| ExTechOp | (someone should update the /topic) | 07:26 |
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| pherjung[m] | I wonder if this isn't the bot's job | 07:45 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, let's fix it up after the meeting | 07:58 |
| ExTechOp | Anyhow, Good Morning everyone! | 07:58 |
| rainemak | Good morning! | 07:58 |
| pherjung[m] | Good morning! | 07:58 |
| flypig | Morning! | 07:59 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd Nov 2023 | 08:00 |
| sailbot_ | Meeting started Thu Nov 23 08:00:30 2023 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| sailbot_ | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-23rd-november-2023/17342 | 08:00 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today | 08:00 |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 08:00 |
| pherjung[m] | #info pherjung, community | 08:01 |
| flypig | #info David Llewellyn-Jones, community | 08:02 |
| poetaster | #info poetaster, community | 08:04 |
| poetaster | morning! | 08:05 |
| rainemak | morning | 08:05 |
| rainemak | JIT :-) | 08:05 |
| poetaster | (middlename). | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #topic WebView + PullDownMenu (10mins -- asked by pherjung) | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> To improve harbour-hydrogen these days, we tried to include | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> a pulley menu 1 to access settings and other pages. Unfortunately, | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> we found that this feature breaks scrolling. As soon as you scroll | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> up, you have to scroll down to scroll within the WebView. On the | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> other hand, you’ll be able to trigger the pulley menu. | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> We found out that there is a pulley menu on the Jolla email and this | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> bug is not there. I’ve tried to understand the differences between | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> harbour-hydrogen and Jolla email, but haven’t found the solution. | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> What was done in Jolla Email to make scrolling within a WebView with | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> a pulley menu work? | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/hydrogen-sailfishos/sfos-hydrogen/commit/1578413d114597abf983711dc007c99e30d3f3cc | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #link https://openrepos.net/content/markkyboy/patch-returns-pulley-menu-email-view | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/hydrogen-sailfishos/sfos-hydrogen/tree/hackathon | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Thank you for this question. This is very interesting one. | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> When we removed pulley menus (plural) from the Jolla email we had | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> a challenge on combining Flickable and Gecko based WebView. Reason | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> for the Flickable is that PulleyMenu requires Flickable to work. | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> The challenge comes from the fact that there are two viewports | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> that should be moving within the same coordinate system simultaneously. | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Bottom viewport is the WebView one and on top of it we have Flickable. | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> They should have contentLength that equal to the content length of the | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> web content. For both, viewport size is roughly the screen resolution | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> (minus header and footer) whereas content length usually is much more. | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> This caused html content drifting whilst opening the PullDownMenu as | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> events are/were also delivered to the web content i.e. causing parallax effect. | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> We’re pretty sure that problem has not yet disappeared. | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> The patch that you’re referring does not fix contentHeight rather having | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> contentHeight fixed to screen height – like it used to. Thus, it is not | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> hiding pulley indicator properly and doesn’t work if you’d have both | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> PullDownMenu and PushUpMenu declared. It is a coincident that the patch works | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> at the first place. | 08:06 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/hydrogen-sailfishos/sfos-hydrogen/commit/1578413d114597abf983711dc007c99e30d3f3cc | 08:07 |
| rainemak | #link https://openrepos.net/content/markkyboy/patch-returns-pulley-menu-email-view | 08:07 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/hydrogen-sailfishos/sfos-hydrogen/tree/hackathon | 08:07 |
| rainemak | Those were already above. | 08:08 |
| rainemak | I'll give a moment to digest reply | 08:08 |
| rainemak | I might be able to further clarify PulleyMenu & WebView combo if there's something to clarify. | 08:09 |
| flypig | So, this means there is currently no official/clean way to combine a WebView and a PulleyMenu? | 08:09 |
| rainemak | That's correct | 08:10 |
| pherjung[m] | :( | 08:10 |
| pherjung[m] | We will see if it's reasonable to keep the pulley-menu. As it triggered the text selection too | 08:10 |
| rainemak | flypig, you may remember that parallax effect ? | 08:10 |
| rainemak | pherjung[m], yes noticed that long press event as well | 08:10 |
| pherjung[m] | It's not necessarily a bug-free feature | 08:10 |
| flypig | Yes, I do rainemak, and I remember this being a big question during the redesign of the email app. | 08:11 |
| pherjung[m] | but we already have a hint, let's try it | 08:11 |
| poetaster | I remember remvoving pulleys from mormahjong since they caused issues. | 08:11 |
| flypig | It's a shame, but nice answer, very comprehensive. | 08:11 |
| pherjung[m] | Is it possible to disable the text selection? | 08:11 |
| pherjung[m] | I saw a property, but defined as readonly | 08:11 |
| pherjung[m] | not sure what that exactly mean | 08:12 |
| rainemak | pherjung[m], it might be possible to avoid text selection by binding pulley menu active property to the webview's enabled | 08:12 |
| pherjung[m] | good to now. Could you attach your answer too? | 08:12 |
| dcaliste | #info Damien Caliste, community | 08:12 |
| dcaliste | Sorry to be late. | 08:12 |
| rainemak | #info It might be possible to avoid text selection by binding pulley menu active property to the webview's enabled | 08:15 |
| rainemak | Let's move on | 08:15 |
| flypig | So the idea is that the WebView will be disabled as soon as the pulley menu becomes active. | 08:15 |
| rainemak | correct | 08:15 |
| flypig | Neat. | 08:15 |
| rainemak | just came to my mind but no idea whether it works properly | 08:16 |
| flypig | This is why these meetings are so great :) | 08:16 |
| rainemak | usually you'd trigger touch cancel as well so that all the previous events would be flushed away | 08:17 |
| rainemak | but I bet that touch cancel wouldn't make any difference with WebVewi | 08:17 |
| rainemak | WebView | 08:17 |
| rainemak | #topic Sailfish OS at FOSDEM’24 (5mins -- asked by flypig) | 08:18 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> Some details about the topic: FOSDEM’24 will take place on 3-4 February 2024. | 08:18 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> Sailfish OS will be represented on the “Linux on Mobile” stand. However, as | 08:18 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> I won’t be able to present on the stand the whole time, if anyone else is | 08:18 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> planning to attend and would like to help for a bit, please get in touch. | 08:18 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> Last year it was a blast on the stand! | 08:18 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> FOSDEM’24: FOSDEM 2024 - Home | 08:18 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> Stands: FOSDEM 2024 - Accepted stands for FOSDEM 2024 | 08:18 |
| rainemak | #link https://fosdem.org/2024/ | 08:18 |
| rainemak | #link https://fosdem.org/2024/news/2023-11-20-accepted-stands-fosdem-2024/ | 08:18 |
| rainemak | #info As you flypig noted, a very late meeting topic submission. Added to the agenda regardless. | 08:19 |
| rainemak | #info I'll ask around to understand who's going. | 08:19 |
| flypig | Sorry for the late entry, and thanks for including it! And if you could ask around, that would be really great. | 08:19 |
| flypig | And if anyone from the community is thinking of coming and would like to help, you are welcome too. | 08:19 |
| poetaster | Glad you'll be there representing! I wish I could, but cannot, attend. | 08:21 |
| flypig | I'm sad to hear that poetaster, I'd have enjoyed meeting up again. | 08:22 |
| poetaster | Child rearing, winter school holidays. | 08:22 |
| poetaster | Otherwise, I'd be there. | 08:23 |
| flypig | You're putting your children ahead of FOSDEM? ;) | 08:23 |
| rainemak | Do we need to reserve an extra minute or two for this? | 08:23 |
| flypig | I just want to get the word out really, so happy to move on personally. | 08:23 |
| rainemak | poetaster, anything to add? | 08:24 |
| rainemak | I guess not | 08:24 |
| rainemak | #topic Open PR discussion (10 mins -- asked by jolla) | 08:24 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Any open PRs to discuss? | 08:24 |
| poetaster | nope, sorry. | 08:25 |
| rainemak | no problem | 08:25 |
| pherjung[m] | Not exactly PR, but could be possible to update Sailfish-Utilities? | 08:25 |
| pherjung[m] | there are merger PR not included in the Jolla-Store | 08:25 |
| rainemak | pherjung[m], ah. let's give a look | 08:25 |
| flypig | pherjung[m], out of interest, what do the the changes do? | 08:26 |
| rainemak | pherjung[m], nb now-a-days sailfish-utilities is part of images as well | 08:26 |
| pherjung[m] | Include keyboard restart again | 08:26 |
| pherjung[m] | rainemak: Oh, I see now | 08:27 |
| flypig | Thanks pherjung[m]! | 08:27 |
| rainemak | Thanks pherjung[m] | 08:28 |
| rainemak | moving on to the bug reports | 08:28 |
| rainemak | #topic Bug reports (5 min -- asked by pherjung) | 08:29 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> Bug reports | 08:29 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-23rd-november-2023/17342/2 | 08:29 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> As always, the Community Bug Coordination Team have done a superb job. | 08:29 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> As a result of their work, we now have: | 08:29 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> 4 high quality bug reports now recorded internally and tagged as "tracked" | 08:29 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> 2 bug reports flagged with needinfo | 08:29 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> 1 bug report under investigation | 08:29 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> 5 bugs were closed. | 08:30 |
| rainemak | pherjung[m] pointed out one related issue this morning that was marked as tracked as well | 08:30 |
| pherjung[m] | BTW, thanks to thilo | 08:30 |
| rainemak | thanks to the whole bug coordination team | 08:31 |
| flypig | +1 to that! | 08:31 |
| pherjung[m] | let's move on? | 08:35 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (5 min) | 08:35 |
| rainemak | done :) | 08:35 |
| rainemak | I'll continue a bit with the WebView and Pulley | 08:36 |
| rainemak | quickly checked that qtmozembed doesn't handle touch cancel by any means | 08:36 |
| pherjung[m] | great! | 08:36 |
| rainemak | so you can ignore that | 08:36 |
| poetaster | ah. sad. | 08:36 |
| rainemak | in cases like... display on, fingers on the screen then press power button to turn display off => we trigger touch cancel to flush the touch | 08:37 |
| pherjung[m] | rainemak: If you find something interesting, not sure where is the best place to share it. Perhaps the related issue https://github.com/hydrogen-sailfishos/sfos-hydrogen/issues/18 ? | 08:37 |
| rainemak | pherjung[m], I'll comment there is something pops to my mind | 08:38 |
| rainemak | there if | 08:38 |
| rainemak | I logged some new items to the https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/issues | 08:39 |
| flypig | Thanks for that rainemak! I started up looking at these issues now so will start picking them off. | 08:40 |
| rainemak | assigned one for myself as well but haven't really proceed with that yet | 08:41 |
| flypig | The Session History bug? | 08:41 |
| rainemak | that one | 08:41 |
| rainemak | I could try to help with embedlite-components errors? How does that sound like? | 08:42 |
| flypig | Yeah, that would be really great, thank you! | 08:42 |
| ExTechOp | I am currently using a Sony Xperia 10III, and there are two issues that really need resolving: missing echo cancellation and camera support. Is there any work being done on these? | 08:42 |
| rainemak | camera2 support is here https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/camera2-api-development/14491/ | 08:43 |
| rainemak | #info Two issues on Sony xperia 10 III that really need resolving: missing echo cancellation and camera support. Is there any work being done on these? | 08:44 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/camera2-api-development/14491/ | 08:44 |
| rainemak | #info As far as I understand, echo cancellation issue is on the Sony blobs | 08:44 |
| rainemak | As a note to myself, I'll check whether I could help somehow Whisperfish developers with rust update issues | 08:48 |
| flypig | It's a real shame about the echo cancellation. The blobs are not open? | 08:48 |
| rainemak | nope, those are not open | 08:48 |
| ExTechOp | I've resorted to making any important calls using a headset (which does have other benefits), but that of course is a bit clumsy | 08:49 |
| flypig | I agree ExTechOp, a headset is the best solution right now. | 08:49 |
| rainemak | what happened | 08:50 |
| pherjung | strange, I don't see any new message on matrix | 08:51 |
| ExTechOp | What does "the blobs are not open" mean in this context, there is some bug there that prevents using them successfully? | 08:51 |
| rainemak | open as open source | 08:51 |
| pherjung | poetaster: had you the time yesterdey to test QML Live? | 08:52 |
| ExTechOp | But I mean, Jolla has very successfully used other binary blobs to talk to the phone hardware, is the API for using the echo cancellation somehow unusable or what? | 08:52 |
| rainemak | those are device specific | 08:52 |
| rainemak | and there's bug in the blob | 08:52 |
| flypig | Maybe it's also worth clarifying that Sony provide different blobs for their factory install compared to those for the Open Devices Programme. | 08:52 |
| rainemak | flypig, thanks | 08:53 |
| rainemak | I guess we can move on. | 08:54 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, noted those two issues down to the minutes as well | 08:54 |
| rainemak | and those are known issues | 08:54 |
| pherjung | Is the bridge between IRC and matrix broken? | 08:55 |
| rainemak | I guess it died | 08:55 |
| flypig | Oh, there are more messages on Matrix?! | 08:55 |
| pherjung | exactly | 08:55 |
| poetaster | pherjung, sorry, not yet. I'll git it a go later today | 08:55 |
| pherjung | no hurry | 08:55 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (5 min) | 08:55 |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 7th December at 07:00am UTC. | 08:55 |
| ExTechOp | I there anything that can be told about Jolla's future right now? If not, is there a meta-date when more information will be revealed? | 08:56 |
| ExTechOp | Proposed date works4me. | 08:57 |
| flypig | +1 works4me | 08:57 |
| poetaster | +1 works for me. | 08:57 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, communicated here https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/re-organisation-of-jolla-company/17133/17 | 08:58 |
| dcaliste | Ok for me too. | 08:58 |
| pherjung | +1 | 08:58 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 7th December 2023 at 07:00am UTC: 2023-12-07T0700Z | 08:58 |
| ExTechOp | rainemak Thanks. | 08:58 |
| rainemak | Thank you everyone for the meeting! | 08:58 |
| flypig | Thanks rainemak, everyone! | 08:58 |
| ExTechOp | Thank you everyone! | 08:58 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 08:58 |
| sailbot_ | Meeting ended Thu Nov 23 08:58:48 2023 UTC. | 08:58 |
| sailbot_ | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2023/sailfishos-meeting.2023-11-23-08.00.html | 08:58 |
| sailbot_ | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2023/sailfishos-meeting.2023-11-23-08.00.txt | 08:58 |
| sailbot_ | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2023/sailfishos-meeting.2023-11-23-08.00.log.html | 08:58 |
| flypig | Impressively tight meeting timing! | 08:59 |
| poetaster | :) | 09:00 |
| Keto | rainemak: was the 7 am UTC intentional? | 09:00 |
| *** ChanServ changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on Thursday 7th December 2023 at 07:00am UTC. Topics can be made/read here: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-7th-december-2023/17429" | 09:02 | |
| rainemak | Keto, maybe it was again copy-paste from the winter time change | 09:04 |
| rainemak | :-) | 09:04 |
| *** ChanServ changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on Thursday 7th December 2023 at 08:00am UTC. Topics can be made/read here: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-7th-december-2023/17429" | 09:04 | |
| Keto | that's what I thought :) | 09:04 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, flypig poetaster flypig ^ 08:00 am UTC | 09:05 |
| poetaster | Hm. What's that in GMT? | 09:05 |
| poetaster | (duck. run.) | 09:05 |
| rainemak | forum has correct 08:00 | 09:06 |
| rainemak | poetaster, same time as now | 09:06 |
| flypig | Noted! Thanks rainemak! | 09:06 |
| rainemak | Keto, my notes are now fixed for the next meeting so that I don't repeat 07:00 AM issue :-) | 09:08 |
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