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| jcbjoe_ | ryukafalz: you alive ? | 02:15 |
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| nykac | is there a list of phones that sailfish has been ported to? | 02:28 |
| jcbjoe_ | yes | 02:29 |
| jcbjoe_ | nykac: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 02:30 |
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| salyavin | As Ubuntu Touch also uses libhybris it applies to them too. | 02:59 |
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| ryukafalz | ryukafalz: yep, but studying for finals :P | 03:27 |
| ryukafalz | er | 03:28 |
| ryukafalz | jcbjoe_: | 03:28 |
| ryukafalz | I just highlighted myself O.o | 03:28 |
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| Acce | maybe you needed to remind yourself to study and not to IRC! :) | 07:46 |
| meklu | there's always time for more IRC! | 07:46 |
| meklu | (except when there isn't) | 07:46 |
| meklu | 15% of the time, it works 100% of the time! | 07:47 |
| Tegu | do both at the same time! and end up jus IRCing | 07:47 |
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| m4g0g | hi | 10:26 |
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| walokra | vote for better harbour: https://together.jolla.com/question/53690/harbour-more-statistics-and-rest-api/ | 11:17 |
| Armadillo | already done | 11:18 |
| walokra | it's quite tedious to gather app stats manually for graphs :) | 11:19 |
| locusf | did you take the numbers daily ? :) | 11:23 |
| walokra | not quite, about every other day | 11:23 |
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| meklu | hmm, is there a gpg agent for sailfish? | 12:23 |
| * meklu is slowly making some sort of file upload/dump system | 12:24 | |
| muppis | Based on which protocol? | 12:25 |
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| meklu | the agent or the file nonsense? | 12:26 |
| meklu | the file dumper is going to be a custom-built binary protocol over tcp | 12:26 |
| meklu | going to make some cli utilities first | 12:26 |
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| muppis | I'd like to see somekind of sharing plugin using scp. Planned to do it by myself, but hard to find time to focus on it. | 12:28 |
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| meklu | that'd be rather neat too | 12:29 |
| meklu | this is something I'm doing just for the heck of it™ | 12:29 |
| meklu | I'll at least intend to make it usable for me ;) | 12:29 |
| muppis | :D | 12:29 |
| meklu | this time around I'll have to roll a real client too! | 12:30 |
| meklu | unlike with my URL shortener | 12:30 |
| muppis | I'd liked N900's Command line sharing and I'd like to do something like that. | 12:30 |
| muppis | s/I'd/I/ | 12:30 |
| meklu | my use-case is just plopping a random file onto a server and then maybe getting a URL or a few out of it | 12:31 |
| meklu | like sharing some image or something and getting some URL on the clipboard which doesn't necessarily even have the same basename on the file | 12:32 |
| muppis | Sounds cool too. | 12:33 |
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| coderus | New RandomKeypad patch: http://pic.twitter.com/9easTji2Un | 13:25 |
| SK_work | coderus: looks weired | 13:25 |
| SK_work | :s | 13:25 |
| meklu | looks neat | 13:25 |
| SK_work | not even sure if it is more secure | 13:25 |
| SK_work | Description: patch to prevent you to drunk-text | 13:25 |
| meklu | someone overlooking you input the code is probably less likely to remember it | 13:25 |
| meklu | it's not like that's going to deter any software-based breach :> | 13:26 |
| SK_work | meklu: true | 13:26 |
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| coderus | SK_work: it's more secure than maze and default keypad :) | 13:50 |
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| SK_work | coderus: it is also more tedious to use ? | 13:55 |
| SK_work | don't know | 13:55 |
| SK_work | of course you won't have difference in fingerprint density on your screen | 13:56 |
| SK_work | :) | 13:56 |
| pvuorela | not that more secure if owner needs to type slowly. | 13:56 |
| stephg | afternoon guys | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon stephg | 13:56 |
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| coderus | pvuorela: don't worry, i will release many other lock medotd for any taste :) | 13:57 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: one with acceleration sensor as input? (siika-lock) | 14:02 |
| kimmoli | customized unlock-audio-effects? | 14:03 |
| coderus | kimmoli: you mean alarm when someone write wrong code in your device? :) | 14:07 |
| coderus | acceleration like in symbian? | 14:07 |
| Acce | like you have to wave your hand with correct frequency to unlock? | 14:08 |
| kimmoli | no. Just to play some tune if successfully unlocked | 14:09 |
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| kimmoli | and no^2, make the numbers float randomly on screen and you need to catch them in correct order | 14:10 |
| kimmoli | play siika and you'll know ;) | 14:10 |
| Acce | ah :D | 14:10 |
| locusf | kahen kilon siika! | 14:11 |
| kimmoli | try to play siika intoxicated ... | 14:11 |
| kimmoli | and its not even friday... | 14:12 |
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| coderus | oops update10 here: https://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-software-version-11126-vaarainjarvi/ | 15:07 |
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| Armadillo | w0000t | 15:08 |
| jcbjoe | oo | 15:09 |
| jcbjoe | does that mean its going to the nexus4 soon ? | 15:09 |
| Armadillo | what a changelog... | 15:11 |
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| Nokius_ | Where is my Phone?! | 15:12 |
| Acce | coo! | 15:16 |
| till- | nice | 15:18 |
| Armadillo | Improvements to Owncloud CalDav support | 15:18 |
| Armadillo | that sounds good | 15:18 |
| VDVsx | Armadillo, patches from community contributor | 15:18 |
| Armadillo | :) | 15:19 |
| till- | strange, my jolla doesn't show an update | 15:19 |
| kontio_ | till-: first ones first... | 15:20 |
| till- | i'm a first one | 15:20 |
| till- | :) | 15:20 |
| till- | even wearing the t-shirt right now | 15:20 |
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| Armadillo | lol | 15:21 |
| kontio_ | ok but still then it should be available soonish when you check by hand for updates | 15:21 |
| till- | i'm doing that every five seconds, guess i just have to wait.. | 15:22 |
| Armadillo | soon™ >.< | 15:22 |
| xfade_ | till-: Which OS version are you running? | 15:23 |
| till- | opt-in update 9 | 15:23 |
| xfade_ | Right, patience then ;) | 15:23 |
| xfade_ | That is the next round :) | 15:23 |
| till- | okay :) | 15:23 |
| Armadillo | what's the definition of a "round"? :D | 15:24 |
| xfade_ | Armadillo: config entry and a mouse click ;) | 15:24 |
| Armadillo | :D | 15:24 |
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| Armadillo | is there any known issue with the TextSwitch element where the description exceeds the bottom element border? | 15:25 |
| Armadillo | damn have to go, see ya later | 15:26 |
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| xfade_ | till-: try your luck again, it might work ;) | 15:34 |
| till- | yes it does :) | 15:34 |
| oku | check for updates....still no :( | 15:37 |
| oku | i'm glad they released the update before holidays as the update9 is uselees :/ | 15:38 |
| till- | actually I found update9 quite useful | 15:38 |
| oku | it's stable as windows me | 15:38 |
| SK_work | u9 improves stuff, but breaks other | 15:39 |
| oku | yep | 15:39 |
| SK_work | IIRC network stack is rather good on u9 | 15:39 |
| SK_work | hope it is better on u10 | 15:39 |
| till- | and the browser got better | 15:39 |
| oku | if they'd delayed the update, i would have reset the phone | 15:40 |
| oku | but i'm glad i don't have to | 15:40 |
| oku | ...well haven't tried the update yet so can't really tell ;) | 15:40 |
| till- | i've got almost 75% of the download.. :) | 15:41 |
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| tigeli | SK_work: it is | 15:41 |
| tigeli | SK_work: still fixes coming in u11 ;) | 15:41 |
| oku | don't do everything today so you'll have something to do tomorrow :P | 15:42 |
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| cos- | hmm, updater doesn't find u10 for some reason.. should it be available for everyone? | 15:45 |
| xfade_ | cos-: no, first ones first | 15:47 |
| anandrkris | first ones first? based on when device was bought? | 15:47 |
| xfade_ | anandrkris: owners of the first one TOH | 15:48 |
| flux | crowdfunding vs later I suppose | 15:48 |
| coderus | tigeli: repair options in recovery fixed in u10? | 15:48 |
| coderus | Jonni: ^ | 15:48 |
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| anandrkris | xfade_: hmm, we can expect in few hours i suppose | 15:50 |
| * anandrkris i hope it was not a Joke | 15:51 | |
| xfade_ | anandrkris: yes | 15:51 |
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| anandrkris | My version is Sailfish Version is 1.0.8.21..i still disabled repos in openrepos | 15:53 |
| anandrkris | its not needed..Right? (for the update i meant) | 15:53 |
| coderus | anandrkris: not needed :) | 15:54 |
| anandrkris | coderus: cool, i erred on the safer side | 15:54 |
| coderus | all user repos are automatically disabled before ssu upgrade | 15:54 |
| coderus | anandrkris: sure, it's better to be live paranoic than be dead paranoic, right? | 15:54 |
| anandrkris | coderus: ha ha...true | 15:55 |
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| Nokius_ | Hi I just played with the new lock function and I had the possibility to set Numpad when the fullkeyboard was enabled | 16:22 |
| Nokius_ | no if I press on numpad again it will have the code but I can only time numbers :) | 16:23 |
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| Nokius_ | any way to help me? | 16:25 |
| tbr | Nokius_: hmm? after reboot too? | 16:29 |
| sledges | coderus: ^ | 16:31 |
| Nokius_ | did try to reboot | 16:31 |
| Nokius_ | I don't have any patches | 16:31 |
| Nokius_ | tbr: have no intresst to lock me out again :) | 16:31 |
| Nokius_ | not sure if its a bug | 16:32 |
| xfade_ | Nokius_: go to settings -> device lock and enable the 'numeric keypad' option? | 16:32 |
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| Nokius_ | xfade_: yes I did this (and I had a alphabetic code) | 16:33 |
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| Nokius_ | when I now click on the numberic keypad option it ask for the "pin code" but I have a "alphabetic code" | 16:34 |
| xfade_ | Nokius_: type your alpha code there | 16:34 |
| xfade_ | It doesn't allow you to enable numeric keypad when you have an alpha code set. | 16:35 |
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| Nokius_ | xfade_: how I can only typ numbers | 16:36 |
| Nokius_ | xfade_: I know but I was possible to enable it | 16:36 |
| xfade_ | Nokius_: Try your previous pin code. | 16:36 |
| xfade_ | Pretty sure you didn't set your alpha code | 16:36 |
| Nokius_ | I did several times | 16:37 |
| Nokius_ | Is the a log? to check? | 16:37 |
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| giucam | given you're not locked out you probably can do something on the command line to change/reset the lock code | 16:40 |
| giucam | Jonni: ↑ | 16:40 |
| Nokius_ | luckly the device has the new if charge funcfion enable and ssh is on :) | 16:41 |
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| * louisdk is still waiting for u10. Currently on u8 and my Jolla is wearing the first one toh. | 16:42 | |
| xfade_ | louisdk: Maybe you're not trying hard enough ;) | 16:45 |
| sledges | Nokius_: /usr/lib/qt5/plugins/devicelock/encpartition --clear-code 12345 | 16:49 |
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| louisdk | xfade_, I don't think it'll help to press the "Check for updates" any harder :P | 16:50 |
| Nokius_ | sledges: mh done | 16:53 |
| sledges | Nokius_: did it work? | 16:53 |
| Nokius_ | sledges: still ask for a code I guess it has not to do so ? | 16:54 |
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| sledges | Nokius_: and you replaced 12345 with your code surely..? | 16:56 |
| Nokius_ | yes I did was julius and boom is gone so I was able to get the numpad when i had a aplapetic code | 16:57 |
| xfade_ | louisdk: But did you? :) | 16:58 |
| Nokius_ | sorry tried first the old pin and 12345 :P | 16:58 |
| sledges | did you try julius on UI? | 16:58 |
| Nokius_ | sledges: there was only the numpad I was only able to time in numbers not alphabetic carectars | 16:59 |
| sledges | Nokius_: interesting | 16:59 |
| sledges | Nokius_: reproducible? | 16:59 |
| Nokius_ | i will try have to get a camera :) | 17:00 |
| louisdk | xfade_, I have manually checked for updates multiple times yes :) | 17:00 |
| xfade_ | louisdk: but did you do that now? :) | 17:01 |
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| louisdk | xfade_, yes still no update. | 17:03 |
| Nokius_ | boom | 17:04 |
| Nokius_ | sledges: YES! | 17:04 |
| Nokius_ | give me a sec will uplode the video | 17:04 |
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| sledges | Nokius_: cool | 17:10 |
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| Nokius_ | sledges: sorry slow upload | 17:16 |
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| xfade_ | OS update now also available for u9 opt-in group | 17:17 |
| sledges | \o/ | 17:17 |
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| Nokius_ | sledges: and sorry its a MOV | 17:17 |
| sledges | Nokius_: you could just write out steps how to do it here | 17:17 |
| Acce | xfade_: thanks for the info :D | 17:18 |
| sledges | will reproduce and needs to be raised with TJC and whatnot afterwards | 17:18 |
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| Nokius_ | sledges: see the DM | 17:21 |
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| Nokius_ | sledges: also when I set a number pin I was not able to select the option | 17:25 |
| coderus | Nokius_: you can't clear you pin? | 17:26 |
| Nokius_ | coderus: thanks I got help :) | 17:27 |
| coderus | Nokius_: mind share solution? | 17:27 |
| Nokius_ | coderus: sure its in backlog :) | 17:28 |
| Nokius_ | let me check | 17:28 |
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| coderus | encpartition? | 17:28 |
| coderus | you just didnt write "it solved!" :D | 17:29 |
| Nokius_ | coderus: the problem is still there :) but I reseted the code :) | 17:29 |
| coderus | Nokius_: problem so you have only keypad active and can't use alphanumeric input? | 17:30 |
| Nokius_ | sledges: video is okay? hope so was quick one | 17:30 |
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| Nokius_ | coderus: yeap the "problem" is that I was able to active numpad option when I had a alphabetic code | 17:32 |
| Nokius_ | ah | 17:34 |
| sledges | Nokius_: i don't see the reproduction in the video (the one where yo would need to clear it via cmdline) | 17:34 |
| sledges | all works fine in that vid | 17:34 |
| sledges | it says numeric keypad can be activated when code is made of only numbers | 17:35 |
| Nokius_ | sledges: but I had set a 1:42 ah code and not a pin code | 17:36 |
| Nokius_ | and then I was able to select the option | 17:37 |
| sledges | Nokius_: ok understood | 17:38 |
| sledges | and what happened next? ;) | 17:38 |
| sledges | is when it asked to enter old code, you had only digits, instead of kbd and couldn't unlock? | 17:38 |
| sledges | because video ends at that point | 17:38 |
| Nokius_ | I had to reset it via cli | 17:38 |
| Nokius_ | sledges: sorry missed to clieck reset option | 17:39 |
| louisdk | This update seems to take a looong time installing :P | 17:40 |
| Nokius_ | sledges: new vid is on the way | 17:41 |
| sledges | Nokius_: is ok, im getting the steps to repro from your current vid | 17:41 |
| sledges | how many times do you have to change numeric<->alphanumeric until it explodes? | 17:42 |
| sledges | Nokius_: ^ | 17:42 |
| Nokius_ | oh not so gut noicy from downtown | 17:42 |
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| dpurgin | did someone already test the harbour-callrecorder with update10? I didn't have a chance yet, it is being downloaded really slowly | 17:44 |
| coderus | dpurgin: test what? using it every day and it's just working. | 17:44 |
| dpurgin | I mean the update10 that was released a couple of hours ago | 17:45 |
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| sledges | coderus: Nokius_ is just changing numeric<->alphanum couple of times, final time sets to alphanum (Numeric keypad is not pressable), then exits the devicelock page, enters it again, (numeric keypad is not pressable), changes code to numeric -> numeric keypad still not pressable(!first bug) -> changes to alphanum -> numeric keypad pressable (!bugs on) | 17:46 |
| sledges | coderus: did you reproduce it, if yes, in any easier way? | 17:47 |
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| coderus | sledges: no i can't reproduce it | 17:47 |
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| sledges | coderus: ok | 17:47 |
| coderus | i think it's better to locate systemsettings config and change code_current_is_digit_only manually | 17:47 |
| sledges | try method above, i'll report internally | 17:48 |
| sledges | 19:42 < Nokius_> oh not so gut noicy from downtown | 17:48 |
| sledges | ? | 17:48 |
| sledges | :) | 17:48 |
| Nokius_ | sounds like the WWII bomb is blown the found them earlier today thanks to this bug I was not around there has to pass this area to get a letter dropped. | 17:50 |
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| Nokius_ | better vid is uploaded | 17:51 |
| coderus | sledges: numeric still not pressable reproduced | 17:52 |
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| sledges | coderus: with exiting/entering page? | 17:53 |
| coderus | sledges: yes | 17:53 |
| sledges | ok that's the trick then, reporting bug, wonder how many would trip on this | 17:54 |
| sledges | thanks Nokius_ for finding it! | 17:54 |
| Nokius_ | wait | 17:54 |
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| coderus | sledges: now i pressed numad many times and finally i can't uncheck it | 17:55 |
| coderus | numpad* switch | 17:55 |
| Nokius_ | this time without leaving the settingpage | 17:55 |
| Nokius_ | damn no vid | 17:55 |
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| Nokius_ | sledges: ^ | 17:56 |
| sledges | so shorter way to repro is to click numpad like mad? | 17:57 |
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| Nokius_ | yes but no vid wait aaarr sec time is was not rercodring | 17:58 |
| sledges | i can't repro as my phone is with numcode i can't remember setting (maybe some nasty friends, good they set unlimited tries and "Not in use" :D) | 17:58 |
| coderus | sledges: and finally i enabled numpad sswitch when alphanum code set :D | 17:59 |
| coderus | sledges: numpad switch schange to enabled and then(!) description changed to "you can't choose this option blah-blah" | 18:00 |
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| coderus | trying to reproduce it shortly now | 18:00 |
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| Nokius_ | new vid | 18:02 |
| coderus | sledges: the method above works as i said | 18:02 |
| sledges | in/out? :)) | 18:02 |
| sledges | or many presses | 18:03 |
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| coderus | no many presses | 18:04 |
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| coderus | just wnen you first changind alphanumeric to numeric and option can't be selected to have numeric keypad you leave settings | 18:05 |
| coderus | after entering settings you cahnge code to alphanumeric and you can enable numpad now | 18:06 |
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| coderus | http://i.imgur.com/rhprXKQ.png | 18:06 |
| coderus | you can see enabled numpad switch and description text above, means i have alphanumeric code set | 18:07 |
| coderus | need hotfix :D | 18:08 |
| sledges | coderus: but how to quickest arrive to the "first changind alphanumeric to numeric and option can't be selected to have numeric keypad" ? | 18:09 |
| coderus | sledges: well, you have alphanumeric - change it to 12345 - you can't select numpad keypad, then reopen settings, change to alphanumeric and you can select numpad keypad now. | 18:13 |
| coderus | sledges: if you can select numpad on first step, reopen settings, change to alphanumeric and change to numeric without closing app, you can't enable numpad. goto 1 | 18:14 |
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| coderus | should i record some video also? | 18:14 |
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| coderus | sledges: and now, you can just sit in ddevicelock settings page and change code from alphanum to num and back | 18:19 |
| coderus | and at sone iteration you won't be able to select numpad when have numeric code, or able to choose numpad when have alphanumeric code | 18:19 |
| coderus | it's slightly random | 18:19 |
| coderus | but you can reproduce it just changing your code num-alphanum couple of times | 18:20 |
| locusf | theres already someone who has locked himself out of his Jolla on twitter | 18:20 |
| coderus | i can reproduce it every 1-3 iteration | 18:20 |
| Nokius_ | DAMN! | 18:21 |
| Nokius_ | sledges: the new video shows how easy it is! | 18:23 |
| coderus | yeah, it's very easy :) | 18:24 |
| sledges | locusf: link? | 18:24 |
| locusf | sledges: https://twitter.com/Tatuliini/status/545636764963323904 | 18:25 |
| Nokius_ | atm a better vid | 18:25 |
| Nokius_ | uploading | 18:25 |
| Nokius_ | got a better setup | 18:25 |
| sledges | so the trick is to touch some other controls in that page | 18:32 |
| sledges | like you did for number of retries | 18:32 |
| coderus | sledges: no | 18:33 |
| coderus | sledges: it doesnt matter | 18:33 |
| coderus | sledges: just change numeric - alphanumeric until bug | 18:33 |
| sledges | and it's pretty random apparently | 18:34 |
| coderus | 1-3 tries for me | 18:34 |
| coderus | very frequently | 18:34 |
| sledges | is there a 100% reproducible sequence, Nokius_ ? | 18:34 |
| coderus | sledges: i mean you just change your code from numeric to alphanumeric and dont touch anything | 18:35 |
| sledges | ok | 18:35 |
| sledges | Nokius_: can you confirm? | 18:35 |
| coderus | change back from alpha to numeric | 18:35 |
| coderus | change back | 18:35 |
| Nokius_ | 100% not sure | 18:35 |
| coderus | and every 1- 3 tries bug happening | 18:35 |
| sledges | Nokius_: only one way to find out ;) | 18:35 |
| Nokius_ | not sure if its 100% reproducible | 18:36 |
| coderus | i will update my girlfriend phone to u10 soon and can try with second phone :) | 18:36 |
| sledges | Nokius_: 20:35 < coderus> sledges: i mean you just change your code from numeric to alphanumeric and dont touch anything | 18:37 |
| sledges | 20:35 < coderus> change back from alpha to numeric | 18:38 |
| sledges | 20:35 < coderus> change back | 18:38 |
| sledges | rinse repeat | 18:38 |
| sledges | :) | 18:38 |
| Nokius_ | it is reproducible but it is not all the time happening | 18:39 |
| coderus | yes | 18:39 |
| coderus | for me its every 1 - 3 change | 18:39 |
| Nokius_ | form 3 time in row than one time no effect | 18:40 |
| Nokius_ | the row was after reset via cli | 18:40 |
| Nokius_ | will try it now with rest via cli and reboot | 18:41 |
| coderus | i never reseted code, i just changed switch back. | 18:42 |
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| Nokius_ | coderus: btw. do you use the new when charge stay on feature? | 18:44 |
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| coderus | Nokius_: no | 18:48 |
| coderus | Nokius_: it doesn't matter | 18:48 |
| coderus | it can't have affect :) | 18:48 |
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| Nokius_ | ah have 6min joy but wrong view i hate this fruit | 18:50 |
| Nokius_ | sledges: shows that it happen more often | 18:53 |
| Nokius_ | give me 6 min | 18:53 |
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| LarstiQ | o | 19:04 |
| LarstiQ | meh | 19:04 |
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| Nokius_ | *have to reboot* | 19:15 |
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| Nokius | oh the Media-share Keyboard bug is still in U10 :-/ | 19:31 |
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| ln- | if a localized text is too long to fit into a button or other component, is that mainly the fault of 1) the localization, 2) the software developer, 3) the implementation of the ui component? | 19:37 |
| Nokius | ln- you talk to me? | 19:41 |
| ln- | no, but if you have an opinion on this, let's hear it. | 19:41 |
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| Armadillo | ln- 2 and/or 3 | 19:54 |
| Armadillo | 2 if the developer didn't use the possibility of hiding the not fitting text or 3 if the component does not allow to control the text behaviour | 19:55 |
| ln- | yeah, i agree, although other opinions are possible | 20:00 |
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| broth | hello guys | 20:30 |
| Yaniel | hey | 20:30 |
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| broth | i just read a really great news (sailfish os update for jolla) | 20:33 |
| Yaniel | yup, running it atm | 20:33 |
| Yaniel | smooth as butter | 20:33 |
| broth | uhm, seems not yet available on my device | 20:35 |
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| broth | maybe delays on some countries | 20:36 |
| Gigadoc2 | wut, updates? | 20:36 |
| Gigadoc2 | ah, rollout was delayed because of a newfound bug | 20:36 |
| Yaniel | first to first ones, then to early adopters (opt-in), then to the rest afaik | 20:36 |
| Gigadoc2 | yes, but this time the rollout actually got stalled completely: https://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-software-version-11126-vaarainjarvi/ | 20:38 |
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| Yaniel | gotta update again soon'ish the it seems | 20:41 |
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| Morpog_PC | sounds like hotfix time soon ;) | 20:43 |
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| Nokius | gn8 | 20:54 |
| cos- | long thursday night for sailors | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | cos-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_mPrhwpZ-8 | 20:55 |
| stephg | alphanumeric lockscreens notwithstanding, u10 is great guys, thank you very much | 20:56 |
| cos- | i also managed to upgrade and didn't notice any issues | 20:57 |
| petantik | worst case scenario. disable the feature. | 20:57 |
| petantik | if possible | 20:57 |
| salyavin | Maybe a tweet would reach some not on irc or together to know about that alphanumeric lock but otherwise seems nice so far. Thanks for posting about the issue quickly | 20:58 |
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| petantik | So even though the roll out was stopped, I checked for updates and it seemed available. | 21:00 |
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| * stephg really should be working, but peeks into the rabbit hole that is building facter and puppet | 21:22 | |
| Gigadoc2 | I just read that the Jolla has a locked bootloader since quite some time, is there still away to backup your phone? | 21:23 |
| lukdirtwalker | hehe so one shouldn't release updates before christmas :P | 21:24 |
| coderus | Gigadoc2: you can unlock it entering recovery mode and choosing "Unlock bootloader" Option :) | 21:24 |
| Gigadoc2 | coderus, ah, thanks | 21:24 |
| Gigadoc2 | the merproject wiki is not quite up to date then | 21:25 |
| coderus | well, first one or two firmwares had unlocked bootloader, next one have locked bootloader by default, but there is an default option in default bootloader to unlock it for free without credit card and sending sms :) | 21:26 |
| coderus | thats it | 21:26 |
| coderus | next ones* | 21:26 |
| coderus | default option in default recovery* | 21:26 |
| coderus | it's time to sleep, my first half of brain stopped working :) | 21:27 |
| stephg | niight! | 21:27 |
| coderus | btw, should i release patch for devicelock settings to fix that bug? :D | 21:28 |
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| zetaz | hello | 21:35 |
| zetaz | Is there someone with good knowledge of the notification mechanisms for voice mails ? I have this issue : https://together.jolla.com/question/8779/no-notification-when-new-voicemail/ | 21:35 |
| zetaz | that is opened since January. | 21:36 |
| zetaz | I was wondering if a hack can be done somehow while waiting for a complete fix, like an independant program getting that information directly from the low level components (Mer/Nemo I think) and outputing a simple notification | 21:37 |
| zetaz | but I don't know where to start looking at in all those stacks, daemons or logs... | 21:37 |
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| coderus | sledges: Nokius http://paste.ubuntu.com/9563904/ | 22:00 |
| coderus | this workaround helped me | 22:00 |
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| sledges | coderus: thanks, is there no way you can break it now? | 22:01 |
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| coderus | sledges: yep | 22:02 |
| coderus | i can't reproduce it anymore | 22:02 |
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| coderus | but it does nothing | 22:02 |
| coderus | i mean my patch | 22:02 |
| coderus | probably just a placebo for device | 22:03 |
| sledges | thanks, we won't forget your suggestion and test more, it's about race condition | 22:03 |
| coderus | but my device believes it's actualy panacea | 22:03 |
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| sledges | the fix is in the works, just bear with us, doing best here:) and so much thanks for detecting it, Nokius & coderus ! | 22:03 |
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| coderus | i debugged, setCurrentIsDigitOnly is called with right parameters, but codeCurrentIsDigitOnly not changed when bug occurs | 22:07 |
| coderus | so it's really DeviceLockSettings internals | 22:07 |
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| sledges | yes, the fix we're working looks more profound | 22:11 |
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| Gigadoc2 | before i start the backup of my jolla, can anyone give me an estimate of the time it takes to read the whole flash? | 22:17 |
| sledges | Gigadoc2: backup takes only some data from it, not all flash | 22:17 |
| Gigadoc2 | I am talking about dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/mnt/backup.img within recovery (/mnt is a big microsd) | 22:18 |
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| Gigadoc2 | though this reminds me, FAT32 does not support such big files… | 22:18 |
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| M4rtinK | Gigadoc2: mount something over ssh | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | Gigadoc2: and pipe dd to a lopp file on it | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | Gigadoc2: *loop file | 22:20 |
| Gigadoc2 | M4rtinK, the jolla recovery has ssh? | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK | Gigadoc2: oh, you are doing it from recovery | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK | then no idea | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, for inspiration, something like this might be the best bet: | 22:22 |
| Gigadoc2 | Wait, I can just do this from the running system, right? | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK | dd if=/dev/hda conv=sync,noerror bs=64K | gzip -c > /mnt/sda1/hda.img.gz | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK | well, not sure how consistent it will be | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK | if the system is still running and writing stuff | 22:22 |
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| M4rtinK | maybe just rsync it ? | 22:23 |
| Gigadoc2 | Since I want to backup the qualcomm stuff too, rsync is not the right tool | 22:23 |
| Gigadoc2 | but I can just backup my SD and then reformat it with ext4 or something | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK | so format your micro to ext4 :) | 22:24 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 22:24 |
| Gigadoc2 | btw, do you have an idea how long copying the whole flash will take? the jolla recovery doesn't seem to support multiple sessions, so i cannot USR1-kill dd | 22:25 |
| M4rtinK | Gigadoc2: I'm afraid I don't really know | 22:26 |
| M4rtinK | but I guess that "pipe it through gzip" trick might help (or not :) ) | 22:26 |
| M4rtinK | maybe just copy a small part and check the transfer speed ? | 22:27 |
| M4rtinK | to gen an overall idea | 22:27 |
| coderus | Gigadoc2: i backed up my phome in half of hour or so | 22:27 |
| Gigadoc2 | the main btrfs volume will be quite incompressible, though the other parts (specifically the ones containing zeroes) will be better | 22:27 |
| Gigadoc2 | coderus, thanks, this should be fast enough | 22:28 |
| coderus | but i did it with ssh, not recovery | 22:28 |
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| M4rtinK | btw does btrfs have something like the xfs freeze feature ? | 22:29 |
| Gigadoc2 | coderus, okay, but my sd is not THAT slow (class 10), so it should be doable under two hours | 22:29 |
| M4rtinK | (https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/xfsfreeze.html) | 22:29 |
| Gigadoc2 | M4rtinK, what does xfs freeze do? | 22:29 |
| Gigadoc2 | ah | 22:29 |
| M4rtinK | you tell the filesystem to "suspend" all write (or maybe even read ?) operations | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK | so you can make a block level snapshot | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK | and you can unfreeze it once done | 22:30 |
| coderus | 14GB, with 2-3MB/s, it takes about 1-2 hour | 22:30 |
| coderus | with 6MB/s it takes half of hour :) | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, looks like it just freezes write activity | 22:31 |
| Gigadoc2 | M4rtinK, you can just make a readonly snapshot, and delete it afterwards | 22:31 |
| Gigadoc2 | btrfs subvolume create -r $SUBVOLUME $NEW_SUBVOLUME | 22:31 |
| Gigadoc2 | if you omit the -r, you can even get yourself a writable snapshot ;) | 22:32 |
| M4rtinK | Gigadoc2: yeah, but can you get a block level snapshot out of it ? | 22:32 |
| M4rtinK | Gigadoc2: but I guess a file level one might be enough | 22:32 |
| Gigadoc2 | it only affects the selected subvolume, but for that it works on block-level | 22:32 |
| M4rtinK | oh, nice :) | 22:32 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, haven't known about this: | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | "The xfs_freeze utility can also be used to freeze or unfreeze an ext3, ext4, GFS2, XFS, and BTRFS, file system. The syntax for doing so is the same." | 22:33 |
| Gigadoc2 | nice | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | that's some crazy stuff :D | 22:33 |
| Gigadoc2 | but i don't yet know the sailfishos subvolume structure, and subvolume actions do NOT recurse, so you would need to snapshot all the subvolumes ;) | 22:33 |
| stephg | Gigadoc2: why are you wanting to back up, if it's for brickish things you only need the first one | 22:34 |
| M4rtinK | personally the more I learn about btrfs, the less I'm willing to use it anywhere :) | 22:34 |
| stephg | (well I guess the factory ones) | 22:36 |
| Gigadoc2 | M4rtinK, I am actually quite fascinated by it, and am using it everywhere. Once you understand the difference to non cow filesystems, and the difference to ZFS, it becomes quite useful ;) | 22:36 |
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| Gigadoc2 | stephg, what do you mean with the first one? I am backing up for the sake of having backups, not planning anything | 22:37 |
| salyavin | CoreOS seems to be removing btrfs from default https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/coreos-dev/NDEOXchAbuU | 22:37 |
| stephg | well there's is the factory snapshot which is what gets restored when you do a reset | 22:37 |
| salyavin | it's fun Gigadoc2 but need to deal with things like metadata and such balancing is a problem on servers. | 22:38 |
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| salyavin | I do have btrfs only on a personal server. | 22:38 |
| salyavin | zfs at least works reliably without manual intervension ;P | 22:38 |
| M4rtinK | Gigadoc2: oh it is of course fascinating, but too fascinating to entrust my data to it :) | 22:38 |
| stephg | if you're backing your own files up that's no use, if you're worried about recovering from some sort of brick situation it would be | 22:38 |
| Gigadoc2 | stephg, all i know, the factory reset is just resetting your btfs volume to a specific snapshot | 22:38 |
| stephg | yes | 22:38 |
| stephg | hence asking exactly why you want to have the backup | 22:38 |
| Gigadoc2 | M4rtinK, salyavin: what i was going to say next: you need to do manual maintainance of btrfs filesystems. So it is not quite the best choice for mobile devices and such | 22:39 |
| Gigadoc2 | stephg, having a full backup in case the btrfs filesystem breaks, ore one of the other partitions get damaged | 22:39 |
| coderus | sledges: currentIsDigitOnlyChanged not emitted :) | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | Gigadoc2: yep, and it is mostly related to space usage | 22:40 |
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| Gigadoc2 | I am having backups of everything | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | if you actually start suing the various btrfs features, it is very hard to get any idea of free and occupied space | 22:40 |
| Gigadoc2 | I am even having backups of my external harddrives on different harddrives | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | and df returning bogus numbers on btrfs is not helping things :) | 22:41 |
| stephg | the only issue I have had (and I've not done a reset on this device since xmas day last year) is the occasional balance due to metadata space exhaustion | 22:41 |
| Gigadoc2 | M4rtinK, yes, but regularly balancing block with <50% usage or something "defragments" the filesystem | 22:41 |
| M4rtinK | suing -> using | 22:41 |
| Gigadoc2 | s/block/blocks/ | 22:41 |
| salyavin | btrfs fi df / | 22:41 |
| salyavin | not so hard | 22:41 |
| salyavin | regular df does NOT work | 22:41 |
| salyavin | Data: total=1.81TB, used=1.51TB | 22:42 |
| salyavin | System, DUP: total=32.00MB, used=288.00KB | 22:42 |
| salyavin | Metadata, DUP: total=16.00GB, used=4.34GB | 22:42 |
| salyavin | : total=512.00MB, used=0.00 | 22:42 |
| salyavin | looks like this | 22:42 |
| M4rtinK | Gigadoc2: still, that means you 1) can use about 7 GB max of storage in the Jollas case 2) you *don't* want to let it fail midway | 22:42 |
| M4rtinK | considering balance has been reported to run for multiple days (on PCs though) in some case, this could be an issue on a battery powered device :) | 22:43 |
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| salyavin | yes indeed M4rtinK | 22:43 |
| M4rtinK | and all those "balance segfaulted/kernell oops during balance one sees on the btrfs mailing list is not helping :) | 22:43 |
| Gigadoc2 | M4rtinK, full balance, but not filtered balance | 22:44 |
| stephg | well you'd be nuts to do a balance without being plugged into power | 22:44 |
| stephg | anyway with that, good night everyone | 22:44 |
| Gigadoc2 | good night stephg | 22:44 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, any idea if balance has come fail-safes ? | 22:44 |
| M4rtinK | like rollback/transactions ? | 22:44 |
| salyavin | "regular user" will have no idea what btrfs balance is. No fun for them. btrfs looks so awesome on paper though | 22:45 |
| Gigadoc2 | salyavin, that's why i consider it the wrong FS for anything not managed by an administrator | 22:45 |
| M4rtinK | salyavin: yeah, that's for sure - the aims of the project are nice | 22:45 |
| Gigadoc2 | M4rtinK, what do you mean, if you can rollback a balance? | 22:45 |
| M4rtinK | but the current implementation has many issues | 22:45 |
| Gigadoc2 | yes, but not as much as some people want you to believe ;) | 22:46 |
| M4rtinK | Gigadoc2: yeah, even with a LVM thin pool you need to watch for pool space exhaustion | 22:46 |
| Gigadoc2 | it's inherent to COW-filesystems and the like | 22:47 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, what I mean - if device crashes/runs out of power during balance, will the btrfs filesystem be 100% hosed ? | 22:47 |
| stephg | M4rtinK: not 100% | 22:47 |
| stephg | I've had a reboot during a balance | 22:47 |
| salyavin | hmmm well on a server I can rescue it in almost all cases. phone I have less options if things go nasty | 22:47 |
| salyavin | yea not 100% by any means | 22:48 |
| salyavin | I'd give you a good chance of being OK actually maybe 4 in 5 | 22:48 |
| Gigadoc2 | stephg, interesting, but should btrfs balance not write before deletion by default? | 22:48 |
| salyavin | We're also on 3.4.98 kernel, the newer the kernel the better for that filesystem. I had trouble with 3.17 though but 3.18 fixed it. | 22:50 |
| Gigadoc2 | but yeah, recovery options are still quite limited. it's slowly getting better though | 22:50 |
| salyavin | sometimes you have to mount with a special option to copy your data off and redo the filesystem. | 22:51 |
| salyavin | that's be something like a hard power off | 22:51 |
| Gigadoc2 | while defragmenting, i hope | 22:52 |
| salyavin | more resilient these days and we do have a few limited tools. you can zero the log too | 22:52 |
| Gigadoc2 | my BTRFS-powered laptop survived quite a lot of hard power-offs ;) | 22:52 |
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| salyavin | I haven't had a loss in a while but in earlier days I had to do some nasty stuff to try to get data access back after hard poewr offs | 22:53 |
| Gigadoc2 | the irony about it is, the BTRFS structure has so many opportunities for repairing your filesytem or restoring deleted files, but nobody writes tools for it | 22:53 |
| salyavin | lost 5 or 6 times | 22:53 |
| salyavin | well damaged | 22:53 |
| salyavin | yea theoretically btrfs should be awesome | 22:54 |
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| Gigadoc2 | well, if it works, it usually is^^ | 22:55 |
| Gigadoc2 | until something breaks | 22:55 |
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| salyavin | yea | 22:55 |
| salyavin | ext4 lacks so many features by comparison and while unlikely can have silent data corruption | 22:55 |
| salyavin | btrfs has so much but still isn't there | 22:56 |
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| salyavin | You would think more enterprise companies would put some resources into it | 22:57 |
| Gigadoc2 | everytime i do a "balance -dusage=50 -musage=50" followed by "fstrim /" i feel like I'm not sitting in front of a 3-drive notebook, but a 15-drive fileserver :D | 22:57 |
| Gigadoc2 | (and my notebook doens't even do raid or something) | 22:58 |
| salyavin | I'd love it to kill veritas volume manager | 22:58 |
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| salyavin | that damn thing has trouble recovering without help all too often | 22:59 |
| m4g0g | hi | 22:59 |
| Gigadoc2 | hello, m4g0g | 22:59 |
| m4g0g | How I can open page from attached page but show it before attached page? | 22:59 |
| salyavin | I don't quite understand the question ^-^;; | 23:00 |
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| m4g0g | I have found solution. Thx | 23:00 |
| salyavin | great | 23:01 |
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| Gigadoc2 | SanDisk microSD adapters are dangerous, mine had a bent pin, and did almost fry my precious microSD | 23:06 |
| Gigadoc2 | cheap Kingston hardware to the rescue! | 23:07 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: using replace instead of push? :D | 23:27 |
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