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| Umeaboy | Is it possible to use a rootfs.tar.bz2 to start porting if the one in the guide is to old? | 00:31 |
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| Umeaboy | The guide I'm following tells me to download the one for Ubuntu [Quantal] and I use either Trusty Tahr or Mageia 4 at the moment. | 00:33 |
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| ilpianista | o/ new jolla user here :-) | 07:03 |
| stephg | welcome ilpianista | 07:04 |
| ilpianista | thanks! I read I cannot see which apps ara available without the phone (which is shipping), it's true? | 07:04 |
| Bysmyyr_ | ilpianista: partially yes | 07:05 |
| Bysmyyr_ | you can see some openrepos.net | 07:05 |
| * ilpianista open that | 07:05 | |
| stephg | (and if you use an android store that has a web presence) | 07:06 |
| stephg | but on the jolla store, at the moment, no | 07:06 |
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| ilpianista | got it | 07:07 |
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| ilpianista | damn...I can't wait to get it!! I was also an happy N900 user :'-) | 07:09 |
| ilpianista | this reminds me of that times...but I can develop apps with Qt now ;-) | 07:10 |
| stephg | hehe cool | 07:10 |
| stephg | ilpianista: well if you haven't done so already, download the sdk | 07:10 |
| ilpianista | stephg: done already | 07:10 |
| stephg | get familiar with how that works and compile and install some of the F/OSS apps there | 07:10 |
| ilpianista | in truth, I don't like I've to use VirtualBox to run it...but I guess there's no option out there | 07:11 |
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| ilpianista | could anyone point me to a Maemo Talk administrator? Tried to PM Reggie, but his Inbox is full :-) | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | kind of off topic here, but maybe chem|st can help you | 08:04 |
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| ilpianista | Stskeeps: thanks, and sorry for OT then | 08:05 |
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| uvatbc | Any telepathy gurus here? | 08:15 |
| uvatbc | Alternatively, is there an API to retrieve the mobile phone number? | 08:16 |
| SK_work | uvatbc: just a guess | 08:17 |
| SK_work | study the ofono dbus api ? | 08:17 |
| pp__ | hopefully not, apparently these days you can get it with at commands tho :( | 08:18 |
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| pp_ | (it was originally designed in a way that the phone just didn't know nor had to know the phone nubmer :-) ) | 08:19 |
| uvatbc | I've bashed my head against the Telepathy docs and I've come to the conclusion that either the Tp folks never considered that users would want to know the self.phone_number or they actively wanted to discourage the user from knowing it | 08:21 |
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| SK_work | ah | 08:23 |
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| SK_work | know self phone phone number ? | 08:23 |
| SK_work | don't think this is possible | 08:23 |
| uvatbc | SK_work: argh! any idea why? | 08:24 |
| pp_ | avoid crappy apps from helping people spam you :-) | 08:25 |
| pp_ | (well, design was made way before apps :-) ) | 08:25 |
| uvatbc | :( | 08:25 |
| uvatbc | so... I'm left with asking the user for the self.number and hope that I don't get PEBKAC errors. | 08:29 |
| uvatbc | ok, I'll have to think of a way to make this less ugly. | 08:31 |
| uvatbc | thanks everyone | 08:31 |
| pp_ | not saying it's not possible with ofono | 08:31 |
| pp_ | (I think they added it at some point to the relevant specs, not sure if it gets exported) | 08:31 |
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| tbr | uvatbc: there is no consistent API on the SIM/operator level even, or at least it's not consistently implemented, if at all. | 08:35 |
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| tbr | the probably most reliable way is to send a SMS message | 08:36 |
| uvatbc | tbr: but that would incur a cost to the user. I'd rather add the ugly question "Whats your phone number" in my app than require an SMS... | 08:38 |
| tbr | as even an outbound call can not be guaranteed to carry the number, you might override suppression through USSID but even then the network might decide to suppress it. | 08:38 |
| tbr | uvatbc: yes, and most certainly not harbour-OK | 08:38 |
| uvatbc | oh well. at least I know for sure now. | 08:41 |
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| tbr | just to illustrate the operator inconsistency a random link: http://urtechfriend-srikanthszone.blogspot.se/p/know-your-mobile-phone-number-with.html | 08:43 |
| uvatbc | btw, is the ofono documentation == ofono source? https://ofono.org/documentation is quite barebones | 08:43 |
| pp_ | do try /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus --literal --system org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.SimManager.GetProperties | 08:43 |
| pp_ | (need qdbus etc.) | 08:43 |
| pp_ | "SubscriberNumbers" = [Variant(QStringList): {}] | 08:44 |
| pp_ | would have it, if it had it | 08:44 |
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| uvatbc | pp_: thanks I'll try that tomorrow on mako | 08:45 |
| uvatbc | but since there's no guarantee that it will work, I might as well prepare for the worst case (which might actually be normal case) | 08:46 |
| pp_ | it probably is, maybe some (i/g?)devices ask it and store it there on the sim | 08:47 |
| uvatbc | yup thats what Google seems to say as well. | 08:47 |
| pp_ | (but this is just a mental recollection about a rant about the facility even existing these days) | 08:47 |
| uvatbc | "there is space on the SIM to store it, but that doesn't mean the operator will actually store it" | 08:48 |
| uvatbc | k I need to sleep on this. thanks all. gnite | 08:49 |
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| King_DuckZ | I'm waiting to get time to switch distro (qtcreator from the sdk crashes on sabayon), but I'm wondering how hard it will be to port cloonel jump | 11:17 |
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| Nokius1 | tbr: as I heard there is a little bit of hope for u if u cab ssh to your jolla just saw it on Twitter if not only way is service :-/ | 14:38 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 14:38 |
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| King_DuckZ | go r0kk3rz go go go!!!! | 14:58 |
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| tadzik | :P | 14:59 |
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| tbr | Nokius1: something along those lines. | 15:20 |
| tbr | Nokius1: it _might_ be possible to ask sailors here for help, maybe they know other ways to recover if you still remember the code | 15:20 |
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| Nokius1 | tbr: I tryed what will happen if i tip in the pw wrong … and yeap I heard there is a ssh way if this fails —> service | 15:21 |
| Nokius1 | tbr: but not sure if there is a other way recover mode will not help as sledges told me | 15:22 |
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| tbr | Nokius1: tbh, I still think that there should be some sort of warning and step that needs clear human interaction to prevent accidental locking | 15:30 |
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| Nokius1 | tbr its warns u! | 15:31 |
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| tbr | Nokius1: well it might warn me, but somehow my device managed to lock itself out yesterday without me noticing it. that's my point and it stands. | 15:32 |
| Nokius1 | but may not so that u will not try it ^^may a "message" on top will be "better" but may this will give trolls more "power" | 15:32 |
| Nokius1 | I learnd it and set the counter to a higher number ^^ | 15:32 |
| Nokius1 | tbr sounds strange to me … magic legs :) | 15:32 |
| Nokius1 | or may some one trolls u? | 15:33 |
| tbr | Nokius1: "The argument I made remains valid" "my point stands" | 15:36 |
| tbr | Nokius1: and trolling has nothing to do with it | 15:36 |
| Nokius1 | tbr yeah its more some hates u ... | 15:37 |
| Nokius1 | tbr hope some one can help u :) | 15:37 |
| tbr | Nokius1: I am sorry, but I do not understand what you are trying to tell me. | 15:38 |
| tbr | also I don't need help anymore as my problem is solved since yesterday. | 15:38 |
| Nokius1 | tbr: I mean may some on tiped 10 times the wrong code when u left the office or <other location where your phone was around> | 15:39 |
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| Nokius1 | tbr a okay sorry forget my words | 15:39 |
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| Nokius1 | tbr sorry did saw that its fixed :) | 15:40 |
| tbr | Nokius1: nothing will prevent a determined malicious party with physical access to wreak havoc. That's one of the core rules of computing. | 15:40 |
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| Nokius1 | ^^ | 15:40 |
| tbr | if not the lock code then there are other ways to screw you over | 15:40 |
| tbr | take out the sim, put it in another device, enter pin wrong 3 times. presto | 15:41 |
| tbr | physical access is game over if someone really wants to | 15:41 |
| Nokius1 | but this is level 100 of bulling someone ... | 15:44 |
| tbr | yes, as is entering the lock code 10 times | 15:46 |
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| FloR707 | Hi | 19:19 |
| FloR707 | Can anyone explain how coderus "https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/dbd2c8709f138d2232f4c2e61962618ec61582a7/client/src/mitakuuluu.cpp#L204" works? | 19:20 |
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| coderus | coderus can :D | 19:21 |
| kimmoli | :D | 19:21 |
| Shinryuu | ;D | 19:21 |
| FloR707 | I guess so but he is not online. | 19:22 |
| FloR707 | He is a guy, isn't he? | 19:22 |
| Shinryuu | yeah we all love him | 19:22 |
| coderus | FloR707: it executes command "/bin/rpm -qa --queryformat %{version}-%{release} packagename" and returning it's output or wait for output to be ready | 19:22 |
| coderus | i'm here just a bit busy with upgrading to unicorn. some unexpected faults happening during procedure :D | 19:23 |
| FloR707 | I saw that part. What I do not get is how the QML gets its hands on it. | 19:24 |
| kimmoli | https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/dbd2c8709f138d2232f4c2e61962618ec61582a7/client/src/mitakuuluu.h#L73 | 19:26 |
| coderus | FloR707: this class is exported to qml using: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/dbd2c8709f138d2232f4c2e61962618ec61582a7/client/src/main.cpp#L227 | 19:26 |
| coderus | you can use setContextProperty instead | 19:27 |
| FloR707 | You know that I have nearly no clue about programming =) | 19:27 |
| coderus | FloR707: you should, or what are you doing here then? | 19:28 |
| Shinryuu | I'm here for the candies | 19:28 |
| FloR707 | Trying to learn =) | 19:28 |
| kimmoli | it takes just few weeks.. | 19:28 |
| kimmoli | ..of trial and error | 19:29 |
| r0kk3rz | if you keep going, eventually something will click | 19:29 |
| r0kk3rz | and then a world of possibilities opens up | 19:29 |
| FloR707 | It is really fun to learn it. To bad that I have a regular job as well and not too much time to work on my App ideas. | 19:31 |
| coderus | FloR707: read this: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtqml-cppintegration-contextproperties.html | 19:31 |
| coderus | and this: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtqml-cppintegration-exposecppattributes.html | 19:31 |
| r0kk3rz | learning to program sailfish apps from a non-programming background might be a big ask though | 19:32 |
| r0kk3rz | resources seem a little limited | 19:32 |
| kimmoli | just what i have done... | 19:32 |
| FloR707 | I try to start small. | 19:32 |
| FloR707 | The ZirkelTraining App was a good start and I am very happy that I got it so far. | 19:33 |
| r0kk3rz | not impossible, but perhaps not the easiest path to take | 19:34 |
| r0kk3rz | hopefully things will get a little easier when they release full qt5.2 | 19:36 |
| Dicee | hmm any idea why friends dont puplish my comments :\ | 19:36 |
| coderus | Dicee: friends doesnt like you? :) | 19:40 |
| Dicee | :D might be | 19:40 |
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| FloR707 | Ha I got it. Thanks for the help =) | 20:12 |
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