#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 6th May 2021

Meeting started by sledges at 07:00:00 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

    1. Meeting information and agenda can be found here: (sledges, 07:00:07)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-6th-may-2021/5985 (sledges, 07:00:12)

  2. Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (sledges, 07:00:31)
    1. Simonas Leleiva -- privateer for Jolla (sledges, 07:00:46)
    2. Ville Nummela - Sailor @ Jolla (ViGe, 07:00:47)
    3. Nico, community (Nico[m], 07:01:04)
    4. Björn Bidar - Sailor @ Jolla (Thaodan, 07:01:30)
    5. Joona Petrell, sailor (jpetrell, 07:01:33)
    6. Damien Caliste, community (dcaliste, 07:01:40)
    7. Otto Mäkelä, community (ExTechOp, 07:02:20)
    8. Lukáš Karas - community developer (karry, 07:03:03)
    9. Pami Ketolainen - Sailor @ Jolla (pketo, 07:03:12)
    10. David Llewellyn-Jones - Sailor @ Jolla (flypig, 07:03:12)
    11. Andrew Branson - sailing by (abranson, 07:05:10)
    12. Ruben De Smet - voting for community (rubdos[ma], 07:05:43)
    13. Vesa-Matti Hartikainen, Sailor @ Jolla (veskuh, 07:05:51)

  3. Legality of distribution of /system and /vendor images for Sony OpenDevices (10 min -- asked by rinigus) (sledges, 07:06:19)
    1. <rinigus> In the build guide for Xperia 10II, there is a phrase regarding distribution of binaries: (sledges, 07:06:30)
    2. <rinigus> Please do not commit the binaries nor push them to a public repo, (sledges, 07:07:01)
    3. <rinigus> because the license has not been determined, (sledges, 07:07:09)
    4. <rinigus> thus they have to be built manually (sledges, 07:07:17)
    5. <rinigus> Legality of distribution of /system and /vendor was also questioned by @sledges in the recent Community meeting (at 07:42:50) (sledges, 07:07:24)
    6. https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2021/sailfishos-meeting.2021-04-22-06.59.log.html (sledges, 07:07:28)
    7. <rinigus> In my understanding, it is legal to distribute AOSP bits as they are built from open source projects and, in the case of Sony OpenDevices, there are separate OEM binaries that are distributed exclusively via Sony. (sledges, 07:07:32)
    8. <rinigus> So, to resolve the mystery around distribution and make conditions clear, let me approach the topic from another angle. (sledges, 07:07:43)
    9. <rinigus> Namely, I would expect that the same limitations in distribution of binaries that include /system and /vendor partition should apply to us, community members, as well as Jolla. (sledges, 07:07:54)
    10. <rinigus> Hence the question: On which legal grounds does Jolla distribute builds of Sony Xperia devices within its Sailfish X program? (sledges, 07:08:06)
    11. <rinigus> Jolla has a site from which we can download such binaries as well as provide them via RPMs downloadable on devices as a part of updates (mentioned in the same meeting and available via log linked above). From that, I conclude that legal aspects were studied and resolved. Please share that with the community, so we would not be confused about the status of the distribution. (sledges, 07:08:16)
    12. <Jolla> All Sony-related software distributed by Jolla is free and open-source software built from sources. Proprietary parts are downloaded from Sony website. (sledges, 07:08:48)
    13. piggz, community porter/dev/lurker (piggz, 07:09:10)
    14. Santhosh Manikandan Community (santhoshm, 07:09:52)
    15. https://source.android.com/devices/bootloader/partitions/odm-partitions (Thaodan, 07:11:04)
    16. https://source.android.com/devices/bootloader/partitions/odm-partitions could be useful to link for the current situation since blobs should end up there for native Android 10 ports (Thaodan, 07:13:33)

  4. Reusing Sailfish icons (10 min -- asked by poetaster) (sledges, 07:17:20)
    1. <poetaster> Apps often need very specific icons that are not readily available from the system (although the existing collection is pretty great). Most could easily be created by building on existing icons, though. For launcher icons, there is (was?) the “icon template” and “icon library” under CC-BY-3.0 (sledges, 07:17:53)
    2. https://www.jollausers.com/2014/01/sailfish-os-application-icon-story/ (sledges, 07:17:59)
    3. <poetaster> Can Jolla please consider releasing the other icons in a reusable fashion too (say, CC-BY-xx together with vector (SVG) sources for best reusability)? This would make beautifully integrated app development and design much easier. (sledges, 07:18:03)
    4. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/license-of-system-icons-can-we-reuse-them/5975/2 (sledges, 07:19:49)
    5. <Jolla> Publishing the icons is sensible request, but we need to look licensing of the asset holistically. Making any changes is something we carefully asses and therefore we cannot promise any quick progress. (sledges, 07:19:59)

  5. General discussion (15 min) (sledges, 07:22:15)
    1. https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/secret-storage-spec/secrets-api-0.1.html (Thaodan, 07:26:11)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/migrating-sailfish-os-git-repos-to-github/6141 (sledges, 07:30:42)
    3. https://api.github.com/orgs/sailfishos/events (sledges, 07:43:12)
    4. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-6th-may/6130 (sledges, 07:44:25)

  6. Next meeting time and date (5 min) (sledges, 07:46:05)
    1. Next meeting will be held on Thursday 20th May 2021 at 7:00am UTC: 2021-05-20T07Z (sledges, 07:47:49)


Meeting ended at 07:48:06 UTC (full logs).

Action items

  1. (none)


People present (lines said)

  1. sledges (60)
  2. Nico[m] (26)
  3. Thaodan (12)
  4. jpetrell (10)
  5. dcaliste (10)
  6. flypig (8)
  7. rinigus (8)
  8. lbt_ (8)
  9. ExTechOp (7)
  10. rubdos[ma] (5)
  11. sailbot (2)
  12. pketo (2)
  13. ViGe (1)
  14. karry (1)
  15. abranson (1)
  16. veskuh (1)
  17. piggz (1)
  18. santhoshm (1)


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