, that what I also thought18:22
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smokuany advice how to proceed?  should I rename it?18:26
Morpog_PC__well, I guess rename it, chane icon, change all graphics18:27
walokraor maybe the graphics are too much like super mario18:27
Morpog_PC__and change all sounds18:27
smokuthat's the point - if you want it with changed name, graphics, sound - just install Saily Fish from the store...18:28
smokuit would loose all its appeal18:28
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Morpog_PC__naaah, gameplay would still be the same18:31
Morpog_PC__sailfishy plays totally different18:32
smokulukedirtwalker: my pebbled works as MPRIS remote... but you need Pebble for that... ;-)18:32
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Morpog_PC__why the hell have I opened two instancex of hexchat :D18:32
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rkzhey guys, anyone got any good examples on how to read information from the tracker database?18:42
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lukedirtwalkersmoku: i know but I don't own a Pebble18:52
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smokulukedirtwalker: anyway. qdbus and/or dbus-send are enough tools to test MPRIS interface. it's extremely simple18:55
kimmoliMorpog_PC__: aa, that... i just searched from wrong place19:00
Morpog_PC__yep that, seems to use localstorage19:00
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kimmolihmm, doable19:01
Morpog_PC__you would migrate me as a user to your app that way :D19:01
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lukedirtwalkerHm I think I just found a cover page bug: If I directly implement it like: cover: CoverBackground { ... Label{} } the label text is bold and if I do cover: Qt.resolvedUrl("Cover.qml") it works as expected19:37
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space_llamalukedirtwalker, can confirm. I eperience the same.19:46
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lukedirtwalkershould I post on TJC ?19:47
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space_llamaI guess so. I only tried it in the sdk though. Did you try on a unit?19:49
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lukedirtwalkerIssue actually is in cutespotify19:51
space_llamaah, okay19:52
crlfhi - I am writing my first sailfish app - trying to hande settings via qsettings but don't know how to implement it in QML - could you please help?19:52
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lukedirtwalkerspace_llama: feel free to improve: https://together.jolla.com/question/52277/bug-cover-page-label-bug/20:02
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space_llamaI have no idea of the cause, so I don't really have much to add. I just tried it and noticed the same effect.20:11
space_llamaI was actually looking at cutespotify so that was the one I tested... So nothing to add20:12
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lukedirtwalkerspace_llama: pm20:26
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gogetahi SfietKonstantin20:33
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smokucrlf: leave qsettings alone.  use dconf - it is much easier.20:49
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smokucrlf: see https://github.com/smokku/pebble/blob/master/app/qml/pages/ManagerPage.qml#L4020:50
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mrwizrdgood evening all21:48
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