Wednesday, 2014-11-05

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Nicd-hey guys, how do I need to update my app's .desktop file for U9?06:22
Nicd-currently it's not starting the app (just says "Loading" forever and then dies)06:23
Nicd-I can start the app just fine from the terminal though06:23
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Juubaanyone using the Whatsapp android in Jolla? How do you "do contacts"... my whatsapp just shows empty06:35
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entilI thought contact access was done..06:46
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HereAGoat;)hi !07:10
HereAGoatCan I get the target platform in pro file ?07:11
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HereAGoatI want to set up the shadow build directory in pro file07:16
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HereAGoatI'm working on the cocos2d-x game engine's sailfish support07:18
HereAGoatNeed help my friends07:18
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ArmadilloJuuba ping07:22
ArmadilloJuuba may I take you're logs from the synchronization problem to write a TJC How-To to solve the problem?07:23
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JuubaArmadillo: you mean the xml stuff=07:31
Juubacan you read this ?
Juubasadly, I reset my phone, so that's all I have :/07:31
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Armadillothat's enough :)07:31
Juubadunno about lines 1-2 are they related to that07:32
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ArmadilloI'll only take the last two or four07:33
VDVsxlooks like those xml files got corrupted, probably due to some unexpected reboot/disk full, brtfs not very good at that it seems07:33
Juubayou decide :) Good luck with the reporting07:33
ArmadilloVDVsx yes07:34
Juubayeah, they're on disk with size 0 bytes07:34
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Armadillothe problem is, that the sync software doesn't handle this like if the files don't exist and overwrite it with a newer version07:35
VDVsxif you have questions let me know, but that is known that can happen(there are some workarounds in place to help in those cases, can't remember in which release)07:35
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Armadillodeleting the xml files works like a charm ;)07:35
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ArmadilloJuuba there it is:
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cos-hmm, could that also be the reason my google calendar isn't updating08:06
Juubacheck: /home/nemo/.cache/msyncd/sync/  if it has 0 bytes files, rm those08:06
Juuba:D this past year has seen myself get involved in FOSS 100% more than ever before.08:07
HBP_cos-: calendar sync works if you use the app provided by google and refresh manually :P08:09
HBP_but then syncing google contacts is a bit harder issue, for me it hasn't been working since Aug08:10
Master-PasseliAfter Uitukka also general CalDav stopped syncing here08:14
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HBP_btw. if I connect my jolla with dev USB why do I get the following route:       U     1      0        0 usb108:24
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stephgHBP_: that's weird, I don't have that08:26
Stskeepsthat's a rather wide network08:26
HBP_yep, it breaks things :)08:26
HBP_I also get     U     1000   0        0 usb1 which is correct I guess08:26
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HBP_oh noes, it isn't :D08:27
HBP_my phone is
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HBP_is there any documentation about that sync file format? I have interval = 0 for calendar but != 0 for other services08:30
lainwir3dhi !08:30
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HBP_stephg: ah hmh, that was in my network manager :o08:41
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HBP_so it completely fails because of a invalid entry, maybe=08:45
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zGrrmoin :)09:42
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Nokius1kimmoli: Hi wanted to ask you if can count you in for some TOH to present at FOSDEM next Year (
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kimmoliNokius1: uh10:42
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Nokius1kimmoli: Wanted to ask you bit earlier but atm I busy finding a job so thats why I a bit late around the corner10:43
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kimmoliNokius: yes, that comes kinda fast10:48
Nokiuskimmoli: sorry10:49
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kimmolibut i wouldn't rule it out, have to give some time for it10:52
kimmolior for my brains to process... i usually refuce all santa requests too but10:52
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Nokiuskimmoli: sure take your time ( Deadline is 20.11) Thanks for your support :)11:00
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tbrNokius: I'm sure someone with a keyboard ToH will turn up at FOSDEM. :)11:07
Nokiustbr: v1 or v2 :P iirc v2 will be in our hand around April ^___^ May you will bring you Battery one with you11:08
tbrI'll check how many myToHs we have left. might bring those around.11:10
tbrwhich kind of reminds me to check with cybette and jukka if Jolla paid for the batch of myToHs devaamo gave them.11:11
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r0kk3rzyou can send me a mytoh tbr :)11:21
r0kk3rzunfortunately I dont think i'll make it to tampere any time soon11:22
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tbrr0kk3rz: sure, 2€ + p&p11:27
r0kk3rzsounds like a fair deal11:28
tbrprobably will include even the holding bracket11:28
tbrit's essentially just to cover the production cost that devaamo footed back then11:28
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tbrit comes unpopulated, but is already usable as such11:29
r0kk3rzno smd components?11:29
kimmolii should have all parts needed, just add heat and solder (if devaamo doesn't??)11:31
r0kk3rztbr: anyway, figure out a price to post to UK its a done deal11:33
tbrkimmoli: devaamo doesn't have parts, you and JvD_ are the people with parts. :)11:34
kimmoliso pcb at tampere /i'm out of stock/ and parts at espoo.11:34
tbrif r0kk3rz wants it populated, then kimmoli could mail me the parts and I'd pop them and then drop it in the mail to her majesties country11:35
r0kk3rzalternatively i'll be in helsinki next monday for the day11:35
r0kk3rzpopulated would be nice, but im sure I can manage otherwise11:37
kimmoliwe can do things around, send me pcb, i'll assy it and give it to r0kk3rz ?11:37
tbrthat works too11:37
tbrI'll see to get a pcb in the mail today. kimmoli - please msg me your preferred address11:38
r0kk3rz:) thanks guys11:39
kimmoliso we _have_ to meet then on monday11:39
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r0kk3rzyeah thats cool11:43
r0kk3rzive got 24h is helsinki11:43
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kimmolir0kk3rz: hmm, just found your breakout...12:33
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Armadillodoes anyone have an example how to use the Separator element?13:37
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Nicd-I have used it for a graphical effect but dunno if it's how it's supposed to be used13:39
Nicd-that was my first app though so the code is really noobish13:40
Armadillointeresting, that the documentation for this is completely wrong as there also were complaints about this one year ago on the mailing list13:44
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suyIs there something equivalent to Q_OS_ANDROID (and QNX, WINPHONE, etc.) for SailfishOS?14:37
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suyWell, the answer is clearly not, at least for upstream Qt, not even 5.4. The real question is: do you think this should be added to Qt?14:42
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r0kk3rzkimmoli: that was before I realised i was going to need a logic level converter15:15
r0kk3rzand eeprom15:15
r0kk3rzi would have put something together eventually, but im not really set up for hardware stuff anywhere yet15:16
r0kk3rzliving out of a suitcase is like that15:17
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sandsmarkis it safe to change the hostname?16:12
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SK_worksandsmark: try :)16:24
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r0kk3rzyaaaay i have a laptop with a decent screen again16:27
r0kk3rzcept now the sdk doesnt work16:32
r0kk3rzanyone tried the sdk on windows 8_16:33
sandsmarkSK_work: I just hope it still boots afterwards :p16:34
* sandsmark runs hostnamectl16:34
SK_worksandsmark: recovery if you screw it up16:36
sandsmarkwhoo:   Static hostname: oyarsa16:36
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r0kk3rzah, win8 needs an environment variable setting up16:49
r0kk3rznot so bad16:49
r0kk3rzshould throw that on the SDK Wiki16:49
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NokiusThanks to locusf and tbr :)17:53
locusfnp :)17:53
tbrNokius: can you clarify the last sentence?17:53
Nokiustbr: You mean the Why should … question17:55
tbrNokius: yes17:56
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tbror write it in german and I'll come up with a good wording17:57
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Nokiustbr will do Thanks18:00
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Nokiustbr may its better now18:12
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tbrNokius: does that still say what you want?18:15
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Nokiustbr that good coworking is great added abit18:19
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Nokiustbr the ecosystem part need a bit polish will think about improvement there18:24
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Nicd-hm, where are the .desktop files on sailfish?18:42
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coderusBest developer question ever :D18:45
Nicd-my .desktop file looks ok, but for some reason my app doesn't start from the app grid18:47
Nicd-it just stays "Loading" for a while and then dies18:47
coderuswhat is your desktop file contents?18:48
coderusdid you changed something?18:48
Nicd-no, it's an app I'm developing. but I can take a diff -u from sailtime's .desktop file18:49
Nicd-and sailtime works ok18:49
coderusshow me your desktop file and main.cpp file18:49
Nicd-desktop is
R-Zits a trap!18:50
Nicd-main cpp file is
coderusyou not/using wrong/invalid invoker category or/and your main.cpp have no/wrong export features18:50
Nicd-what does that mean?18:51
coderusNicd-: missing Q_DECL_EXPORT before int main18:51
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Nicd-why do I need that? it's not in the sailfish app template18:51
coderusand calling QCoreApplication:: befoew/with Sailfishpp::main seems suspicious18:52
Nicd-well it works fine when I start it from the terminal18:52
Nicd-only starting from app grid fails18:52
coderusstart invoker --type=silica-qt5 harbour-weechatrelay18:52
coderususe this way:
coderusthen create view:
coderusset main qml, show it:
coderusand return  app->exec(); at the end18:54
Nicd-I changed desktop file to say:18:55
Nicd-Exec=invoker --type=silica-qt5 harbour-weechatrelay18:55
Nicd-and now it starts fine from the app grid :)18:55
Nicd-thanks coderus!18:55
Zeeshanahadcoderus :P18:56
locusfyou shouldn't have to do that in a .desktop file18:56
coderusNicd-: lol18:57
Nicd-locusf: but now it works and before it didn't :D18:57
r0kk3rzNicd-: sure if you like putting more hacks into your application :P18:58
Nicd-r0kk3rz: well maybe someone can tell me the proper way then18:58
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locusfcoderus just did18:58
* coderus feels like when tried to help code right, but was understood wrong, and got thanks anyway, because person was satisfied his results ...18:59
Nicd-so my code in main() is wrong and affects how it starts from the app grid?18:59
Nicd-but not how it starts from the terminal?18:59
Nicd-I'll rewrite my main() code, it just sounds strange :)18:59
coderusNicd-: you want your app be approved to harbour?18:59
coderusthen learn coding right19:00
Nicd-coderus: eventually yes19:00
r0kk3rzNicd-: i run my main method the way you do, launches fine from app grid19:00
coderusand start understanding process19:00
coderusr0kk3rz: with QCoreApplication:: calls before SailfishApp::main call? And everything works fine? :D19:00
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r0kk3rzwithout the qcoreapp calls19:01
Nicd-coderus: problem is there is no documentation for the sailfish specific main() stuff19:01
coderusthen shut app and let Nicd- learn :P19:01
coderusNicd-: really?19:01
Nicd-haven't found any19:01
Nicd-other than the 6 line comment in the main cpp file19:01
Nicd-and usually when I ask here I just get another dev (not a jolla dev) that shows me how their app works19:02
locusfhow old is your sdk?19:02
coderuswhat is it for then?!
locusfI don't think the latest sdk has the same boilerplate code19:02
locusfand yes as coderus shows19:03
locusfhmm it says you can use, not have to use19:03
Nicd-locusf: it's the one before U919:03
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locusfNicd-: ok, then the code should be ok19:03
r0kk3rzcomment out the qcoreapp calls19:03
coderusNicd-: do you know what is QGuiApplication, QQuickView classes for?19:04
coderusdid you developed qt apps before sailfish?19:04
coderusjust for many developers these things are essential :D19:04
coderusok then :D19:05
coderususe this code:
Nicd-thanks, I was just writing it that way19:09
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coderusafter you successfully start your app via launcher grid please google articles about QGuiApplication/QCoreApplication, QQuickView and QScoppedPointer19:11
coderusand not just google, please read it :D19:12
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Nicd-hm, I restored the original .desktop file and wrote main() like suggested, but it still doesn't start from the app grid19:19
Nicd-I'll gist the files19:19
cos-in finnish, sorry
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Nicd-cos-: should that be in #jollamobile?19:21
cos-yes actually19:21
cos-or #jollasuomi19:22
Nicd-in the logs it says Nov 05 21:22:08 Jolla lipstick[987]: invoker: Invoking execution: '/usr/bin/harbour-weechatrelay'19:23
Nicd-any ideas? :)19:24
Nicd-well, if I don't get it to work I'll just put the hack into the .desktop file and deal with it later19:29
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ForgrimmI started with the development of SailGrande an unofficial but native Instagram client for Sailfish. Maybe someone has used/tried it already? I have some questions about ux design for upcoming features.19:49
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Nicd-someone just mentioned it recently19:51
Nicd-apparently it was TMavica who isn't here right now19:52
ForgrimmCurrently the app has two main views: The personal feed and the popular feed. But I want to add tagged based feeds and also location-aware feeds. Also some more functions like going to the own profile and more. Some ideas how to mantain a Sailfish like experience? Don't want to add to many pulldownmenu items19:53
ForgrimmOkay, maybe he's back later19:58
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kimmoliwhat is instagram?20:20
coderuskimmoli: instagram.com20:22
* kimmoli tries to be funny in middle of MGConfItem() things...20:23
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* stephg pats kimmoli on the back, offers beer20:23
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kimmolimmmm... beer, i shouldnt20:39
Stskeepslucky number20:40
coderuskimmoli: MGConfItem, again? :D20:40
kimmoli?again? not done it actually yet...20:40
kimmolibut this hates me still20:42
stephgTOHKBD shows what's right with the world. It's brill on so many levels20:42
R-Zand kimmoli, keep being awesome, i dont even own a jolla device or anything, ive just seen your work on the maemo forums, FINNISH MONGOL PRIDE!20:45
coderuskimmoli: what wrong? :D20:46
kimmolii moved my daemon to user20:46
kimmolibut need setuid20:46
kimmoliand now dconf gets rooted20:46
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Stskeepskimmoli: have you considered other way around, make some kind of udev rule for the gpios that you setgid to..?20:47
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kimmolicould basically work...20:49
Stskeepsmaybe a good way to motivate sailfish to do toh-y stuff as user too20:50
Stskeepsie a toh group20:50
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kimmolii have a feeling i dont know what i'm doing, but SUBSYSTEM=="subsystem", KERNEL=="gpio",  ACTION=="add", PROGRAM="/bin/sh -c 'chown -R nemo:nemo /sys%p'" this seems to do something20:58
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kimmoliand now the dconf doesnt work anymore21:07
coderuskimmoli: once rooted dconf must be fixed manually with chown21:09
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coderuskimmoli: just create another dbus daemon for dconf stuff21:10
coderusand enjoy your main rot daemon21:10
kimmoliwhat i'm doing was possible over dbus in u4 or something21:11
coderussomrtimes it better than trying to fit evverything in one daemon21:11
coderuskimmoli: :D21:11
kimmolior i just do process("su - nemo -c....21:13
kimmolii'll test that21:14
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kimmoliok, process is started as nemo, so this works21:46
kimmoliprocess->start("/usr/bin/dconf write /sailfish/text_input/active_layout \"'tohkbd.qml'\"");21:46
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