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| noch | my sailfish upgrade is in "downloading" state for whole night. i believe my connection is enough to download 1.5 gb data. may it be it says "downloading" but actually it performs fs optimizations? | 03:06 |
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| _inte_ | hello | 06:51 |
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| vakkov | Is there a shareUI (from harmattan) equivalent in sailfishos | 07:19 |
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| chriadam | vakkov: https://together.jolla.com/question/18536/is-there-any-social-sharing-api/ although I don't know whether Harbour rules allow it at this point in time. | 07:22 |
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| vakkov | chriadam: thanks | 07:24 |
| chriadam | np | 07:24 |
| pykape | chriadam: thanks, wish that Jolla would unleash all the fun stuff | 07:25 |
| pykape | it's been too long already everything is banned, even the rumbler, I've asked it to be allowed for harbour but to no avail | 07:25 |
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| chriadam | vibra needs to be allowed. I'm surprised it's not. | 07:26 |
| _inte_ | I only just realized that im missing some CAs in /etc/ssl/certs, namely the jolla-ca.pem and the sailfish-ca.pem, leading to 1efa9b96.0, b5d20e89.0 and ce4bf450.0 pointing to nowhere | 07:27 |
| _inte_ | could that explain pkcon behaving strange? | 07:27 |
| pykape | chriadam: it sure does! and is not atm | 07:28 |
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| _inte_ | can i ask anyone here for a favor? Does anyone here have jolla-ca.pem and/or sailfish-ca.pem in /etc/ssl/certs ? | 07:31 |
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| chriadam | _inte_: probably best off asking Jolla Care | 07:32 |
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| _inte_ | just call "ls /etc/ssl/certs/"|grep *pem | 07:32 |
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| _inte_ | chriadam: I would ask in tjc but my account is still broken | 07:32 |
| Coolgeek | _inte_: I have them | 07:33 |
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| _inte_ | wow | 07:33 |
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| _inte_ | I dont | 07:33 |
| _inte_ | could that explain pkcon not working anymore? | 07:34 |
| _inte_ | Coolgeek: or are you a Sailor and those are needed for internal use? | 07:34 |
| Coolgeek | a Sailor ? | 07:34 |
| Coolgeek | I'm just a basic jolla phone user | 07:35 |
| Coolgeek | who got his phone no a month ago :p | 07:35 |
| Coolgeek | not* | 07:35 |
| _inte_ | I guess Sailor is the term applied for people working for Jolla :) | 07:35 |
| Coolgeek | and still in the stable release of sailfishOS | 07:35 |
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| _inte_ | however, since zypper still works fine i hardly doubt the pkcon problem being related to missing certs | 07:41 |
| _inte_ | is there any official way to download these two certs? | 07:42 |
| _inte_ | rpm -qf wouldnt tell me to which package they belong | 07:42 |
| _inte_ | ha! | 07:44 |
| _inte_ | just found the cas in /usr/share/ssu | 07:44 |
| Coolgeek | it's in the package "jolla-ca" | 07:44 |
| Coolgeek | rpm -qf says me : jolla-ca-0.4-10.3.1.jolla.noarch | 07:45 |
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| daitheflu | hi | 07:46 |
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| _inte_ | i have jolla-ca-0.5-10.4.1.jolla.noarch installed | 07:46 |
| Coolgeek | reinstall it I think | 07:46 |
| Coolgeek | I have SFOS 1.1.6.27 | 07:47 |
| _inte_ | cool worked for me | 07:48 |
| _inte_ | im on 1.1.7.27 | 07:48 |
| _inte_ | now the certs are back there | 07:49 |
| Coolgeek | cool | 07:49 |
| _inte_ | doesnt fix the pkcon error, though | 07:49 |
| _inte_ | thanks anyways | 07:49 |
| _inte_ | btw is it normal i always get a missing key message when installing any package through zypper | 07:50 |
| _inte_ | like | 07:50 |
| _inte_ | warning: /var/cache/zypp/packages/jolla/non-oss/noarch/jolla-ca-0.5-10.4.1.jolla.noarch.rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID f2633ee0: NOKEY | 07:50 |
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| stephg | everyone still loves zypper don't they :) | 07:53 |
| _inte_ | jey | 07:53 |
| _inte_ | especially since zypper still works but pkcon doesnt | 07:54 |
| stephg | how on earth have you broken pkcon | 07:54 |
| _inte_ | .oO(and I always thought zypper was rather a frontend to pkcon..) | 07:54 |
| _inte_ | i have no clue | 07:54 |
| _inte_ | but i am not alone :) | 07:54 |
| _inte_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1479431 | 07:55 |
| _inte_ | maybe warehouse is to blame for that issue? | 07:56 |
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| _inte_ | i installed debug info for pkcon and ran gdb | 08:22 |
| _inte_ | exit code 07 | 08:22 |
| _inte_ | any clue, anyone? | 08:22 |
| Coolgeek | I don't play with the package manager | 08:22 |
| Coolgeek | only via the shop app | 08:23 |
| Coolgeek | or f-droid | 08:23 |
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| _inte_ | well yeah i would prefer not having to do that but neither of my pkcon frontends are working | 08:38 |
| _inte_ | except for zypper | 08:38 |
| _inte_ | though i understood pkcon is rather a frontend to zypper then vice versa | 08:38 |
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| Yaniel | pkcon is a frontend to packagekit IIRC | 08:41 |
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| coderus | and packagekit is running on top of libzypp | 08:53 |
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| lainwir3d | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-sales-box-accessories-update/ | 09:08 |
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| stephg | everything is a frontend to rpm. | 09:24 |
| stephg | :) | 09:24 |
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| chem|st | stephg: ehrm, just no.... | 10:09 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 10:10 |
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| Yaniel | yay, blog posts | 10:24 |
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| chem|st | Yaniel: just thought "another already!?" | 10:51 |
| tathhu | Sailors just making blog posts, tablet is delayed again because of that | 10:52 |
| tathhu | Oh whait | 10:52 |
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| pykape | tathhu: mitä sä manaat siellä? | 11:09 |
| zGrr | is it delayed again? | 11:11 |
| Yaniel | the post doesn't say... | 11:11 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | are there any news about the last update? I remember it was released to testers but I haven't seen any notification for regular users yet | 11:17 |
| leszek | Vae_DuckZ: I am not sure but I think it might be skipped | 11:18 |
| Vae_DuckZ | in favour of sf2? | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | not going to be skipped | 11:19 |
| Yaniel | 1.1.8 is skipped | 11:21 |
| Yaniel | but this latest is still 1.1.7 | 11:21 |
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| leszek | ah 1.1.8 is skipped in favor of sf2 then | 11:34 |
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| Yaniel | no, according to the devel mailing list there will be 1.1.9 | 11:37 |
| Yaniel | and sf2 is 1.2.x | 11:38 |
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| coderus | 1.1.9 is sf2 | 11:39 |
| coderus | 1.2.x will be first big update to sf2 | 11:39 |
| hardfalcon | hi everyone - is there any device more powerful (more memory, faster SoC, etc) than the jolla on which sailfish os runs well enough (comparable to an N900 with community-testing repos) to use it as main device without carrying a fallback phone? | 11:41 |
| leszek | strange counting there nevertheless hopefully sf2.0 will be great | 11:41 |
| hardfalcon | (or where SF 2.0 is expected to run well enough?) | 11:41 |
| leszek | hardfalcon: last time I carried a nexus5 with sailfioshos for a week. Worked quite good. Though I only had 2 phone calls that time | 11:42 |
| leszek | scrolling and performance is a bit slow still on the nexus 5 builds though | 11:42 |
| stephg | hardfalcon: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adaptations/libhybris | 11:42 |
| hardfalcon | oh hell, now *that* is the kind of list I was looking for - thanks stephg! :) | 11:43 |
| tathhu | pykape: en mitään :( (paitsi sitä et ostin näppiksen tabin sijasta) | 11:43 |
| hardfalcon | and thx leszek as well, of course :) | 11:43 |
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| hardfalcon | are there also devices available with a "proper" linux kernel (i.e. closer to mainline, without the whole android cruft?) | 11:50 |
| Nicd- | leszek: thanks so much for textsecure! | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | hardfalcon: i wouldn't bother, a productised device will have a android kernel and a lot of ODM modifications | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | + chipset | 11:51 |
| leszek | Nicd-: np :) | 11:52 |
| hardfalcon | darn, on my n900, I should actually be able to run more or less a vanilla kernel from kernel.org nowadays - I was hoping there was something similar available for a device with >=1GB RAM, a dualcore SoC and LTE | 11:54 |
| hardfalcon | s/LTE/4G/ | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | mainline kernel has qualcomm msm 32-bit removed, as an example | 11:54 |
| Yaniel | well that was almost 10 years ago | 11:54 |
| Yaniel | no nokia hw anymore | 11:54 |
| hardfalcon | I guess my dream device would be an asus zenfone 2 because it has an x86 CPU | 11:55 |
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| Stskeeps | and probably locked down to hell | 11:55 |
| hardfalcon | but I'm not sure how hard or easy it would be to make it boot something more reasonable than android | 11:55 |
| leszek | it is locked down | 11:56 |
| hardfalcon | :/ | 11:56 |
| leszek | so not very easy | 11:56 |
| pykape | tathhu: näppis on parempi | 11:56 |
| hardfalcon | I really don't get it why nobody has bothered yet to ship a phone running archlinux or alpine | 11:56 |
| hardfalcon | I mean, when 95% of your devices can be owned through a simple MMS, shouldn't you consider switching to a grsec kernel? | 11:57 |
| leszek | best solutions aren't the ones that win on the market | 11:58 |
| hardfalcon | I think the market is agnostic towards the quality of the solutions offered, so a good quality doesn't inherently mean you won't have success selling devices | 12:00 |
| hardfalcon | but of course it is hard to compete with container loads of industrial grade bullshit when quality is not a decisive factor to success | 12:01 |
| zGrr | what market? | 12:02 |
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| hardfalcon | the market where there are actually people buying devices with mediatek SoCs, where you don't know wheter the majority of the SDK's bug are just software bugs due to shitty code quality or wheter they are actually hardware bugs due to shitty engineering | 12:05 |
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| leszek | anyone knows a good matt foil for the jolla the one I bought from amazon somehow does not like this hot sommer and I get something like that: https://app.box.com/s/jp4nkid5t7gouimx770qvstmrn33hdvd Seems to be glue misbehaving here | 12:07 |
| leszek | though I have to say I used this foild for about a year now | 12:08 |
| mal- | how do android-software decide the language to use in sailfish? | 12:09 |
| mal- | and how to change that? | 12:09 |
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| zGrr | hardfalcon: what kind of devices are you talking about? mobile phones? tablets? devboards? | 12:10 |
| hardfalcon | mainly smartphones, but also tablets | 12:12 |
| zGrr | ok | 12:12 |
| zGrr | i don't think there is such a thing as a market for mobiles. | 12:12 |
| zGrr | people who use them have very little to say. | 12:13 |
| zGrr | people are buying what is being pushed to them bundled with contract. | 12:14 |
| zGrr | networks are the real customers. | 12:14 |
| zGrr | but they probably individually negotiate deals with manufacturers. | 12:15 |
| leszek | zGrr: depends on the market not all people around the world buy phones with contract. Me for example never bought a phone on contract | 12:15 |
| zGrr | and they definitely don't care about quality as long as they don't have too many returns or service requests. | 12:15 |
| zGrr | and i wouldn't call this market. | 12:16 |
| Nicd- | I have never bought a contract phone either. they are not really that popular here | 12:16 |
| zGrr | there is a market in some regions where people buy their handsets individually but it is heavily distorted by the giant networks in the rest of the world. | 12:17 |
| Nicd- | in the US Verizon just abandoned contracts | 12:17 |
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| zGrr | Nicd-: neither did i. but even i have big problem to convince my wife NOT to get a contract phone and switch to PAYG. | 12:18 |
| zGrr | Nicd-: you know - everybody does that kind of argument. | 12:18 |
| zGrr | most of my friends think that PAYG is for primary school pupils. | 12:20 |
| hardfalcon | leszek: which foil is that that's causing problems for you? | 12:20 |
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| Nicd- | zGrr: I don't even know what PAYG is. but it depends on the culture. in Finland contracts are not that popular | 12:21 |
| hardfalcon | though I haven't had a display foil in my whole life, if there's one company that knows its way round with glue and plastic foils, then that's probably 3M | 12:21 |
| hardfalcon | http://www.amazon.de/Vikuiti-MySunshadeDisplay-Displayschutzfolie-Hartbeschichtet-Schmutzabweisend-transparent/dp/B00HJ2Q4FC/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t/279-3072486-2496418 | 12:21 |
| zGrr | Nicd-: Pay As Yo Go - in other words: prepaid. | 12:22 |
| Nicd- | but that's the mobile contract, not the phone. I mean, you can have a normal mobile contract but buy the phone separately | 12:22 |
| leszek | hardfalcon: it was this one: http://www.amazon.de/Maoni-Anti-Fingerprint--seidenmatt-Schutzfolien-Jolla/dp/B00ILUT63I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1439554957&sr=8-2&keywords=jolla+folie | 12:23 |
| zGrr | leszek: why don't you use tempered glass screen protector? foils sucks. it is only good for resistive touchscreens. | 12:23 |
| leszek | zGrr: is there any for the Jolla ? | 12:24 |
| zGrr | leszek: probably not. I would try to get matching universal one or slightly larger and cut it to fit jolla's screen. | 12:27 |
| zGrr | unfortunately i don't own jolla mobile phone yet. | 12:27 |
| zGrr | leszek: google says, you can use glass protector for HTC One with Jolla phone. | 12:29 |
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| leszek | zGrr: lets see. The glass protectors aren't matt as far as I can see. I wanted something matt for not having so much fingerprints on the screen :P | 12:36 |
| Vae_DuckZ | Yaniel: I still have 1.1.6.27, so I'm waiting for 1.1.7 I guess | 12:38 |
| Yaniel | it's still in ea | 12:39 |
| Vae_DuckZ | ok | 12:39 |
| zGrr | leszek: fingerprints are problem with polycarbonate screen protectors not a glass ones, imo | 12:39 |
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| tathhu | pykape: eikai | 13:40 |
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| leszek | Oh damn I really made a stupid mistake in my videoPlayer. Destroying the player when PageStatus.Deactivation is run. That I intended to do to workaround gstreamer bugs but also destroys the player when changing the video quality which opens up a new page. Is there a PageStatus documentation somewhere ? I can't find it in the SDK | 14:35 |
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| leszek | Ah ok found the documentation under Pages | 14:37 |
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| leszek | I hope that gstreamer1.0 qtmultimedia integration will have lesser bugs | 14:41 |
| leszek | I am building workaround around workarounds now. :P | 14:41 |
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| leszek | ok I give up fixing that. Its impossible as it seems | 15:22 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | is the file browser app open source? I think the author has abandoned it, but there are a couple features I'd like to have | 15:24 |
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| tathhu | Vae_DuckZ: https://github.com/karip/harbour-file-browser this one? | 15:27 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | tathhu: yeah, at least judging from the icon | 15:30 |
| tathhu | Vae_DuckZ: ^^ (all them file managers. :P) | 15:30 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I don't think there's any other file browser in the store anyways | 15:30 |
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| leszek | Vae_DuckZ: there is cargodock | 15:31 |
| Vae_DuckZ | leszek: ah true | 15:32 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | so, if any of you is bored and wants to add bluetooth send file, tar/untar, zip/unzip etc to filebrowser, that would be really appreciated :) | 15:33 |
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| _inte_ | what about rcse | 15:39 |
| _inte_ | my provider offers an app for wifi calls now | 15:39 |
| _inte_ | android of course | 15:39 |
| _inte_ | is there any way to get the working on jolla? | 15:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | As a start, you'd want to find out if it could be used on rooted devices | 15:44 |
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| _inte_ | SpeedEvil: Working on it | 16:29 |
| _inte_ | i installed the app through apk downloader | 16:29 |
| _inte_ | however, rcse is not yet enabled on my mobile contract so i cant test it yet | 16:29 |
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| _inte_ | according to https://android-rcs-ims-stack.googlecode.com/svn/doc/tutorial/RCSe_Stack_Wiki_ed1.1.pdf, the accounts are verifyed by the simcard imsi | 16:31 |
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| _inte_ | i installed the simcard reader app for android according to: https://together.jolla.com/question/38626/bug-sim-card-information-not-detected-on-android-apps/ | 16:32 |
| _inte_ | the imsi can be read by aliendalvik | 16:32 |
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| _inte_ | therefore i remain confident to be able to use the service once it become available for my contract :) | 16:32 |
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| Aciid | if someone figures out how apk downloader algo works for google play pls share | 17:03 |
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| leszek | Aciid: I think here is the sourcecode that might help: https://github.com/Lekensteyn/apk-downloader | 17:14 |
| Aciid | oh oh | 17:20 |
| Aciid | thank! | 17:20 |
| Aciid | leszek: ty | 17:20 |
| Aciid | leszek: heh the crx doesnt work in chrome anymore | 17:33 |
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| _inte_ | apkpure.com might help you out in the meantime | 17:49 |
| _inte_ | or http://apkpure.com/region-free-apk-download if you need a certain region | 17:51 |
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| Aciid | _inte_: i recompiled it and uploaded to google webstore | 18:40 |
| Aciid | :3 | 18:40 |
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| leszek | btw. updated my videoPlayer and fixed that destroying videoplayer on youtube quality or details page switch. | 19:00 |
| Aciid | https://clients2.googleusercontent.com/crx/blobs/QgAAAC6zw0qH2DJtnXe8Z7rUJP19VYZY9MSXh2z3gdGPbKPDVaZsJ903A-jH2KTnpTvlqiEkZwSb9R27HsImygVFYqkPDWC9cfjFkFZHI-EzuUwOAMZSmuVk-iqp4jCwMlPQntahCpXgwIaD4g/hadahnongpifeicdbjcikjbjcfmgiilk_main.crx | 19:03 |
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| Aciid | enjoy it while it lasts | 19:03 |
| Aciid | Lekensteyn apk-downloader published via web store | 19:03 |
| Aciid | can be installed to chrome via settings->extensions | 19:03 |
| leszek | I also managed somehow to be awesome accidentally and fixed the source switch hang by just giving an empty source to the player and force play that and stop the player again before destroying the page component (using now component.onDestruction) | 19:04 |
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| coderus | why not use evozi?.. | 20:14 |
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| Zucca | I havent found a way to take screenshot in SailfishOS. Do I need an external/3rd party program for that or does the OS provide screenshot functionaly by itself? | 20:22 |
| tathhu | Yes, try screentapshot | 20:22 |
| coderus | you need app | 20:22 |
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| coderus | system have dbus call, but no shortcut/etc. | 20:22 |
| Zucca | Ok. Thanks. :) | 20:23 |
| coderus | if you have TOHOLED or TOHKBD you can make screenshots easily :) | 20:24 |
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| Zucca | coderus: I have just istalled SailfishOS on Nexus 5. :( No TOHKBD for this. :( | 20:25 |
| Zucca | The app will do. | 20:25 |
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| Zucca | I nearly made mittens for myself from my cat's fur as she pushed an entire shelf on my Nexus 7. I had SailfishOS installed there too. 7" is just perfect for me as it fit's most of my jackets pockets. :( | 20:29 |
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| Aciid | coderus: evozi apk signaturemismatch we did a test | 20:38 |
| Aciid | never trust 3rd party | 20:38 |
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| coderus | never had issues with evozi, so no, thanks. and i myself have google services installed because i don't care. | 21:23 |
| Aciid | google services on jolla? | 21:24 |
| Aciid | how does that work | 21:24 |
| coderus | what you mean by how? it just works. | 21:24 |
| Aciid | just by installing the apk? | 21:24 |
| coderus | you install google services and play store, play store updating all packages to actual verisons. | 21:24 |
| Aciid | where do I get this godly package | 21:25 |
| coderus | https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/ | 21:25 |
| Aciid | thanks | 21:25 |
| Aciid | do paid apps work? | 21:25 |
| Aciid | like I have the same google account, does my jolla identify itself as some android 4.x phone? | 21:25 |
| Aciid | so I could download those | 21:25 |
| coderus | if you have questions about jolla/sailfish first search on tjc. it should contain an answer. | 21:26 |
| coderus | yes it works. | 21:26 |
| coderus | read this article | 21:26 |
| coderus | it described everything. | 21:26 |
| Aciid | i will | 21:27 |
| Aciid | thanks | 21:27 |
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| Funkeh` | does anyone know what device sailfish reports itself as to android apps? I know it reports android 4.1.2 but was unsure as to what the device was, or how I can check | 23:42 |
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| Aciid | Funkeh`: last time i connected to google services it was galaxy s4 | 23:48 |
| Aciid | iirc | 23:48 |
| Funkeh` | do you remember how you checked? | 23:49 |
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