Wednesday, 2014-12-31

saidinesh5sandsmark: that also doesnt explainn why their hello world plugin doesnt work properly00:00
sandsmarkah, I need hunspell?00:00
sandsmarkI thought I had hunspell00:00
saidinesh5to compile yes00:00
saidinesh5and who doesnt havve hunspell00:00
sandsmarkextra/hunspell 1.3.3-1 [installed]00:00
sandsmarkI need to CONFIG+=hunspell manually apparentl00:01
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saidinesh5i did that too afaik00:01
blackdukeI guys00:01
saidinesh5sup blackduke00:02
blackdukenewbie here for the sailfishos pretty excited by what it can do and being able to port it across to my Huawei00:02
Yaniellachs0r: looks like it varies a lot between people00:02
Yanielfrom about what I have with these to they-really-disappeared-completely deep00:03
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Yanielanyway, nice chatting and I'm off for tonight00:04
blackdukeanyone else ported across to different hardware?00:04
Yanielblackduke: there is #sailfishos-porters dedicated to that00:05
blackdukeOK cool, thanks for that00:05
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: ok, their works00:15
sandsmarkI'll try to look more at it tomorrow...00:15
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sandsmarkor rather do something more useful :p00:15
sandsmarknow that everything seems to work00:15
saidinesh5but our plugin still doesnt work right?00:15
sandsmarkit shows up00:15
saidinesh5Also it does?//00:15
saidinesh5any patches to maliit-framework?00:16
sandsmarknot any needed00:16
sandsmarkonly need to patch my stupidity00:16
saidinesh5let me test it out then00:17
saidinesh5hmm.. making maliit-framework00:20
saidinesh5sandsmark: its not showing for me00:23
sandsmarksure it isn't just taking a long time?00:24
saidinesh5oh wait..00:24
saidinesh5WARNING: qrc:///qml/main.qml:2:1: module "QtQuick.Window" is not installed00:24
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saidinesh5i think i have to install some stuff00:27
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saidinesh5sandsmark: nope00:34
saidinesh5no luck00:34
saidinesh5any patches to skeyer itself?00:34
saidinesh5i do get this though00:34
saidinesh5WARNING: An inactive plugin is misbehaving - tried to show a window!00:34
saidinesh5and i built maliit-framework from upstream00:34
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w00tsaidinesh5: if you're trying to build a custom maliit-framework on sailfish, then you will need to start from the nemo-packaged one, as there's a few patches required01:23
* saidinesh5 looks01:24
saidinesh5yup looking at it..01:25
saidinesh5w00t: weirdly enough the maliit plugin was working sailfish without much tinkering..01:26
w00tsaidinesh5: it will kind of work, using the wayland IM plugin, but that isn't really tested at all and has some bugs lurking01:27
saidinesh5so lipstick is analogus to mer?01:28
w00tthe lipstick "platform" is a simple hack that was done back before wayland had proper IM support, it should go away someday01:28
saidinesh5w00t: i had to write a similar platform plugin for mer...01:28
saidinesh5Ahh i see01:28
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saidinesh5hmm.... not sure if i see any magic commits here that might help us.. this only means one thing. clone quickinputplugin properly ...... (<- sandsmark)01:33
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saidinesh5okay Zzzzzz time now. nini w00t01:39
w00tthe differing platform I would suspect will be causing you problems. worth a shot :)01:40
saidinesh5could be.. but also we were setting the geometry in the constructor.... which apparently is not the way of the maliit01:41
saidinesh5w00t: that reminds me..01:41
saidinesh5why are the maliit plugins trying to use d pointer?01:41
saidinesh5any idea?01:41
w00twhat do you mean01:42
saidinesh5like i dont see any good reason for that there..01:42
w00tas in, why the plugins themselves do? consistency, probably01:42
w00tonce you get in the habit of doing it, you tend to do it without thinking01:42
w00tand it does have advantages other than binary compatibility01:42
saidinesh5lesser compile time?01:42
w00tyes (if your class internals are in a seperate header file, or in the cpp file, then changing it means you only rebuild the stuff actually touching the implementation)01:42
saidinesh5yeah .. but dunno that code seemed overly complex.. so was curious01:43
saidinesh5well overly complex or underdocumented :P01:43
saidinesh5laters :)01:48
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lachs0rmeh, gstreamer can’t handle wavpack properly and tracker doesn’t read apev2 tags08:32
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lachs0rand rather than ignoring files it doesn’t support, I’ve now got thousands of files with no metadata and completely random durations in the media app08:35
lachs0rI was half expecting it to play ear destroying noise but at least it doesn’t attempt to play any08:35
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lbtlachs0r: src here : send a PR10:11
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billtuxhi all :) just ordered myself a shiney new jolla phone10:39
Stskeepscool :)10:39
Stskeepsthank you for helping pay our paychecks and such10:39
billtuxha. Is there a centeral forum/community site?10:40 is one at least10:40
tadzikbilltux, welcome :)10:40
Morpog_PCbilltux, also (non official)10:41
Stskeepsalso for blog stuf10:41
Morpog_PCand sites like and thejollablog.com10:42
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billtuxcheers. See the SDK just creating a project to play around with it. What arch is the jolla? Seems to be 2 when i go to create a project11:23
kimmoliarm for device, 486 for emulator11:23
billtuxah nice cheers11:23
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Yanieldevice is armv7hl11:31
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r0kk3rzbuild a toh with a better DAC and pre-amp11:35
r0kk3rzhmm, i should probably scroll down before commenting11:36
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Yanielthat would be cool though11:39
Yanielkimmoli? :P11:39
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kimmolineed the spi from sdcard then11:40
Yanieland analog volume control maybe11:40
r0kk3rzyeah i2c probably doesnt have enough bandwidth11:43
urjamanI'd like an amp you jumper from the phone output + analog volume wheel for it ... but i guess my TOH-place will be busy enough with the kbd11:43
r0kk3rzyeah that would be doable, looks like you can get amp ICs with i2c controls11:48
r0kk3rzso you can control from an app,11:48
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r0kk3rzi think dirk has already made a prototype of such11:49
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kimmolino i2c there ...11:50
kimmolijust audio from headphonejack + amp + speakers (iirc)11:50
entilurjaman: you can pull off the keyboard and make a magnetic other toh ;P11:50
urjamanyeah and i dunno why you'd need I2C control when you've got an analog volume wheel (that was kinda the point) :P11:50
entil(the term othertoh for magnetic halves should be a real thing ;P)11:51
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r0kk3rzanalog wheel would be pretty bulky11:53
r0kk3rzyou could use an ipod style clickwheel11:54
urjamanhow do i disable this lowmemorykiller? ... its being annoying for my current purpose :P11:57
Stskeepsjust remember that sometimes a device is -actually- out of memory..11:58
urjamanit seems to be an add-on to the normal really-out-of-memory killer11:58
Yanielthere is a post on tjc about it11:58
Stskeepsso it gets into a cycle where it pushes out data and drags them in constantly11:58
Stskeepswhich is not nice for anybody11:58
urjamanyeah but i want to compile this file, dont kill my cc1 when there would've been lots of swap free... it just didnt have time to push it to swap11:59
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urjamantheres a tjc post about the real OOM killer, but didnt find one for this U10 thing...12:01
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urjamannow found one ...12:03
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urjamanbut without any info on how do i disable that, geeze...12:04
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Stskeepsit's always a balancing. do you want to have your wife reliably able to call you under memory pressure? :P12:05
urjamanfound the android kernel plugin sources... i guess i'll figure it out12:07
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urjamanalso, nobody calls me12:07
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urjamani adjusted the thresholds to be less aggressive12:12
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flwittmannonStatusChanged is not triggered when returning to page from cover? How do I implement a action that is called when I click on my app cover and return to my app12:16
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urjamanyay, it compiled that file :P12:19
Armadilloflwittmann I'm using this:
flwittmannArmadillo thanks!12:19
urjamanrequired only some 850M of virtual memory (500M of resident for cc1 and most of swap used) to do that12:20
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r0kk3rzmaybe an idea not to kill the current task?12:47
r0kk3rzif many tasks sure kill a few, but if you're only running one task maybe leave it a bit longer before killing12:48
r0kk3rzor instead of preemptively killing, only kill upon incoming call (if possible)12:48
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SaberAltriaIs TabView {  } available in SailfishOs SDK?13:02
SaberAltriaimport QtQuick.Controls 1.0 doesn't exist for me13:03
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flwittmannCan I read other apps databases to create an import function for a new app?15:16
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flwittmannAnd if yes, is it possible in a harbour valid way?15:16
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akloudhi all!16:00
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Nc_Anyone tried using QXMPP on SailfishOS?16:08
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akloudhow do I invoke a method of a C++ class in QML? do I have to instantiate the class somehow?16:32
r0kk3rzakloud: theres a few methods, you can register the type, or register an object16:32
r0kk3rzor set a context property16:33
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akloudr0kk3rz: thanks, that is a great link!16:36
r0kk3rzmight be worth doing up a blog post about it, seems to be a fairly common question16:37
r0kk3rzas which method is best really depends on what you're trying to throw into QML land16:38
akloudactually, for someone not that familiar with QT it is not that obvious how to link QML and C++16:38
akloudI just want to know where to put my application logic.16:39
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akloudif I got it right one could compare QML to XAML in WPF and then C++ to C#. he difference is only that it appears to be much tighter integrated in the winsucks world.16:40
r0kk3rzi like QML better tan WPF16:41
r0kk3rzand its also got a JS engine so you can do some cool UI stuff if you want to16:41
r0kk3rzagain, it really depends on what your app does, but I would try and keep most of the logic in C++16:42
akloudI hate XAML, so QML appears to be a kinda nice approach to GUI development.  we will see how far it takes me16:42
r0kk3rzQML is obscenely easy to learn and very powerful16:42
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r0kk3rzthe syntax is so easy to read compared to the XML syntax of XAML16:43
akloudok, thx for the hint.16:43
akloudI fully agree!16:43
r0kk3rzim fairly new to both QT and XAML, but unfortunately my new job requires me to learn XAML16:44
r0kk3rzbut its painful, because i know how good QML is16:44
akloudsandsmark: thx! will read that...16:44
sandsmarkakloud: in general the Qt documentation is really excellent16:45
sandsmarkcompared to pretty much any other library or framework I've used16:45
sandsmarkand it is usually pretty succinct, some documentation (especially for java stuff..) is overly verbose16:45
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akloudr0kk3rz: well, the WYSISWYG part is something you will love, but as long as you stick to your pattern of putting the logic in the C# world it is a highly productive way of programming.16:46
r0kk3rzthe XAML UIs in my works application dont render in the Designer16:47
r0kk3rzand MVC is how ive always structured applications16:47
akloudI just used QT in the past (by linking against it) but never used all the framework elements for my development. so I am really starting from 016:47
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Nc_building, getting error "Unknown module(s) in QT: testlib" - anyone happen to know what package that library might be in? (tried installed a few plausible ones, so far no luck)16:48
akloudbut I really have to admit that the community is very helpful, so it is really a pleasure to learn this stuff besides the job and family.16:50
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r0kk3rzakloud: theres also plenty of open source apps to learn from16:51
akloudyes, but I am still feeling around where everything is hosted.16:53
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akloudyou siren example was a real kick start! thanks, I got it to work!17:05
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akloudI've heard something about harbour and dbus. would there be a problem if I would like to provide an app via harbour which uses dbus to e.g. enable(disable wifi connection?17:09
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akloudbtw, which QT version is actually used for developing?17:12
tigeliakloud: What D-Bus API's can I use?17:12
akloudtigeli: thx!17:12
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tigeliD-Bus APIs generally are available to you if you have the right to access them from your application without raising the applications privileges. The PackageKit D-Bus API is the one big exception there at the moment. See question above.17:12
akloudtigeli: wow, there is so much to learn... thx!17:17
kimmoliakloud: have been here for year now, and i dont know a sh*t yet - but learning slowly17:18
kimmolione annoying is that there is so many ways to do things, specially if you learn them by trial-error way, then someone directs you to a different way (maybe correct, dunno)17:18
akloudkimmoli: yep, there is that nice noto youtube vid, but it would be extremely helpful to have something covering the steps like download sdk, install, build HelloWorld, run on emulator, now run on your Jolla phone, if you want to proceed, create new app named harbour-yourstuff, how to publish it to harbour etc.17:23
akloudit is very difficult for me to get the big picture17:23
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kimmolibut you just wrote it ? :)17:24
akloudkimmoli: got it... :-]17:25
kimmoliif going for harbour-, use the SDK harbour tools validator17:26
TemeVit seems I chose a good time to give up on developing telegram for Jolla :)17:27
r0kk3rzkimmoli: well you're an EE by trade arent you? you're a pretty decent programmer for an EE anyway :P17:27
kimmolir0kk3rz: :)17:28
kimmolionly what i have learned during a year17:29
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akloudgtg, thanks for your help guys!17:30
r0kk3rzTemeV: from the comments that looks like a Mitakuuluu fork17:32
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TemeVoh, I didn't read the comments. Well, I was also going to use qml from Mitäkuuluu :)17:49
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* Nokius__ happy new year @ everone 18:15
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saidinesh5sandsmark: just a heads up.. almost done implementing that geometry container too19:16
saidinesh5KeyboardContainer i mean19:16
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saidinesh5sandsmark:  i think you will like this commit.. check out the demo once :P21:30
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jcbjoeHappy New Year My finnish Brothers and Sisters!!23:03
qt_junkiejcbjoe: Jippii, may sailfishos see many more years to come.23:05
jcbjoeim on amazon uk trying to purchase this jolla phone23:06
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jwalckhappy new year sailors!23:46
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