Tuesday, 2014-11-25

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swift110-phoneHey martyone05:16
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swift110-phoneHow r u martyone05:33
martyonefine, thanks05:33
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jsimomaacoderus: ok thanks06:40
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xkr47good morning07:56
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Armadillorecently tested the chinese language of my app10:44
Armadilloit's good that the settings are that easy to find10:44
xkr47how did it go?10:44
Armadilloelse I wouldn't have find the way back :D10:45
Armadilloworked well10:45
Armadillolike every other language10:45
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walokracan I have dynamic anchors e.g. with some boolean I give only top anchor or bottom anchor?10:53
tortoisedocwalokra : you can set them dynamically10:56
tortoisedocbut how, I would not know10:56
tortoisedocask coderus :P10:56
walokratrying to do setting for the toolbar place at top or bottom10:58
walokraluckily ide + vm just stopped discussing together so I can get back to real work :)10:59
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Armadillovarxyz === true ? parent.bottom : undefined11:00
Armadillojust a guess11:00
walokrayep, that's the question11:00
Armadillo"To clear an anchor value, set it to undefined."11:01
walokraah, too easy answer :)11:01
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Jonniwalokra: please also read http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtquick-positioning-anchors.html#changing-anchors "Bad code" examples. Ie try avoid dynamic anchors as  they can break up easily.11:21
walokraJonni: thanks, will see.11:21
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walokrathere's "issues" if you're anchoring to height and it changes. e.g. context menu doesn't show correctly after that11:23
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walokraanchoring to component bottom which height changes11:23
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Juice_Hi, is there a way to disable swipe-to-home programmatically?11:50
Juice_for an app I mean11:51
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tbrJuice_: look at the puzzle game, it does that IIRC11:51
Juice_ok, thanks11:52
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coderuswalokra: what the use case btw?11:58
coderuswhat are you trying to do?11:59
walokragive the user the option to change the position of the toolbar11:59
walokrajust a thought to see how it could work11:59
coderustoolbar like what?12:00
walokrafor some icon buttons / dropdownmenu12:01
coderustoolbar like tweetian have?12:02
walokranot in the same sense, toolbar for "secondary" actions12:03
coderusi mean its always visible thing?12:04
walokrait gets hidden when scrolling12:04
coderuswhy not to use Dock then?12:04
walokrawell, there are different solutions. have to test which works the best12:08
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coderusyou can also try to steal sailfish-browser toolbar component ;)12:10
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Nokiusis there a updated Jolla Filemanager?14:20
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ulvus¨hi sailfisher14:44
SK_workhi ulvus14:45
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ulvushow goes14:49
SK_workPSA: Sailfish OS collaboration meeting in 10 min on #mer-meeting14:49
ulvusokay someone said sailfish 2.0 dont come with tablet and now. the jolla news are that tablet launch are may 2015 with sailfish os 2.0?14:50
ulvusond egg.me14:51
Nicd-who said?14:51
SK_workulvus: it comes with the tablet14:51
SK_workbut OS 2.0 seems to be more a marketing term14:51
SK_workthere will be a refresh of user experience14:51
SK_worktaht's all14:51
ulvuson the funding14:51
SK_workand it is also coming on phones. Maybe even coming quicker on phone than may 201514:52
Nicd-on the funding?14:52
pp_"out of beta" was pretty arbitrary too :-)14:52
ulvusyeah you should know it hehe14:52
ulvusthe egg.me funding page of jolla tablet, nicd14:52
ulvuspsa? message?14:54
Nicd-ulvus: where does it say the tablet does not come with 2.0?14:54
ulvusoh wrong page / short links14:54
ulvusnicd its says its come with 2.014:55
stephgPSA: Sailfish OS collaboration meeting in ~5 min on #mer-meeting14:55
Nicd-but you said someone said it doesn't come with 2.0. so I'm asking who said that :P14:55
coderusSailfishOS 2.0 does not come with tablet!14:55
coderusthats all i know14:56
ulvusthey other here say sailfish os 2.0,, they other here.like coderus.14:56
Nicd-but "Sailfish OS 2.0 doesn't come with tablet" is not the same as "Tablet doesn't come with Sailfish OS 2.0" :)14:56
ulvusso send a complain to jolla writer on the fundind pages14:56
ulvusyou are confusing. im not  good to english sentences.14:57
Nicd-ulvus: the tablet will come with Sailfish OS 2.014:58
Nicd-don't mind what coderus is saying because he means a different thing14:58
ulvuswrite to jolla and tell them about the thing hehehe LOL14:58
ulvusbut another thing. whats stands PSA fore14:59
Nicd-public service announcement15:00
SK_workulvus: it can be this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_Peugeot_Citro%C3%ABn but not in this context15:00
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sledgesgoogle gives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostate-specific_antigen15:03
ulvusi think you know it. bus amazing $1,240,820USD15:03
ulvusRAISED OF $380,000 GOAL15:03
giucamwtf says "PSA: Professional Services Automation"15:03
ulvuswe are not on they same page. hehe :-):https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet15:04
phaerongiucam: public service announcement15:04
giucamphaeron: yeah, i was just adding to the definitions ;)15:05
ulvusrofl. ordinary it is me to make the different thinking and searchinglol:-)15:05
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kodiak1Hello Folks - interested in this jolla tablet thing that's coming out as I'm a Linux sysadmin who's frequently annoyed by Android - I can't find it listed anywhere what the support for LUKS folders will be on Jolla Tab / Sailfish OS 2 - anyone know offhand, or have a link to docs?16:07
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tbrkodiak1: you missed the QA on #mer-meeting but you could ask on together.jolla.com16:14
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stephgkodiak1: cryptsetup should work, I don't think the devicemapper stuff is there tho16:25
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stephgas to whether they're bundled I'm afraid I don't know16:25
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kodiak1TBH it seems like nobody knows what will work and what won't on this tablet, every question I ask on together.jolla reeks of speculation and shrugs (for example they don't even know that 64gb+ microSD will work for sure - it's "untested")16:50
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stephgkodiak1: 64GB works on the phone16:50
stephgcryptsetup I think works on the phone16:51
stephgfor OS only things anything that works on the phone will work on the tablet16:51
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kodiak1I'm going to put Sailfish back on the shelf for a couple more iterations until its feature set is better understood and documented.16:52
kodiak1though I'm happy to see it's being worked on16:52
stephgkodiak1: if you have a spare N4 or N5 (or S3) kicking around you can try it yourself16:52
stephg(or download the SDK, run the emulator and build yourself)16:52
stephghell so many people have asked about cryptsetup I might oackage it myself16:53
kodiak1That's kind of the problem.  I'm a US Verizon customer puttering around with Android for my day to day and am not willing to lay out cash until I can be sure of what I am actually getting when I pay for it.  I can do that with commercial offerings now by looking at specs, I can't really do that with Jolla / Sailfish currently but I do hope to be able to in the future.16:54
kodiak1stephg:  I did do a quick search for 'luks' on together.jolla before asking at least16:54
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kodiak1Like all important projects I do hope that Mer/Sailfish will put a solid effort into docs, they can make or break stuff like the Jolla products when it comes to helping convince wary customers it is going to do what they *think* it will do16:56
stephgkodiak1: :)16:56
stephgbackground for this is that mer/nemo and Sailfish on top are pretty minimal, by design16:56
stephgso alot of stuff you see baked into a desktop distro isn't necessarily in the core repos16:56
SK_workstrangely, the doc topic got brought at meeting16:57
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kodiak1I like minimal but I hope it's also modular - that we can plug in functionality we "need" (who really "needs" anything in a tablet haha) - for me if I can't work with LUKS containers on my microSD card it's not worth it16:57
stephgbut luks et. al. won't be documented if they're not there16:57
stephgthat's not to say that they can't be provided/built16:58
stephgand if you have that itch then packaging them for mer-tools say is the way forward16:58
entila friend asked how does he send an sms... couldn't find a doc. mahbe it's impossible but those things mattef to some developrs16:58
kodiak1I would hope a lot of these userspace things would be easily pluggable options (using a software package manager to install, executing a few commands or working within a file manager)16:59
stephgand they are16:59
stephgthey're all based around rpm (with packagekit or zypper infront of that) so adding repos is trivial16:59
ryukafalzI forget if SMS is done through Telepathy as with other messaging17:00
kodiak1Jolla is BigUp'ing privacy on the tablet they are punting on indiegogo - LUKS should be a big part of that IMO17:00
ryukafalzintuitively it seems like it would be17:00
* ryukafalz pokes around17:00
entilryukafalz: no idea, i dont miss it, but it feels like something hat should be obvious17:00
entillike i you looked for it17:01
stephgit would help if I looked before opening my mouth17:01
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stephgkodiak1: http://pastie.org/974288517:02
swift110-phoneOk i got the sailfish sdk how do i get to the iso?17:02
stephgswift110-phone: iso?17:02
ryukafalzentil: Yep, it's through telepathy-ring - though there may be an API to do do more easily17:02
kodiak1stephg: tahnks - I'd be curious to see if you can carry that through to mounting a container living on microSD17:03
swift110-phoneYes to use with virtual box17:03
entili'll tell him that.. but how would he find telpathy?-)17:03
kodiak1a killer feature for a privacy related product would be to make the magic happen via the file browser context menus17:03
stephgkodiak1: I'll have a look tonight if I have time17:04
entiloff the bus now&17:04
kodiak1there are similar apps for rooted android17:04
stephgswift110-phone: the sdk installs vms for the build box and emulater17:04
stephgthere is no iso to download per se17:04
swift110-phoneI dont understand how to use the emulator17:05
Acceswift110-phone: https://sailfishos.org/develop-firstapp-article.html17:05
stephgooh jinx :)17:06
Acceby few seconds ;)17:06
swift110-phoneIm not a developer i just want to experience the os17:06
swift110-phoneGet a good look at it as i may be getting the tablet17:07
AcceI see, there isn't much anything installed on the emulator by the way17:07
stephgswift110-phone there is no harm in having a play17:07
stephgbut as Acce says this will only give you an idea of the look and feel, and of the phone17:07
stephgright, me runs. laters!17:07
kimmolistephg: emulater !17:09
swift110-phoneOh ok17:10
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kimmolitime to open beer and sdk, but not in any particular order17:10
Accekimmoli: agreed17:10
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entilhttp://www.sheldrake.org/Articles&Papers/papers/telepathy/sensingsms.htm :D17:15
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ryukafalzentil: haha, not quite the same kind of telepathy XD17:17
ryukafalzyou may find this useful: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-August/000629.html17:18
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entilhttp://doc.qt.digia.com/qtmobility-1.2/qmessageservice.html#send is this relevant?17:19
entilryukafalz: appreciate it! I passed the links forward17:19
entilbut I hope you guys get my point here17:19
ryukafalzI haven't done much work on Sailfish personally, but I've been trying to play around with Telepathy recently17:20
entilhanging out on irc is a huge thing, like I you need to be online with whoever knows things, and that other person needs to have time to help, and often it's like this, asking about links whether or not they're relevant17:20
entiland tjc is crowded17:21
ryukafalztrue, it is17:21
ryukafalzTMO may be useful as well17:21
entilwho's the person even to take this up with? who are jolla employees here? stskeeps? cybette? iekku? :P17:21
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ryukafalzthe best place for programming related stuff would probably be the mailing list17:22
entiljolla.com doesn't link to sailfish.org and sailfish.org doesn't present telepathy and all that in any obvious manner17:22
walokraJonni: indeed the anchors "clearing" works strangely. one time is ok but after that it gets confused and doesn't work17:23
entilreading about silica leads to qt, that's at least something17:23
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ryukafalzentil: Ideally there would be an API so you could do this without worrying about Telepathy at all17:23
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ryukafalzbut I don't believe there is atm17:23
entilbut imo lowering the barrier to entry wrt all this is crucial17:23
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iekkuentil, i agree sailfishos.org needs lots of love17:23
entilryukafalz: I dunno really, the quick googling seems like you'd use telepathy over dbus, and dbus libraries probably exist... so the question is where is the use of dbus documented17:24
iekkuryukafalz, i agree with mailing list17:24
iekkuand we have developer-care@ too17:24
iekkuand sailors hanging here :)17:24
entilmuch love for tjc, irc and mailing lists <3 but there aren't any huge links to mailing lists (and archives) on sailfish.org17:24
ryukafalzentil: It's dbus, but the Telepathy dbus spec is... probably not something you want to be doing manually :P17:25
entilI mean, they must be somewhere, but you shouldn't underestimate peoples' laziness17:25
coderuswalokra: use AnchorsChange17:25
ryukafalzThe full spec is here: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/spec/17:25
* ryukafalz has to head out for lunch17:26
entilafaik on android it's like import com.android.google.nsa.spyware.sms and you're go17:26
iekkuentil, thanks for pointing that out17:26
entilyeah, I should hit the kitchen and cook something, but wanted to bring this to the channel's attention in case there's someone around who's listening ;)17:26
entiliekku: so you are a jolla employee and I'm not mistaken? I was nervous about highlighting ;)17:26
entil(also as I don't have highlights, even those can be unreliable, cuz I'm not the only one who disables those ;)17:27
entilanyway, cheers guys, kitchen time ->17:28
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iekkuentil, yes i am and i'm sailor behind developer-care17:28
iekkuso you can ping me when there's need17:28
entilthat's a nice ping then :>17:28
entilunfortunately I'm fine for now myself ;)17:28
iekkumost of the time i don't know answers but i know where i find those :)17:28
entilbut really nice if you picked up on this documentation-and-api thing :)17:29
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iekkuentil, doing my best17:31
dr_jollaguys good evening from milan17:31
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dr_gogeta86_jolllast mer meeting?17:34
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kimmoliiekku: in few days, more TOHIDs coming (early warning)17:37
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walokracoderus: AnchorsChange ?17:41
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walokraah, with states17:42
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iekkukimmoli, thanks :)17:47
coderuswalokra: *AnchorChanges17:47
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walokrathanks, found it17:48
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ilpianistaso, it seems I cannot put a ComboBox in a Row with a fixed height, because the ComboBox area that is greater than Row's height is not painted. Any idea on how to workaround that?18:00
ilpianistaI was expecting the ComboBox to be painted in a, say, "Row's layer + 1"18:01
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walokrapuuh, I get interesting actions with my apps UI when trying to reanchor components18:17
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walokrasoon I'm thinking that it's not meant to work that way... :)18:18
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coderusilpianista: why you putting ComboBox in a Row?...18:48
coderuswalokra: well, restart app to change is a good idea also18:49
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ilpianistacoderus: because the Row is supposed to be a Toolbar18:52
coderuswhy you putting ComboBox in a toolbar then?..18:53
ilpianistacoderus: please take a look to this https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ilpianista/Papocchio/master/screenshots/papocchio.jpg Top-Left I used the IconTextSwitch there, but I'd like to put a ComboBox instead18:55
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coderusilpianista: change it to ValueButton and open Dialog, not ComboBox list18:55
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ilpianistacoderus: ok, thanks!18:56
coderushelp me book a room/apartment in helsinki :)18:58
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ilpianistaI already did ;-)19:03
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bluszczhm, I have a QObject communicating with QML finally, but how I can get context inside it?19:53
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coderusbluszcz: means?19:54
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bluszczcoderus: just found answer: https://qt-project.org/wiki/Introduction_to_Qt_Quick :)19:56
coderusi suggest you qmlRegisterType19:57
bluszczwhat I am doing, getting a QSTring responnses from http request, and want to show it as webview19:58
bluszczlater perhaps some strippin tags ;)19:58
bluszcz       qmlRegisterType <BusReader> ( "com.saildev.components", 1, 0, "BusReader" );19:58
bluszczI qmlRegisterType my type19:58
coderuscool then :)19:59
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bluszczyeah, but still new in QML ;)19:59
coderusask any questions you have :)19:59
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bluszczcoderus: hm, i am not sure if i did correctly finally, i have created a Textfield with id: someID - how would be correct call to update it?20:07
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coderusbluszcz: you need to create Q_PROPERTY in your C++ class20:18
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coderusand extarea text: busReader.property20:18
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coderusread this: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtqml-cppintegration-topic.html20:18
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bluszczI did this:20:36
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bluszczach, it works :)20:40
bluszczwhich object parse basic html tags?20:40
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bluszczI want to show basically text with few html tagshmm20:46
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bluszczor another way, I have a WebView and I want to use loadHtml on a webview from other object using context - it is possible?20:56
coderusbluszcz: Label20:57
coderustextFormat: Text.RichText20:58
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bluszczcool thanks21:04
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bluszczok, does qml has any helpers for converting latin1->utf8?21:20
bluszcz'qt', not qml21:20
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Nokiuscoderus: Will check as we speak (Coupon)21:29
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coderusNokius: #jollamobile?21:31
coderusand yes, it's just my typo :)21:31
Nokiusnope airbnb21:31
Nokiusmay I can help with one let me check21:33
coderusNokius: hehe, i mean at #jollamobile i made a type "copon" :D21:33
coderusAnd i found myself, just used referrial link to register another account and got 20euro off :)21:34
bluszczok, going to make first deploy on device :)21:35
Nokiuscoderus: :P okay21:36
Nokiuswas hitning enter but saw your "way"21:36
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bluszczdo i need to turn on some developer mode?21:38
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bluszczenablind then hmmm21:39
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coderusbluszcz: sure :D21:39
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bluszczenabled, but cannot ping from computer 2.1521:44
bluszczvia wireless it says refused, even if i changed password via terminal for user nemo21:45
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coderusif your interface really up and running?21:46
coderuswhat is your pc os?21:46
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coderuswhat ifconfig says?21:47
bluszczmine or?21:48
bluszczor jolla?21:48
coderuspc is enough21:48
coderusbut you ccan check both :)21:48
bluszczjolla has iptables?21:48
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bluszczbut developer mode does not unlock iptables?21:49
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coderusdevmode do nothing with iptables21:51
coderusi see no usb interface in your ifconfig :)21:51
bluszczhm, now I reconnected and I have usb0 device21:51
bluszczbut without ip address21:51
coderussure you need reconnect after enabling devmode :D21:51
coderuscreate new connection for usb with dhcp21:51
bluszczi set manually21:52
bluszczok, and now "server rejected password"21:52
coderusopen terminal in jolla21:53
coderusand test your password here first21:53
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bluszczin Developer tools 'Remote Connection' I set password for root, right?21:56
coderusroot passwd unset21:59
coderusdevel-su asking nemo password21:59
bluszczand this password works22:00
bluszczworks with devel-su22:01
bluszczbut does not work with the qtcreator22:01
bluszczwhile i try to setup a new device22:01
coderustest ssh nemo@
bluszczdodoes not work22:02
coderusdo you have SSH switch active in devmode settings? :)22:03
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coderusdeveloper mode settings22:04
bluszczits getting bit confusing22:04
coderusthere is ssh22:04
bluszczi activated it22:04
bluszczsince qtcreated asks for ssh22:04
bluszczits enabled22:04
coderusso you set your ip on pc?22:04
bluszczi can connect to ssh22:04
bluszczit rejects my passwords22:04
bluszczthe same which works in devel-su22:04
bluszczyes, nemo22:04
coderuswell, go to devel-su and passwd nemo :)22:05
bluszczi don't think so its password problem22:06
bluszczonce again22:06
coderuswhy not?22:06
bluszczi know my password, i set it before22:06
bluszczi did passwd before22:06
bluszczand devel-su works with it22:06
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bluszczsomehow this password does not work trough ssh22:07
coderuswtf :D22:07
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bluszczlike ssh is using different pam than local22:07
coderustry to reboot/enable-disable devmode22:07
Nokiusor set the password again in the developer mode setting22:08
coderustry everything22:08
coderusandd sorry i need to sleep now :(22:08
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M4rtinKbluszcz: also check if you don't have a firewall running on your PC22:12
M4rtinKbluszcz: that might also cause some issues, such as maybe preventing the DHCP on Jollas side from working ?22:12
bluszczi have docker22:12
M4rtinKFWIW I just have the addresses set statically22:13
bluszczbut not firewalk22:13
bluszczi also have usb0 statically22:13
bluszczi can connect SSH over tcp22:13
bluszczjust authentication does not work22:13
bluszczits not firewall issues :/22:13
M4rtinKDocker can solve many problems, but not this one :)22:13
M4rtinKoh, you got the link working22:13
M4rtinKthen maybe just transfer your public key from PC to Jolla22:14
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M4rtinKand set it as authorized key22:14
bluszczqtcreator will detect it?22:14
M4rtinKdepending how it uses SSH but I guess it should ?22:15
M4rtinK(not using it for Sailfish OS development)22:15
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bluszczach no22:23
bluszczports are closed22:23
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bluszczheh, ssh daemom is not runnig actually22:27
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bluszczgosh i dont get it22:32
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M4rtinKtry a reboot :D22:36
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M4rtinKBTW, it might not be actually running to work:22:38
M4rtinK$ systemctl list-unit-files | grep sshd.socket22:38
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M4rtinKit looks like it might be using socket activation22:39
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bluszczi run ssh -D22:53
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bluszczfor today enough https://github.com/bluszcz/BarcelonaBus22:56
M4rtinKnice :)22:56
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ln-it's a little silly that the sailfish project template contains a german localization which messes up the .desktop file if you don't do something to it.23:00
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sandsmarkis there any API for compressed archives?23:39
sandsmarkwould be nice if karchive was available...23:42
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M4rtinKthere is python 3.423:47
M4rtinKit can do zip, gzip, bzip2 & lzma23:48
M4rtinKsandsmark: if you are using C++ you can just make a short Python script and call it from your code :)23:49
sandsmarkugh :P23:49
sandsmarkthen I'd rather just do system("unzip")23:49
sandsmarkwhere can I suggest libraries for whitelisting?23:50
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M4rtinKlets see23:56
sandsmarkseems like I should get them into mer first23:57
sandsmarkbut the mer gitweb is down, as well as the mer gerrit instance23:57
sandsmarkso no way to get them in :D23:57
M4rtinKsandsmark: looks like it has been already requested: https://together.jolla.com/question/17042/harbour-api-request-archive-support-libraries/23:58
M4rtinKI have voted for it already a while ago23:59
M4rtinKbut it does not seem to be getting much attention23:59
M4rtinKas for infra services not working23:59

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